linguistic singularity

[buro...@yahoo.co.uk]

coi

singularity is the development of subject along the ages from the
beginning in the past to the end development in the future

so, the language like others subjects finish at lojban, but we should
know that some fields of the past add something diffrent and we can
not do without it.

so, now I can suggest one of little -books- be nice for intrested

Course in General Linguistics
Ferdinand de Saussure
Edited by Charles Bally and Albert Sechehaye
In collaboration with Albert Riedlinger
Translated, with an introduction
and notes by Wade Baskin

although it basics but I think it is the first step to go toward to be
savant, and may the person be fluent but not have the basics that
lake.

co'o
mu'ymyd,nuR byruk

[Jonathan Jones]

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[gleki]

I suggest other books for personal development.

The Ithkuil Grammar

"Metaphors We Live By" George Lakoff and Mark Johnson.

[ianek]

قل لي، لماذا لا تريد أن تكتب في لغتك الأم؟ لا أستطيع أن أفهم.
mu'o mi'e ianek

On 22 Cze, 10:51, "buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk" <buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[buro...@yahoo.co.uk]

coi

jonathan: some subjects has special trance you can't ignore.

ianek: here I wrote in simple words you can repeate reading many time
to understand.

gleki: the links which you suggested is covered by lojban just, but
there few books add something different whatever its title.

thanks

ki'es,di'es,nanmus

[Jonathan Jones]

I ignore you because I can't understand you. We've told you multiple times, stop posting in your fail-English. Use your natural language or Lojban so we can actually understand you.

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[gleki]

Sorry but this time I can't understand you.

xu do ka'e troci lo nu ciksi bau lo jbobau

thanks

ki'es,di'es,nanmus

[Muhammad Na'el]

+ianek, on a completely different note (!), is that your Arabic or a translator's?

thanks

ki'es,di'es,nanmus

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[Muhammad Na'el]

+ianek, on a completely different note (!), is that your Arabic or a translator's?

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[Escape Landsome]

>> jonathan: some subjects has special trance you can't ignore.

= Some of the studied topics have received some great attention, and
you can't ignore this.

>> ianek: here I wrote in simple words you can repeate reading many time
>> to understand.

= Here I made an effort to write in plain simple word, so you don't
have to try reading numerous times and still not understand me.

>> gleki: the links which you suggested is covered by lojban just, but
>> there few books add something different whatever its title.

= The topics you suggested with your references concern lojban only,
but there are also a few books that concern also other topics of
interest.

[gleki]

uasai doi la'oi Escape do ka'e fanva fo lo norprane glibau fi lo xamgu glibau

[gleki]

On Monday, June 25, 2012 3:23:57 PM UTC+4, buro...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

= The topics you suggested with your references concern lojban only, 
but there are also a few books that concern also other topics of 

interest. 

 I suggest other books for personal development.

The Ithkuil Grammar

"Metaphors We Live By" George Lakoff and Mark Johnson.

They don't cover lojban at all.

Ithkuil is a complicated constructed language not as well thought out as lojban but still worth reading.

Metaphors are very interesting topic. Lojban actually mostly lacks metaphors. I wish we created more of them. G. Lakoff's book is now a classic.

thanks

ki'es,di'es,nanmus

[John E Clifford]

The problem with Lojban metaphors (in the real meaning of the term) is that any time someone suggests ones, someone else points out (usually correctly) that it doesn't work for speakers of some other language, which has a different metaphor tradition.  Metaphors rely heavily on culture and Lojban doesn't have one to fall back on, alas.

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[ianek]

Google Translate u'isai

On 25 Cze, 17:07, "Muhammad Na'el" <muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +ianek, on a completely different note (!), is that *your* Arabic or a

[vitci'i]

Perhaps ey can't understand us telling him that due to eir failure of
English.

.i doi la .burokmat. e'o ko se bangu lo jbobau a lo verclibau be do

On 06/25/2012 06:34 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I ignore you because I can't *understand* you. We've told you multiple

[Jonathan Jones]

We've told him in Lojban, and I'm pretty sure in Arabic, too.

[gleki]

On Monday, June 25, 2012 11:46:34 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:

The problem with Lojban metaphors (in the real meaning of the term) is that any time someone suggests ones, someone else points out (usually correctly) that it doesn't work for speakers of some other language, which has a different metaphor tradition.  Metaphors rely heavily on culture and Lojban doesn't have one to fall back on, alas.

Which doesn't refute the need in creating them. Often producing a loan translation of some metaphor from any natlang helps understand why it doesn't work in lojban and what flaws in logic and semantics underly this metaphor.

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[MorphemeAddict]

It's harder than it looks:

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:20 PM, vitci'i <celestial...@gmail.com> wrote:

Perhaps ey can't understand us telling him that due to eir failure of
English.

... telling EM that due...

stevo 

[la gleki]

And strangely enough some metaphors are even embedded into gismu definitions, e.g.

solji - x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of gold (Au); [metaphor: valuable, heavy, non-reactive].

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[Michael Turniansky]

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