We need more new words for umami taste, menthol taste and piquancy

[gleki]

Umami is considered as one of five tastes now. To be fair it deserves gismu, but I'll be humble. Fu'ivla will be fine for me.

It's called umami (at least in English, Spanish and Russian)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami 

Also taste has such features as chemesthesis which includes menthol taste and piquancy.

What are your suggestions?

[gleki]

I suggest optionally replacing existing gismu for tastes with more meaningful terms.

source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste

?                   ka silna -salty

titla                ka sakta - sweet

slari               ka slami - sour

kurki              ka cakla - bitter

                     la'oi umami / ka rectu - umami

                     se kurtsapi / ka mernta - minty/fresh

                     ka tcati - dry

                     ka grasu - fatty

                     ka xalka - kokumi (alcohol included, so non-neutral)

                     ??? - numbness taste

                     ka cpina - spicy

[ianek]

{ka broda} cannot mean "salty" etc. "ti ka silna" means "this is a property of being salt", not "this is salty". You could make lujvo like {silnyvu'i} etc. Replacing gismu by lujvo is also possible, but then I guess you want to use more meaningful terms for other things too, like {fetre'a} instead of {ninmu} and {nalma'u} instead of {verba} and {nalma'ufetre'a} instead of {nixli} and maybe even {cmuvla} instead of {gismu}...

mu'o mi'e ianek

[Jacob Errington]

Exactly. [ka broda] really doesn't have that much to do with "-ness" at all, by itself. What [ka broda] means exactly, really depends on the selbri relating it.

[xy. silnyselvu'i] -> [xy. silna se vrusi] -> [xy. se vrusi lo ka silna] -> [lo ka silna cu vrusi xy.] "X tastes salty/like salt."

From what I gather about [ka] and the way it's used, it makes a secondary claim. In this case, the secondary claim is that [xy] *is* a silna1, in a way. In particular, it's silna1 such that it *tastes* like silna1 tastes, i.e. salty.

Making up gismu isn't done lightly, and making up zi'evla/fu'ivla for things that have short lujvo equivalents is a "waste" (hardly, considering zi'evla-space is unlimited) of zi'evla-space.

All in all, [broda se vrusi] produces a [x1 tastes like <lo broda>] type of selbri; I'd say that's the best solution, when such a broda exists. Otherwise, we have to resort to fu'ivla.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

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[gleki]

Well, then how should I say

"This taste like of a salt"?

On Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:55:37 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:

Exactly. [ka broda] really doesn't have that much to do with "-ness" at all, by itself. What [ka broda] means exactly, really depends on the selbri relating it.

[xy. silnyselvu'i] -> [xy. silna se vrusi] -> [xy. se vrusi lo ka silna] -> [lo ka silna cu vrusi xy.] "X tastes salty/like salt."

From what I gather about [ka] and the way it's used, it makes a secondary claim. In this case, the secondary claim is that [xy] *is* a silna1, in a way. In particular, it's silna1 such that it *tastes* like silna1 tastes, i.e. salty.

Making up gismu isn't done lightly, and making up zi'evla/fu'ivla for things that have short lujvo equivalents is a "waste" (hardly, considering zi'evla-space is unlimited) of zi'evla-space.

I don't think there is any need of creating gismu/zi'evla/lujvo until scientists determine the true natural system of tastes. 

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[gleki]

Well, at least I humbly translated all tastes into lojban. Now we can develop it further into a physiology textbook vau zo'o