Big baby words list
Robin Lee Powell
I have not looked to see which of these are covered already; these
are lists I wrote while I was sleep deprived in the hospital:
hug
hiccup
blanket
Cute
Yawn
Suck
ceiling
burp
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Arnt Richard Johansen
>
> I have not looked to see which of these are covered already; these
> are lists I wrote while I was sleep deprived in the hospital:
>
> hug
xadjai
> hiccup
Drawing a blank on this one, sorry.
> blanket
boxfo (or bukpu)
> Cute
You must have been sleep deprived, I think we use “citmle” on IRC all the time :-)
> Yawn
moltenva'u, ta'urva'u
> Suck
One would think this is “sakci”, but the proper word for a human x1 seems to be “sakcpu”.
> ceiling
“drudi” might be specific enough.
> burp
“kafke”, or “befkafke” if you need to be specific.
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Pierre Abbat
> I have not looked to see which of these are covered already; these
> are lists I wrote while I was sleep deprived in the hospital:
>
> hug
pamjai
> hiccup
ipkota
> blanket
ckagai
> Cute
citmle
> Yawn
moltenva'u, ta'irva'u
> Suck
sakcpu. Don't confuse "sakci" with "sacki". Putting one of the latter, lit, in
a bottle, with a shelled hard-boiled egg on the mouth, results in the former.
> ceiling
tolyloi
> burp
befkafke; befkafkygau
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Arnt Richard Johansen
> On Wednesday 02 November 2011 03:12:58 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>
>
> ipkota
That is a coining of yours, right? I like it. What's the etymology? Any suggestion for place structure? I would probably make it intransitive, with x1 as the hiccup-er, to parallel with {senci}.
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Pierre Abbat
> On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 06:21:31AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > On Wednesday 02 November 2011 03:12:58 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > hiccup
> >
> > ipkota
>
> That is a coining of yours, right? I like it. What's the etymology? Any
> suggestion for place structure? I would probably make it intransitive, with
> x1 as the hiccup-er, to parallel with {senci}.
I just made it up yesterday, and sometimes metathesize it to "ikpota". It's
Spanish "hipo" combined with Russian "ikota". I'm guessing both are
imitative; es:wikt says so, but ru:wikt has an unfilled stub. I defined it as
intransitive.
The Latin word is "singultus/singulto" (n/v). The Italians still use this
word, "singhiozzo", but other Romance languages have innovated. French
is "hoquet/hips" (n/int).
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Here's what Arnt and Pierre came up with while I was sleeping. Arnt's are first because he replied first:
hug: xadjai, pamjai
hiccup: ipkota - fu'ivla from Spanish "hipo" and Russian "ikota" - "x1 hiccups/is a hiccuper"
blanket: boxfo, bukpu, ckagai
Cute: citmle
Yawn: moltenva'u, ta'irva'u, ta'urva'u
Suck: sakcpu
ceiling: drudi, tolyloi
burp: kafke, befkafke, befkafkygau
And this is from the other topics that have replies:
on one side: mlapau
cry: cmoni
eyes open: Pierre says kanri and ganlo work (referring to eyelids), Arnt says {loi kalgai cu kalri}, as to him, {lo kanla cu kalri} smacks of eye surgery.
move: tolcando (Kevin: Note that the gismu list notes for {cando} specifically call "the negation of this" as being motion without change in location.)
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Pierre Abbat
> Yawn: moltenva'u, ta'irva'u, ta'urva'u
"ta'urva'u" (to breathe clothing) looks like a typo.
Pierre
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Mark E. Shoulson
> I'm strongly against manual adding new words. Why don't use some
> algorithm similar to used in scoreGismu ?
>
> chinese 嗝 ge
> hindi Hicakī hicak
> english hiccup xikap
> spanish hipo xip
> arabic فواق [fwaq] fuak
> russian икать [ikats'] ika
>
>
along, reading my Lojban text. I come across an unfamiliar word. Gee,
whatever could this be? Oh, of course, it's a combination of the Spanish
and Russian. Or it's the native term for something. So all I need to do
to understand Lojban is to learn the (effectively a priori) gismu and
rafsi, and be able to recognize ALL THE OTHER LANGUAGES THERE ARE. These
fu'ivla are effectively a priori words like gismu, except that gismu are
fixed in number and have a fixed authoritative list. If everyone
randomly makes up words when they can't be bothered to think of a good
lujvo (which is not to say that all fu'ivla can be replaced by lujvo,
but (a) I think more of them can than is commonly claimed, and (b) even
given that I'm wrong about that, you can bet that there are no few
fu'ivla that are/will be invented that would be better as lujvo), then
we get a million non-mutually-intelligible dialects, not a language at
all. And even for fu'ivla that are legitimately fu'ivla, there will
still be arbitrarily many different forms depending on the biases and
knowledge of each coiner.
I think at *least* you should give some sort of heads-up in the form of
prefixed rafsi (type-3 fu'ivla), maybe start to learn to transition from
type-3 to type-4 as it becomes more familiar (make dropping off that
rafsi for well-known words a "natural" part of colloquial and fluent
speech), and make type-4 fu'ivla only when they are (or will be) more or
less universally recognized. Or at the very least make sure there's a
Central Repository, an Academie Lojbanique, to approve these fu'ivla so
at least I have someplace to look them up.
~mark
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Then again, any other "Academie Lojbanique" would have the same problem.
Speaking of- Bad Pierre! Not putting {ipkota} into jbovlaste! For shame! :D
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najrut
If everyone
randomly makes up words when they can't be bothered to think of a good
lujvo (which is not to say that all fu'ivla can be replaced by lujvo,
but (a) I think more of them can than is commonly claimed
cutne+polje+vasxu
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Jorge Llambías
>
> ta'onai "ipkoto"; I love it! I think between this and "sorpreka" I have
> been convinced. fu'ivla are ever so boss.
"sorpreka" is lujvo though, not fu'ivla. I think you meant "sorpeka".
How about "suktu'o" for "hiccups"?
mu'o mi'e xorxes
Pierre Abbat
> Speaking of- Bad Pierre! Not putting {ipkota} into jbovlaste! For shame! :D
I did put it in. Is there still a bug?
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Jorge Llambías
> I like the simplicity of suktu'o, except that swallowing isn't something I
> would consider hiccups to be a member of.
"tunlo" seems to be not so much about swallowing but about a
swallowing motion. It has no defined place for the thing swallowed.
Pierre Abbat
> Apparently. I get *'No definitions found for "ipkota" *' when I search for
> it.
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ipkota
If that brings up the definition, but search doesn't (which it didn't for me),
then there is a bug, or it needs to run some cron job. I looked for "meninx"
(benpi'a) and that came up. Both words have at least one vote in each
direction.
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Jorge Llambías
> Even so, I would think hiccuping is more similar to the opposite- and even
> then, isn't a hiccup a sudden outflow of air? Gulping, swallowing, etc.,
> don't really have anything to do with the lungs....
It's an intake of air, not an outflow, a kind of gulping:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiccup
"These proposals explain why premature infants spend 2.5% of their
time hiccuping, indeed they are gulping just like amphibians, as their
lungs are not yet fully formed."
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Pierre Abbat
> Well, seeing as Robin has those kids now, and is likely too busy to mess
> with it, who do we bug about this bug?
First wait a couple of days and see if the words with votes get copied to
whatever. If they don't, there may be someone who has a copy of the code; if
not, just wait. The word is entered and can be seen; that's more important
than the search function finding it.
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Just throwin' it out there, in case Robin asks..
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Pierre Abbat
> "singultus" might also be a good fu'ivla candidate, given that it's the
> accepted medical term.
The obvious first attempt is "singulto", but that's a lujvo. The Italians
still use the word, as "singhiozzo". How about "singiotso" (vlatai rejects
it, but that's a bug) or "singioso"?
Pierre
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Sebastian Fröjd
Too much fu'ivla would make lojban a totally different language right?
/jongausib
Robin Lee Powell
figure out a lujvo's meaning and place structure on sight, it might
be different, but as far as I can tell both fu'ivla and lujvo simply
need to be memorized in practice, just like everything else, so the
difference between them is pretty inconsequential in practice.
-Robin
On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 09:30:25PM +0100, Sebastian Fr�jd wrote:
> I like {suktu'o} for it's simplicity and also because I prefer
> lujvo instead of fu'ivla when possible.
>
> Too much fu'ivla would make lojban a totally different language right?
>
> /jongausib
>
> 2011/11/2 Jorge Llamb�as <jjlla...@gmail.com>
>
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Even so, I would think hiccuping is more similar to the opposite- and
> > even
> > > then, isn't a hiccup a sudden outflow of air? Gulping, swallowing, etc.,
> > > don't really have anything to do with the lungs....
> >
> > It's an intake of air, not an outflow, a kind of gulping:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiccup
> > "These proposals explain why premature infants spend 2.5% of their
> > time hiccuping, indeed they are gulping just like amphibians, as their
> > lungs are not yet fully formed."
> >
> > mu'o mi'e xorxes
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