Historians: Do you happen to know when lojban was forked off loglan?
banseljaj
I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan.
regards.
banseljaj
Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG
> This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists.
> I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan.
The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials
for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his
intellectual property claims. We started making new gismu starting in
Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. But the language
was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it
as a negotiating tactic. Nora and I got married using vows written in a
hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in
Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of
the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think
is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration", if anyone
has such a thing in mind). It was during 1988 that we started using the
name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty much realized
that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up with a
formal grammar). That took most of the year, and the JCB started
threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the
fork was going to remain.
The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first
couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more
dates and details.
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
MorphemeAddict
banseljaj wrote:The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his intellectual property claims. We started making new gismu starting in Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. But the language was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it as a negotiating tactic. Nora and I got married using vows written in a hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration", if anyone has such a thing in mind). It was during 1988 that we started using the name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban",
This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists.
I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan.
and we pretty much realized that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up with a formal grammar). That took most of the year, and the JCB started threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the fork was going to remain.
The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more dates and details.
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
banseljaj
Thank you for replying so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an anniversary.
First weekend of January 1987 puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd January 2013. Would that be correct?
Thanks again.
Also, Thank you for Lojban.
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier
Jonathan Jones
coi la lojbab
Thank you for replying so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an anniversary.
First weekend of January 1987 puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd January 2013. Would that be correct?
No. The 3rd was a Friday in '87, the weekend is Saturday and Sunday.
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Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG
> coi la lojbab
>
> Thank you for replying so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an
> anniversary.
> First weekend of January 1987
1988, but I think you got the date right.
puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd
> January 2013. Would that be correct?
Per my perpetual calendar software, that looks correct.
lojbab
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najrut
Robert LeChevalier
> Can anybody please tell us when and how Laadan indicators were
> introduced into Loglan/Lojban?
I believe it was sometime in 1988.
Longtime Loglanist/Lojbanist Bob Chassell had urged us to look at the
ideas used in Laadan, but didn't suggest anything in particular. Nora
had read Elgin's novels and was somewhat familiar with the language
concept, but not the details (I later read them as well).
But then in 1988, Don Simpson, an SF area Lojbanist, wrote an essay,
which you can find here, rather early in the file (look for his name):
http://www.lojban.org/files/why-lojban/whylojb.txt
We probably added the words in a tentative way in 1988 at the time of
the indicated JL, but the entire indicator system was overhauled in Fall
1989, and that is when the current set was put in place. The key event
in that overhaul was a 1989 meeting in New Jersey that we had enroute
back from Worldcon (Noreascon 3) in Boston, which was Labor Day weekend.
After that meeting, I wrote up a proposal which was discussed and
approved in September/October, and which included the Laadan indicators.
lojbab