memrise simplified gismu {dukse} vs {zmadu} definition

[Paul Predkiewicz]

Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart.

I propose to change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds x2 in x3 by amount x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, because to me the similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by amount x4" to "x1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hindering my learning effort.

What do you guys think?

.u'i On the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the definition more carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in a hurry...

mlatu

[Lindar]

You have to talk to whomever manages that deck, but the simple version is:

x1 is too much of x2 by standard x3

x1 is more than x2 in aspect x3 by amount x4

It's "more" vs. "too much".

[Paul Predkiewicz]

i was hoping whoever manages it also reads this.

2012/8/15 Lindar <lindar...@gmail.com>

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[Jonathan Jones]

I do.

I was trying to decide what to do.

I'm thinking removing the " exceeds or " part of zmadu is the best idea.

Sorry I haven't said anything, I've had a bunch of stuff on my plate of late, not all of it Lojban-related. I'll take care of that now, before I forget again.

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[Jonathan Jones]

Done.

[Paul Predkiewicz]

.ui thank you

2012/8/15 Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com>

[Jonathan Jones]

je'e

[mudri]

Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified translation that reads something like "similar, close in properties". For a while, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation remarkably well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is the difference between these two?

[Jonathan Jones]

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified translation that reads something like "similar, close in properties". For a while, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation remarkably well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is the difference between these two?

The full definitions are almost exactly the same, too, which is why my simplied definition (the ones used in Memrise) are so close. The words are almost exactly the same in meaning.

From the notes (in simsa), I'd say that two Golden Delicious apples can be both simsa and jibni, a picture (or painting) is simsa (assuming it's of something that exists in real life, like a landscape or still life), and a length of string which is .01 cm shorter than another string is jibni.

On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:40:40 UTC+1, kamisori wrote:

Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart.

I propose to change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds x2 in x3 by amount x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, because to me the similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by amount x4" to "x1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hindering my learning effort.

What do you guys think?

.u'i On the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the definition more carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in a hurry...

mlatu

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[Annie]

How can braces mean "similar"?

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[Jonathan Jones]

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Annie <park....@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

How can braces mean "similar"?

Braces { } have no meaning. They only serve to quote Lojban text when typing in a non-Lojban language. You've misread these messages.
 

[Annie]

Yes I have. Can you help me understand them better?

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[Jonathan Jones]

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Annie <park....@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

Yes I have. Can you help me understand them better?

Just re-read the messages, and this time pay attention to what's inside the braces, since that is what's being talked about, not the braces themselves, which are just there to say "the stuff inside these braces are Lojban".
 

[Michael Turniansky]

   Simply speaking,  jibni is the antonym of darno, while simsa is the antonym of frica. Generally speaking, Jonathan is right, in that the meanings of jibni and simsa are quite close, (or we might say "zo jibni cu simsa zo jibni lo ka smuni ce'u"), as are darno to frica.  This is because the existence  x3 argument gives you freedom to play with how two things are "similar" or "close".  I would say that, to an native English speaker at least, without a third argument being explicitly mentioned, jibni and darno are usually thought of as comparing distances or time or quantity, while simsa and frica would be other scales.  But maybe that's just me.

                             --gejyspa