mi cu xebni lenu lumci le palta .i

[azuriss]

I just made an attempt to translate "I hate washing the dishes" into Lojban and come up with this: {mi cu xebni lenu lumci le palta .i}.

I'd greatly appreciate it, if anyone could show me any corrections I may need to make.

Thanks!

[Pierre Abbat]

"cu" is unnecessary, but not incorrect. I'd use "lo" instead of "le" both
times, unless there are particular dishes you hate washing. "i" separates
sentences; it's sometimes used at the beginning of a sentence not preceded by
another sentence, but almost never at the end of text (although the parser
doesn't complain). So "mi xebni lonu lumci lo palta".

Pierre
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sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

[Lindar]

For historical purposes this is why I tell people not to read CLL/L4B/anything that isn't the wave lessons.

azuriss, please forget absolutely everything you've learned about Lojban. It was all wrong. <3

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/wavelessonscontinued <--- read this instead

If you have any questions you can e-mail back to this list or send me a personal email and I'd be happy to help.

[Jonathan Jones]

It wasn't /all/ wrong....

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[Pierre Abbat]

On Friday 29 June 2012 13:52:20 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> It wasn't /all/ wrong....

For a beginner, it wasn't wrong at all! :)

[Jonathan Jones]

Precisely speaking, it wasn't wrong for any level of speaker. A bit outdated with the use of le,, but it was what he wanted to say, and it was grammatically correct.

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[Lindar]

I'm being a jerk. It was grammatically correct, sure.

No hate intended. <3

[azuriss]

Thanks everyone. My use of .i was a little confused. I understand that it separates sentences, but I wasn't sure where to put it. Also can someone refresh my memory when it comes to the use of le and lo?

[Jonathan Jones]

lo is the default. It means "one or more things which actually are something that can fill the x1 of broda".

le is when wanting to be specific. It means "one or more things I have in mind which I describe as something that can fill the x1 of broda".

le is less restrictive than lo. A thing can not be lo broda unless it actually is an instance of broda, however, anything can be le broda, as it is not stating that something is broda, but merely being described as such.

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[Ross Ogilvie]

Scroll down a bit on this page to the headings lo and le. It has a nice bullet point summary of how lo and le work.

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo

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[azuriss]

Thanks! I think I am getting a better understanding of the words. One thing that confuses me though is the word broda. In vlasisku, it is defined as " 1st assignable variable predicate (context determines place structure). " But I can't make much sense of that definition. Can anyone explain it for me?

On Friday, June 29, 2012 10:09:56 AM UTC-4, azuriss wrote:

[Jonathan Jones]

It's a variable, kind of like x and y in Algebra. It has no definition. It's main purpose is as a replacement for "normal" gismu in examples, such as in "lo broda" from my explanation of "lo". Basically, you can replace "broda" with any selbri at all and the grammar is the same.

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[Jonathan Jones]

Sorry, I should've said it has no /meaning/.

[Michael Turniansky]

  Well, it is assignable to a meaning in a given context with cei, buit that's an advanced concept.  You can read more about this in chapter seven, section five of the complete grammar http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html

       --gejyspa