Question on lu... li'u usage

[Álvaro Vallejo]

coi rodo

The following text comes from "tu'a loi cmalu": ".i lu naku mi gasnu lenu le cifnu cu cortu sei ko'a cusku li'u"

I don't understand why the text "sei ko'a cusku" is inside the quotation marks... in this case I would understand it as part of what is quoted. I.e. "I'm not hurting the baby, he said." instead of "I'm not hurting the baby", he said.

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[Jonathan Jones]

I agree that's it's very odd. But that is how ["I'm not hurting the baby," he said.] is done in Lojban.

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[ianek]

By the way, is there something one can do when the cited words include
"sei", to mark that the "sei" is a part of the citation?

mu'o mi'e ianek

[Miles Forster]

Am 06.06.2012 19:47, schrieb ianek:
> By the way, is there something one can do when the cited words include
> "sei", to mark that the "sei" is a part of the citation?
>

How about sei sa'a nai?

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[ianek]

On 6 Cze, 20:19, Miles Forster <m...@plasmatix.com> wrote:
> Am 06.06.2012 19:47, schrieb ianek:
>
> > By the way, is there something one can do when the cited words include
> > "sei", to mark that the "sei" is a part of the citation?
>
> How about sei sa'a nai?

This raises more questions than answers: what if the sei in the
quotation is already followed by {sa'a} or {sa'a nai}?

[Jonathan Jones]

This is the problem with sei being internal to the lu ... li'u thing. You can't say "I heard him say '"I didn't hurt the baby", he said.' yesterday." Fortunately, I don't think that kind of thing happens much, if at all.

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[selpa'i]

Am 06.06.2012 21:23, schrieb ianek:
> On 6 Cze, 20:19, Miles Forster<m...@plasmatix.com> wrote:
>> Am 06.06.2012 19:47, schrieb ianek:
>>
>>> By the way, is there something one can do when the cited words include
>>> "sei", to mark that the "sei" is a part of the citation?
>> How about sei sa'a nai?
> This raises more questions than answers: what if the sei in the
> quotation is already followed by {sa'a} or {sa'a nai}?

This probably comes down to convention. Since the default (in common
usage) is for the sei within the quote to not be regarded part of the
quote, you would have state somewhere outside quote that you are using a
different convention in your text.

.i �lu li'o sei [sa'a [nai]] broda li'u� sei ro zo sei cu pagbu lo sitna
selsku [gi'e se sitna]

If you stick to this convention throughout an entire book, it would be
enough to mention it once in the beginning.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

[selpa'i]

Am 06.06.2012 21:37, schrieb selpa'i:
> Am 06.06.2012 21:23, schrieb ianek:
>> On 6 Cze, 20:19, Miles Forster<m...@plasmatix.com> wrote:
>>> Am 06.06.2012 19:47, schrieb ianek:
>>>
>>>> By the way, is there something one can do when the cited words include
>>>> "sei", to mark that the "sei" is a part of the citation?
>>> How about sei sa'a nai?
>> This raises more questions than answers: what if the sei in the
>> quotation is already followed by {sa'a} or {sa'a nai}?
>

> .i �lu li'o sei [sa'a [nai]] broda li'u� sei ro zo sei cu pagbu lo
> sitna selsku [gi'e se sitna]
>

I correct myself:
The second sei should to be {to}
.i �lu li'o sei [sa'a [nai]] broda li'u� (to ro zo sei cu pagbu lo sitna
selsku [gi'e se sitna] toi)

.u'u .oi se'i .i ko mi fraxu .i .a'o lo sidbo cu se jimpe

mu'i mi'e la selpa'i

[Jonathan Jones]

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, selpa'i <m...@plasmatix.com> wrote:

.i lu li'o sei [sa'a [nai]] broda li'u sei ro zo sei cu pagbu lo sitna cu selsku [gi'e se sitna]

Completely unrelated, I hate « and ».

[Jonathan Jones]

la'e lo'u fi'o mukti le'u smuni zo mu'i .i do djica mu'o
 

mu'i mi'e la selpa'i

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[selpa'i]

Am 06.06.2012 21:50, schrieb Jonathan Jones:

la'e lo'u fi'o mukti le'u smuni zo mu'i .i do djica mu'o
 

mu'i mi'e la selpa'i

.u'i .i za'a lo cabdei cu jai ca so'i roi lerbasysre fai mi .i li'a zo mu'o

.i zo'o ba'e mu'o mi'e la selpa'i