problem with cmavo {zei}. Can it be mixed with {zei} rafsi?

[gleki]

Look at this example from jbovlaste.

simfoni zei pagbu - p1 is a movement of symphony number k3 in key k4 composed by k5.

I wonder whether in spoken pauseless speech

it can be mixed with 

simfoni zeipagbu  - which can be intrepreted as "symphonical crime-part".

Do you have any explanation or solution?

[Jonathan Jones]

"zeipagbu" can't be a lujvo. It will /always/ break into "zei pagbu", because a lujvo must have a consonant cluster within the first 5 letters. "zeipagbu" doesn't have a cluster until the 6th letter. In order to make a lujvo of "zekri pagbu", you have to use the /other/ rafsi of xekri, "zer".

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[Jonathan Jones]

*zekri

[ianek]

Actually, you can use {zei}, but in that case you'd have to add "r" after that, forming zeirpagbu, which obviously has no advantage over zerpagbu (or zerpau).

mu'o mi'e ianek

On Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:43:04 PM UTC+2, aionys wrote:

*zekri

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote:

"zeipagbu" can't be a lujvo. It will /always/ break into "zei pagbu", because a lujvo must have a consonant cluster within the first 5 letters. "zeipagbu" doesn't have a cluster until the 6th letter. In order to make a lujvo of "zekri pagbu", you have to use the /other/ rafsi of xekri, "zer".

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:28 AM, gleki wrote:

Look at this example from jbovlaste.

simfoni zei pagbu - p1 is a movement of symphony number k3 in key k4 composed by k5.

I wonder whether in spoken pauseless speech

it can be mixed with 

simfoni zeipagbu  - which can be intrepreted as "symphonical crime-part".

Do you have any explanation or solution?

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[gleki]

Can anybody give an example with {zei} rafsi in first position of a lujvo and not followed by any buffer consonant like r ?

[ianek]

It's only possible when there are two rafsi and the second is CCV-form.

http://dag.github.com/cll/4/11/

If there are more than two words in the tanru, put an “r”-hyphen (or an “n”-hyphen) after the first rafsi if it is CVV-form. If there are exactly two words, then put an “r”-hyphen (or an “n”-hyphen) between the two rafsi if the first rafsi is CVV-form, unless the second rafsi is CCV-form (for example, “saicli” requires no hyphen).

Likewise, "zeicli" doesn't require a hyphen.

mu'o mi'e ianek

[Sebastian Fröjd]

Or what about zeicpa? To obtain something illegal (maybe fencing/handling stolen goods) could be a useful concept.

mu'omi'e jongausib

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