Advantages of Lojban

[Waterd]

I'm trying to decide if learning Lojban or not. I speak Spanish,
English and German.
Something I hate of Current standard languages is the ambiguity of
concepts or words, as you may know with words like Game, Art,
Happiness, Love, Problem, Challenge, etc etc.
For that reason I was adviced to learn about this language, yet I
don't see it actually helps much in that area. I'm wrong?
Something I don't like is that it seems longer than English, which is
one of the things I like from English. Why would that be worth it?
When I found about this language i was very excited, but after reading
several chapters on the beginner book, I really fail to see important
advantages over languages i know, in what regards to remove ambiguity
of words and concepts.

[iesk]

Lojban arguably 'suffers' less from polysemy and homonymy than the
languages you mention. However, there is conceptual vagueness. (I
don't think a language could work without conceptual vagueness, or
rather, I don't know what it would mean for a language to be free of
it.) The 'unambiguous' stuff in Lojban is about syntax.

.iesk.

[gleki]

Read comments to each of my album photos.
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If you have more questions feel free to post them either here or to that album.

[Pierre Abbat]

Vagueness and ambiguity are different, though vagueness can develop into
ambiguity. For instance, "game" can mean "keinritli", "jivna", or "selkalte".
In French, the first two are covered by "jeu"; the last is "gibier". North
Germanic languages distinguish the first two (a game which may or may not
have a winner, and a game in which one tries to win). One term covering the
first two concepts is vagueness; one term covering both played games and
hunted game is ambiguity. But all senses came from a Proto-Germanic word
meaning vaguely "anything enjoyable that happens when people get together".

It's impossible to remove ambiguity without either increasing the number of
phonemes, making words closer together in sound, or making them longer.
Greek, for instance, has three or four words for "love", but none of them is
a single syllable. (Yes there are single-syllable Greek nouns, though it's an
inflecting language.)

Lojban features syntactic ambiguity, which is accomplished with the
terminator, a part of speech not found, as far as I know, outside the
Loglanic family. Of course, inserting terminators makes sentences longer on
average. But one can drop sumti when they are obvious from context.

Pierre

--
Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

[Devin Prater]

coi rodo
I have been learning lojban from the book called "an introduction to Lojban". I would like to know where I can find good resources of how to learn and remember vocabulary. How do you all learn and remember it?
Also, there is a twitter account that posts a lot about and in Lojban. He retweeted a sample of Lojbanic synthetic speech that I made. The eSpeak engine was used, it supports Lojban. I'm wondering if you all can test it and tell me how good the Lojban speech is so that I can know if I can base my own speech patterns of zlojban on it.
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[Álvaro Vallejo]

Hi,

I recommend two tools for learning vocabulary:
1. memrise.com => go there and search for Lojban. There are two very good lists there:
- http://www.memrise.com/set/10011294/cmavo-better-without-selmao-frequency-order/
- www.memrise.com/set/10002578/gismu-frequency-order/

2. Study and memorize bilingual texts. This way you'll learn vocabulary, grammar and usage at the same time. I am preparing several bilingual texts, here the first:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=887&download=y

co'o

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On Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:30:30 AM UTC-5, la .devin.preitr wrote:

coi rodo
I have been learning lojban from the book called "an introduction to Lojban". I would like to know where I can find good resources of how to learn and remember vocabulary. How do you all learn and remember it?
Also, there is a twitter account that posts a lot about and in Lojban. He retweeted a sample of Lojbanic synthetic speech that I made. The eSpeak engine was used, it supports Lojban. I'm wondering if you all can test it and tell me how good the Lojban speech is so that I can know if I can base my own speech patterns of zlojban on it.
--
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

Read comments to each of my album photos.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.200050570116201.43269.100003337779349&type=3
This album is created to explain some nice features of Lojban. Although this album is far from completion.

If you have more questions feel free to post them either here or to that album.

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[Michael Turniansky]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

Lojban features syntactic ambiguity, which is accomplished with the
terminator, a part of speech not found, as far as I know, outside the
Loglanic family. Of course, inserting terminators makes sentences longer on
average. But one can drop sumti when they are obvious from context.

  UNambiguity...