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gleki

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Feb 2, 2012, 1:57:50 AM2/2/12
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I wonder how to say "I successfully completed assembling a device".
za'o and ba'o just don't say anything about completing the action.

Felipe Gonçalves Assis

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Feb 2, 2012, 2:25:54 AM2/2/12
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I guess you are looking for {mo'u}.
{mi mo'u zbasu lo cabra}
{lo nu mi zbasu lo cabra cu mulno}

On 2 February 2012 03:57, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder how to say "I successfully completed assembling a device".
> za'o and ba'o just don't say anything about completing the action.
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gleki

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Feb 3, 2012, 1:31:46 AM2/3/12
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But doesn't {mo'u} mean "on the verge or completing sth" ?
Do you mean that "I successfully completed assembling sth" should be translated as {mi mo'u zbasu} ?
Don't we need to add {ba'o} to it ?

On Thursday, February 2, 2012 7:25:54 AM UTC, .asiz. wrote:
I guess you are looking for {mo'u}.
  {mi mo'u zbasu lo cabra}
  {lo nu mi zbasu lo cabra cu mulno}

On 2 February 2012 03:57, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> za'o and ba'o just don't say anything about completing the action.
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ianek

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Feb 3, 2012, 4:12:31 AM2/3/12
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{mi mo'u zbasu} is timeless, just like {mi klama}. It says that I
complete assembling, but not when (future, past, present). You can say
{mi pu mo'u zbasu}. I'm not sure what would make {ba'o} instead of
{pu}, but probably not what you want. On the other hand, {mi ca ba'o
zbasu} means something like "I have assembled", so it means that the
device is now assembled, but does not stress the moment of completing.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 3 Lut, 07:31, gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But doesn't {mo'u} mean "on the verge or completing sth" ?
> Do you mean that "I successfully completed assembling sth" should be
> translated as {mi mo'u zbasu} ?
> Don't we need to add {ba'o} to it ?
>
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> On Thursday, February 2, 2012 7:25:54 AM UTC, .asiz. wrote:
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> > I guess you are looking for {mo'u}.
> >   {mi mo'u zbasu lo cabra}
> >   {lo nu mi zbasu lo cabra cu mulno}
>
> > On 2 February 2012 03:57, gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I wonder how to say "I successfully completed assembling a device".
> > > za'o and ba'o just don't say anything about completing the action.
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gleki

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Mar 6, 2012, 12:24:36 PM3/6/12
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The question seems more global to me now.
pu se kavbu cipni - is it a bird caught in past or a bird that was in the process of being captured (but we never now whether we succeeded).

Is it somewhere defined whether some gismu have "mo'u" meaning by default ?

ianek

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Mar 6, 2012, 2:02:56 PM3/6/12
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I think it's something different. Some relations are properties (like
crino) and other things, some are connected to events, and events are
(according to Lojban abstractors) divided to processes (proceding in
stages), activities, states (of something being continouously true)
and achievements (event-as-a-point).
I see kavbu as primarily "achievement", so {mo'u} is not quite right,
rather {co'i}. In my opinion, I mean, and I'm probably totally wrong!
[http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1650]

mu'o mi'e ianek

Michael Turniansky

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Mar 15, 2012, 1:22:55 PM3/15/12
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"pu se kavbu cipni" is a previously captured bird (which may or may
not be currently captured. It might have subsequently escaped). A
bird in the process of being captured would be a ca'o se kavbu cipni.
--gejyspa

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