I'll get Jess to post more details here :)
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George
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"AMP isn't a full stack CSS framework in and of itself like Bootstrap is, rather an alternative means to display data. Not yet having taken the time to work with it and basing this solely on the documentation and examples I've seen, it could work in parallel to any existing CSS framework within the limitations that AMP has set forth."
Advertising: Ads help fund free services and content on the web. With Accelerated Mobile Pages, we want to support a comprehensive range of ad formats, ad networks and technologies. Any sites using AMP HTML will retain their choice of ad networks, as well as any formats that don’t detract from the user experience. It’s also a core goal of the project to support subscriptions and paywalls. We’ll work with publishers and those in the industry to help define the parameters of an ad experience that still provides the speed we’re striving for with AMP.https://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/introducing-accelerated-mobile-pages.html
What is there to discus ? Surely either the Joomla dev's decide to incorporate the code into Joomla (like they did with bootstrap) or they decide not to.
Just to clarify, the meeting on Friday was the first meeting with Google regarding AMP. My role in this was to get the right people involved. I organized a meeting with Google hangout and invited Michael and George. There were no decisions, as it wan an informal meeting to discuss and listen based of some interest. I think it is always good for us to keep an open mind to discussions and ideas. If you have any questions for me personally, please feel free to contact me and I will clarify anything I can.
As far as the advertising accusations - its something we can ask about and clarify.
"As far as the advertising accusations"
"There were no decisions, as it wan an informal meeting to discuss and listen based of some interest"
" I think it is always good for us to keep an open mind to discussions and ideas"
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Ohhhhh, good! THAT'S productive, technical and non-accusatory!
My compliments, lady!
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"keep the conversation productive, technical, and non accusatory. We are discussing a new way to make web pages that are optimized to load instantly"
Sadly some people use the exact same method of debate on every single ocation.
To get back to the original Question of this Thread Google AMP…
I feel it is certainly worth to get a better understanding of the AMP project. When it proofs its self it would be nice to have it work with Joomla and secondly inventing stuff can have unknown positive side effects…
My question is, what is really the catch in the AMP project? From what I read Google is focussing with AMP on less technical and Google Cache!
And Yes, less technical can mean less delay and offering content from “around the corner” will help to improve websites serving data.
The first (less tech) can be in reach for most people. The second could be done by CDN or join AMP get Google Cache..?
Furthermore, what the AMP FAQ states is that WordPress.com the WP content platform is joining the project. (Which as a publisher platform sounds logical) Using Goole Cache, could mean better performance, sounds as smart marketing… for the framework.
I did not read that WordPress.org is going to integrate AMP in there CMS platform. I am not sure the average WP or Joomla website is “Publisher” and there fore AMP material, but well, marketing is a powerful tool.
Kind regards / Wilko
"Sadly some people use the exact same method of debate on every single ocation."
"I have never seen the person on any (public) platform of PLT so if the person speaks out very loud here all of a sudden (seemingly) on behalf of PLT I think I am fully entitled to ask what the person brings to PLT?"
"What if you were considered as a major problem to this community by some who believe your stands on the project reorganization + personal hidden negotiations to get ads in the CMS back-end have provoked the departure of very important elements of our Production Team?"
"At this point we don't know. Please allow those people tasked with INVESTIGATING this the time to do their task"
If you look closely at my posts (about Google AMP) you will see that all my questions pertain to one of those 4 issues.
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@Jessica Dunbar,
I am absolutely not convinced that you express yourself on behalf of PLT(?) or represent the opinion of the PLT (?) Can Leadership of PLT clarify this please?
Just a quick question to clarify your position in PLT: Can you be so kind to point me to some of your contributions (on Github maybe) as a Member of PLT?
Thanks
Leo Lammerink
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@webdongle keep the conversation productive, technical, and non accusatory. We are discussing a new way to make web pages that are optimized to load instantly.--
Referring our developer culture like
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Will not be tolerated and if you continue, PLT will take the proper steps in banning you.
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Cheers Thomas
Please read what AMP is. There is no requirement for any code inclusion from Google into your site.
@Hannes"3. A template"
Giving users the ability to create/use a Google AMP Template could possibly help attract more Joomla users. But that could be done without the AMP code being incorporated into Joomla couldn't it ?
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- Would it allow Google to collect metrics about visitors to sites built with Joomla ?
- Could it be incorporated into Joomla ?
- If it could be incorporated into Joomla how would it be done ?
- Would it be useful or not to Joomla ?
If you look closely at my posts (about Google AMP) you will see that all my questions pertain to one of those 4 issues.
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Please open a new thread instead of hijacking this one.
I understand this very well Thomas "c'est le ton qui fait la musique " I though have not received an answer regretfully re. my question? Is that so difficult?
Cheers
Leo
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Am Sonntag, 15. November 2015 16:24:49 UTC+1 schrieb Leo Lammerink:Thomas, thanks for the reply and it is appreciated. However with no offense at all please look at this https://www.joomla.org/about-joomla/the-project/leadership-team.html . I do know Tom's contributions.... 100%. If I may refer to the link above which is clearly outdated (?) who is a member of PLT actually and what are respective assignments? I do not believe that asking such question is offensive at all since the Joomla website does not give any clues? Am I at the "shooting range" for asking who is in PLT and who is doing what? If so we have gone back to Mambo-days 10 years ago me think?Cheers Thomas
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With the plugin active, all content on your site will have dynamically generated AMP-compatible versions, accessible by appending /amp/
to the end your permalinks. (If you do not have pretty permalinks enabled, you can do the same thing by appending ?amp=1
.)
Follow along with or contribute to the development of this plugin at https://github.com/Automattic/amp-wp
Why not learn from or work with our WP colleagues?
However, is this (dynamically generating additional pages) a 'band-aid' solution? Are we unnecessarily creating duplicate content?
I think this could be handled much more elegantly.
Is AMP a Secret Conspiracy to Take over the World?
Given the tone of some of the comments in this thread, I think we should certainly investigate this possibility.
Is the Google AMP Project willing to Liaison with the PLT?
Yes? Brilliant!
What is the 'Real Risk' of Joomla! sites failing to adopt AMP?
This will all go back to "Which CMS is better on Search-Engines?"
The answer to this question can often be the number determining factor of which CMS people will choose.
For a discussion of SERP implications, see the link at the top of this response from Search Engine Watch.
Wordpress is already on-board.
Bottom-line
It seems plain and obvious that for anybody who cares about SEO rankings will choose Wordpress over Joomla! in the absence of an AMP'd Joomla!
Cheers,
N
If it was integrated in Joomla would it be just for Templates or would it be used for the default.php output pages as well ? And who would it benefit the most ... Joomla users or Google Ads ?Advertising: Ads help fund free services and content on the web. With Accelerated Mobile Pages, we want to support a comprehensive range of ad formats, ad networks and technologies. Any sites using AMP HTML will retain their choice of ad networks, as well as any formats that don’t detract from the user experience. It’s also a core goal of the project to support subscriptions and paywalls. We’ll work with publishers and those in the industry to help define the parameters of an ad experience that still provides the speed we’re striving for with AMP.https://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/introducing-accelerated-mobile-pages.html
Make no mistake Google AMP is 'Wolf in sheep's clothing' that is looking to hide in the code of websites.
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Assume no JavaScript comment - The way things look to me, AMP is geared primarily toward blog/publication style pages.
Is it appropriate to render all modules on AMP pages too or only on "normal" HTML pages?
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My concern is about the SERP dominance that will discriminate web sites that will not have AMP technology. Soon will Google know and control everything we do, wish and also think. If you dont agree and follow Googles rules you are o u t....Its like a dictatorship but with economical power and influence in the digital world.
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1. If AMP is tuning toward a content first and page speed approach, then the pages that are served under AMP format specifically are going to have less of those "media rich" features. BBC and WordPress.com have some generic CSS styling to make their AMP pages fit in with their main site's theming, beyond that however their pages are content only (note you don't find the site navigation or any of the side content on the AMP pages). You might need to rethink your approach on AMP, it seems like you're looking at how you might adapt your full site to be AMP compliant when the reality is that it really is only going to fit a subset of your pages.
2. Maybe. Maybe not. Hard to know their intentions without sitting in an office with them 24/7. Yes, AMP in its current specification isn't welcoming to client technologies that are jQuery driven, but as I've pointed out a few times now I'm starting to believe that it isn't because Google wants to force everyone to use their technologies but rather I feel like AMP has a specific focus on certain types of content that are heavily text based (blog posts, news articles, etc.). The more I become familiar with AMP, the more I get the impression that it is *NOT* a 100% replacement for a site's current responsive templates or structure. If your pages are media rich and dependent on features unavailable in the AMP platform, don't support AMP for those pages. Even WordPress.com doesn't (see https://vip.wordpress.com/our-services/amp/).
3. We know full well that Google isn't going to just disclose algorithm data, so in typical industry fashion everyone will be playing catch up when they make a major algorithm change. With any luck, the generalized changes will go toward favoring page speed without making AMP a dominating factor or replacing the human relevancy factor. Only time can tell there.
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pushing for full jQuery support isn't something I'm personally interested in yet.
contain a<link rel="canonical" href="$SOME_URL" />
tag inside their head that points to the regular HTML version of the AMP HTML document or to itself if no such HTML version exists.
I think at this point, I suggest that we give Jessica a chance to meet with the AMP team as she indicated and hopefully there will be an avenue for us to submit our questions through her.
I think at this point, I suggest that we give Jessica a chance to meet with the AMP team as she indicated and hopefully there will be an avenue for us to submit our questions through her.It would be great if you can gather a list of questions. They are really interested how they can make their dev materials be more clear about any concerns. Any and all suggestions are welcome.
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Most curious.
The lead negotiator here -- Jessica Dunbar -- has a WordPress website.
Joomla 4 will support different renderers, which are selected depending
on a combination of the HTTP Accept: header and configuration settings.
Technically there is no problem to provide an AMP renderer. Or an
AngularJS2 renderer. Or whatever you might want. So regarding Joomla 4,
there is no need to make any decision about including AMP to the core,
since the core will be channel (and thus output format) agnostic. The
decision to be made is whether we want to ship an AMP renderer with
Joomla 4 (and with which minor version of J4), or if we want to leave
that to third party developers.
@Niv
That is truly insulting.
Your comment that AMP is proprietary us false.
Your comment that wordpress is leading this is false.
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@Niv
This "Google" Group is full of references to WordPress being the competition.
Michael's (and a few others') recent comments make me feel like I am wasting my time here.
All things considered, it seems to me that Joomla PLT should, at the least, be using Joomla for their solo websites. Brand loyalty and all of that ...
I use Joomla exclusively. I have tried WordPress and because my websites use a lot of images found it lacking. I am not employed by a third-party that uses or develops websites with other CMSs.
I am a freelance designer. I adapt CSS to fit my designs. I do not write php code. I am currently moving over to Linux and was planning on setting up a distribution of Joomla so that I could make pull requests on GitHub with respects to the Admin and Protostar templates. And I have written and posted a website outlining how to get the most out of Joomla. However, this and a couple of other threads on this proprietary third-party hosted Group combined with Michael's (and a few others') recent comments make me feel like I am wasting my time here.
All things considered, it seems to me that Joomla PLT should, at the least, be using Joomla for their solo websites. Brand loyalty and all of that ...
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Okay. New thread.
And just for the record, it's not only Jessica who is trigger happy with the banning button at the moment.Your last few posts were just close to get you temporary banned. Please take this as a warning to behave in this group.
Why?
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