J92s questions (again?)

[rand24]

I have really enjoyed reading through this forum - a great group of people...this forum alone

has increased my interest in a J92 - ok so whats the problem?

I am looking for a single/DH platform for some wlis based distance racing ala Thin Man and a few others...

ala meaning similar events - not expecting similar results!

I considered a figaro or a Holby Quest or even a sunfast but none of these are available and as i say

the J92 looks a great platform as well - there's a great 92s for sale on the east coast and i am keen but wanted to 

ask if the rating, while perhaps a bit too penal in terms of windward leeward course (92s vs 92 and vs other boats,) 

meant the 92s was any less "fun" than a j92 classic....seems to me a 100 or so pounds of extra weight and 

6 inches of extra draft might be a good thing for a DH specific boat - and I have read with great interest the 

discussion about reaching sails that might work on the 92s...

Most of the other questions I have about the 2 boats are covered in this forum - I can live with a rating that is a bit 

harsh as a result of a marketing campaign but I would like that hit to present itself mostly on w/l course and less

so in distance course and just generally blasting about ...

[Ragtime!]

Earlier reply sent to list then deleted.

PHRF ratings and all that . . .

[Todd Aven]

I think for Long Island Sound, you'll be frustrated without an
overlapping genoa.

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[rand24]

I am fearfUl u may be right but am still gonna give it a go...if successful i will try and run as much headsail as possible...i will also want to understand what is legal (and the hit associated) with jib tops and code0 stuff for point to point racing ...i am keen on dh distance stuff and will be prepared for frustration wednesday night ...but im used to that...if it turns out there are so many j92 racing in events along with me and that little s prevents additional OD fun well...i guess ill have to look to europe as there are some very recent classics there....why doesnt j bring them back if they still sell the same hull and seem to be snapped up on used mkt...strange...will look for u to windward - rand

[Todd Aven]

You don't have to look to Europe... there's one for sale in your back yard.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/J-Boats-J-92-2451169/CT/United-States

You can definitely carry a larger jib top (135% would probably be
ideal), but you will be rated for that size headsail even when though
you can't use it upwind.

[Tyler, Pete]

J still produce the J92S in France although the new J97 and J111 seem to be getting more interest

We raced a J92 and the a J92S.  The S is a much nicer boat to sail, with the mods they made, bigger rig, cockpit, keel, rudder etc

Our IRC handicap seemed to level them out quite well.  Some J92 went masthead kite and that seemed to help them dead downwind.  The J92S headsail is limited by the shroud plate positions, we used a small headsail on the J92 and got good results.  

I have now gone retro and have a J105, much different boat to sail, but still great fun

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[Max]

I second Pete's view.

Although the headsail is smaller, the higher aspect rig and foils of the S version should make for better efficiency overall including light airs.

In my area we are racing 80% of the times below ten knots wind speed, and doing well with our S (even though I cannot claim for direct comparison with classic 92).

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[Andrew Oeftering]

And at $45K, you get it for a song compared to the 92S

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[David LeGrand]

Thanks for the sales pitch. I'll miss the boat when it goes, but with a kid going on to college, I'll get one year paid for.

The bottoms nearly done and ready to be splashed. I'll buy you and Todd a beer for the free advertisement.

David LeGrand
Zut Alors

[rand24]

heard good things about zutalors from a couple folks - but i was considering a new boat and frankly i balked 

at the 15-20 yr spread back to the US classics - i really have had a tough time with a couple projects and looking for full blown plug and play

I think zutalors is a fine ride and my decision to get a shiny new specimen and muck things up for OD should not reflect 

at all on that boat - I hope it ends up in WLIS frankly

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[Andrew Oeftering]

You're on!!! Will hump boats for beer anytime!!!

[Daniel Wittig]

I also can't compare with the 92, but the J92s we race in Annapolis does just fine in light air.  We got the biggest kite we could for the rating system here, and were able to do very well in wednesday night races, which is a lot of reaching.  Due to the phrf class we were in it was much tougher to go W/L because we started with a bunch of faster upwind boats. 

I will say the PHRF system here has some loop holes that have helped us, so I don't know if you can do similar things under a different rule.  For instance, the leech of the spinnaker is not measured.  So, free sail area for us, I know that's not the case in LIS for instance.

The smaller jib isn't a problem in light air, as long as you actually change your rig tune to power up in light air.  We're actually looking at going to up down jibs so that we can have horizontal battens, can increase the size slightly (not penalized under phrf Chesapeake Bay), and just as importantly adjust the headstay more easily. 

Rand, I know a J92s is for sale on the MD eastern shore, if you want to come do a wednesday night race in Annapolis and then go check that boat out, you're welcome to join us.

[Tyler, Pete]

I assume an up-down jib, means NOT a furler

Most/all UK boats sail with hank sails now, they come down a lot quicker than TuffLuff.

We had horizontal battens in all our jibs

If you want some good J92 sail shapes then speak to Wooderz at Hyde sails, I think they deliver to USA now.  Their carbon panel sails work very well

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On 09/05/2012 14:30, "Daniel Wittig" <dwit...@gmail.com> wrote:

I also can't compare with the 92, but the J92s we race in Annapolis does just fine in light air.  We got the biggest kite we could for the rating system here, and were able to do very well in wednesday night races, which is a lot of reaching.  Due to the phrf class we were in it was much tougher to go W/L because we started with a bunch of faster upwind boats. 

I will say the PHRF system here has some loop holes that have helped us, so I don't know if you can do similar things under a different rule.  For instance, the leech of the spinnaker is not measured.  So, free sail area for us, I know that's not the case in LIS for instance.

The smaller jib isn't a problem in light air, as long as you actually change your rig tune to power up in light air.  We're actually looking at going to up down jibs so that we can have horizontal battens, can increase the size slightly (not penalized under phrf Chesapeake Bay), and just as importantly adjust the headstay more easily. 

Rand, I know a J92s is for sale on the MD eastern shore, if you want to come do a wednesday night race in Annapolis and then go check that boat out, you're welcome to join us.

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Thanks  for the sales pitch.  I'll miss the boat when it goes, but with a
kid going on to college, I'll get one year paid for.

The bottoms nearly done and ready to be splashed.  I'll buy you and Todd a
beer for the free advertisement.

David LeGrand
Zut Alors


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[Daniel Wittig]

Yes, that's what we're looking at.  We saw that in some of the pictures on the J Boats Europe page, and had come to the same conclusion (hanks vs tuffluff) as you seem to have.  I'll take that as a vote for the hanks!

I appreciate the recommendation on the Hyde sails but we've got a North guy here in Annapolis that's been working very closely with us to great success. 

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[Andrew Oeftering]

Funny thing is. My justification for squandering so many $$$$ on my boat is
a phrase I repeat in my head over and over again: "Well, I could have a
kid(s) in college."

David, hopefully yours will graduate with honors and you'll reward yourself
with a new boat.

[Ragtime!]

On May 9, 6:30 am, Daniel Wittig <dwitti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We're actually looking at going to up down jibs so that we can have horizontal battens, can increase the size slightly (not penalized under phrf Chesapeake Bay), and just as importantly adjust the headstay more easily.

I'm also doing that on my new #3: horizontal battens for more free
roach that twists off better, and easier headsail changes. I'll still
hoist it in the furler foil though. Until they get the bugs out of
the roller battens I'll use solid battens and just drop it, or race
more Melges 32 style and leave the jib up as a spinnaker stays'l.

> Rand, I know a J92s is for sale on the MD eastern shore, if you want to come do a wednesday night race in Annapolis and then go check that boat out, you're welcome to join us.

If it's the blue one you should PM Chet or me - there are reasons it
hasn't sold.

[Tyler, Pete]

On the J2S we found that rig tensions made a lot of difference especially in light winds, slacken off completely


On 22/05/2012 01:11, "rand24" <rand...@gmail.com> wrote:

bot the 92s from up north formerly Kuja  ...shud be in water here in wlis (norwalk) later this week ...fella had been sailing it with 135% and barberhauling...to what effect i dont know - doubt i will go with that setup but looking forward to it - tx all

On Monday, May 7, 2012 10:07:04 AM UTC-4, rand24 wrote:

I have really enjoyed reading through this forum - a great group of people...this forum alone
has increased my interest in a J92 - ok so whats the problem?

I am looking for a single/DH platform for some wlis based distance racing ala Thin Man and a few others...
ala meaning similar events - not expecting similar results!

I considered a figaro or a Holby Quest or even a sunfast but none of these are available and as i say
the J92 looks a great platform as well - there's a great 92s for sale on the east coast and i am keen but wanted to
ask if the rating, while perhaps a bit too penal in terms of windward leeward course (92s vs 92 and vs other boats,)
meant the 92s was any less "fun" than a j92 classic....seems to me a 100 or so pounds of extra weight and
6 inches of extra draft might be a good thing for a DH specific boat - and I have read with great interest the
discussion about reaching sails that might work on the 92s...

Most of the other questions I have about the 2 boats are covered in this forum - I can live with a rating that is a bit
harsh as a result of a marketing campaign but I would like that hit to present itself mostly on w/l course and less
so in distance course and just generally blasting about ...

Best Regards

Pete

Pete Tyler

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Locksview
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[rand24]

bot the 92s from up north formerly Kuja  ...shud be in water here in wlis (norwalk) later this week ...fella had been sailing it with 135% and barberhauling...to what effect i dont know - doubt i will go with that setup but looking forward to it - tx all

On Monday, May 7, 2012 10:07:04 AM UTC-4, rand24 wrote: