Nuovo EBAY

[peh...@comcast.net]

Someone sent me this link.  I saw it last year at the Brooks estate auction.  I had known Ed Brooks.  When I saw it at the auction, the only flaw I could find was the huge scratch on the tank. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Moto-Guzzi-Nuovo-Falcone-Moto-Guzzi-500-Nuovo-Falcone-low-miles-unrestored-survivor-includes-short-/160863760893?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item25743a31fd

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[Turismo]

I saw this link on the Guzzi Wildgoose forum - looks good. I've noticed over here, dealer led as usual, that the Nuovo prices are moving up. Have seen a few with asking prices in the £6000 ($9000) region. A few years ago they were just not wanted. I could have bought a friends but hesitated as I have never quite liked the chunkiness, and decided to hold out for a 'proper' (oohh I'm in trouble) Falcone :-).

Mind you I have also just spotted an unused Honda NR750 on UK Ebay at £105000 ( YES - $165000!) - Mind you they also have a used one for £85000! 

[Stephen Pate]

I 'get' the NR price... Sort of. Exotic engineering in many way... And materials usage, etc. 

But... Is it just me... Or is anyone else really not appreciative of riding the New Falcones? The two I've worked on and ridden were, frankly.... Kind of seriously awful at anything above 35 mph. Awfull all around, really. Compared to 'any' of the 'original' singles... They SHOULD have been even better, at least the engines. In theory. 

It would be an interesting project to see if you could develop a really good engine out of a New. But expensive and possibly a waste of time and money?!? 

Thoughts? 

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[Michael Blumberg]

Steve

 

That’s interesting to hear as I’ve never ridden one and have wondered how that would be.

 

Somewhere I’ve got an old Classic Bike magazine from the UK with a “road test” comparison of a Nuovo and an original Falcone.  I think they had a nicely sorted Nuovo for the test, and some nice things to say about the brakes, electric start and electrics, but it still didn’t bowl them over compared to the original. 

 

The Nuovo I like is the one with the red and white color scheme and the “stacked” muffler style.   The one on e-bay isn’t bad looking for what it is though

 

To me, the aesthetics, particularly the engine and some of the other components that don’t quite do it for me.

 

Michael

[Bill Irwin]

I love singles and back in 1970 my wife an I were planning an overland ride from Australia to Europe via Asia.   I heard about the new Guzzi Falcone and decided to buy one however the test ride was a huge disappointment.  It was overweight and underpowered and seemed completely lacking in character.   I bought a V7 Special instead which was perfect for the job.   It's funny how so often the first of a line of bikes is the best and something gets lost as they 'improve' it by adding weight and reducing power.

Cheers Bill

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[Alan Comfort]

If I could find one that was a little less costly, it might make a good donor for a "Nuovo Dondolino". I am thinking exposed flywheel, girder forks or leading link fork, some nice bodywork, and some performance mods to the engine. It might not hold its own against a Goldie or Velo, burt it could certainly look the part and make a good runner.

Alan in Vancouver

[hubert casanova]

i have a nuovo falcone , and i love it.
you just need to appreciate it for what it is.
it is intended as a purely utilitarian means of transportation for the army.
built to last , and amazingly over engineered.
it is not supposed to be a sporty all rounder like the older bikes were.
the civil NF is a afterthought, and was never a succes.
so if you want a light back road rocket, get a aermacchi or a morini
350. you will be terribly disappointed by a NF
a NF isnt fast, but if you want to wind down a bit it is a pretty
perfect tourer.
just take your time changing gears , relax, and it will cruise
effordless at 110 km/h all day.
probably the closest you will get to a single cylinder goldwing.
in town keep it in top gear , and enjoy the 1000 rpm beat of the exhaust.

it has a few design faults if these are corrected they are
amazingly reliable too
i have used mine as a daily transport for a couple of years. ( over 50.000km)
i had one major breakdown , because i didnt adress the known faults.
now i wouldnt hesitate to take one for a around the world trip.

cheers,
hubert

>
>
> But... Is it just me... Or is anyone else really not appreciative of riding
> the New Falcones? The two I've worked on and ridden were, frankly.... Kind
> of seriously awful at anything above 35 mph. Awfull all around, really.
> Compared to 'any' of the 'original' singles... They SHOULD have been even
> better, at least the engines. In theory.
>
> It would be an interesting project to see if you could develop a really good
> engine out of a New. But expensive and possibly a waste of time and money?!?
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Restoration Werks
> Stephen Pate, Owner
>
> 1101 West Main Street
> Louisville, KY. 40203
>
> ste...@restorationwerks.com
> http://www.restorationwerks.com
>
>
>

[Gavin Bedggood]

I have had a Nuovo Falcone Sahara for 20 years. To give you some idea how
much I like it... if the day ever comes when I have to get down to one bike,
then it would be my Nuovo.... that means the MV four would go first....
It has tons of character in a soft friendly wooly sort of way. Good
handling and brakes and the engine feels like it's right out of the
1930's.... and I have electric start!
Great combination. The performance of the engine is not great, but it's
fun on a windy back road.... and the chassis out performs the motor which
means you can never over ride it... which makes it nice and relaxing to
ride.

I agree about the slow gearchange, it's an art to get it right. But once
you are in top gear you are normally their for the day!
I have yet to ride my Falcone Turismo for a direct comparison! :)

The older I get the more I like slower smaller bikes:)

Regards
Gavin

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[Stephen Pate]

Interesting. Good to hear. The ones I have ridden vibrated more than any bike I've ever been on.... Which is saying something.

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[Bill Irwin]

Gavin, Hubert, I believe you. My 10 minute 2-up ride in suburban Melbourne doesn't compare with 50000kms of experience. I remember more about the disappointment than the bike itself. Disappointment arises when expectation isn't met by reality. I was probably expecting a sports bike. I did find two modern singles later that fully met my expectations. A Honda GB500TT and a Gilera 500 Nuovo Saturno. Both sports bikes so maybe it's horses for courses or my bias. If the NF is thought of as the successor to the Superalce rather than the Falcone Sport then it makes more sense.

Cheers Bill

[Stephen Pate]

The only thing 'slowing down' a SA is the gearing, really. It, like other earlier platform 500 motors 500 s, GTV, GTW, etc etc were robust and smooth. Not terribly "sporting", but they were generally built well enough that they can be if the owner chooses to make them so.

The NF, did not strike me as sporting, but that was certainly NOT my expectation. I don't really care if a bike is sporting or not, generally speaking.... But I do care that they are well thought out and built.

It was not my impression the NF was well built. Nor well assembled. Basically... It was thrown together at the factory, and the riding experience reflected that. It had less smoothness, less performance and a weaker / poorer chassis than my old '37 500. Considering both bikes I workmen on we're original, lower miles and built in the 1970s.... I just found it to be a part of Guzzi's production that mystified me. Consider they were making the v7 sport at the same time and it gets ever 'weirder' to consider.

All that being said.... I've always wanted to take a NF and essentially re-engineer and remanufacture one for performance application. Which... I understand.... Makes me really weird!

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[Michael Moore]

> All that being said.... I've always wanted to take a NF and
> essentially re-engineer and remanufacture one for performance
> application. Which... I understand.... Makes me really weird!

Paul Friday's site covers NF tuning and has some photos of
interesting NF specials:

http://www.devce.demon.co.uk/falcone/tuning.htm

cheers,
Michael

[Stephen Pate]

Cool! Thanks ! I'll check it out.

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[hubert casanova]

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Stephen Pate
<ste...@restorationwerks.com> wrote:
> The only thing 'slowing down' a SA is the gearing, really. It, like other earlier platform 500 motors 500 s, GTV, GTW, etc etc were robust and smooth. Not terribly "sporting", but they were generally built well enough that they can be if the owner chooses to make them so.
>
> The NF, did not strike me as sporting, but that was certainly NOT my expectation. I don't really care if a bike is sporting or not, generally speaking.... But I do care that they are well thought out and built.

sporting is not the right description , a NF is built to last,
regardless of performance.
the crankshaft is a 10 kilo lump of solid cast iron, with a (plain
bearing) bigend bigger than the guzzi twins.
the flywheel on it own weighs in at over 10 kilo's
the gearbox has the widest gears i have ever seen in a bike.
the gearbox is built to last but also way too big to be able to do
quick gear changes.

>
> It was not my impression the NF was well built. Nor well assembled. Basically... It was thrown together at the factory, and the riding experience reflected that. It had less smoothness, less performance and a weaker / poorer chassis than my old '37 500. Considering both bikes I workmen on we're original, lower miles and built in the 1970s.... I just found it to be a part of Guzzi's production that mystified me. Consider they were making the v7 sport at the same time and it gets ever 'weirder' to consider.\


i own both ( an V7sport and a NF) the NF couldnt be more different.
it is a simple and reliable means of transportation.
the V7sport is a no compromise sport bike.
the v7sport would be just as useless as a army bike as the NF is as a
sporting bike.
not sure how you got the impression the NF was thrown together, mine
had one breakdown in 70.000 km.
( broken valve,the valve springs are way too strongif you dont modify
it it will snap a valve. )
apart from that it has been absolutely boringly reliable.

>
> All that being said.... I've always wanted to take a NF and essentially re-engineer and remanufacture one for performance application. Which... I understand.... Makes me really weird!
>
> Restoration Werks
> Stephen Pate, Owner
>
>

you will have a serious challenge making a NF into a performance bike.
first of all the gearbox is crude ( but unburstable)
you might as well rebuild a ural into a battle of twins racer.
it is probably possible, but what is the point?
virtually any engine is better suited for tuning than the NF engine.
i have been thinking about building a replica of a nineteen fifties
racer with a tuned NF engine.
i love the engineering of the fifties bike, with nice simple chassis ,
dustbin fairing and so on. and the NF engine is affordable.
not sure it will ever happen,
The current chassis is easily good enough for the NF performance as it
is, so building a new bike, just to find out the engine lacks power
is going to be frustrating.

cheers,
Hubert

[Miles Carnahan]

Isn't he the one that said the quickest way get speed out of it was to throw it off a cliff?

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[Stephen Pate]

I don't know.... But that's HILARIOUS.
I said that about a Vincent the other day. Hey... It 'IS' the quickest way!

What????

:-)

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[sldm...@aol.com]

You need to be in the right frame of mind to ride a Nuovo. Make
believe, you're on board...a Basset Hound.

SR

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[Michael Moore]

> You need to be in the right frame of mind to ride a Nuovo. Make
> believe, you're on board...a Basset Hound.

Lump Proof has a huge amount of vintage racer photos

http://www.lump-proof.com/CLASSIC/index.html

but they are also into "Basset Houndism"

http://www.lump-proof.com/BH/index.html

cheers,
Michael

[Eric Todd]

now thats a state of mind that im in half the time...
et

[Stephen Pate]

Nice!

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[Eric Todd]

Hey Stephen...more of Wiener dog state of mind!!
et

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Be careful if your ever in a fenced yard with a Basset Hound.....don't let those short legs fool you..

 

Tim

[Gavin Bedggood]

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> You need to be in the right frame of mind to ride a Nuovo. Make
> believe, you're on board...a Basset Hound.
>
> SR

Classic, and yes the right frame of mind is important!
No hurry to be had...

Notice the Nuovo on ebay sold for 8000US.
That seems a higher price than in the past. About time.

Regards
Gavin

[hubert casanova]

8000$ ? wow,
i should start polishing mine.
i would probably sell mine for half of that

cheers,
Hubert

[Rick]

Sounds like you guys were riding completely different lines of motorcycles.
I've never ridden one but I have owned a GB500 and if it feels sporting next to the NF then it (the NF) must be pretty slow. The GB while a nice bike to ride is sloooow and underpowered.

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[leafman60]

Okay guys.  I'm the one !  I'm the one who bought the N. Falcone that some of you are saying bad things about !

 

Lets see what you've said about the Nuovo Falcone  -  "chunkiness,"  "not a proper Falcone."  Oh, I really liked this one -  "seriously awful above 35 mph," "awful all-around."

 

Lololol.  I understand.  I understand.  I've been lectured before that Guzzi stopped making "real" motorcycles in about 1976 , BMW stopped making "real" motorcycles in 1968, Triumph in 1970 and on and on.

 

I am very familiar with the quaint old Guzzi Bacon Slicers but I actually WANTED one of the later models for a variety of reasons.  We shall see how it all turns out.

 

I do realize that many of you have great knowledge about these older machines and I respect that knowledge as a valued resource for me.

 

I do not yet have possession of my new acquisition but I will keep everyone posted about how awful I find it to be once I get it.

 

Thanks in advance!

[Gavin Bedggood]

Welcome new Nuovo owner!

I have had mine 20 years and love it....  don't forget the GOOD things some of us have said in the past week:)

 

I really love mine.  The comment about being in the right mind space to ride one is I think very true... they are a nice relaxed bike to ride and best on back roads.

If you have to get somewhere fast on a long straight road... they will sit on 70 mph all day but it's not relaxing!!

 

Have you got the bike yet?  Have you ridden it?

I would be happy to help you with what to expect and what not to do!

 

regards

Gavin

New Zealand

1976 Nuovo Falcone Sahara

1962 Falcone Turismo.

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[leafman60]

Yes Gavin.  I know.  Good things also said. Thanks.

 

By the way, my real name is David.

 

 

[antonio]

Hi there "leafman60", and welcome to this group. I have the tendency to
lurk in the wood work and like many other
people I am opinionated, specially when it comes to Guzzi singles. I
grew up with them and still have my
grandfather's sport15. I was around in Italy when the first Nuovo
Falcone came out. The first batch went to the
state police and they did not receive it with open arms mainly because
they had run Falcones into the ground
many times over and were and loved them to death.Understandable. I have
no opinion on the Nuovo simply
because I never rode one. But I have a string of old 500 guzzi singles
and I have opinions about them.
I expect there are some difference. I would be curious to hear you
comments on your new machine once you
have had a few miles on it. By the way, I am not sectarian about
motorcycles but I love large singles, of all
sorts. I also have a BMW R90S and I really like to ride the darn thing.
Stay in touch,
Zipolo.
P.S. What is your name?

[leafman60]

Thanks Zipolo !

 

By the way, is there a source for information on factory paint colors for the various N Falcones produced ?

[Gavin Bedggood]

Some of my advice for the new Nuovo owner would be.....

Once you get it running and you are going to put it in first, don't muck about with the gearlever... give it a good poke into first.

Move off in first and when you want to change to second, pull in the clutch and wait.... then wait some more and when the revs have died way down THEN poke it into second and open her up.  First to second is the worst change.

 

When in top gear practice feathering the throttle and slowly rolling it on out of corners and you will be amased the low revs you can get to and still ride away.... much to other peoples amazment.

 

Another thing you might know... to start them, full choke, no throttle, don't bother getting it onto compression.... just pull in the decomp lever give it a kick or push the button and when it's turning DROP the decomp lever and it will bonce off compression and come to life.  Easy.

 

Regards

Gavin

 

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[Alan Comfort]

Hello Dave,

One man's junk, another man's treasure. Good on you. If the opportunity to purchase a Nuovo Falcone ever comes my way, I will not hesitate. I have been smitten by my Astore/Falcone as of late, and the other bikes are languishing in the shed. 

Motorcyclists are an opinionated (and often conservative) lot. I guess that is part of our charm and what draws us to these utterly impractical machines.

Alan in Vancouver

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[leafman60]

I'm going to kick this thread into a new one dealing with Nuovo Falcone topics since I have some questions that I hope you guys can help with.

 

DL

[Rossi, Steven (CT13)]

I’ve got one as well, and I must admit…I ride it more than my ’55 Falcone. I live in Connecticut and will gladly send you a copy of what literature I have on it.

 

Steven Rossi

East Haddam, CT

 

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Okay guys.  I'm the one !  I'm the one who bought the N. Falcone that some of you are saying bad things about !

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[David]

Thanks Gavin !

[David]

Thanks Zipolo. Im David.

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[Rick]

Hello David and welcome to the group. Congrats on the new bike too regardless of what people point out about their weakness’.

I can’t say much, I only have a couple of Stornellos and one of those is a basket case. I do work on the bosses Falcone, when it rarely needs anything.

 

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Okay guys.  I'm the one !  I'm the one who bought the N. Falcone that some of you are saying bad things about !

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[Stephen Pate]

Yes, its not personal, nor just my opinion either.... I think I'm fairly objective... And I WANT to like them!!!  But..... Ill stick by what I said....seriously awful above 35 mph. Awful all around. 

Of course.... The two I've had thu my shop might have just been uniquely worse than all others. Never mind they were a low mile original and a rebuilt machine. 

Or, With my nearly incomprehensible lack of experience, maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about? 

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[Gavin Bedggood]

Steve,

What do you mean by awful.    I am not being a smart arse just interested in what factors you found awful to see what it might have been.

 

Regards

Gavin

 

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Mostly the general performance of the engine. Vibration, crude shifting, poor state of build quality in the engine overall.... Incredibly lacking suspension, brakes.... Etc etc etc. I'm not saying ANYTHING that is new here.... It's all been said... And a lot more. By people more significant than me. 

BUT.... I guess I expect more from Moto Guzzi, especially for the early 70s.  The Lodola felt sophisticated by comparison, as did my '37 500s. That's not good. 

Don't get me wrong .... ANY Guzzi is a Guzzi that I can appreciate, even love.... And the guy that just bought one should be very happy with his purchase. I would not turn one down if it was offered to me. That all being said... I can 'objectively' say it was lacking as a 1970s offering. I think that is a fair, non-critical statement. It is critique, rather than criticism for the sake of criticism. 

Well... They were very easy to start on the first kick nearly every time. That's a good thing. 

Restoration Werks

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[steven s.]

Interestingly, other than 'Vibration' and 'Poor State of Build Quality in the Engine Overall', all of Steve's Nuovo Falcone observations would also apply to our beloved, yet spongy Ambassador/Eldorado models, also from the early '70's.   Steven Seftel SLC, Utah --- On Thu, 8/23/12, Stephen Pate <ste...@restorationwerks.com> wrote:

[Gavin Bedggood]

Yes.  I think it can bee seen two ways... as a really crap 1970's bike or a really good 1930's bike!! :)

Especially the engine which has that vintage feel.

The chasiss was designed in the 1960's and it really 1950's tech.  For effectivly a 1950's design the brakes (when cleaned and set right) and suspension is fine for me and the engines performance.

 

I think that they were made for a different time and different roads.... which is why I seak out windy back roads with no place to be and just follow my nose to get the best fit for the bike.

 

The vibration on mine has never worried me, I do short shift into top as soon as I can and just stay their all day.... uphill hairpins two up??? Yup,,,, top gear.

BUT another Nuovo I rode I took right back to the owner after less than 1 mile and told him something was horribly wrong with it as it vibrated in a most unnatural way!

 

I must be a bitter twisted boy as I thought my MV750F4 was pretty awful!!!! lol   To bloody fast and smooth.  Horrible!

I am much happierat 55mph, firing at every lamp post:)

 

Regards

Gavin

 

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[Bill Irwin]

Hi Gavin

I know someone who'll swap you another NF for that horrible MV. 

Cheers 

Bill

[Gavin Bedggood]

lol   Sold the F4 a while ago... thought I would like it!  I was so fast and good in every dynamic way and just ended up "underriding" it 99.5% of the time.  It was a waste of a bike and zero challenge to ride.  Now,.... getting the best from a Nuovo Falcone IS a challenge and great fun. :)

Gavin

 

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[Bill Irwin]

I thought you were talking about your 750 Sport!

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lol   Sold the F4 a while ago... thought I would like it!  I was so fast and good in every dynamic way and just ended up "underriding" it 99.5% of the time.  It was a waste of a bike and zero challenge to ride.  Now,.... getting the best from a Nuovo Falcone IS a challenge and great fun. :)

Gavin

 

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Hi Gavin

I know someone who'll swap you another NF for that horrible MV. 

Cheers 

Bill

[Gavin Bedggood]

No no.... the Sport is slow, heavey and clunky JUST the way I like them:)

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I thought you were talking about your 750 Sport!

From: Gavin Bedggood <gav...@xtra.co.nz>
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lol   Sold the F4 a while ago... thought I would like it!  I was so fast and good in every dynamic way and just ended up "underriding" it 99.5% of the time.  It was a waste of a bike and zero challenge to ride.  Now,.... getting the best from a Nuovo Falcone IS a challenge and great fun. :)

Gavin

 

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Hi Gavin

I know someone who'll swap you another NF for that horrible MV. 

Cheers 

Bill

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[Stephen Farthing]

Guys,

I had a cute 350 MV Sport twin for a while with the full fairing - made in the 1970s to complete with the Yamaha RD 350. It was quite fast, very loud and without a doubt was the best handling oldish motorcycle I have ever ridden. But every time I started it.....which was quite a challenge as it was very temperamental....I thought the engine was going to explode, it sounded like a continuous set of explosions in a bucket of bolts. Blipping the throttle made it sound the real deal, close your eyes and you could imagine you were Agostini at Assen. But the whole thing was just too fragile for day to day use so i sold it to a collector. 

I also had a V50 Monza which I used day in, day out, for years. The build quality was not great but in every aspect it was a better motorcycle than the MV for road use. There is something very "agricultural" about the 1970s and 80s guzzis which I greatly admire. They go well and they are economical to run. And if they break they are fixable without spending too much money. 

Now I like to ride the old Falcone, and if a New Falcone came up at the right price I would probably buy it for every day use. The old one is very pretty and great to ride but if I park it and go shopping it probably won't be there when I get back. It's worth too much money and someone will steal it, or parts of it. But a NF, well, I don't think anyone would bother. 

I think my days of riding fast bikes are probably over, but I am very taken with the 250 Aprillia with the Valentino Rossi paint job in the local dealers, he also has a very nice and reasonably priced Ducati Pantah and for years I have wanted a 250 or 350 Ducati single. I had a 250 Mk3 once and boy that thing could fly. 

Cheers from an unusually sunny England,

Steve

[Stephen Pate]

Yeah.... Good point. 

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[hubert casanova]

>>>>>Mostly the general performance of the engine. Vibration, crude shifting, poor state of build quality in the engine overall.... Incredibly lacking suspension, brakes.... Etc etc etc. I'm not saying ANYTHING that is new here.... It's all been said... And a lot more. By people more significant than me. >>>>

apart from build quality you are right, suspension is crude ( actually the same suspension  as the V7)

brakes are adequate at best ( the V7 brakes are worse) 

vibration is not too bad if you keep it in ( very) low revs. 

if you are used to a twin it feels very unnatural to ride at 2000 rpm. 

fact is, any other single will outperform a nuovo falcone, even a tuned 50 cc scooter will. 

if you can live with that, they can be very rewarding to ride. 

riding around at 1000 rpm , listening to the slow lazy exhaust note is addictive. 

i fitted a smaller rear sprocket to get the revs down on the motorway, ( 31 instead of 35 teeth) 

i can still ride in top gear  in town 

it still pulls nicely leaving the town in top gear. 

works for me , but  my friends cant see the attraction of riding a falcone, 

they prefer their guzzi or BMW twins. 

i have a couple of guzzi twins, they only get used for long fast motorway trips. 

for other riding i prefer the NF or the enfield.

cheers, 

     Hubert

[Stephen Pate]

"riding around at 1000 rpm , listening to the slow lazy exhaust note is addictive. "

I sure agree with you there!

Stephen

[Alan Comfort]

It's always more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.

That's why there is an Astore sitting where my 850 LeMans used to be.

Alan in Vancouver

[antonio]

[Don-Spada]

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On Saturday, 18 August 2012 21:34:31 UTC+1, Restoration Werks wrote:

I 'get' the NR price... Sort of. Exotic engineering in many way... And materials usage, etc. 

But... Is it just me... Or is anyone else really not appreciative of riding the New Falcones? The two I've worked on and ridden were, frankly.... Kind of seriously awful at anything above 35 mph. Awfull all around, really. Compared to 'any' of the 'original' singles... They SHOULD have been even better, at least the engines. In theory. 

It would be an interesting project to see if you could develop a really good engine out of a New. But expensive and possibly a waste of time and money?!? 

Thoughts? 

Restoration Werks

Stephen Pate, Owner

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Louisville, KY. 40203

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On Aug 18, 2012, at 5:01 AM, Turismo <dod...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I saw this link on the Guzzi Wildgoose forum - looks good. I've noticed over here, dealer led as usual, that the Nuovo prices are moving up. Have seen a few with asking prices in the £6000 ($9000) region. A few years ago they were just not wanted. I could have bought a friends but hesitated as I have never quite liked the chunkiness, and decided to hold out for a 'proper' (oohh I'm in trouble) Falcone :-).

Mind you I have also just spotted an unused Honda NR750 on UK Ebay at £105000 ( YES - $165000!) - Mind you they also have a used one for £85000! 

On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:47:05 PM UTC+1, pehayes wrote:

Someone sent me this link.  I saw it last year at the Brooks estate auction.  I had known Ed Brooks.  When I saw it at the auction, the only flaw I could find was the huge scratch on the tank. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Moto-Guzzi-Nuovo-Falcone-Moto-Guzzi-500-Nuovo-Falcone-low-miles-unrestored-survivor-includes-short-/160863760893?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item25743a31fd

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

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