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Hi Bobby
We have to make sure that Effective food allergen management is not replaced with such information. In lot of cases it shows that company is not responsible and not able to manage food allergens.
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Guna Miskarova
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Hi Bobby
We have to make sure that Effective food allergen management is not replaced with such information. In lot of cases it shows that company is not responsible and not able to manage food allergens.
Best regards
Guna Miskarova
Exova Middle East
From: foodsaf...@googlegroups.com [mailto:foodsaf...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Krishna
Sent: 15 April 2012 02:09 PM
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Subject: Re: {Food Safety Dubai} Re: Allergen management model
Yes, people will allergy has to avoid eating from that place and they will if they read this. This is good communication.
Allan
There are many catering businesses and supermarkets in the UK providing clear guidance on foods that are free of specific allergens.
What are you recommending for Dubai? I presume you are not suggesting that persons suffering from allergens avoid purchasing food – or take pot luck?
There is a tremendous amount that can be done to reduce the risk to acceptable levels – starting with clear labelling and good communication.
Regards
Richard
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Richard,
This is not the UK.
Comparisons are somewhat invidious.
Frankly, at the moment , it is a case of pot luck.
Allergies are not an issue with the majority of people in the UAE.
It is a concern of a minority, predominately from the West/ South Africa and Australasia.
Talk to the chefs in the hotels and restaurants in Dubai and ask them which customers raise any issues about allergies. They are from these regions and they are a minority. Even then, a lot of them are not that sure exactly what they are allergic to or it is usually more fashionably, food intolerance, which of course is different from an allergy.
“I can’t have dairy but butter’s OK!”
I am not trying to trivialize the problems of those with serious life threatening allergies but if I had those problems, I would not visit anywhere outside of the UK!
Getting back to my main point, it is very difficult to achieve in the catering and hospitality industry here as Bobby has just reiterated.
Maybe the top end of the industry, 4/5 stars would be the place to start. What do they do already? From what I’ve seen on menus, etc. here , nothing.
But is it an issue here in the UAE? What does the industry say? Is traceability up to the mark in this region? Don’t think so.
Statements that , for example, say this food or dish MAY contain nuts would be valid but FREE of nuts as some correspondents have suggested, I think not.
I look forward to further discussion.
Allan
Allan
There are many catering businesses and supermarkets in the UK providing clear guidance on foods that are free of specific allergens.
What are you recommending for Dubai? I presume you are not suggesting that persons suffering from allergens avoid purchasing food – or take pot luck?
There is a tremendous amount that can be done to reduce the risk to acceptable levels – starting with clear labelling and good communication.
Regards
Richard
From: foodsafetydubai@googlegroups.com [mailto:foodsafetydubai@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bigal
Sent: 16 April 2012 11:40
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Subject: {Food Safety Dubai} Re: Allergen management model
Dear All,
Bobby is absolutely correct. We are talking microscopic quantities here.
In manufacturing, they effectively build a factory within a factory to try and eliminate any allergens.In the hospitality industry and in supermarkets,it is impossible to guarantee that any product is free of a specific allergen.
Allan,
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Dear Colleagues
I am really pleased that there appears to be support for improving allergen management in Dubai.
Allan you stated “In the hospitality industry and in supermarkets, it is impossible to guarantee that any product is free of a specific allergen” You didn’t state in Dubai, the UK or worldwide.
I am not making any comparisons just advising that things can be improved with commitment and training.
However, as you raised “comparisons” many of the larger businesses in Dubai are of a similar standard to the UK in fact some of the 4/5 star hotels and supermarkets have higher standards in certain areas than most countries throughout the world, including the UK. I would have thought that they would be keen to improve allergen management to the same standards.
Even if you are correct in stating “allergies are not an issue with the majority of people in the UAE” (and this may be for the reasons Bobby outlined) you should not disregard the importance of tourism and the number of tourists visiting Dubai/UAE. What impact do you think it would have on tourism when a couple of tourists die because of mistakes that could easily be avoided?
I cannot subscribe to “I have an allergy so I will not travel” – this does not seem right
There are indications that some businesses in Dubai are trying to improve allergen management. I was recently asked by the waiter in a fish Restaurant at the Atlantis whether I had any allergens – before I ordered my meal. On the other hand when I asked for a fruit salad without melon at another restaurant at the Atlantis, I was assured the fruit salad did not contain melon. I was served a fruit salad with water melon at the bottom. If I had had a serious allergy I could have been in trouble. This situation could easily have been avoided.
It may be difficult to have 100% assurance with suppliers but it is relatively simple to reduce the risks by ensuring that if people are allergic to a specific food they are not served it.
We can remove the majority of risks by starting with management commitment, good labelling, effective communication and staff training. Once we have the basics in place we can consider how to improve the supply chain.
Let us be positive and work together to raise standards. Allan said, referring to 4/5 star hotels, that from his experience “What do they do already? From what I’ve seen on menus, etc. here , nothing”. I do not believe this to be the case – let us have some examples of hotels that are tackling this problem.
HABC will make a start by organising a CPD event on allergen management. Any of you that have implemented allergen management systems in your business and would like to share your experience with other businesses – please contact me
Best wishes
Richard
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