Individual meters in society flats

[Prem Vir Singh]

Dear Sir,

I understand that Dwarka Forum has taken up the case with DERC/Govt of Delhi, for installing individual electric meters in the society Flats. We in our society AFNOE also intend to do that but our management is of the view that the individual meters system will have following disadvantages :-

"1. In case we go for individual meters the 10% rebate will get withdrawn. This rebate is being passed on to the residents. This will adversely affect the residents who use more than 400 units per month. Their number is over 75% of occupied flats in May and Jun 15. 

2. Society will have to provide place to BSES for installing sub station and transformers. BSES is not likely to accept the current location of our sub station. Installations in new place will spoil the aesthetics and lay out of the Society.  Complete re-cabling will involve digging up of society on a massive scale since all our cables are underground. The repairs to roads and gardens may take money and time to recoup.  

3. The role of MC in management of electricity to flats will vanish. For any problems residents will have to approach BSES. This can be to the disadvantage of the residents

4. For stand by power supply separate wiring and meters will have to be provided. Currently both the supplies are through a common meter which will have to be discontinued. Separate billing for using stand by power will have to be introduced. We will also have to provide space for additional 375 meters. 

The MC is of the view that the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages and hence it will not be advisable to fiddle with the existing system."

I want to request the hounrable members/residents of Dwarka, who possess the knowledge of the subject matter to give their views on advantages of this matter.The experts also may comment on the disadvantages of single meters as BROUGHT OUT BY AFNOE management on their correctness.

Regards,

Gp Capt P V Singh

9810815046

[sc arora]

After considering all the factors mentioned in the email, we had gone for individual electric meters from begining. All disadvantages  get more than  overcome by reasonable consumption of electricity by individual members. There is no problem of dealing with  BSES or maintenace. Society eletrician does the required maintenence. Every month individual members get BSES bills and they play directly. Play on line if so desire . By having one common electric meter, wastage of energy may be more than 10% rebate.

Brig S C Arora (Retd).

---

Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:10:51 +0530
Subject: [Dwarka Forum-] Individual meters in society flats
From: singh....@gmail.com
To: Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com; dwark...@indiatimes.com

--
Membership Application- Please visit...
http://www.dwarkaforum.org/self-support/
 
We are on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Dwarkaforum
DWARKA FORUM (Regd) www.dwarkaforum.org
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "DWARKA FORUM (Regd)" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dwarka-residen...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[shas...@gmail.com]

We should work towards getting equitable share in rebates given by government rather than investing more money on installing individual meters

Shashibhushan 

Sent from my iPhone

[Mahendra Kumar Gupta]

Sir, pl. inform the name of your society.

[sc arora]

Appu Enclave CGHS Ltd, Plot 3D, Sector 11, Dwarka. is the name and address.  Being the President of society, I shall be too happy to  share any information if required.

Brig S C Arora. (Retd).

---

Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:15:40 +0530
Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum-] Individual meters in society flats
From: mkgup...@gmail.com
To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com

[REJIMON C K]

I agree with Mr. Arora

The Individual meter is ideal as there is lot of issue Pros in that.. It may sound always catchy DISCOUNT %  but at the end what service and Reliable system and cooperative is important.

1. The issue of meter reading high or faulty and failure of supply individual is individual responsibility.

2. Second big benefit the Single Connection where in society have to invest a lot on Logistics and collection- As such our substantial % of citizen have more interested in DISCOUNT and NOT TO PAY attitude growing. Payment to BSES will become difficult and pool in money have to diverted for other who not paying.Then accounting the payments 

3. Those want 3 Phase Single Phase can apply and if the load increase the BSEs charges accordingly the individual member.

4 . Power SAVING may increase with individual Load and Direct payment-

I don't know much about the logic of New Transformer or cabling etc. If the same network of infra provide all flats with same transformer and same cable why it need to change ?

Yes for DG back up and BSES supply in this case have to two diffrent meters . The ideal is now go for Solar with GRID supply.. ie. The day time what ever extra the solar provide give it to BSES and at Night BSES supply back if there is any excess adjust the pay. It will take time but thats what going to work for future...

Thankfully this year LESS POWER CUT than previous years.. I hope so..

REJIMON C K.

Sent over wireless Network ... Google Nexus Phone.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/RejimonCK/180529618720807

 

 

[Surjit Chetal]

I am talking of sail cooperative society namely GREEN HEAVENS.Since I am an electrical engineer and was secy of the society from getting plot to allotment of flats I preffered  the single point connection at 11kv because

1.the quality of supply voltage at 230/440, wiring, meter cutouts were totally substandard from erstwhile DESU

2.By going for single point cnnection by installation of best equipments for sub station,good cables good quality distribution boards& meters the quality of voltage was ensured making use of voltage stablisers unnecessary.

DG sets with AMF panel ensured the outage of power not more than 1/2 a minute

3.With discount of 15% we cud supply electricity at less than DESU rate

4.our elected class being of scoundrel category they take pleasure in hurting the honest responsible tax payer citizens.They know this class can not fight for longAlthouh this issue was raised by me at public hearing to which I was invited by DERC

5 So far electric system is concerned it is absolutely fine

6If DF as a body takes it up things may work out

chetal sk

[Prem Vir Singh]

Dear Mr Rejimon,

As always, your inputs are very useful.

Regards,

Gp Capt P V Singh,retd

9810815046

AFNOE

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 3:48 PM, REJIMON C K <reji...@gmail.com> wrote:

This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (reji...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rule | More info

I agree with Mr. Arora

The Individual meter is ideal as there is lot of issue Pros in that.. It may sound always catchy DISCOUNT %  but at the end what service and Reliable system and cooperative is important.

1. The issue of meter reading high or faulty and failure of supply individual is individual responsibility.

2. Second big benefit the Single Connection where in society have to invest a lot on Logistics and collection- As such our substantial % of citizen have more interested in DISCOUNT and NOT TO PAY attitude growing. Payment to BSES will become difficult and pool in money have to diverted for other who not paying.Then accounting the payments 

3. Those want 3 Phase Single Phase can apply and if the load increase the BSEs charges accordingly the individual member.

4 . Power SAVING may increase with individual Load and Direct payment-

I don't know much about the logic of New Transformer or cabling etc. If the same network of infra provide all flats with same transformer and same cable why it need to change ?

Yes for DG back up and BSES supply in this case have to two diffrent meters . The ideal is now go for Solar with GRID supply.. ie. The day time what ever extra the solar provide give it to BSES and at Night BSES supply back if there is any excess adjust the pay. It will take time but thats what going to work for future...

Thankfully this year LESS POWER CUT than previous years.. I hope so..

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:35 AM, sc arora <sc_ar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

--

REJIMON C K.

Sent over wireless Network ... Google Nexus Phone.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/RejimonCK/180529618720807

 

 

--

[Mahendra Kumar Gupta]

?What is the outcome? Should v go for individual metres or the present system is OK?

[Arun Banerjee]

My opinion is as consumer and user we have the right to opt for individual flat meters in the name of the owner of the flat as is being done in the case of PNG connection.

If consumer has no say then where is consumer right? 

There must be option for BSES and other power distribution companies to go accept consumers choice of flat-wise meter in CGHS where it is non-existence and consumers want to change.

অরূণ ব্যানার্জী 

αrun ßanerjee

Dwarka

Use email save tree

(M) 9868227877

http://oroon.blogspot.com/

https://www.facebook.com/arun.banerjee.714

https://twitter.com/Banerji_D

[Anil Kundra]

Hello,

Thanks for information, Individual meter is always best. We at IDC, also have individual meters since beginning and it is 3 Phase 11KW individual load.

Thanks 
Sent from my iPhone

[Sanjeev Goyal]

Besides all above there are administrative issue as well. Like taking monthly reading, raising bills, collecting money depositing in bank, reconciliation, defaulters, dividing common area charges, handling complaints for faulty meters, collecting money from locked flats, handling emergency complaints during non-working hours, making reserve for maintenance/replacement of transformers etc. These may also paly a role in deciding to go for individual meter.

[Prem Vir Singh]

Thank you so much Brig SC Arora. Your inputs will be useful . Thank you.

Regards,

Gp Capt P V Singh,retd

9810815046

AFNOE, Sec 7 Dwarka 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:35 AM, sc arora <sc_ar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (sc_ar...@hotmail.com) Add cleanup rule | More info

Appu Enclave CGHS Ltd, Plot 3D, Sector 11, Dwarka. is the name and address.  Being the President of society, I shall be too happy to  share any information if required.

Brig S C Arora. (Retd).

---

Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:15:40 +0530

Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum-] Individual meters in society flats
From: mkgup...@gmail.com
To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com

[asok...@yahoo.co.in]

We are also considering this matter. We shall like some input from knowledgable members on the following-

1. For a Society with a single point connection, is it economically justifiable to change to individual meters.

2. What happens to infrastructure already developed, for which members have already paid?

3. What would be the fresh investment required?

A. K. Dua

Brahma CGHS,

Sec-7

Sent from my iPad

[SK MALIK]

Shifting of Electricity Installation will cost & incontinent

People with low consumption shall be given incentives

GB of society can decide

Charge from all members without discount of 10 % received from BSES

 

Pass half of bulk discount (5 %) to all consumers with consumption less than 400 units

 

Retain half of bulk discount (5 %) in Society account for welfare of all members.

 

and

Request the Delhi Govt to find a mechanism to pass subsidy in single point CGHS, if received distribute to eligible consumers.

 

---

From: Prem Vir Singh <singh....@gmail.com>
To: dwarka-residents <Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com>; dwark...@indiatimes.com
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: [Dwarka Forum-] Individual meters in society flats

[Rama N]

Getting individual connections is the BEST OPTION. There is nothing called FREE in this world !! When govt use to run electricity distribution, it was easy for them to raise one bill (opposed to 100s) - rebate of 15% is cost saving for the distribution company (administrative overhead gets transferred to society)... One important issue which we r all missing is the element of SERVICE TAX - many people r under the impression society is a pure agent hence service tax is not attracted - this is an open issue. In my opinion, if there is a common meter and society distribute electricity further to its members, it cannot be called a PURE AGENT to get service tax exemption... The threshold limit fixed is Rs. 5000 per member - given the tariff, I am sure with the maintenance charges ranging between 2000-3000 plus electricity charges, for every society with single meter, it will be crossing this limit. The service tax authorities may be sleeping now but knowing these guys, one fine day they will wake up !!!

[Sushil Kumar]

Society need mot to worry about Service Tax.To charge there must be a service provider and a service receiver.As per my understanding in case of CGHS both service provider and receivers are same and hence there should not be any question of ST.

Regards

Sushil

[SK MALIK]

 

SERVICE TAX ON CGHS etc

#1. If member Contribution is less than Rs.5000/month Service Tax not applicable to member. 

#2  If member contribution is more than Rs.5000/month, there is no exemption and Service Tax is applicable on full amount.  

#3 Service Tax is applicable only to the specific Members whose Contribution is more than Rs.5000/month. This goes to clarify the doubt that if in a Society 2 members have contribution exceeding Rs.5000, service tax need not be collected from all Members.  

#4 Threshold of Taxable Service by the Society of 10Lakh / Financial year to be eligible to collect Service Tax. 

#5 Non-Taxable service : Where service provider is acting as Pure agent those services comes under Non taxable services. E.g., if the Society is collecting Electricity Bill payment from Individual Flats and paying to the Govt without any added fee for it, the payment amount is not taxable.
However, it clarifies that Electricity Bill in the name of the RWA is under the purview of Service Tax.

---

From: Rama N <nram...@gmail.com>
To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 1 August 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum-] Individual meters in society flats

[Sanjeev Goyal]

In my view service tax is applicable moment per head collection exceeds Rs.5000/- month.  The principle of co-operative is applicable in income tax whereby income earned from members is tax free (not from others like bank interest, set top box rent, mother dairy rent, ATM rent etc.) but the same principle is not recognised by Service Tax authorities, I know some societies in NOIDA paying Service Tax..