Re: Looking for German Biohackers
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Matthias Bock
Oct 27, 2012, 4:28:58 PM10/27/12
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Hallo Gesa,
falls du noch suchst, es gibt wohl
jeden ersten Mittwoch im Monat ein
DIY Biologen-Treffen in der Raumfahrtagentur
http://www.raumfahrtagentur.org/
in Berlin.
LG, Matthias
falls du noch suchst, es gibt wohl
jeden ersten Mittwoch im Monat ein
DIY Biologen-Treffen in der Raumfahrtagentur
http://www.raumfahrtagentur.org/
in Berlin.
LG, Matthias
Günther Mulder
Oct 29, 2012, 4:55:13 AM10/29/12
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Hallo zusammen,
vielen Dank - das ist ein guter Tipp. Wir werden im Februar 2013 in Offenbach ein TEDx unter dem Motto "Curiosity" veranstalten - und ich würde dort auch gerne jemanden aus der DIYBio Bewegung in Deutschland einladen. Ich werde jetzt natürlich die raumfahrtagentur kontaktieren - aber falls ihr weitere Hinweise dazu habt, würde ich mich drüber freuen.
Viele Grüße
Günther
Ruediger Trojok
Apr 3, 2013, 7:19:43 PM4/3/13
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Hey everyone,
hereby i make public my work of the last 9 months (which is my Biology Diploma Thesis).
As soon as i find the time i will file a more in depth description of my work and idea.hereby i make public my work of the last 9 months (which is my Biology Diploma Thesis).
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I can also "recommend" a list of related publications.
If you want to use my work further, please invite me to contribute.
This project is ment to become an international open source drug discovery cooperation.
Rüdiger
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Marc Juul
Apr 4, 2013, 4:47:49 PM4/4/13
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Ruediger Trojok <ruedi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
I hope they will still consider the application :)The idea is with this email in the public domain. (1minute before I submit the proposal to Gates foundation)Hey everyone,As soon as i find the time i will file a more in depth description of my work and idea.
hereby i make public my work of the last 9 months (which is my Biology Diploma Thesis).
Looks very interesting! I've never heard of using genetically modified probiotics for birth control. Good luck with your application :)
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Awesome.
I'm curious. Assuming that you get lots of money thrown at you and everything is a success, what do you plan to with regards to patenting vs. keeping it open and how do you feel that keeping it open might affect efforts to bring such a product to market?
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I'm curious. Assuming that you get lots of money thrown at you and everything is a success, what do you plan to with regards to patenting vs. keeping it open and how do you feel that keeping it open might affect efforts to bring such a product to market?
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Dakota Hamill
Apr 4, 2013, 4:52:48 PM4/4/13
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I'm 99.9% sure the Gates foundation does not take solicitations from
individuals or for-profits.
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Paul Sebexen
Apr 5, 2013, 1:39:52 AM4/5/13
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The Gates Foundation does accept applications from for-profits for some (if not all) of their grants... the award process takes the form of periodic invoicing in contrast to a simple grant award in the case of a non-profit.
They do not accept applications from individuals though; an organizational affiliation is required (though many non-profits are happy to handle disbursement of a grant for you for a nominal overhead).
They do not accept applications from individuals though; an organizational affiliation is required (though many non-profits are happy to handle disbursement of a grant for you for a nominal overhead).
I know this information is valid for their Grand Challenges Explorations grants; I cannot speak to other programs.
Best,
Paul
Paul
Dakota Hamill
Apr 5, 2013, 10:42:56 AM4/5/13
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Good to know the for-profits still can be involved. I read through
the funding section FAQ and it just sounded like 90% of the time it
was "invite only" but it's good to know that here and there a few
great ideas can make it through and get funded. Grant writing is
something I"d like to learn to do, but dread doing. It takes away
from time spent in the lab!
I also didn't mean to come off as a pessimist in the last short
comment I made, I was more asking myself a rhetorical question out
loud, if that's even possible. I wish you all the best Ruediger, the
idea is an interesting one, and with drive and passion you can make it
happen!
the funding section FAQ and it just sounded like 90% of the time it
was "invite only" but it's good to know that here and there a few
great ideas can make it through and get funded. Grant writing is
something I"d like to learn to do, but dread doing. It takes away
from time spent in the lab!
I also didn't mean to come off as a pessimist in the last short
comment I made, I was more asking myself a rhetorical question out
loud, if that's even possible. I wish you all the best Ruediger, the
idea is an interesting one, and with drive and passion you can make it
happen!
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Ruediger Trojok
Apr 5, 2013, 4:13:38 PM4/5/13
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Hey Marc,
I thought about making this step since I first had the idea at the iGEM jamboree 2009 in the MIT... btw: some credit also goes to a mexican biology (probably ex-student by now). After the party we were joking about synthetic biology and what we could do with it... but later i reconsidered the idea and it turned out to be much more than a joke and really doable. Thats how this idea was born. I forgot the name of the mexican though.
He was someone of those people: http://2009.igem.org/Team:LCG-UNAM-Mexico/Team or http://2009.igem.org/Team:IPN-UNAM-Mexico/Team
I kept it for myself all the time waiting for a chance to develop it. Then I looked into patenting procedures
and startup stuff until I now made this decision to make it public. Basically the Gates foundation contract
claims all IP property when only submitting an idea. So I thought its best to have the IP it in the public domain before submitting :P
As far as I understand the legal situation, I now cannot patent it in europe anymore, but still in the US.
Maybe I would do it in the US to convince investors, but I am not very eager to do so.
If the concepts works as i imagine it, it would be a quite powerfull device, and there is a chance of abuse of that power. I really think we dont need a Monsanto type of company for human reproduction...
so i figured that it is probably most safe and more likely to have a beneficial outcome in the public domain.
Ideally, I can convince companies worldwide as well as public researchers to join forces and develop the thing together. For companies it would be beneficial since they would only need to pay a little share of the development costs but could start producing and selling relatively quickly. The WHO is, as far as i know, also interested in getting such developments done, so maybe they could pay the clinical trials, at least partially.
If someone would like to join in the project: It needs a website for researchers to share data and ideas about it.
I would upload all my labresults to it and then hope for others to join in. Some kind of crowdsourcing mechanism...
Of course this is a bit a naive and optimistic approach, but it is the best I can do, since I am not the director
of a big institute and dont see any clear path to get it going on my own without selling all the rights and then taking the risk of monopolistic abuse. And even for a bio startup it is a too big thing to tackle drug development.
Such an endeavour takes at least 10 years and approx. 500million dollars... Most entrepreneurs i talked to just keep their ideas secret, dont patent and then try to find someone who will buy it after a few years of development. So only really big companies can bring it all the way to the market.... or really many small people alltogether ( the linux style). lets see what happens, it is an open-source biotech experiment :)
Another reason not to patent is: it is a pain in the ass and i did not study biology for 7 years to torture my brain with law and bureaucrazy. All professors I talked to (including the golden rice inventor Peter Beyer) said they did it once and never again... so that speaks for itself, i'd say. I want to travel, meet cool people and develop sciency stuff that benefits mankind altogether. Nothing against having a decent ammount of money, but i just dont need to die super rich in the end...there is no reason for that and I only have one lifetime, so why wasting it by obsessing about money and all these unpleasent activities that come along with it. Reproduction is much cooler topic to wrap your mind around - and much more important, either :D
I just need someone to pay my further research...so if Bill doesnt want my idea, does anyone know
where to find funding for stuff like that? At best just ask all your profs and pharma people around you if they want to contribute or have a good suggestion how to proceed.
I thought about making this step since I first had the idea at the iGEM jamboree 2009 in the MIT... btw: some credit also goes to a mexican biology (probably ex-student by now). After the party we were joking about synthetic biology and what we could do with it... but later i reconsidered the idea and it turned out to be much more than a joke and really doable. Thats how this idea was born. I forgot the name of the mexican though.
He was someone of those people: http://2009.igem.org/Team:LCG-UNAM-Mexico/Team or http://2009.igem.org/Team:IPN-UNAM-Mexico/Team
I kept it for myself all the time waiting for a chance to develop it. Then I looked into patenting procedures
and startup stuff until I now made this decision to make it public. Basically the Gates foundation contract
claims all IP property when only submitting an idea. So I thought its best to have the IP it in the public domain before submitting :P
As far as I understand the legal situation, I now cannot patent it in europe anymore, but still in the US.
Maybe I would do it in the US to convince investors, but I am not very eager to do so.
If the concepts works as i imagine it, it would be a quite powerfull device, and there is a chance of abuse of that power. I really think we dont need a Monsanto type of company for human reproduction...
so i figured that it is probably most safe and more likely to have a beneficial outcome in the public domain.
Ideally, I can convince companies worldwide as well as public researchers to join forces and develop the thing together. For companies it would be beneficial since they would only need to pay a little share of the development costs but could start producing and selling relatively quickly. The WHO is, as far as i know, also interested in getting such developments done, so maybe they could pay the clinical trials, at least partially.
If someone would like to join in the project: It needs a website for researchers to share data and ideas about it.
I would upload all my labresults to it and then hope for others to join in. Some kind of crowdsourcing mechanism...
Of course this is a bit a naive and optimistic approach, but it is the best I can do, since I am not the director
of a big institute and dont see any clear path to get it going on my own without selling all the rights and then taking the risk of monopolistic abuse. And even for a bio startup it is a too big thing to tackle drug development.
Such an endeavour takes at least 10 years and approx. 500million dollars... Most entrepreneurs i talked to just keep their ideas secret, dont patent and then try to find someone who will buy it after a few years of development. So only really big companies can bring it all the way to the market.... or really many small people alltogether ( the linux style). lets see what happens, it is an open-source biotech experiment :)
Another reason not to patent is: it is a pain in the ass and i did not study biology for 7 years to torture my brain with law and bureaucrazy. All professors I talked to (including the golden rice inventor Peter Beyer) said they did it once and never again... so that speaks for itself, i'd say. I want to travel, meet cool people and develop sciency stuff that benefits mankind altogether. Nothing against having a decent ammount of money, but i just dont need to die super rich in the end...there is no reason for that and I only have one lifetime, so why wasting it by obsessing about money and all these unpleasent activities that come along with it. Reproduction is much cooler topic to wrap your mind around - and much more important, either :D
I just need someone to pay my further research...so if Bill doesnt want my idea, does anyone know
where to find funding for stuff like that? At best just ask all your profs and pharma people around you if they want to contribute or have a good suggestion how to proceed.
WildDIYNerd
Jul 8, 2013, 9:48:30 AM7/8/13
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Hallo zusammen, Hallo Günther,
wir versuchen gerade biogarage.de @biogarage
https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/118328088681211953650/
zu etablieren.
Wir freuen uns sehr über Mitstreiter und Kontakte aller Art.
Erster Schritt: eine einigermaßen seriöse webpage, ONLINE ab Juli 2013
Zweiter Schritt: Wir führen seit geraumer Zeit Gespräche mit Wissenschaftlern und Businessmenschen;
Innovative Grüße,
Erich et al.
wir versuchen gerade biogarage.de @biogarage
https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/118328088681211953650/
zu etablieren.
Wir freuen uns sehr über Mitstreiter und Kontakte aller Art.
Erster Schritt: eine einigermaßen seriöse webpage, ONLINE ab Juli 2013
Zweiter Schritt: Wir führen seit geraumer Zeit Gespräche mit Wissenschaftlern und Businessmenschen;
Innovative Grüße,
Erich et al.
WildDIYNerd
Jul 8, 2013, 9:50:49 AM7/8/13
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Hallo Gesa,
etwas späte Antwort ;-)
wir gehen im Juli online, mehr gerne auf Wunsch;
https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/118328088681211953650/
@biogarage biogarage.de
Innovative Grüße,
Erich et al.
Am Donnerstag, 16. August 2012 10:23:31 UTC+2 schrieb Gesa:
etwas späte Antwort ;-)
wir gehen im Juli online, mehr gerne auf Wunsch;
https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/118328088681211953650/
@biogarage biogarage.de
Innovative Grüße,
Erich et al.
Hey there!I am a science journalist working for "bild der wissenschaft". I came across Biohacking a lot of times this year and I think it's very interesting. Now I am looking for biohackers in Germany (doesn't matter where) I could visit and talk to. It would be great for our readers if they could feel like they are standing next to a hacker while reading - and therefore I want to see whats really going on in your "garage labs".So is that possible for anyone? Or do you know anyone who would like to be interviewed by me?I am looking forward to your help!Thanks a lot, Gesa
Ravasz
Jul 9, 2013, 6:02:17 AM7/9/13
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I live in Germany and do biohacking but I'm not that good at writing in German. Do I still count? :)
If so, we are in the process of establishing the Munich DIYbio group, and would love to keep in touch.
If so, we are in the process of establishing the Munich DIYbio group, and would love to keep in touch.
Günther Mulder
Jul 10, 2013, 5:31:51 AM7/10/13
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Hallo,
vielen Dank - ich schau mir das an, bin gespannt was ihr macht. Wir werden im November ein TEDx Youth in Frankfurt veranstalten - falls Ihr Interesse habt, da einen Talk und Workshop zu machen, wollten wir mal drüber reden.
Cheers
Günther
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