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Arlen Holder
Jun 21, 2020, 1:34:00 PM6/21/20
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For the permanent Usenet record, one of the Type III apologists (Alan
Baker) recently infested a "search" thread on the Windows 10 newsgroup,
where no matter what was said, Alan claimed Apple does everything better.
That's fine... but for the permanent Usenet record, what's important to
_this_ thread on the insight into why Apple apologists are such strange
people, these posts today by VanguardLH and Mayayana are illustrative of a
different angle on the strange mind of the Apple apologists.
o *Why is search so brain dead these days?*
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/tHNllec9/why-is-search-so-brain-dead-these-days>
What you'll see below is how others (independent of me) characterize,
instantly, the Apple Apologists as "_inane children_" with an obvious
"_cult mentality_", and where adults quickly concluded the apologist
Alan Baker lacked "_reading comprehension_" capabilities.
Additionally, the concept that the Apple cult only believes what MARKETING
fed them to believe is _threatened_ by facts, also shows up in Mayayana's
characterizions below.
Synopses:
1. OP, Yousef Khan, asks for a solution to crappy Windows native search.
2. Plenty of people post purposefully helpful freeware solutions.
(Many of which were quite detailed and which took energy to compose.)
3. Alan Baker spends zero energy posting this un-helpful suggestion:
"*I suggest you try out a modern Mac and its Spotlight facility.*"
4. To which, pointedly, for one, Mayayana responds, as any adult might:
"But can Spotlight find it all on Windows?
I use Agent Ransack. It finds text in files, file name segments, etc,
at an amazing speed, and I don't need indexing...
5. Where Paul purposefully helpfully clarifies:
"Agent Ransack (a brute force [free] program), doesn't hook the journal.
It doesn't keep indexes, either filename only indexes (Everything.exe)
or filename+content indexes (Windows Search)."
6. To which, the apologist Alan Baker responds:
"*So they copied Spotlight!*"
7. Also responding to #3 Alan Baker above, VanguardLH points out:
"[Spotlight] is not a solution. Does nothing to address the problem.
Go inhabit your Mac newsgroups and stop bothering those using a
different OS than your choice."
8. To which the apologist Alan Baker purposefully unhelpfully responds:
"*I'll educate you about how much better it could be for you.*"
9. To which VanguardLH correctly characterizes Alan Baker as an...
"_inane child_"
More to the point of insight into the psychology of Apple Apolotists
10. Mayayana characterizes Alan Baker's responses to date as:
"This is actually another symptom of AppleSeed indoctrination.
Since they're a cult they assume Windows users are a cult.
They also see the hardware as part of the product.
That's why so many of them refer to "Wintel".
Macs are maybe 8% of the market, but most Mac users see it as a clash
of the titans.
Their monolithic device provider, Apple, vs the opposing, monolithic
device provider, Wintel. So, while we mostly don't think about Macs,
because there's simply no reason to, they're constantly thinking about
Wintel, their imagined competitor.
So Alan thinks the plural "you" is attacking the AppleSeed home base.
11. At around this point, VanguardLH realizes what apologists are, saying:
"Ah, [not only are you, Alan Baker, an inane child] you also have a
reading comprehension defect, too."
12. To which, shockingly, the Alan Baker apologist responds inanely:
"*Still not seeing how I failed of reading comprehension.*
*If you hook up a Windows formatted disk to a Mac, you can get*
*spotlight to index it and it will perform its usual continuous*
*indexing process."*
Finally, exasperated with this strange behavior of Apple apologists...
13. Mayana offers us this valuable insight into the "cult" mindset:
[Alan Baker is] an AppleSeed. Their knowledge consists of marketing
nuggets from Lord Jobs and disciple-in-chief Timmy Cook.
They'll always have a comeback because Apple marketing has trained them
in how to believe that Macs are better than anything else in the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if Advanced AppleSeed Training includes a
specific list of answers for Windows doubters, just like any good cult
has:
Q: "But I can use any one of 4 free programs on Windows to do XYZ.
What about Macs?"
A1: "The Apple version only costs $70 and it's much better."
A2 (inspired by Linux fanatics): "If you can't do it on a Mac
then you don't need it."
In summary, it's useful to see how others characterize, instantly, the
Apple Apologists as "_inane children_" with a "_cult mentality_", where
others who were being purposefully helpful in that thread quickly concluded
the apologist Alan Baker lacked "_reading comprehension_" capabilities.
Additionally, the concept that the Apple cult only believes what MARKETING
fed them to believe is _threatened_ by facts, also shows up in Mayayana's
characterizions above.
--
It's quite revealing that all adults assess these apologists similarly.
Baker) recently infested a "search" thread on the Windows 10 newsgroup,
where no matter what was said, Alan claimed Apple does everything better.
That's fine... but for the permanent Usenet record, what's important to
_this_ thread on the insight into why Apple apologists are such strange
people, these posts today by VanguardLH and Mayayana are illustrative of a
different angle on the strange mind of the Apple apologists.
o *Why is search so brain dead these days?*
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/tHNllec9/why-is-search-so-brain-dead-these-days>
What you'll see below is how others (independent of me) characterize,
instantly, the Apple Apologists as "_inane children_" with an obvious
"_cult mentality_", and where adults quickly concluded the apologist
Alan Baker lacked "_reading comprehension_" capabilities.
Additionally, the concept that the Apple cult only believes what MARKETING
fed them to believe is _threatened_ by facts, also shows up in Mayayana's
characterizions below.
Synopses:
1. OP, Yousef Khan, asks for a solution to crappy Windows native search.
2. Plenty of people post purposefully helpful freeware solutions.
(Many of which were quite detailed and which took energy to compose.)
3. Alan Baker spends zero energy posting this un-helpful suggestion:
"*I suggest you try out a modern Mac and its Spotlight facility.*"
4. To which, pointedly, for one, Mayayana responds, as any adult might:
"But can Spotlight find it all on Windows?
I use Agent Ransack. It finds text in files, file name segments, etc,
at an amazing speed, and I don't need indexing...
5. Where Paul purposefully helpfully clarifies:
"Agent Ransack (a brute force [free] program), doesn't hook the journal.
It doesn't keep indexes, either filename only indexes (Everything.exe)
or filename+content indexes (Windows Search)."
6. To which, the apologist Alan Baker responds:
"*So they copied Spotlight!*"
7. Also responding to #3 Alan Baker above, VanguardLH points out:
"[Spotlight] is not a solution. Does nothing to address the problem.
Go inhabit your Mac newsgroups and stop bothering those using a
different OS than your choice."
8. To which the apologist Alan Baker purposefully unhelpfully responds:
"*I'll educate you about how much better it could be for you.*"
9. To which VanguardLH correctly characterizes Alan Baker as an...
"_inane child_"
More to the point of insight into the psychology of Apple Apolotists
10. Mayayana characterizes Alan Baker's responses to date as:
"This is actually another symptom of AppleSeed indoctrination.
Since they're a cult they assume Windows users are a cult.
They also see the hardware as part of the product.
That's why so many of them refer to "Wintel".
Macs are maybe 8% of the market, but most Mac users see it as a clash
of the titans.
Their monolithic device provider, Apple, vs the opposing, monolithic
device provider, Wintel. So, while we mostly don't think about Macs,
because there's simply no reason to, they're constantly thinking about
Wintel, their imagined competitor.
So Alan thinks the plural "you" is attacking the AppleSeed home base.
11. At around this point, VanguardLH realizes what apologists are, saying:
"Ah, [not only are you, Alan Baker, an inane child] you also have a
reading comprehension defect, too."
12. To which, shockingly, the Alan Baker apologist responds inanely:
"*Still not seeing how I failed of reading comprehension.*
*If you hook up a Windows formatted disk to a Mac, you can get*
*spotlight to index it and it will perform its usual continuous*
*indexing process."*
Finally, exasperated with this strange behavior of Apple apologists...
13. Mayana offers us this valuable insight into the "cult" mindset:
[Alan Baker is] an AppleSeed. Their knowledge consists of marketing
nuggets from Lord Jobs and disciple-in-chief Timmy Cook.
They'll always have a comeback because Apple marketing has trained them
in how to believe that Macs are better than anything else in the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if Advanced AppleSeed Training includes a
specific list of answers for Windows doubters, just like any good cult
has:
Q: "But I can use any one of 4 free programs on Windows to do XYZ.
What about Macs?"
A1: "The Apple version only costs $70 and it's much better."
A2 (inspired by Linux fanatics): "If you can't do it on a Mac
then you don't need it."
In summary, it's useful to see how others characterize, instantly, the
Apple Apologists as "_inane children_" with a "_cult mentality_", where
others who were being purposefully helpful in that thread quickly concluded
the apologist Alan Baker lacked "_reading comprehension_" capabilities.
Additionally, the concept that the Apple cult only believes what MARKETING
fed them to believe is _threatened_ by facts, also shows up in Mayayana's
characterizions above.
--
It's quite revealing that all adults assess these apologists similarly.
Alan Baker
Jun 21, 2020, 2:51:25 PM6/21/20
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On 2020-06-21 10:33 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> For the permanent Usenet record, one of the Type III apologists (Alan
> Baker) recently infested a "search" thread on the Windows 10 newsgroup,
> where no matter what was said, Alan claimed Apple does everything better.
Nope. I said nothing like that.
> For the permanent Usenet record, one of the Type III apologists (Alan
> Baker) recently infested a "search" thread on the Windows 10 newsgroup,
> where no matter what was said, Alan claimed Apple does everything better.
I said that Spotlight works better than Windows included search
functionality.
>
> That's fine...
And yet here you are whining about it. :-)
Arlen Holder
Jun 23, 2020, 9:11:36 PM6/23/20
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:33:59 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
> o *Why is search so brain dead these days?*
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/tHNllec9/why-is-search-so-brain-dead-these-days>
UPDATE:
> o *Why is search so brain dead these days?*
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/tHNllec9/why-is-search-so-brain-dead-these-days>
For the benefit of the permanent Usenet record, this post, from that thread
today, verbatim from this line down, gives further insight into the strange
psychology of the Apple Apologist, in this case, where what's important is
that others, not just me, notice how strange these Apple Apologists are;
they're not like normal people.
Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> "Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
[Technical stuff deleted.]
> | So I have to ask again: Are you sure you aren't one of nospam's
> | socks!? :-(
> |
>
> Yes, but look who keeps arguing with him. :)
Yes, I'm sorry to realize that I did go full circle with him, but at
least it was only one circle! :-)
> Alan Baker
> has even proclaimed that he's only here to be a
> dimwitted irritant. He apparently has some kind of
> grudge about a Windows person who was showing
> up in a Mac group, so he decided to take revenge.
Yes, he chased that person (if I'm right about who his main target is)
around like there's no tomorrow, but at least that person deserves
what's coming to him. At first, he marked these responses with 'OT', so
people could ignore/filter them, but AFAICT he stopped doing that.
> (Like so many AppleSeeds, he thinks "Wintel" and
> Mac are locked in mortal combat.) Or maybe that's an
> excuse to extend his endless thirst for argument.
Yes, they seem to feel the need to prove the alleged superiority of
their tools and to attack anything else.
As you said, there is no such thing as 'Wintel' people. We just use
Windows. If it works, great. If it doesn't work, not so great and we
will be the first to complain, etc. about it. These groups are the very
proof of that.
Contrary to what some Apple fanbois believe, I don't 'hate' Apple at
all. Their products just don't run the software I need/want and aren't
in the price range [1] I'm willing to pay.
Macs, Chromebooks and Linux just aren't an option for me, period.
[1] Not using the - plain English - term 'expensive', to (try to? :-))
preempt another rant from one of them.
Arlen Holder
Jun 23, 2020, 9:25:07 PM6/23/20
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UPDATE on the strange psychology of Appleseeds, from others (not from me!)
BTW, Ant, who is often on the Apple ngs, is on that same thread, and where
I haven't categorized Ant as an apologist, and, not surprisingly, Ant's
posts on that Windows ng are quite "normal" for that Windows newsgroup.
But not the strange apologists, in this case, nospam & Alan Baker.
Within just a few threads (Alan Baker is apparently stalking me around the
Internet), _multiple_ people who are no friend of mine in fact, have
quickly NOTICED how fantastically _strange_ these Apple Apologists nospam
and Alan Baker truly are.
Apologists are quite unlike normal people.
As you know by now I've studied the apologists, and classified them into
three types, where they have common traits, but also differences (e.g.,
nospam doesn't believe a word he says while Jolly Roger, Lewis, Joerg
Lorenz and Alan Baker, shockingly, actually _believe_ what they write).
What's interesting is that people on that Windows newsgroup, which Alan
Baker has recently infested, within one or two threads, are also noticing
how _similar_ the apologists nospam and Alan Baker are, to wit, where
everything below is verbatim (unrelated stuff snipped out):
--- Frank Slootweg to Alan Baker ---
From: Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Subject: Re: Why is search so brain dead these days?
Date: 23 Jun 2020 13:34:18 GMT
Message-ID: <rct7dh...@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
Alan Baker <notony...@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> That insists on a correlation between indexing and the journal that
> doesn't exist.
Nope. Paul did not state nor imply that.
> Read it as many times as you need until you understand that there is no
> "because". You can have an index without hooking into the journal.
> That's just a fact.
Yes, that's obviously true, but - *in context* - that's not what Paul
said or implied.
Hope you realize by now that taking something out of context, often -
and even nearly always - leads to incorrect conclusions/assumptions/
<whatever>.
So I have to ask again: Are you sure you aren't one of nospam's
socks!? :-(
Anyway, if you want to argue this further, take it up with Paul.
EOD.
--- Mayayana to Frank Slootweg about Alan Baker ---
From: Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Subject: Re: Why is search so brain dead these days?
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 10:24:29 -0400
Message-ID: <rct3c3$alq$1...@dont-email.me>
| So I have to ask again: Are you sure you aren't one of nospam's
| socks!? :-(
Yes, but look who keeps arguing with him. :)
BTW, Ant, who is often on the Apple ngs, is on that same thread, and where
I haven't categorized Ant as an apologist, and, not surprisingly, Ant's
posts on that Windows ng are quite "normal" for that Windows newsgroup.
But not the strange apologists, in this case, nospam & Alan Baker.
Within just a few threads (Alan Baker is apparently stalking me around the
Internet), _multiple_ people who are no friend of mine in fact, have
quickly NOTICED how fantastically _strange_ these Apple Apologists nospam
and Alan Baker truly are.
Apologists are quite unlike normal people.
As you know by now I've studied the apologists, and classified them into
three types, where they have common traits, but also differences (e.g.,
nospam doesn't believe a word he says while Jolly Roger, Lewis, Joerg
Lorenz and Alan Baker, shockingly, actually _believe_ what they write).
What's interesting is that people on that Windows newsgroup, which Alan
Baker has recently infested, within one or two threads, are also noticing
how _similar_ the apologists nospam and Alan Baker are, to wit, where
everything below is verbatim (unrelated stuff snipped out):
--- Frank Slootweg to Alan Baker ---
From: Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Subject: Re: Why is search so brain dead these days?
Date: 23 Jun 2020 13:34:18 GMT
Message-ID: <rct7dh...@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
Alan Baker <notony...@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> That insists on a correlation between indexing and the journal that
> doesn't exist.
Nope. Paul did not state nor imply that.
> Read it as many times as you need until you understand that there is no
> "because". You can have an index without hooking into the journal.
> That's just a fact.
Yes, that's obviously true, but - *in context* - that's not what Paul
said or implied.
Hope you realize by now that taking something out of context, often -
and even nearly always - leads to incorrect conclusions/assumptions/
<whatever>.
So I have to ask again: Are you sure you aren't one of nospam's
socks!? :-(
EOD.
--- Mayayana to Frank Slootweg about Alan Baker ---
From: Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Subject: Re: Why is search so brain dead these days?
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 10:24:29 -0400
Message-ID: <rct3c3$alq$1...@dont-email.me>
| So I have to ask again: Are you sure you aren't one of nospam's
| socks!? :-(
Yes, but look who keeps arguing with him. :)
Alan Baker has even proclaimed that he's only here to be a dimwitted
irritant. He apparently has some kind of grudge about a Windows person
who was showing up in a Mac group, so he decided to take revenge.
irritant. He apparently has some kind of grudge about a Windows person
who was showing up in a Mac group, so he decided to take revenge.
Alan Baker
Jun 25, 2020, 1:57:31 PM6/25/20
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Arlen Holder
Jun 28, 2020, 12:17:24 PM6/28/20
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UPDATE:
o Amazing what Windows still doesn't do well.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 08:16:07 -0700 (PDT), Thomas E. wrote:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI/GM3-w34kAwAJ>
> Apple forces you to get an Apple ID to make an iOS device useful.
> If you want to sync your Edge browser across multiple devices
> you need at least a Live account. That's what I use for Windows 10
> and my Apple phone and tablet. It takes all of 2 minutes to set up.
> Finally, Liarboy, you can set Windows 10 without a Microsoft account,
> you are NOT forced.
> A simple Bing search on "set up windows 10 with no sign in" found this:
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/set-up-windows-10-without-account/d7c08c1a-0fcc-49ac-96ac-297879dbee6f
> Your ignorance of Windows continues to amaze and delight!
Hi Thomas E.,
As you noted, it's only on iOS that not only _must_ you have an Apple ID
for even basic functionality of downloading apps, but concurrently, you
must have the privacy hole of an "advertiser id".
It's quite rare, on this newsgroup, to have anyone like you who actually
understands the facts, where my hat is off to you for trying to knock sense
into the Apple apologists.
Alan Baker is, at once, a cultist for Apple par excellence, dunning kruger
far-to-the-left first quadrant, and what I call a "Type III" apologist
(i.e., shockingly, he's not pulling your legs - he actually _believes_ what
he writes!).
*Notice what Alan Baker claims is mutually exclusive (i.e., doublespeak).*
o Windows, he thinks, requires a login in order to be functional (he
thinks)
o The iPhone, he claims, is functional without a login (which it's
definitely not).
Notice apologists are quite unlike normal people.
o They're bamboozled by MARKETING such that they can't comprehend facts.
I've noticed almost all Apple users appear to so bamboozled by their
imaginary belief system that they literally think, in doublespeak!
a) They want to think Apple is very different, and yet,
b) They constantly excuse Apple for doing exactly what everyone else does.
BTW, I have Windows 10 Pro, and Windows 10 Home on a variety of machines,
_none_ of which have a Microsoft account.
And, of course, on Android, there's absolutely no need to set the phone to
an account for _full_ functionality (e.g., Google Play works just fine via
the many anonymous scrapers such as the Aurora Store).
NOTE: That means the "advertiser ID" simply does not exist on Android!
It's only on iOS that not only _must_ you have an Apple ID for even basic
functionality of downloading apps, but concurrently, you must have the
privacy hole of an "advertiser id".
--
Bringing TRUTH to Usenet newsgroups by logic & application of fact.
o Amazing what Windows still doesn't do well.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 08:16:07 -0700 (PDT), Thomas E. wrote:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI/GM3-w34kAwAJ>
> Apple forces you to get an Apple ID to make an iOS device useful.
> If you want to sync your Edge browser across multiple devices
> you need at least a Live account. That's what I use for Windows 10
> and my Apple phone and tablet. It takes all of 2 minutes to set up.
> Finally, Liarboy, you can set Windows 10 without a Microsoft account,
> you are NOT forced.
> A simple Bing search on "set up windows 10 with no sign in" found this:
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/set-up-windows-10-without-account/d7c08c1a-0fcc-49ac-96ac-297879dbee6f
> Your ignorance of Windows continues to amaze and delight!
Hi Thomas E.,
As you noted, it's only on iOS that not only _must_ you have an Apple ID
for even basic functionality of downloading apps, but concurrently, you
must have the privacy hole of an "advertiser id".
It's quite rare, on this newsgroup, to have anyone like you who actually
understands the facts, where my hat is off to you for trying to knock sense
into the Apple apologists.
Alan Baker is, at once, a cultist for Apple par excellence, dunning kruger
far-to-the-left first quadrant, and what I call a "Type III" apologist
(i.e., shockingly, he's not pulling your legs - he actually _believes_ what
he writes!).
*Notice what Alan Baker claims is mutually exclusive (i.e., doublespeak).*
o Windows, he thinks, requires a login in order to be functional (he
thinks)
o The iPhone, he claims, is functional without a login (which it's
definitely not).
Notice apologists are quite unlike normal people.
o They're bamboozled by MARKETING such that they can't comprehend facts.
I've noticed almost all Apple users appear to so bamboozled by their
imaginary belief system that they literally think, in doublespeak!
a) They want to think Apple is very different, and yet,
b) They constantly excuse Apple for doing exactly what everyone else does.
BTW, I have Windows 10 Pro, and Windows 10 Home on a variety of machines,
_none_ of which have a Microsoft account.
And, of course, on Android, there's absolutely no need to set the phone to
an account for _full_ functionality (e.g., Google Play works just fine via
the many anonymous scrapers such as the Aurora Store).
NOTE: That means the "advertiser ID" simply does not exist on Android!
It's only on iOS that not only _must_ you have an Apple ID for even basic
functionality of downloading apps, but concurrently, you must have the
privacy hole of an "advertiser id".
--
Bringing TRUTH to Usenet newsgroups by logic & application of fact.
Arlen Holder
Jun 29, 2020, 6:15:30 PM6/29/20
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:36:44 -0700 (PDT), Thomas E. wrote:
> He just wants to bitch, not look for solutions that are dead easy to find
Hi Thomas E.,
Regarding this thread:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
Actually it's worse than "he just wants to bitch".
o *Shockingly, Alan Baker actually _believes_ what he wrote!*
He's a Type III apologist, similar to Jolly Roger, Lewis, Chris, BK, Joerg
Lorenz, et al., where their entire _identity_ is wrapped up in Apple's
MARKETING messaging.
Apple knows these Type III apologists far better than they know themselves.
Apple MARKETING constantly feeds them exactly what they want to hear, about
what they fear most, which is, as far as I can tell:
a. They fear functionality - they actually call functionality complexity!
b. They fear danger - which is why they _rush_ to install iOS each time
c. They fear not being stylish - such that they line up to ditch old phones
etc.
Apple _knows_ their customer is _driven_ almost mad by these three fears.
o complexity
o danger
o style
They are basically driven insane by these fears, where all three are
threatened by Windows and Android, such that any dirt they can find on
Windows or Android, they _love_ to tout since they're _threatened_ by these
operating systems.
What's interesting is nobody on Android or on Windows is even in the least
threatened by Apple products - it's only the Apple users who are
threatened, because they live their lives daily in abject fear.
On the Android newsgroup, we openly discuss when Google sucks, just as we
do on the Windows newsgroups - where we're not at all afraid of the truth.
But on the Apple newsgroups, they're literally afraid of the truth.
Which is why, for example, like flat earthers and cultists, they simply
deny the truth, flat out, as their entire belief system is imaginary.
As I noted, the type III apologists (Alan Baker, Lewis, Jolly Roger, et
al.) actually _believe_ what they write, even as it lacks any semblance of
adult cognitive thought processes.
So trust that Alan Baker actually believes it when he boldly claims:
"You can eliminate the Apple ID on iOS & still have full functionality"
*Shockingly, Alan Baker actually _believes_ what he wrote!*
--
That's the petrifyingly scary thing about these Type III Apple apologists.
> He just wants to bitch, not look for solutions that are dead easy to find
Hi Thomas E.,
Regarding this thread:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
Actually it's worse than "he just wants to bitch".
o *Shockingly, Alan Baker actually _believes_ what he wrote!*
He's a Type III apologist, similar to Jolly Roger, Lewis, Chris, BK, Joerg
Lorenz, et al., where their entire _identity_ is wrapped up in Apple's
MARKETING messaging.
Apple knows these Type III apologists far better than they know themselves.
Apple MARKETING constantly feeds them exactly what they want to hear, about
what they fear most, which is, as far as I can tell:
a. They fear functionality - they actually call functionality complexity!
b. They fear danger - which is why they _rush_ to install iOS each time
c. They fear not being stylish - such that they line up to ditch old phones
etc.
Apple _knows_ their customer is _driven_ almost mad by these three fears.
o complexity
o danger
o style
They are basically driven insane by these fears, where all three are
threatened by Windows and Android, such that any dirt they can find on
Windows or Android, they _love_ to tout since they're _threatened_ by these
operating systems.
What's interesting is nobody on Android or on Windows is even in the least
threatened by Apple products - it's only the Apple users who are
threatened, because they live their lives daily in abject fear.
On the Android newsgroup, we openly discuss when Google sucks, just as we
do on the Windows newsgroups - where we're not at all afraid of the truth.
But on the Apple newsgroups, they're literally afraid of the truth.
Which is why, for example, like flat earthers and cultists, they simply
deny the truth, flat out, as their entire belief system is imaginary.
As I noted, the type III apologists (Alan Baker, Lewis, Jolly Roger, et
al.) actually _believe_ what they write, even as it lacks any semblance of
adult cognitive thought processes.
So trust that Alan Baker actually believes it when he boldly claims:
"You can eliminate the Apple ID on iOS & still have full functionality"
*Shockingly, Alan Baker actually _believes_ what he wrote!*
--
That's the petrifyingly scary thing about these Type III Apple apologists.
Alan Baker
Jun 29, 2020, 6:45:39 PM6/29/20
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On 2020-06-29 3:15 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:36:44 -0700 (PDT), Thomas E. wrote:
>
>> He just wants to bitch, not look for solutions that are dead easy to find
>
> Hi Thomas E.,
>
> Regarding this thread:
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
>
> Actually it's worse than "he just wants to bitch".
> o *Shockingly, Alan Baker actually _believes_ what he wrote!*
<https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/02/22/microsoft-is-making-it-harder-to-use-windows-10-local-accounts/>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:36:44 -0700 (PDT), Thomas E. wrote:
>
>> He just wants to bitch, not look for solutions that are dead easy to find
>
> Hi Thomas E.,
>
> Regarding this thread:
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
>
> Actually it's worse than "he just wants to bitch".
> o *Shockingly, Alan Baker actually _believes_ what he wrote!*
<https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/>
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-users-fume-microsoft-wheres-our-local-account-option-gone/>
<https://www.thurrott.com/forums/microsoft/windows/thread/microsoft-remove-option-to-create-local-windows-account>
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-wants-to-do-away-with-windows-10-local-accounts/>
Arlen Holder
Jun 29, 2020, 6:58:45 PM6/29/20
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:46:05 -0400, Paul wrote:
> It's there.
>
> Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif
>
> If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
> the top of the page.
>
> The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
> screen in the hope you won't see them.
>
> Paul
Hi Paul,
You're dealing with what Mayayana calls an "AppleSeed"...
As usual, Alan Baker is fantastically _immune_ to obvious facts!
o He just wants to complain about Windows by making up issues
o And, he wants to claim iOS is functional without an Apple ID
All sans even a single shred of actual adult cognition behind his claims.
Let's see how this Type III apologist, who claimed many times it is not
there, responds to your image showing that it _is_ actually there:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif>
Given Alan Baker is the one who authored that thread, he should respond:
that they have to fabricate completely imaginary issues that don't even
exist (even as, Lord knows, there are _plenty_ of real issues on both
platforms that we users discuss daily, openly, and factually).
o Why are apologists like Alan Baker so fantastically immune to basic
skills an adult should have on the Internet?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/4AdaprOPM-g>
Let's see what 'adult' response Alan Baker has, to the facts you provided!
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the
Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/miwGEINsoFQ>
--
The weird thing with Apple apologists is they feel Microsoft (Windows) &
Google (Android) are both a dire threat to their very existence; and yet,
nobody on Windows or Android feels Apple is in any way a threat to them.
> It's there.
>
> Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif
>
> If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
> the top of the page.
>
> The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
> screen in the hope you won't see them.
>
> Paul
Hi Paul,
You're dealing with what Mayayana calls an "AppleSeed"...
As usual, Alan Baker is fantastically _immune_ to obvious facts!
o He just wants to complain about Windows by making up issues
o And, he wants to claim iOS is functional without an Apple ID
All sans even a single shred of actual adult cognition behind his claims.
Let's see how this Type III apologist, who claimed many times it is not
there, responds to your image showing that it _is_ actually there:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif>
Given Alan Baker is the one who authored that thread, he should respond:
o Amazing what Windows still doesn't do well.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
Bear in mind Apologists like Alan Baker are so afraid of Windows & Android
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI>
that they have to fabricate completely imaginary issues that don't even
exist (even as, Lord knows, there are _plenty_ of real issues on both
platforms that we users discuss daily, openly, and factually).
o Why are apologists like Alan Baker so fantastically immune to basic
skills an adult should have on the Internet?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/4AdaprOPM-g>
Let's see what 'adult' response Alan Baker has, to the facts you provided!
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the
Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/miwGEINsoFQ>
--
The weird thing with Apple apologists is they feel Microsoft (Windows) &
Google (Android) are both a dire threat to their very existence; and yet,
nobody on Windows or Android feels Apple is in any way a threat to them.
Arlen Holder
Jun 30, 2020, 1:32:52 PM6/30/20
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On 30 Jun 2020 17:08:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> JF Mezie, Alan Browne, and trollboi Arleen are all out of their depth -
> all making arguments based on lies and willful ignorance.
Regarding this post by Jolly Roger against all who speak facts:
o Why are Apple Mac users so easily bamboozled by Apple MARKETING bullshit
regarding "Apple Silicon" which is, in fact, TSMC silicon
with licensed ARM technology
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/xKTMWDhKztk>
What's consistent is the Type III apologists always claim all facts they
simply don't like, are "lies by liars".
o Why do apologists like nospam & Alan Baker incessantly call facts they
don't like "lies" and all bearers of facts they don't like "Liars"?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/nVzWBU2otC4>
Why do apologists claim all facts are lies?
o I don't know why.
I think, perhaps, facts are a threat to apologists like Jolly Roger...
o Just as facts are a threat to Cultists & to Flat Earthers.
Apologists have only 7 responses to facts, none of them adult:
--
Note: Jolly Roger sets a no-archive bit, so here's his post, in full:
On 30 Jun 2020 17:08:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Path: uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
> From: Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
> Subject: Re: Why are Apple Mac users so easily bamboozled by Apple
MARKETING bullshit regarding "Apple Silicon" which is, in fact, TSMC
silicon with licensed ARM technology
> Date: 30 Jun 2020 17:08:14 GMT
> Message-ID: <hm19ru...@mid.individual.net>
>
> On 2020-06-29, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <9nsKG.76486$7vd....@fx35.iad>, JF Mezei
>><jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> qualcomm was blindsided when apple came out with the first 64 bit arm
>>>> chip, as was the entire industry.
>>>
>>> Blindsighted is too strong a word.
>>
>> not at all. if anything, it greatly understates what happened.
>>
>>> ARM is the one who released the 64
>>> bit architecture to licensees, so Qualcomm would have been working on
>>> implementing it on silicon it and would assume Apple and others were
>>> doing the same.
>>
>> to use everyone's favourite quote: *stop* *making* *things* *up*.
>>
>> qualcomm wasn't working on 64 bit arm processors, and when apple
>> announced the 64 bit a7, they tried to claim 61 bit wasn't needed and
>> nothing more than a gimmick because they were *completely* caught by
>> surprise.
>>
>><https://wccftech.com/qualcomm-employee-64bit-apple-a7-chip-hit-gut/>
>> "The 64-bit Apple chip hit us in the gut," says the Qualcomm
>> employee. "Not just us, but everyone, really. We were slack-jawed,
>> and stunned, and unprepared. Itąs not that big a performance
>> difference right now, since most current software wonąt benefit. But
>> in Spinal Tap terms itąs like, 32 more, and now everyone wants it."
>>
>> only *after* apple's announcement did qualcomm scramble to come up with
>> their own implementation, except that apple continued to advance and
>> widen the gap even further.
>>
>>> Apple was first to market with the new architecture. It may have been a
>>> surprise, but not a blindsight. But it showed that Apple's chip
>>> designers were seriosu business.
>>
>> it completely blindsided the industry. full stop.
>
> JF Mezie, Alan Browne, and trollboi Arleen are all out of their depth -
> all making arguments based on lies and willful ignorance.
> JF Mezie, Alan Browne, and trollboi Arleen are all out of their depth -
> all making arguments based on lies and willful ignorance.
Regarding this post by Jolly Roger against all who speak facts:
o Why are Apple Mac users so easily bamboozled by Apple MARKETING bullshit
regarding "Apple Silicon" which is, in fact, TSMC silicon
with licensed ARM technology
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/xKTMWDhKztk>
What's consistent is the Type III apologists always claim all facts they
simply don't like, are "lies by liars".
o Why do apologists like nospam & Alan Baker incessantly call facts they
don't like "lies" and all bearers of facts they don't like "Liars"?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/nVzWBU2otC4>
Why do apologists claim all facts are lies?
o I don't know why.
I think, perhaps, facts are a threat to apologists like Jolly Roger...
o Just as facts are a threat to Cultists & to Flat Earthers.
Apologists have only 7 responses to facts, none of them adult:
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the
Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM%5B1-25%5D>
Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
--
Note: Jolly Roger sets a no-archive bit, so here's his post, in full:
On 30 Jun 2020 17:08:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Path: uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
> From: Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
> Subject: Re: Why are Apple Mac users so easily bamboozled by Apple
MARKETING bullshit regarding "Apple Silicon" which is, in fact, TSMC
silicon with licensed ARM technology
> Date: 30 Jun 2020 17:08:14 GMT
> Message-ID: <hm19ru...@mid.individual.net>
>
> On 2020-06-29, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <9nsKG.76486$7vd....@fx35.iad>, JF Mezei
>><jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> qualcomm was blindsided when apple came out with the first 64 bit arm
>>>> chip, as was the entire industry.
>>>
>>> Blindsighted is too strong a word.
>>
>> not at all. if anything, it greatly understates what happened.
>>
>>> ARM is the one who released the 64
>>> bit architecture to licensees, so Qualcomm would have been working on
>>> implementing it on silicon it and would assume Apple and others were
>>> doing the same.
>>
>> to use everyone's favourite quote: *stop* *making* *things* *up*.
>>
>> qualcomm wasn't working on 64 bit arm processors, and when apple
>> announced the 64 bit a7, they tried to claim 61 bit wasn't needed and
>> nothing more than a gimmick because they were *completely* caught by
>> surprise.
>>
>><https://wccftech.com/qualcomm-employee-64bit-apple-a7-chip-hit-gut/>
>> "The 64-bit Apple chip hit us in the gut," says the Qualcomm
>> employee. "Not just us, but everyone, really. We were slack-jawed,
>> and stunned, and unprepared. Itąs not that big a performance
>> difference right now, since most current software wonąt benefit. But
>> in Spinal Tap terms itąs like, 32 more, and now everyone wants it."
>>
>> only *after* apple's announcement did qualcomm scramble to come up with
>> their own implementation, except that apple continued to advance and
>> widen the gap even further.
>>
>>> Apple was first to market with the new architecture. It may have been a
>>> surprise, but not a blindsight. But it showed that Apple's chip
>>> designers were seriosu business.
>>
>> it completely blindsided the industry. full stop.
>
> JF Mezie, Alan Browne, and trollboi Arleen are all out of their depth -
> all making arguments based on lies and willful ignorance.
Arlen Holder
Jun 30, 2020, 5:18:39 PM6/30/20
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 10:51:20 -0400, Wolffan wrote:
> Well, obviously. Except when someone has a reading comprehension problem,
> like, oh, poor old Arlen the kiddie-fiddler.
Hi Wolffan,
*"kiddie-fiddler"*?
How _old_ are you, Wolffan?
o Ten?
Regarding this thread today:
o Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.system/ElvAtPCgr6I>
And specifically this post by Wolffan, moments ago...
o <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/ElvAtPCgr6I/Zf0dIIgYAwAJ>
It's interesting when I brought up known _facts_ about Apple smartphone CPUs
o Appologists' only response to those facts is.... "*kiddie fiddler*"?
Is _that_ how you apologists "process" facts about Apple that you hate?
o *kiddie fiddler*
Apologists simply deny all facts, even these, which are well known facts:
o Almost all Apple smartphone CPUs are known to be fatally compromised
o Almost all Apple smartphone CPUs are known to be throttled in about a year
To those facts, you apologists respond....
o "*kiddie fiddler*"?
That's apologists' _best_ response to the known facts about Apple products?
*Kiddie Fiddler*
--
Apologists have only 7 responses to facts about Apple products, none adult.
> Well, obviously. Except when someone has a reading comprehension problem,
> like, oh, poor old Arlen the kiddie-fiddler.
Hi Wolffan,
*"kiddie-fiddler"*?
How _old_ are you, Wolffan?
o Ten?
Regarding this thread today:
o Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.system/ElvAtPCgr6I>
And specifically this post by Wolffan, moments ago...
o <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/ElvAtPCgr6I/Zf0dIIgYAwAJ>
It's interesting when I brought up known _facts_ about Apple smartphone CPUs
o Appologists' only response to those facts is.... "*kiddie fiddler*"?
Is _that_ how you apologists "process" facts about Apple that you hate?
o *kiddie fiddler*
Apologists simply deny all facts, even these, which are well known facts:
o Almost all Apple smartphone CPUs are known to be fatally compromised
o Almost all Apple smartphone CPUs are known to be throttled in about a year
To those facts, you apologists respond....
o "*kiddie fiddler*"?
That's apologists' _best_ response to the known facts about Apple products?
*Kiddie Fiddler*
--
Apologists have only 7 responses to facts about Apple products, none adult.
Arlen Holder
Jul 13, 2020, 5:48:32 PM7/13/20
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On 13 Jul 2020 09:12:29 GMT, Sandman wrote:
> Instead of reporting facts you trolls lie
Hi Sandman,
Regarding these published well-cited facts which you brazenly deny:
o *Apple Warns Against Closing MacBooks With a Cover Over the Camera*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.system/K9dMw2t7Cl8>
You just proved you're a Type III apologist (ala, Alan Baker)
The entire post was verbatim - and - it included the cite to the original.
o I didn't add anything - I simply quoted the salient facts for you.
*How can you possibly call a verbatim post (with the cite), a "lie"?*
o No reasonable adult does what you strange apologists always do.
Since I've studied you apologists for years, I've assessed you _hate_ what
Apple is, because you own an imaginary belief system (fed to you by
MARKETING) of what you _thought_ Apple was.
And yet, every fact points to what Apple _is_ which is why you hate them.
It's like your mom is a prostitute whom you _think_ is an angel.
o So every fact about your mom, even as it's fact, you call a lie.
Like flat earthers, the _only_ way you can maintain your imaginary belief
system intact is to simply claim that all facts about Apple are lies.
Even verbatim quotes are "lies" to you apologists.
--
Apologists _hate_ what Apple is so much that all facts about Apple, to
them, must be lies since facts don't fit into what MARKETING fed them.
> Instead of reporting facts you trolls lie
Hi Sandman,
Regarding these published well-cited facts which you brazenly deny:
o *Apple Warns Against Closing MacBooks With a Cover Over the Camera*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.system/K9dMw2t7Cl8>
You just proved you're a Type III apologist (ala, Alan Baker)
The entire post was verbatim - and - it included the cite to the original.
o I didn't add anything - I simply quoted the salient facts for you.
*How can you possibly call a verbatim post (with the cite), a "lie"?*
o No reasonable adult does what you strange apologists always do.
Since I've studied you apologists for years, I've assessed you _hate_ what
Apple is, because you own an imaginary belief system (fed to you by
MARKETING) of what you _thought_ Apple was.
And yet, every fact points to what Apple _is_ which is why you hate them.
It's like your mom is a prostitute whom you _think_ is an angel.
o So every fact about your mom, even as it's fact, you call a lie.
Like flat earthers, the _only_ way you can maintain your imaginary belief
system intact is to simply claim that all facts about Apple are lies.
Even verbatim quotes are "lies" to you apologists.
--
Apologists _hate_ what Apple is so much that all facts about Apple, to
them, must be lies since facts don't fit into what MARKETING fed them.
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