On 8/10/12 7:21 PM, in article
da23b6d4-019f-41fb...@googlegroups.com, "Onion Knight"
<
onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:23:54 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> No, that's not what this post should really be titled... it should
>>
>> read:
>>
>> What's in a "frame of refernce"?
>>
>> Tim (the guy who firmly believes that his word is gold as compared to
>> mine for anyone on the planet about any topic) recently wrote the
>> following statement to Snit about the "situation" between Snit and I:
>>
>> "As I said before, with your situation I had no frame of refernce in
>> which to judge who was more likely to be right between you to."
>>
>> The facts show that Tim has a "frame of refernce" but he chooses to
>> ignore it... the pertinent Google archives that I have repeatedly
>> produced in this newsgroup (and sometimes specifically for Tim),
>> archives that have shown:
>>
>> Snit admitting to ID forgery
Gross twisting of truth... from 2004 or so. Not worth re-hashing *again*.
>> Snit lying that he was 'dared' to engage in forgery during his
>> admission of it
Gross twisting of truth... from 2004 or so. Not worth re-hashing *again*.
>> Snit admitting to creating web pages devoted to antagonizing and
>> defaming someone
A complete and utter lie from Carroll... I have no idea what he is even
basing this on. Likely something from 2004 which I do not even recall.
>> Snit admitting to sexual harassment
A complete and utter lie from Carroll based on my having given someone who
was harassing me the benefit of the doubt... but it was proved later I was
wrong to do so: <
http://tinyurl.com/proof-about-ebot>.
>> Snit making unsubstantiated allegations of marital infidelity
A complete and utter lie from Carroll. He was very open in 2004 about his
"road trips" to a woman other than his wife and later posted a map from his
house to hers - claiming she had moved from hours away from him to right
around the corner. He also noted, if I recall correctly, that his wife
found out about his actions and became quite upset.
>> Snit making unsubstantiated allegations that someone has "porn habits"
A complete and utter lie from Carroll.
>> Snit making unsubstantiated allegations that people are racists
A complete and utter lie from Carroll.
>> Snit making unsubstantiated allegations that people are bigots
A complete and utter lie from Carroll.
>> Snit getting busted and admitting to sock puppetry (even in his
>> anxiety newsgroup)
A complete and utter lie from Carroll. This was based on my using a
different name on accident (Brock McNuggets) but using the same .sig and,
when I realized the mistake *my* noting it was me. That is not being
"busted" for using a "sock". Carroll is out and out lying.
>> Snit using over a dozen nyms in a span of less than a year to avoid
>> killfilters as documented by Elizabot
A complete and utter lie from Carroll.
>> Snit creating a large number of trolling threads as documented by
>> Sandman in CSMA
A complete and utter lie from Carroll.
>> Snit posting up emails between he and another poster (ed) without that
>> poster's permission (and doing so while having hypocritically stating
>> the had no desire for those emails to be publicm undoubtedly due to
>> the fact that they contained admissions to lies that ed mentioned they
>> contained
Gross twisting of truth... from 2008 or so. Not worth re-hashing *again*.
>> A lies of quotes made by posters of every persuasion that have all
>> labeled Snit a liar, troll or worse based on activity like the above
>> that they all have experience with.
Many of these quotes are forged by Steve and his "buddies" in COLA... and
what others say is not relevant. Notice the complete lack of quotes *from*
me... Carroll bases his attacks on what his socks (and some others) have
written about me. To make things even more insane for Carroll, some of
those quotes are from people Carroll accused of being my socks... so his
accusations are contradictory.
>> The above list is far from complete but it contains things I have
>> covered when Snit asks for proof of his "wrongs" (only to later whine
>> that I am "stalking" by providing them)... I covered them enough to
>> the point where it's ludicrous for Tim to claim not to have seen some
>> of them.
The fact you repeatedly lie about me proves my point about you.
>> I'm waiting for Tim to show a "frame of refernce" for the
>> things that I have done that would convince a sane, honest and
>> honorable person that Snit is in the "right" in the "situation he and
>> I have between us.
>>
>> cue up Snit showing me doing one or more of the following:
>>
>> Handing *him* (not a TON of other posters, like he has on his list)
>> back a very,very tiny bit of what he regularly handed out.
You accuse me for your actions. This is what stalkers do... they blame
their victims. I do not blame you for anything I do.
>> Me, pointing to events or situations that sought to explain Snit's
>> bizarre usenet behavior (not justify it... explain it).
You cannot point to any such behavior accept my tendency to respond to those
who troll me and the fact I post a lot. Other than that all you have is
quotes taken from context from 2004 which you insist must be re-hashed again
and again because you have not been able to move forward.
>> Me, making the reasonable claim that Snit can't possibly be a "real"
>> teacher and act on usenet the way he has
Yes: you have told that lie many times while also pointing to one of the
schools I teach at and describing how to track down which classes I teach.
Your girlfriend of 2004 even spoke of specific classes and how she tracked
down who I am. You lie when you claim I somehow "forged" this evidence...
as if I tricked you and her when and planted info for you to find.
In other words: and out and out lie by you.
>> Some other red herring BS Snit will drag it to make it appear I have
>> done what he has done above (a thing he will do in an attempt to shine
>> the light away from his "wrongs"), a thing he can never accomplish
I do not claim you have done what I have done - I note you do what you do:
harass and cyberstalk me, including tracking me to one of the places where I
work and threatening to contact my employer and lie with the intent on
having me get fired even if you have to "twist arms". You deny this but the
proof is in your own post:
<
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5ce16bd71bad1e12>
Those are your words, Carroll. You did exactly as I said. Notice how you
never back your accusations against me.
>>
>> As was pointed out by another poster, Tim likes to play 'divide and
>> conquer', let's see how persuasive Tim is as he tries to 'divide' Snit
>> from his many dishonest and dishonorable usenet deeds. Will he even
>> bother to try?
You make many accusations and cry when people do not fall over backwards
believing a liar such as yourself.
>> My prediction: NO WAY!
>
> I asked you to back your claims and you never did. Where are the quotes? I
> bet if you have any they are taken out of context and are from 2004, the year
> you never left.
Exactly correct.
...
> Why do you accuse Snit of doing wrong when the proof is she was harassing him?
Because he was clearly and unambiguously involved with her in a romantic
relationship - or at least presented himself as being in one. He became
insanely jealous and angry when she became obsessed with me. Again, it has
been proved she was obsessed and harassed me:
<
http://tinyurl.com/proof-about-ebot>.
> Why won't you talk about the fact that once the police got involved she
> stopped posting and Snit did not?
This goes against Carroll's false narrative where his then-girlfriend was
the victim so he snips and runs from this.
> Why do you blame him when the police clearly could tell the truth and it is
> not what you say?
Same reason: it goes against his false narrative of her being the victim.
> You have accused me of having access to information you sent Snit outside of
> COLA. Why not say what that information was and show where I had any access
> to it?
Because Carroll lied. If he sent such data I never saw it and had nothing
to share with you or anyone else. Carroll simply lied.
> Why not back your claim that Snit can't be a real teacher when you have linked
> to his colleges website where it is easy to find his name listed as an
> instructor so you know for a fact he is a teacher?
He does not back this claim because Carroll is an out and out liar. This is
yet another accusation he repeatedly makes and then runs from. On a Skype
recording he could not so easily do so.
> Why do you pretend he might be impersonating someone when your little slut
> bragged about tracking him down to be this person who works for the college
> you point to?
Carroll says you and I agree on all things - I do not agree with your
wording... but the question is a valid one. Carroll will not speak of why
he lies and pretended I was impersonating the person his then-girlfriend
bragged about tracking me down to and Carroll posted directions on how to
find what classes I teach.
> You claim Steve that you will answer questions in usenet and not run but all
> you do is run.
Absolutely true. Carroll runs from these questions *always*. On a
radio-format show he could not so easily do so.
> You will run from those questions because you are a coward.
> If you will not have a Skype chat with Snit how about with me where I will ask
> you each of those questions and share your running with all of COLA and CSMA.
I would love to hear it... but be careful to keep your identity secret from
him if you do this.
> Your word is crap Steve and you know it. Everyone who calls you on it is
> deemed by you a sock or shill.
Yes: Carroll makes those accusations repeatedly when he is called out on his
lies. He keeps tracks of every time he or his socks or others say bad
things about me but ignores how many times people call him out on his lies
saying it does not count because the person is my "sock or shill" - though
he never gives any evidence of the person being my sock (say *you*) or my
doing anything to encourage anyone to do anything outside of Usenet.
Carroll uses socks and shills and thinks others are like him... examples of
his "shills" are a couple of people from CSMA who it was clear they
literally had either severe learning disabilities or were borderline
retarded and Steve was able to draw them into his games. It was
unbelievably repulsive how he manipulated people with such problems.
> Why not list the names you have used on usenet? Yet another question you will
> run from.
Yes: Carroll claims to not run but he runs from this every time. And he
always will.
> You claim to not run but you do. On a Skype session you could not do that so
> you will never agree to talk to me on Skype. How about this: you claim I am a
> Snit sock. Speak to me on Skype and you will have proof my voice is not his.
Just be careful he cannot track you. He *will* contact your employer and
family and friends if he can track who you are... or at the very least
threaten.
> You do not know my voice so there should be no risk to me. You will not get
> what your accusations are really mean to dig up which is who I am. Come on
> Steve I have told you. I am one of the people you have harassed in CSMA to
> the point I left for my own safety. The problem for you is there are so many
> people you have harassed like that you have no idea who I am. Talk to me on
> Skype and see if you can figure it out.
I would love to listen to this recording. Carroll will never agree to it.