Need to get an older app from one iOS device to another

[Harry Newton]

What method do you find works best for transferring an already installed
app from any one iOS device to another, especially among close friends?

Do you use the cloud?
Do you use Bluetooth?
DO you use a specific app transfer?
Do you use an FTP server?

What do you use to transfer an older already-installed app from one iOS
device to another iOS device?

[HankG]

"Harry Newton" <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote in message
news:p0u6ba$c9n$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

??I would think it could only be done through the cloud to units with the
SAME Apple ID. Otherwise, there's a matter of revenue.

HankG

[Harry Newton]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:43:50 -0500, HankG wrote:

> ??I would think it could only be done through the cloud to units with the
> SAME Apple ID. Otherwise, there's a matter of revenue.

I apologize for not explaining that I only want to copy a few of the
already installed *free* apps from one friend's iOS device to any other iOS
device.

So revenue shouldn't be an issue.

[nospam]

In article <p0u6ba$c9n$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> What method do you find works best for transferring an already installed
> app from any one iOS device to another, especially among close friends?

that's called piracy.

what can be done, however, is 3d-touch the app, tap share and airdrop
it to the other device, which will bring up the app store directly to
the app, at which point the other person can download it under their
own account.

[Your Name]

You get it from the App Store. If it's no longer on the App Store, then
there's (usually) a good reason. For example, it may not actually work
on new versions of iOS.

You can't install apps on iOS devices in any other way, unless you
stupidly (and mostly pointlessly) want to Jailbreak the device ...
well, you could sign up with Apple for an iOS Developer account, but
that's massive overkill for most users.

[nospam]

In article <p0umpv$1a9t$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name

<Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:

>
> You get it from the App Store. If it's no longer on the App Store, then
> there's (usually) a good reason. For example, it may not actually work
> on new versions of iOS.

or that the developer decided to remove it, or various other reasons.

> You can't install apps on iOS devices in any other way, unless you
> stupidly (and mostly pointlessly) want to Jailbreak the device ...
> well, you could sign up with Apple for an iOS Developer account, but
> that's massive overkill for most users.

false. there are other ways, without a jailbreak, and not relevant for
this particular situation.

[Harry Newton]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:28:16 -0500, nospam wrote:

> that's called piracy.

I should have been clear that I'm talking about *older* free apps.

As you know, I asked the exact same question on the Android newsgroup and
lots of ways were proposed - and - nobody argued about whether the app was
free or not.
Subject: Need to get an older app from one Android phone to another
URL: <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/SoCewoB4Xf0/RMsk2cIuCwAJ>

> what can be done, however, is 3d-touch the app, tap share and airdrop
> it to the other device, which will bring up the app store directly to
> the app, at which point the other person can download it under their
> own account.

The older versions are not in the app store.

That's the entire reason for wanting to simply transfer them from one iOS
device to another iOS device.

Is there a way to get an older free app from one iOS device to another?

[nospam]

In article <p0v6pv$30q$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

>
> > that's called piracy.
>
> I should have been clear that I'm talking about *older* free apps.

doesn't matter. piracy is piracy.

either share the app as i described or verbally tell them what to
download.

if the current version won't run on a given device, an older compatible
version will usually be offered.

[Harry Newton]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:12:12 -0500, nospam wrote:

> doesn't matter. piracy is piracy.

You have a strange idea of "piracy" when we're talking about *free* apps.

> either share the app as i described or verbally tell them what to
> download.

OK. Thanks. That's really the answer.
The answer is what the answer always is when the simplest of things that we
do day in and day out on Android are attempted on iOS.

For iOS users, they *just give up* because they *just can't do it*.

> if the current version won't run on a given device, an older compatible
> version will usually be offered.

You have an ideal mind for a trial lawyer because the problem is the
*opposite* of what you just said.

We want the older versions of the freeware because they're better than the
newer ones, which often succumb to ads and other annoyances that aren't in
the older versions.

I am always impressed by your ability to skew the simplest of questions
though, because you hate to admit that iOS just can't do the simplest of
things that we do all day every day on Android without thinking about it.

On Android, you just send any installed app to any other phone you want,
and there's a very good chance that it will work just fine (I've done it
plenty of times).

But on iOS, if I want to do it, I have to do what all iOS users do day in
and day out, which is *just give up*.

The iOS users are so very comfortable *just giving up* that it's just sad.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-12-15, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
>
> On Android, you just send any installed app to any other phone you
> want, and there's a very good chance that it will work just fine (I've
> done it plenty of times).
>
> But on iOS, if I want to do it, I have to do what all iOS users do day
> in and day out, which is *just give up*.
>
> The iOS users are so very comfortable *just giving up* that it's just
> sad.

Notice that the only one "giving up" here is the pathetic nym-switching
man-child troll currently known as "Harry Newton". Meanwhile, actual iOS
users can *easily* do what this useless troll just can't seem to figure
out how to do. If I want to install an old app that is no longer on the
App Store on any of my iOS devices, I simply connect it to the computer
I sync with, drag the app into iTunes, and sync the app to the device,
which takes all of 2 minutes. Thanks to iTunes, I have every version of
every iOS app on my devices backed up on my computer; so even if an app
is no longer available on the app store, I can easily install and use
it. So yet again, while this lame troll bumbles around hitting his head
on the wall and blaming Apple for his stupidity, *real* iOS users
already got the app installed and walked out the door. Keep hitting your
idiot head on that wall, old troll. The world has already passed you by.

--
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JR

[Harry Newton]

On 15 Dec 2017 17:46:39 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Notice that the only one "giving up" here is the pathetic nym-switching
> man-child troll currently known as "Harry Newton".

Hi Jolly Roger,

You may be smarter than I am if you can answer the 1 question in this post.
But nospam already answered the question saying you can't do it on iOS.

> Meanwhile, actual iOS
> users can *easily* do what this useless troll just can't seem to figure
> out how to do.

On Android, it's so easy to copy any free already-installed app from any
phone to another that it's not funny. The phones don't even have to be the
same make & model and the app almost always works (not always - but almost
always - depending on the app's requirements for OS and version).

The phone-to-phone transfer of the already-installed app though, always
works (by so many methods that it isn't funny).

> If I want to install an old app that is no longer on the
> App Store on any of my iOS devices, I simply connect it to the computer
> I sync with, drag the app into iTunes, and sync the app to the device,
> which takes all of 2 minutes.

Does that work for the given situation (which is a real situation)?

> Thanks to iTunes, I have every version of
> every iOS app on my devices backed up on my computer; so even if an app
> is no longer available on the app store, I can easily install and use
> it.

It has to go from any iOS device to any other iOS device.

Phone to phone is how Android does it but it's OK if iTunes in the middle,
as long as it goes from *any* phone to any other phone.

> So yet again, while this lame troll bumbles around hitting his head
> on the wall and blaming Apple for his stupidity, *real* iOS users
> already got the app installed and walked out the door. Keep hitting your
> idiot head on that wall, old troll. The world has already passed you by.

Jolly Roger - how is it going to work for any iOS device to any other iOS
device when you insert iTunes in the middle (and without the app store
involved - because the app store has the wrong version)?

Q: Does iTunes send the actual app to *any* phone you want to send it to?

[nospam]

In article <p11k9i$1lun$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> You may be smarter than I am

he is.

[Harry Newton]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:24:31 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> You may be smarter than I am
>
> he is.

Nobody on this newsgroup but you and Rod Speed and maybe David Empson and
perhaps Sobriquet and SMS, and maybe (just maybe) a few others are anywhere
near as smart as I am (and I'm only average in intelligence at that).

I've been in plenty of Silicon Valley startups and you'd be shocked at how
smart those guys are. They put 99 out of 100 people in a room to shame.
They're that smart. By way of comparison, you and I are only average, if
that.

While, I'm just average in intelligence, the wacky ones like Snit, Lewis,
Jamie, & Jolly Roger are so far below average in intelligence that it's
pretty sad that they're allowed to cancel out and overwhelm your vote.

The first question has been answered:

Q: Can you transfer a free app directly from any iOS device to any another?
A: No.

It's only the second question which remains, where Jolly Roger can say
anything he wants to, but he's so unfathomably stupid that even when he's
right, he's probably wrong.

You, on the other hand, always twist things like a trial lawyer would, such
that one always has to question every word that you twisted.

Hence, the question remains:
Q: Can you at least transfer the app using iTunes in the middle?
A: ?

The answer probably depends on whether you *own* every phone on the planet,
which you iOS users tend to assume is the case but it's just not practical.

You will never have the ownership of the donor phone.
All you want is the donor phone to give the app to the recipient phone.

That's the question remaining.

Can it be done with iTunes for *any* iOS device or not?
If yes, how do you get around iTunes' restriction on phones it accepts?

[Your Name]

On 2017-12-16 03:14:29 +0000, Harry Newton said:
>
<snip>

>
> Hence, the question remains:
> Q: Can you at least transfer the app using iTunes in the middle?
> A: ?

No.

Apps (as well as music, video, ebooks, etc.) are "purchased", including
free ones, from the App Store by and licensed to the indivdual user
who's account "bought" it - the app can be installed on any iOS devices
within that user's account, with some limitations due to app
requirements (some are iPhone only for example). The only sensible
exception to this is when a few individual accounts have been grouped
together as a "Family" entity, and the app can be shared.

The non-sensible exception is if you're stupid enough to Jailbreak the
iOS device, in which case you can do whatever you want, install apps
from anywhere ... including any malware that may come with them.

[Harry Newton]

On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:05:35 +1300, Your Name wrote:

>> Q: Can you at least transfer the app using iTunes in the middle?
>> A: ?
>
> No.

Thank you for your informative reply because the goal is to copy an older
already installed free app (that is likely no longer on the app store) from
any one iOS device to any other iOS device (with or without iTunes in the
middle).

> Apps (as well as music, video, ebooks, etc.) are "purchased", including
> free ones, from the App Store by and licensed to the indivdual user
> who's account "bought" it -

Thank you for clarifying that even a free app is "purchased" and as such,
is restricted (by iTunes?) to the "account" that "bought" it.

> the app can be installed on any iOS devices
> within that user's account, with some limitations due to app
> requirements (some are iPhone only for example).

Thank you for bringing this up - which for our purposes, is just a
technicality due to the device hardware and versions of iOS software which
are unrelated to the general question we're asking.

> The only sensible
> exception to this is when a few individual accounts have been grouped
> together as a "Family" entity, and the app can be shared.

This might be the best way!

Thank you for explaining that we can temporarily be a "family", which I
assume is relatively flexible so that is the way to go when we're dealing
with friends' apps that we want older versions of.

> The non-sensible exception is if you're stupid enough to Jailbreak the
> iOS device, in which case you can do whatever you want, install apps
> from anywhere ... including any malware that may come with them.

Even jailbroken - would it work to transfer an older version of an already
installed app from one phone to the other via iTunes?

Would iTunes block the transfer after noticing that one of the devices is
jailbroken?

[nospam]

In article <p1282i$cug$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> > The non-sensible exception is if you're stupid enough to Jailbreak the
> > iOS device, in which case you can do whatever you want, install apps
> > from anywhere ... including any malware that may come with them.
>
> Even jailbroken - would it work to transfer an older version of an already
> installed app from one phone to the other via iTunes?

sure, but it won't run because it's codesigned to the person who
originally downloaded it. you haven't been paying attention, have you?

you can give your appleid/password to the other person so they can run
it, but that would be even more stupid.

> Would iTunes block the transfer after noticing that one of the devices is
> jailbroken?

no. why would it?

[Your Name]

On 2017-12-16 04:39:46 +0000, Harry Newton said:
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:05:35 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> Q: Can you at least transfer the app using iTunes in the middle?
>>> A: ?
>>
>> No.
>
> Thank you for your informative reply because the goal is to copy an older
> already installed free app (that is likely no longer on the app store) from
> any one iOS device to any other iOS device (with or without iTunes in the
> middle).
>
>> Apps (as well as music, video, ebooks, etc.) are "purchased", including
>> free ones, from the App Store by and licensed to the indivdual user
>> who's account "bought" it -
>
> Thank you for clarifying that even a free app is "purchased" and as such,
> is restricted (by iTunes?) to the "account" that "bought" it.

It's restricted to your Apple ID, not by iTunes. You no longer need to
use iTunes for anything, you can install new apps from the App Store
directly on the iOS device. iTunes is mostly for making local backups
now.

>> The only sensible
>> exception to this is when a few individual accounts have been grouped
>> together as a "Family" entity, and the app can be shared.
>
> This might be the best way!
>
> Thank you for explaining that we can temporarily be a "family", which I
> assume is relatively flexible so that is the way to go when we're dealing
> with friends' apps that we want older versions of.

I don't think you can "temporarily" be a family. As soon as an account
is removed from the "family" grouping it will no longer have a license
to that app. I don't know what will happen, and it partly depends on
the apps itself - it may keep working until the next iTunes or App
Store connection, or it may stop working immediately.

>> The non-sensible exception is if you're stupid enough to Jailbreak the
>> iOS device, in which case you can do whatever you want, install apps
>> from anywhere ... including any malware that may come with them.
>
> Even jailbroken - would it work to transfer an older version of an already
> installed app from one phone to the other via iTunes?
>
> Would iTunes block the transfer after noticing that one of the devices is
> jailbroken?

No idea. Jailbreaking is pointless and silly. Mostly it's done by
imbeciles who simply want to "stick it to" Apple for "controlling how
they use thir device", but who don't actually have any good reason to
Jailbreak. :-\ It also makes the device less secure and more prone
to malware.

[Harry Newton]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:51:13 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Even jailbroken - would it work to transfer an older version of an already
>> installed app from one phone to the other via iTunes?
>
> sure, but it won't run because it's codesigned to the person who
> originally downloaded it. you haven't been paying attention, have you?

This is why I haven't killfiled you nospam, because you actually are
intelligent, like a trial lawyer is intelligent.

> you can give your appleid/password to the other person so they can run
> it, but that would be even more stupid.

You actually *understand* the question (unlike Jolly Roger who can never
comprehend the question) where I agree, you're not going to be giving
anyone your appleid/password.

>> Would iTunes block the transfer after noticing that one of the devices is
>> jailbroken?
>
> no. why would it?

It won't matter anyway, if the app won't run, because the app is codesigned
to the person who originally downloaded it - and not to the person who
received it from him.

[Harry Newton]

On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:16:31 +1300, Your Name wrote:

>> Thank you for clarifying that even a free app is "purchased" and as such,
>> is restricted (by iTunes?) to the "account" that "bought" it.
>
> It's restricted to your Apple ID, not by iTunes. You no longer need to
> use iTunes for anything, you can install new apps from the App Store
> directly on the iOS device. iTunes is mostly for making local backups
> now.

Thank you again for understanding the question, which is appreciated!

So even if you did get the already-installed free app from a friend (by any
means whatsoever), the app still wouldn't work on your iOS device because
it's "codesigned" to your friend's appleid/password.

> I don't think you can "temporarily" be a family. As soon as an account
> is removed from the "family" grouping it will no longer have a license
> to that app. I don't know what will happen, and it partly depends on
> the apps itself - it may keep working until the next iTunes or App
> Store connection, or it may stop working immediately.

Oh. That's too bad because the temporary "family" was the proposed
workaround to the restriction of the app being codesigned to the friend's
appleid/password.

> No idea. Jailbreaking is pointless and silly. Mostly it's done by
> imbeciles who simply want to "stick it to" Apple for "controlling how
> they use thir device", but who don't actually have any good reason to
> Jailbreak. :-\ It also makes the device less secure and more prone
> to malware.

I only jailbroke one device, which was an iPhone 4 or 4 (it was years ago)
for a kid who desperately wanted an iPhone. I couldn't talk her out of it.
So we bought an AT&T iPhone on Craigslist and then jailbroke it so that we
could use T-Mobile.

It wasn't hard to jailbreak, but the hard part was that Apple "fixes" the
loopholes used for every version so we were restricted in what we could do
moving forward. The phone broke way sooner than I would have expected a
phone to last (mine is circa 2012 and I'm still using it for example), so,
we bought her an iPhone 5 or 6, which handled T-Mobile which ended my
jailbreaking career. That kid is still buying iPhones, so, it worked for
her.

On Android, I'm rooted, but it's so simple to root on Android that it's not
funny (download and execute one file and you're done). So you can root when
you want and then unroot after deleting all the crapware the carrier put on
the phone. So on Android, there's a value to rooting - but I agree that
it's not much (I did it mostly to put the MVP Hosts common HOSTS file on
all the devices).

[Jolly Roger]

Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2017 17:46:39 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Notice that the only one "giving up" here is the pathetic nym-switching
>> man-child troll currently known as "Harry Newton".
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>

> You may be smarter than I am.

No question.

>> Meanwhile, actual iOS
>> users can *easily* do what this useless troll just can't seem to figure
>> out how to do.
>

>> If I want to install an old app that is no longer on the
>> App Store on any of my iOS devices, I simply connect it to the computer
>> I sync with, drag the app into iTunes, and sync the app to the device,
>> which takes all of 2 minutes.
>
> Does that work for the given situation (which is a real situation)?

Of course. Drag the app into iTunes and sync, which naturally works for any
iOS device.

>> Thanks to iTunes, I have every version of
>> every iOS app on my devices backed up on my computer; so even if an app
>> is no longer available on the app store, I can easily install and use
>> it.
>
> It has to go from any iOS device to any other iOS device.

Drag the app into iTunes and sync, which naturally works for any iOS

device.

> Phone to phone is how Android does it but it's OK if iTunes in the middle,
> as long as it goes from *any* phone to any other phone.

Drag the app into iTunes and sync, which naturally works for any iOS
device.

>> So yet again, while this lame troll bumbles around hitting his head
>> on the wall and blaming Apple for his stupidity, *real* iOS users
>> already got the app installed and walked out the door. Keep hitting your
>> idiot head on that wall, old troll. The world has already passed you by.
>
> Jolly Roger - how is it going to work for any iOS device to any other iOS
> device when you insert iTunes in the middle (and without the app store
> involved - because the app store has the wrong version)?

Drag the app into iTunes and sync, which naturally works for any iOS
device.

> Q: Does iTunes send the actual app to *any* phone you want to send it to?

Yup. But since you refuse to run iTunes, you'll forever remain unaware and
unable to do this simplest of things - yet another thing you'll no doubt
blame Apple for while belittling iOS users. Such is the pitiful sad life of
an old troll.

[Jolly Roger]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <p1282i$cug$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
> <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
>
>>> The non-sensible exception is if you're stupid enough to Jailbreak the
>>> iOS device, in which case you can do whatever you want, install apps
>>> from anywhere ... including any malware that may come with them.
>>
>> Even jailbroken - would it work to transfer an older version of an already
>> installed app from one phone to the other via iTunes?
>
> sure, but it won't run because it's codesigned to the person who
> originally downloaded it. you haven't been paying attention, have you?

Technically it'll run. It'll just ask for the owner's Apple ID and password
during launch.

> you can give your appleid/password to the other person so they can run
> it, but that would be even more stupid.

But if will indeed run. I have a couple old apps that were signed with an
old Apple ID that work this way.

[Jolly Roger]

Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:16:31 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>
>>> Thank you for clarifying that even a free app is "purchased" and as such,
>>> is restricted (by iTunes?) to the "account" that "bought" it.
>>
>> It's restricted to your Apple ID, not by iTunes. You no longer need to
>> use iTunes for anything, you can install new apps from the App Store
>> directly on the iOS device. iTunes is mostly for making local backups
>> now.
>

> So even if you did get the already-installed free app from a friend (by any
> means whatsoever), the app still wouldn't work on your iOS device because
> it's "codesigned" to your friend's appleid/password.

Wrong as usual, old troll. It'll run and ask for the Apple ID it was signed
with. Supply those credentials it runs just fine.

[harry newton]

On 15 Dec 2017 17:46:39 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Meanwhile, actual iOS users can *easily* do what this useless troll just
> can't seem to figure out how to do.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I appreciate your humor when you try to attack my intelligence, so I
haven't killfiled you.

Don't you agree that it's kind of funny that you call me stupid at the same
time that you fabricate imaginary iOS functionality to answer the question?

Given the explanation by both nospam & Your Name, I refer Jolly Roger to:
Why do iOS apologists incessantly fabricate fictional iOS functionality?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/vcq3ESStmlc/bjhf9Z5vBAAJ>

Maybe Jolly Roger can answer that question as to why he incessantly
fabricates what turns out to be non-existent iOS functionality?

[Harry Newton]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 15:54:49 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> You get it from the App Store. If it's no longer on the App Store, then
>> there's (usually) a good reason. For example, it may not actually work
>> on new versions of iOS.
>
> or that the developer decided to remove it, or various other reasons.

Does that developer account allow a developer's iPhone to run software that
is "codesigned" to another user who is not the developer?

>> You can't install apps on iOS devices in any other way, unless you
>> stupidly (and mostly pointlessly) want to Jailbreak the device ...
>> well, you could sign up with Apple for an iOS Developer account, but
>> that's massive overkill for most users.
>
> false. there are other ways, without a jailbreak, and not relevant for
> this particular situation.

From what has been stated, the solutions out there are not many.

Assuming you want an older version of an already-installed free app from
one phone that you do not own to go to another phone that you do own,
1. You can't go directly from phone to phone
2. You can't go from phone to iTunes to phone (because apps are codesigned)
3. You can add the friend to your "family" (but that's impractical)
4. You (probably) can get a developer account (but it's impractical)
5. You (maybe) can jailbreak.

If you did jailbreak, would that allow the iOS device to run an app that
was "codesigned" for another appleid/password?

[Jolly Roger]

Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
>
> Assuming you want an older version of an already-installed free app from
> one phone that you do not own to go to another phone that you do own,

> 2. You can't go from phone to iTunes to phone (because apps are codesigned)

Wrong yet again. You can transfer apps this way, and it does work just
fine. You just enter the credentials of the account that was used to code
sign the app during launch. It works great.

[nospam]

In article <p13g9b$5vd$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> >> You can't install apps on iOS devices in any other way, unless you
> >> stupidly (and mostly pointlessly) want to Jailbreak the device ...
> >> well, you could sign up with Apple for an iOS Developer account, but
> >> that's massive overkill for most users.
> >
> > false. there are other ways, without a jailbreak, and not relevant for
> > this particular situation.
>
> From what has been stated, the solutions out there are not many.

wrong.

> Assuming you want an older version of an already-installed free app from
> one phone that you do not own to go to another phone that you do own,
> 1. You can't go directly from phone to phone

yes

> 2. You can't go from phone to iTunes to phone (because apps are codesigned)

wrong

> 3. You can add the friend to your "family" (but that's impractical)

yes (not really)

> 4. You (probably) can get a developer account (but it's impractical)

trivial and free. it also doesn't make a difference.

> 5. You (maybe) can jailbreak.

true, but not necessary.

> If you did jailbreak, would that allow the iOS device to run an app that
> was "codesigned" for another appleid/password?

yes, but again, there's no need to jailbreak to do that.

[Harry Newton]

On 16 Dec 2017 15:56:16 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> You may be smarter than I am.
> No question.

Then maybe you know the answer to the remaining question is why does a free
app bother to ask the user for a codesigned appleid/password when on my
iPads, free apps never ask me for a password.

I don't even remember offhand what the appleid/password is on my own iPads
because I rarely used it after the first day and the first installation of
apps. (It's written down somewhere because it's needed,. as I recall, only
when the iOS is updated - which is a rare event once every two or three
years.)

Q: How does a free app from an iOS donor phone know to *ask* for a
codesigned appleid/password and yet an existing free app on the recipient's
iOS phone does not ask the same question?

[Harry Newton]

On 16 Dec 2017 16:00:38 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> So even if you did get the already-installed free app from a friend (by any
>> means whatsoever), the app still wouldn't work on your iOS device because
>> it's "codesigned" to your friend's appleid/password.
>
> Wrong as usual, old troll. It'll run and ask for the Apple ID it was signed
> with. Supply those credentials it runs just fine.

You may be smarter than I am then...

When I am on my iPads, my free apps never ask for the appleid/password.

Why would a free app obtained from a friend ask for a codesigned
appleid/passwd credentials?

On my iPads, is there a check of the cached appleid/password that is
secretly done under the covers which I don't see?

If so, is there a way to mimic that secret appleid/password acknowledgement
return response?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-12-16, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2017 16:00:38 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> So even if you did get the already-installed free app from a friend
>>> (by any means whatsoever), the app still wouldn't work on your iOS
>>> device because it's "codesigned" to your friend's appleid/password.
>>
>> Wrong as usual, old troll. It'll run and ask for the Apple ID it was
>> signed with. Supply those credentials it runs just fine.
>
> You may be smarter than I am then...
>
> When I am on my iPads, my free apps never ask for the
> appleid/password.
>
> Why would a free app obtained from a friend ask for a codesigned
> appleid/passwd credentials?

The obvious answer is because it's signed with a different Apple ID
account than the one your iPad is using. So not only are you unable to
do the simplest thing that the rest of us do easily, but you are so
clueless as to how iOS works as to ask utterly stupid questions like the
above. And you're supposedly smarter than everyone else on the planet.
You are nothing but a foolish old man-child. I think we're done here.
Ciao.

[nospam]

In article <p13hia$8bo$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

>
> >> You may be smarter than I am.
> > No question.
>
> Then maybe you know the answer to the remaining question is why does a free
> app bother to ask the user for a codesigned appleid/password when on my
> iPads, free apps never ask me for a password.

all apps are codesigned, which is one of many reasons why ios is very
secure.

free apps may not always be free and non-free apps might become free,
so there is no special treatment for free apps. developers can (and
often do) change the price at any time.

[nospam]

In article <p13hlj$8gd$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> You may be smarter than I am then...

everyone is.

> When I am on my iPads, my free apps never ask for the appleid/password.

nor do paid apps, because they're codesigned with your appleid/password.

> Why would a free app obtained from a friend ask for a codesigned
> appleid/passwd credentials?

because it's *his* app, codesigned to *his* appleid, not yours.

[Harry Newton]

On 16 Dec 2017 16:11:24 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Wrong yet again. You can transfer apps this way, and it does work just
> fine. You just enter the credentials of the account that was used to code
> sign the app during launch. It works great.

You may very well be smarter than I am...

Trying to solve the dilemma... I get that, even though an iOS app is free,
it still "wants" the unique apple/id that downloaded it.

Hence here are the potential solutions to the stated problem set:
1. You can transfer the app with iTunes & then enter the codesign id/passwd
(but you'd have to ask your friend for their appleid/passwd)
2. You can transfer the app with iTunes & then mimic the codesign response
(but you have to know how to mimic the codesign appleid/passwd response)
3. You can't go directly from phone to phone
(too bad because that's how Android users send apps to each other)
4. You can add the friend to your "family"
(but that's impractical)
4. You can get a developer account
(but nospam intimates elsewhere that this might not help at all)
5. You can jailbreak
(which, I presume, means you can change the codesign id/passwd)

What seems odd is that a free app asks for an appleid/password so one
option is that the friend can give you his appleid/password and then that
friend can give you the app and then that friend can *change* his appleid
password (to maintain his security).

Would that allow you to use the app off the Internet using the old
appleid/password of the friend, while the friend uses all his apps with the
new appleid/password?

If not, why not?

[nospam]

In article <p13ics$9s1$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

>
> If not, why not?

because you turn the simplest things into a complete clusterfuck.

[Jolly Roger]

Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2017 16:11:24 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Wrong yet again. You can transfer apps this way, and it does work just
>> fine. You just enter the credentials of the account that was used to code
>> sign the app during launch. It works great.
>
> You may very well be smarter than I am...
>
> Trying to solve the dilemma...

Please. The only "dilemma" here is the one you are desperately trying to
manufacture for the purposes of trying to make yourself feel better than
everyone else. News flash: You have utterly FAILED in that endeavor.
Meanwhile, while you fumble around in your confused ignorant stupor, the
rest of us have already installed the app and left the fucking house.
Later, old man!

[Snit]

On 12/15/17, 8:14 PM, in article p1232k$77h$1...@gioia.aioe.org, "Harry Newton"

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:24:31 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>>> You may be smarter than I am
>>
>> he is.
>
> Nobody on this newsgroup but you and Rod Speed and maybe David Empson and
> perhaps Sobriquet and SMS, and maybe (just maybe) a few others are anywhere
> near as smart as I am (and I'm only average in intelligence at that).

And you are modest, too!

> I've been in plenty of Silicon Valley startups and you'd be shocked at how
> smart those guys are. They put 99 out of 100 people in a room to shame.
> They're that smart. By way of comparison, you and I are only average, if
> that.
>
> While, I'm just average in intelligence, the wacky ones like Snit, Lewis,
> Jamie, & Jolly Roger are so far below average in intelligence that it's
> pretty sad that they're allowed to cancel out and overwhelm your vote.

We should all take an online IQ test for fun. :)

> The first question has been answered:
>
> Q: Can you transfer a free app directly from any iOS device to any another?
> A: No.

If it free you can get it from the app store. That is where iOS apps come
from. You might not like it. OK. You might prefer the way Android does it.
OK. But there are pros and cons to each method.

With iOS, your chances of getting malware is very, very small. Almost all
mobile malware is found on Android. You might *feel* safe, as you say and
focus on, but the evidence shows iOS users are FAR less likely to get
malware.
...

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

[Your Name]

On 2017-12-16 16:06:04 +0000, Harry Newton said:

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 15:54:49 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>>> You get it from the App Store. If it's no longer on the App Store, then
>>> there's (usually) a good reason. For example, it may not actually work
>>> on new versions of iOS.
>>
>> or that the developer decided to remove it, or various other reasons.
>
> Does that developer account allow a developer's iPhone to run software that
> is "codesigned" to another user who is not the developer?
>
>>> You can't install apps on iOS devices in any other way, unless you
>>> stupidly (and mostly pointlessly) want to Jailbreak the device ...
>>> well, you could sign up with Apple for an iOS Developer account, but
>>> that's massive overkill for most users.
>>
>> false. there are other ways, without a jailbreak, and not relevant for
>> this particular situation.
>
> From what has been stated, the solutions out there are not many.
>
> Assuming you want an older version of an already-installed free app from
> one phone that you do not own to go to another phone that you do own,
> 1. You can't go directly from phone to phone
> 2. You can't go from phone to iTunes to phone (because apps are codesigned)
> 3. You can add the friend to your "family" (but that's impractical)
> 4. You (probably) can get a developer account (but it's impractical)

My point was that a Developer account is the only legal way to be able
to install apps without going through the App Store, but it won't allow
you to copy *other* developer's apps. It only lets you install apps you
create yourself.

> 5. You (maybe) can jailbreak.
>
> If you did jailbreak, would that allow the iOS device to run an app that
> was "codesigned" for another appleid/password?

Don't know. You may have to instead find a pirated version of the app
instead which has been hacked to remove the protection ... depends on
the app itself really.

[nospam]

In article <p14191$13cu$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:

>
> My point was

you don't have one.

> that a Developer account is the only legal way to be able
> to install apps without going through the App Store,

a developer account is one way, but not the only legal way.

> but it won't allow
> you to copy *other* developer's apps. It only lets you install apps you
> create yourself.

not true, but the real point is that copying apps you do not own is not
legal.

since he's concerned with free apps, the other person only needs to
download the app on their own. it's free. copying it directly has no
benefit whatsoever.

> > 5. You (maybe) can jailbreak.
> >
> > If you did jailbreak, would that allow the iOS device to run an app that
> > was "codesigned" for another appleid/password?
>
> Don't know.

true. you don't.

> You may have to instead find a pirated version of the app
> instead which has been hacked to remove the protection ... depends on
> the app itself really.

that is an option, requires jailbreaking and is of course, not legal.

[Lewis]

In message <151220171824318280%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <p11k9i$1lun$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
> <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

>> Hi Jolly Roger,

>>
>> You may be smarter than I am

> he is.

low bar.

--
I WILL NOT EXPOSE THE IGNORANCE OF THE FACULTY Bart chalkboard Ep. 8F15

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-12-17, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <151220171824318280%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <p11k9i$1lun$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
>> <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hi Jolly Roger,
>>>
>>> You may be smarter than I am
>
>> he is.
>
> low bar.

Extremely.

[JF Mezei]

>> If you did jailbreak, would that allow the iOS device to run an app that
>> was "codesigned" for another appleid/password?

Are apps codesigned to an AppleID, or just codesigned with Apple to
ensure the downloaded version is not modified?

Note to OP: if the app was originally downloaded with iTunes, then it
shoudl still be on your computer.

(~/Music/iTunes/Mobile Applications).

With new phone plugged in and iTunes running, you can drag the .ipa file
from the finder to the phone icon in Itunes and it SHOULD copy it to the
phone. (not exactly sure of the precise GUI object you have to drag the
.IPA file over in iTunes, so you may need to experiment). But the
ability to drag a .IPA file to uTunes to have it copy to the iPhone has
been documented by Apple when it closed the App store for iTunes.

[nospam]

In article <5a36ec62$0$19165$b1db1813$3686...@news.astraweb.com>, JF

Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Are apps codesigned to an AppleID,

yes, so that they can't be pirated.

[Lewis]

The app is code-signed by the developer with the developer certificate,
then the download is also signed by the end-user's Apple ID. This makes
it simple to deactivate malicious apps by revoking the developer
certificate.


--
To read makes our speaking English good.

[Harry Newton]

On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:43:09 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> If not, why not?
>
> because you turn the simplest things into a complete clusterfuck.

C'mon nospam.
The fact is that it can't be done on iOS while it's trivial on Android.
You call that fact an iOS clusterfuck and then you intimate it's me.

It's iOS' limitations that's the clusterfuck you speak of.
And you know this.

It's another example of iOS apologists' imaginary iOS functionality:

[Harry Newton]

On 16 Dec 2017 16:56:00 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Please. The only "dilemma" here is the one you are desperately trying to
> manufacture for the purposes of trying to make yourself feel better than
> everyone else. News flash: You have utterly FAILED in that endeavor.
> Meanwhile, while you fumble around in your confused ignorant stupor, the
> rest of us have already installed the app and left the fucking house.
> Later, old man!

Hi Jolly Roger,

I appreciate the humor. The more you realize iOS can't do the simplest of
things which just work on Android, the more vitriolically emotional you
get.

We all agree with you and nospam that iOS severe limitations on what the
user can do is a clusterfuck.

On Android, you just take any already installed free app and transfer it to
another Android phone, phone to phone, or any of a score of other ways.

On Android, it just works.

On iOS, it's impossible - so you start brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS
functionality that only exists in your mind.

I think that's funny. Don't you?

[Harry Newton]

On 16 Dec 2017 16:37:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> The obvious answer is because it's signed with a different Apple ID
> account than the one your iPad is using. So not only are you unable to
> do the simplest thing that the rest of us do easily, but you are so
> clueless as to how iOS works as to ask utterly stupid questions like the
> above. And you're supposedly smarter than everyone else on the planet.
> You are nothing but a foolish old man-child. I think we're done here.
> Ciao.

Heh heh heh .... . I really do appreciate the humor Jolly Roger. I do.

It's another example of iOS apologists' imaginary iOS functionality:
Why do iOS apologists incessantly fabricate fictional iOS functionality?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/vcq3ESStmlc/bjhf9Z5vBAAJ>

On Android, you just transfer any already installed app to any Android
phone you want. It just works.

On iOS, you're severely constrained, as always.
Apple decides for you what you can do.

As nospam said, iOS is a clusterfuck of severe limitations.

But I do appreciate your humor as the more you realize iOS can't do the
simplest of things, the more vitriolic you get. :)

[Harry Newton]

On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:40:29 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> You may be smarter than I am then...
>
> everyone is.

I'm only of average intelligence, if that.
You're somewhere around mine - only you're like James Comey.
You never tell the truth.
You're always trying to skew the data like a trial lawyer does.
I don't killfile you (like I did Snit) because you actually know what
you're talking about.

Jolly Roger I keep around for the humor ... and because he thinks like an
average iOS user thinks - because he's just plain dumb.

>
>> When I am on my iPads, my free apps never ask for the appleid/password.
>
> nor do paid apps, because they're codesigned with your appleid/password.

Yup. It's restricted like hell.
As you noted, iOS restrictions are the classic iOS clusterfuck.

On Android, passing apps from phone to phone just works.
On iOS, users *just give up*.

>
>> Why would a free app obtained from a friend ask for a codesigned
>> appleid/passwd credentials?
>
> because it's *his* app, codesigned to *his* appleid, not yours.

And yet, passing free apps from phone to phone *just works* on Android.

[Harry Newton]

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 04:57:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

>> he is.
>
> low bar.

Heh heh heh ... thanks Lewis.

Today is a funny day with both you and Jolly Roger claiming to be on top of
the heap of ignorance pile.

Normally I'd worry about insulting you - but with you - it doesn't matter.
I wouldn't insult David Empson, or SMS, or Your Name --- but you - it
doesn't matter.

Want to know why?
Because you add zero value to *any* conversation.

Just like Snit.
I killfiled him because he couldn't NOT post the same incorrect imaginary
iOS functionality 200 times and counting.

At least you give up when you lose (which is all the time) on facts.

[Harry Newton]

On 17 Dec 2017 19:23:33 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> low bar.
>
> Extremely.

Heh heh heh ... thanks for the humor.

From the two dumbest of the iOS users ... if you call "me" dumb ... heh heh
... you don't even have any idea how funny that is because what does that
make you if I'm dumb?

Unfortunately, you'll probably not comprehend the humor in this ...
But I do.

So thanks for the humor.

[Harry Newton]

On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:51:56 -0500, nospam wrote:

> since he's concerned with free apps, the other person only needs to
> download the app on their own. it's free. copying it directly has no
> benefit whatsoever.

Except that you didn't *comprehend* the subject line.
The app no longer *exists* on the app store.

You are clever, I agree, about twisting the details (like a good trial
lawyer and James Comey does).

But you know that iOS' limitations is a clusterfuck.
On Android, it just works.

On Android, you just take any already installed free app and transfer it to
another Android phone, phone to phone, or any of a score of other ways.

On Android, it just works.

On iOS, it's impossible - so you start brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS

functionality by twisting the subject line to suit iOS' limitations.

It's another example of iOS apologists' imaginary iOS functionality:

[Harry Newton]

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:14:57 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

> Note to OP: if the app was originally downloaded with iTunes, then it
> shoudl still be on your computer.

Thanks for being honest about what iOS does do instead of fabricating
functionality (ala Snit) or responding with childish vitriol (ala Jolly
Roger) or with twisted claims (ala nospam).

The whole point is to go from any one phone to another to transfer an
existing installed *older* app which is on the one phone but not on yours.

We all know the iOS user has to just give up because it can't be done.
That's the answer.

It's good to know why; but that doesn't change the answer.
It's just another case of what is trivial on Android is impossible on iOS.

I know iOS is the most successful mobile device platform on the planet, so,
all these severe iOS functional limitations are not hurting iPhone sales.

The iOS user is just a different kind of person than the Android user.
They're used to just giving up where the Android user just does it.

It's odd. It's strange. But it is what it is and that's all that matters.
I only speak fact.

[Harry Newton]

On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:40:28 -0500, nospam wrote:

> all apps are codesigned, which is one of many reasons why ios is very
> secure.
>
> free apps may not always be free and non-free apps might become free,
> so there is no special treatment for free apps. developers can (and
> often do) change the price at any time.

Thanks. There can be some good gleaned out of this iOS clusterfuck.

Lewis (of all people) mentioned one, which is the potential to revoke an
app's legitimacy. I don't if that happens with any frequency - and I don't
know how Android would do it - but it could be a minor advantage to the iOS
clusterfuck of restrictions.

I only speak fact.

[joe]

On 12/19/2017 04:13 AM, Harry Newton wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:51:56 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> since he's concerned with free apps, the other person only needs to
>> download the app on their own. it's free. copying it directly has no
>> benefit whatsoever.
>
> Except that you didn't *comprehend* the subject line.
> The app no longer *exists* on the app store.

The subject line did not indicate that the app no longer exists in the
App Store.

>
> You are clever, I agree, about twisting the details (like a good trial
> lawyer and James Comey does).
>
> But you know that iOS' limitations is a clusterfuck.
> On Android, it just works.
>
> On Android, you just take any already installed free app and transfer it to
> another Android phone, phone to phone, or any of a score of other ways.

Do you have distribution rights for the app? What does the EULA or other
licensing agreement for the app say about redistribution? Just because
it is free doesn't imply you have distribution rights.

>
> On Android, it just works.

It may work, but would the average Android user know how to do it?

>
> On iOS, it's impossible - so you start brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS
> functionality by twisting the subject line to suit iOS' limitations.

The limitations that bother you so much are there to help protect the
user and the app developer. For the app developer it helps control
unwanted/uncontrolled distribution of the app (piracy). For the user it
helps protect against apps that have been altered, or may contain malware.

For most, this is not a problem. You choose to make it one.

[Harry Newton]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 07:20:03 -0600, joe wrote:

> The subject line did not indicate that the app no longer exists in the
> App Store.

The question in the OP is (verbatim):
"What do you use to transfer an older already-installed app
from one iOS device to another iOS device?"

I asked the *same* question on Android - where the difference in how people
respond is like night and day between Android & iOS users.

Nobody on Android got hung up about anything. They just solved the problem.
On iOS, you get nospam twisting words and Jolly Roger making up imaginary
iOS functionality and then Monty Python-like arguments incessantly about
using iTunes (which solves nothing).

All the endless Apple/Not-Apple arguments are unilaterally because Apple
apologists hate facts so they fabricate imaginary iOS functionality.

> Do you have distribution rights for the app? What does the EULA or other
> licensing agreement for the app say about redistribution? Just because
> it is free doesn't imply you have distribution rights.

You iOS apologists are funny that way.

Because you can't do something, like bit torrenting, or automatic call
recording, or connecting a terabyte USB disk directly to your iOS device,
or simply transferring existing older versions of free apps to another
device, you make up all sorts of imaginary hurdles to the process to
justify the iOS clusterfuck.

The iOS user has to *just give up* all day every day whenever they want to
do anything that Android users just do all day every day.

That's why you apologize for what turns out to be the iOS inability to do
even the *simplest* of functional tasks.

>> On Android, it just works.
>
> It may work, but would the average Android user know how to do it?

Nobody on the Android newsgroups mentioned *any* problem transferring an
older installed device to any other phone. There are so many ways to do it
on Android that it's just not funny. You can even email the older already
installed app to someone - it's that easy.

On iOS you have to *just give up*.

It's just another case of what is trivial on Android is impossible on iOS.

I know iOS is the most successful mobile device platform on the planet, so,
all these severe iOS functional limitations are not hurting iPhone sales.

The iOS user is just a different kind of person than the Android user.
They're used to just giving up where the Android user just does it.

It's odd. It's strange. But it is what it is and that's all that matters.
I only speak fact.

>> On iOS, it's impossible - so you start brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS
>> functionality by twisting the subject line to suit iOS' limitations.
>
> The limitations that bother you so much are there to help protect the
> user and the app developer. For the app developer it helps control
> unwanted/uncontrolled distribution of the app (piracy). For the user it
> helps protect against apps that have been altered, or may contain malware.
>
> For most, this is not a problem. You choose to make it one.

Actually, I had a real problem to solve. The funny thing is that the iOS
user is so used to just giving up and not solving problems that they don't
even notice that they *just give up* all day every day.

What I needed was to give a friend on another Android phone an older
already installed app that I had which did a certain job better than the
newer apps do on the play store (my older app being about 3 or 4 years
old).

It took nothing to give the friend the older already installed app but then
I wondered how *others* do it - so I posted the *same* query to the Android
newsgroup and many answers resulted.

The quality of the results on Android newsgroups is far superior to that of
the iOS newsgroups.
Need to get an older app from one Android phone to another
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/Gulq1ehOWQw>

I think all the argument on the Apple newsgroups is simply because the
Apple apologists try to *fabricate* completely imaginary iOS functionality
that just doesn't exist.

Why do iOS apologists incessantly fabricate fictional iOS functionality?

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.ipad/vcq3ESStmlc>

Why?
I don't know why.

Maybe it's their way of apologizing for the lack of functionality on iOS.

[JF Mezei]

On 2017-12-19 12:23, Harry Newton wrote:

> The question in the OP is (verbatim):
> "What do you use to transfer an older already-installed app
> from one iOS device to another iOS device?"

Officially, you can't.

You can backup the app's data and restore it to another device. Simple
and supported. But you can't extract the actual app from an IOS device.

If the person used iTunes to install the app, then iTunes would have the
.IPA bundle (already posted this) which you can install in a supported
fashion onto another phone.

> or simply transferring existing older versions of free apps to another
> device, you make up all sorts of imaginary hurdles to the process to
> justify the iOS clusterfuck.

They are not imaginary hurdles. They are real and serve a purpose to
protect the IOS environment from malware. Apple goes through a lot of
effort to ensure you don't install older version of apps or IOS to
ensure you use most modern internal APIs and get the latest bug fixes to
eliminate viulnerabilities from the field.

There is a cost to this: inability to bypass the standard software
install mechanisms. To most, this is not a big cost as they get the
functionality they need.

(Apple further restricted software installation by closing the app store
on iTunes, so you now MUST use your tiny phone to research apps and
install them).

> The iOS user has to *just give up* all day every day whenever they want to
> do anything that Android users just do all day every day.

Copying old software from one android to another is not something people
do every day.

> on Android that it's just not funny. You can even email the older already
> installed app to someone - it's that easy.

Yep. that easy to email a compromised app to a friend to spread malware.
You're the darling of the NSA and other orgs.

> On iOS you have to *just give up*.
> It's just another case of what is trivial on Android is impossible on iOS.

Also another case of something Apple has done which Androi will follow
in some time in order to secure their platform.

I wouldn't brag so much about abilities that Android STILL has when
those are vulnerabilities likely to be closed in a coming release of
Android.

[nospam]

In article <bpc_B.1441$Qg....@fx19.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> (Apple further restricted software installation by closing the app store
> on iTunes,

that's not a restriction.

> so you now MUST use your tiny phone to research apps and
> install them).

which is what most people do, but regardless, older versions of itunes
continue to work and apple released another version which has the app
store.

you can also use an ipad, particularly a 12.9" ipad pro, if 'tiny
phone' is a problem.

> > The iOS user has to *just give up* all day every day whenever they want to
> > do anything that Android users just do all day every day.
>
> Copying old software from one android to another is not something people
> do every day.

or at all.

[joe]

On 12/19/2017 11:23 AM, Harry Newton wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 07:20:03 -0600, joe wrote:
>
>> The subject line did not indicate that the app no longer exists in the
>> App Store.
>

Interesting, I comment on your statement: "Except that you didn't

*comprehend* the subject line. The app no longer *exists* on the app

store." You choose to remove that context and respond with something
different. I made no comment about the body of the OP.

> The question in the OP is (verbatim):
> "What do you use to transfer an older already-installed app
> from one iOS device to another iOS device?"
>
> I asked the *same* question on Android - where the difference in how people
> respond is like night and day between Android & iOS users.
>
> Nobody on Android got hung up about anything. They just solved the problem.
> On iOS, you get nospam twisting words and Jolly Roger making up imaginary
> iOS functionality and then Monty Python-like arguments incessantly about
> using iTunes (which solves nothing).
>
> All the endless Apple/Not-Apple arguments are unilaterally because Apple
> apologists hate facts so they fabricate imaginary iOS functionality.
>
>> Do you have distribution rights for the app? What does the EULA or other
>> licensing agreement for the app say about redistribution? Just because
>> it is free doesn't imply you have distribution rights.
>

Here you ignore the questions or are unable to answer. Instead you
respond with unrelated garbage.

> You iOS apologists are funny that way.
>
> Because you can't do something, like bit torrenting, or automatic call
> recording, or connecting a terabyte USB disk directly to your iOS device,
> or simply transferring existing older versions of free apps to another
> device, you make up all sorts of imaginary hurdles to the process to
> justify the iOS clusterfuck.
>
> The iOS user has to *just give up* all day every day whenever they want to
> do anything that Android users just do all day every day.
>
> That's why you apologize for what turns out to be the iOS inability to do
> even the *simplest* of functional tasks.
>
>>> On Android, it just works.
>>
>> It may work, but would the average Android user know how to do it?
>

Again, you are incapable of answering a simple question.

> Nobody on the Android newsgroups mentioned *any* problem transferring an
> older installed device to any other phone. There are so many ways to do it
> on Android that it's just not funny. You can even email the older already
> installed app to someone - it's that easy.

Those that know how to do something will respond, but did you really
expect responses from those who don't know? The average user probably
does not know what an app file is.

[Harry Newton]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 12:56:22 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

>> The question in the OP is (verbatim):
>> "What do you use to transfer an older already-installed app
>> from one iOS device to another iOS device?"
>
> Officially, you can't.

Thanks. I know that now. It's not that I didn't half expect that to be the
answer, as more often than not, if it isn't already scripted for you by
Apple Marketing, then the user has to just give up.

I think we have the answer now, which is that the older free app is
codesigned such that even if you did transfer it, it wouldn't work because
you're never going to have the appleid/password of the original downloader
of the free app.

> You can backup the app's data and restore it to another device. Simple
> and supported. But you can't extract the actual app from an IOS device.

That's too bad that you can't extract the app from the iOS device because
Android does that aplenty. If the app is already installed, you just hit a
button and it's backed up to a ZIP file which is easily transferred to any
other Android phone (even system apps). Not all apps brought over to a
different hardware will work but my experience so far has been that most
do.

> If the person used iTunes to install the app, then iTunes would have the
> .IPA bundle (already posted this) which you can install in a supported
> fashion onto another phone.

But it's still going to ask for the original downloader's appleid/password
(which doesn't happen on Android so it's a more restricted use model).

> They are not imaginary hurdles. They are real and serve a purpose to
> protect the IOS environment from malware. Apple goes through a lot of
> effort to ensure you don't install older version of apps or IOS to
> ensure you use most modern internal APIs and get the latest bug fixes to
> eliminate viulnerabilities from the field.

OK. I'm not saying that Android is safer than iOS, as you probably well
know that I always posit that nobody is safe on a consumer mobile device.

Apple MARKETING goes to great lengths to make iOS users *feel* safe, but
the fact is that the weakest link is the same on all mobile devices.

> There is a cost to this: inability to bypass the standard software
> install mechanisms. To most, this is not a big cost as they get the
> functionality they need.

I have both iOS and Android devices, just as I have Windows and Linux
devices, where I find that when I need functionality, Android gives it to
me as does Linux. When I want push-button solutions that everyone else does
all the time - then they all do that.

The platforms are only different when you want to do something functional,
like debug a wifi or cellular network. Or if you just want to copy an
already-installed free app from one phone to the other.

> (Apple further restricted software installation by closing the app store
> on iTunes, so you now MUST use your tiny phone to research apps and
> install them).

That's too bad since I hate the little screens of phones, which is why I
almost never use the web browsers on phones. For example, I watch and play
and download and extract audio from YouTube with a freeware app called "New
Pipe", so that I have all the power but not the ads or limitations of
YouTube.

If functionality like that existed on iOS, LOTS of users would use it.

>> The iOS user has to *just give up* all day every day whenever they want to
>> do anything that Android users just do all day every day.
>
> Copying old software from one android to another is not something people
> do every day.

The rest of that paragraph you're responding to listed offhand three or
four things that I do all day every day (e.g., automatic call recording),
which Android users *do* use all day every day and which are impossible on
iOS.

What is automatic call recording impossible on a non-jailbroken iOS device?
I don't know. You tell me.

All I know is that there is plenty we do all day every day on Android that
is just impossible on iOS. You can pick any one thing but I can easily list
a hundred things (literally) where you know we've already been there.

>> on Android that it's just not funny. You can even email the older already
>> installed app to someone - it's that easy.
>
> Yep. that easy to email a compromised app to a friend to spread malware.
> You're the darling of the NSA and other orgs.

You can spread FUD - but what I've learned is that the iOS user just wants
to *feel* safe (not actually be safe). The NSA has absolutely no problem
tracking you if they want to track you - on any consumer grade mobile
device.

The weakest link in a mobile device is the same no matter what the mobile
device. You think the NSA, with all it's billions, doesn't know that?

If you think an iOS device "protects" you from the NSA, then you are out of
your mind.

>> On iOS you have to *just give up*.
>> It's just another case of what is trivial on Android is impossible on iOS.
>
> Also another case of something Apple has done which Androi will follow
> in some time in order to secure their platform.

It is sad actually that some things on iOS (e.g., utterly horrific prices)
have filtered down into the Android world (which is something nospam gloats
about with glee since any fool can find a lousy price-to-performance
comparison).

Luckily, there are always Android devices with the same hardware
functionality as iOS devices for about half the price - and we already know
that the app functionality of almost any Android device is far greater than
that of any iOS device in general.

> I wouldn't brag so much about abilities that Android STILL has when
> those are vulnerabilities likely to be closed in a coming release of
> Android.

I don't think Android will close the ability for an app to create an APK
from an already installed app but if they do, we'll deal with it. Certainly
once the app is in the APK zip file format, transferring it from one phone
to another has so many methods that it isn't funny. And they don't need a
desktop computer to do something as simple as transfer a file.

Having said all that, I admire your better balanced approach, where you
don't stoop to fabricating imaginary functionality for iOS like Jolly Roger
does. Nor do you twist the facts to suit your argument, which nospam does.

It's refreshing to find an iOS owner who can handle the basic facts.

[nospam]

In article <p1dtgt$19s3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> That's too bad that you can't extract the app from the iOS device

of course you can.

well, everyone other than you can.

> For example, I watch and play
> and download and extract audio from YouTube with a freeware app called "New
> Pipe", so that I have all the power but not the ads or limitations of
> YouTube.
>
> If functionality like that existed on iOS, LOTS of users would use it.

it does, and some do, and you've even been told how to do it.

[JF Mezei]

On 2017-12-20 11:42, nospam wrote:

>> That's too bad that you can't extract the app from the iOS device
>
> of course you can.
>
> well, everyone other than you can.

Made me curious. How does one copy an app that is on an iPhone to a
hard disk on a computer?

[Snit]

On 12/19/17, 3:02 AM, in article p1ao41$ida$1...@gioia.aioe.org, "Harry Newton"

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:40:29 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>>> You may be smarter than I am then...
>>
>> everyone is.
>
> I'm only of average intelligence, if that.
> You're somewhere around mine - only you're like James Comey.
> You never tell the truth.
> You're always trying to skew the data like a trial lawyer does.
> I don't killfile you (like I did Snit) because you actually know what
> you're talking about.

You claimed to KF me because I proved you wrong so many times. By your own
count it was in the hundreds... and the fact you counted it showed how much
it bothered you.

[Snit]

On 12/19/17, 3:05 AM, in article p1ao8l$ilc$1...@gioia.aioe.org, "Harry Newton"

You ran from me after I kept proving you wrong and challenged you to find
the last post of yours where you did not lie... and you failed to point to
ANY.

[Harry Newton]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:42:42 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> That's too bad that you can't extract the app from the iOS device
> of course you can.
> well, everyone other than you can.

I don't know why you lie so blatantly and fabricate non-existent iOS
functionality, so all I can say is that it's a trait of all the iOS
apologists.

Suffice to say that it's completely automatic on Android to back up any
already installed app (even existing system apps and carrier bloatware) to
an APK that is stored anywhere you want, whether you store that APK on the
system memory or in an sdcard or on an OTG drive or directly phone to phone
or over WiFi to a computer or whatever.

There are so many ways on Android to automatically or manually extract,
store, and transfer any newly installed or already installed app (including
all the versions you installed over time) that it isn't funny.

On Android, it just works.

>> For example, I watch and play
>> and download and extract audio from YouTube with a freeware app called "New
>> Pipe", so that I have all the power but not the ads or limitations of
>> YouTube.
>>
>> If functionality like that existed on iOS, LOTS of users would use it.
>
> it does, and some do, and you've even been told how to do it.

C'mon nospam. Only the iOS gullibles are as dumb as you need them to be in
order in order to believe anything you say about your imaginary iOS
functionality.

On Android, you load the open-source freeware called New Pipe (not the one
on the App Store which is a copy that has adware embedded in it but the
original one on F-Droid).

With New Pipe, you *never* see ads. Never. Never. Never. Never. Never.

You can easily extract the audio or video, search, play, etc., but the real
jewel is that you *never* see ads.

Q: How do iOS users watch any YouTube video in real time without any ads?
A: ?

[nospam]

In article <p1edic$6vj$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> Suffice to say that it's completely automatic on Android to back up any
> already installed app

no it isn't.

backing up on android is *not* automatic, particularly for you, who
avoids using the google play store, which would have a record of what
apps you installed.

> Q: How do iOS users watch any YouTube video in real time without any ads?
> A: ?

easily, and you were even told how.

you ignore it so that you can troll.

[sobriquet]

The ipa files don't get stored on the iphone.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29742570/how-to-get-ipa-file-path

So that would only work with a jailbroken ios device.

Nospam is talking out of his ass as usual.

[nospam]

In article <66f64192-a93d-45ae...@googlegroups.com>,

sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> The ipa files don't get stored on the iphone.

nonsense.

[Jolly Roger]

Sync the device with iTunes, then look in this folder:

~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Mobile Applications

Magic!

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[JF Mezei]

On 2017-12-20 16:03, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Sync the device with iTunes, then look in this folder:
>
> ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Mobile Applications

I was under the impression that Sync never brought apps from IOS to the Mac.

I just checked and apps I downloaded to IOS direct from IOS App Store
*should* according to you be in the Mobile Applications folder after a
sync, and they are not.

[nospam]

In article <9vB_B.1759$Sk2....@fx05.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> > Sync the device with iTunes, then look in this folder:
> >
> > ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Mobile Applications
>
> I was under the impression that Sync never brought apps from IOS to the Mac.

as usual, your impressions are wrong.

it's exactly how it's worked up until app slicing.

since sliced apps only work on another of the same device (they lack
the bits for other devices), so the link to the app is synced and other
devices automatically get the app as if it was copied.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-12-20, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-12-20 16:03, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Sync the device with iTunes, then look in this folder:
>>
>> ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Mobile Applications
>
> I was under the impression that Sync never brought apps from IOS to the Mac.

Nah. It did exactly that up until app slicing came around (iOS 9?).

> I just checked and apps I downloaded to IOS direct from IOS App Store
> *should* according to you be in the Mobile Applications folder after a
> sync, and they are not.

iTunes will automatically download any app you install on any device
from the App Store to your iTunes library if you have iTunes Preferences
> Downloads > Automatic Downloads > Apps. Turn on this feature, and
eventually you'll have all your IPAs in the previously mentioned folder.

I have archives of every version of every app installed on all of my iOS
devices using this method. And I can install old versions of apps that
aren't even on the App Store anymore just by dragging the IPA into
iTunes.

[JF Mezei]

On 2017-12-20 21:04, Jolly Roger wrote:

> iTunes will automatically download any app you install on any device
> from the App Store to your iTunes library if you have iTunes Preferences
>> Downloads > Automatic Downloads > Apps.

This is gone with the current version of iTunes. And since iTunes
hasn't copied apps from the phone back to the Mac for years (if it ever
did) it is wrong to claim that it is a means to copy apps that is on a
phone to the mac.

Why can't you just admit that Apple has designed it such that you can't
copy an app from the phone to the mac ?

[Harry Newton]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 00:07:05 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

> Why can't you just admit that Apple has designed it such that you can't
> copy an app from the phone to the mac ?

What's strange about Apple apologists, which I've noticed over the years,
is that they can't admit the truth.

Facts hurt them.

So they brazenly fabricate functionality that only the iOS gullibles are
dumb enough to believe. Most of the time they *twist* the actual facts
(like a trial lawyer would) so that the dumb "jury" of iOS gullibles will
"infer" that it can be done.

But it can't.

There's an entire thread on this tendency of Apple apologists to just
brazenly fabricate imaginary functionality where nobody knows why they do
this incessantly - day in and day out - but it's the main reason for the
never-ending threads because truthful people have to just give up trying to
have an adult conversation with these Apple Apologists.

Why do iOS apologists incessantly fabricate fictional iOS functionality?

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/vcq3ESStmlc/bjhf9Z5vBAAJ>

Nospam and Jolly Roger did it a bunch of times in this thread alone.
They're like James Comey. Everything is political. Nothing is truthful.

[Harry Newton]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:35:28 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Suffice to say that it's completely automatic on Android to back up any
>> already installed app
>
> no it isn't.

You flipped a coin and it landed on the wrong side. Again.

It sure as hell is completely automatic on Android.

I have "App Backup & Restore" freeware which is set to automatically back
up to my sd card EVERY version of every app that is installed. It does this
at the time of installation and is *completely automatic*.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.usage.appbackup>

> backing up on android is *not* automatic, particularly for you, who
> avoids using the google play store, which would have a record of what
> apps you installed.

You guess wrong. Again. (You just flip a coin.)

Plenty of apps back up anything you install at the time you install it.

I use an older version of this app which is *completely* automatic:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.usage.appbackup>

It doesn't matter *where* you get your apps from (I use F-Droid a lot).
They're backed up to the sdcard automatically the moment you install them.

>> Q: How do iOS users watch any free YouTube video in real time without any ads?

>> A: ?
>
> easily, and you were even told how.
> you ignore it so that you can troll.

You flipped a coin and you got it wrong. Again.

Only iOS gullibes are dumb enough to believe in your imaginary iOS functionality.

Why do iOS apologists incessantly fabricate fictional iOS functionality?

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/vcq3ESStmlc/bjhf9Z5vBAAJ>

Why do you apologists incessantly fabricate fictional iOS functionality?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-12-21, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-12-20 21:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> iTunes will automatically download any app you install on any device
>> from the App Store to your iTunes library if you have iTunes
>> Preferences > Downloads > Automatic Downloads > Apps.
>
> This is gone with the current version of iTunes.

Nope, it's still there in the *official* version of iTunes Apple
recommends using if you need this functionality:

"certain business partners might still need to use iTunes to install
apps...you can download this version of iTunes on your Mac, PC 32-bit or
PC 64-bit* and run the installer. After installation is complete, you
can continue to deploy apps with iTunes"

<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208079>

> it is wrong to claim that it is a means to copy apps that is on a
> phone to the mac.

Nice try, FUDster, but: FAIL. That's not a claim I've made. What I have
said iTunes will automatically download IPA files for each app you've
installed on any of your iOS devices. And that means you have the IPAs
you want. Trolls will naturally act like it matters so fucking much
*how* the IPA files got there, which completely misses the point that
you *have* them on your *computer*, which is essentially the task at
hand.

While you balk at methods and minor details, I've got every single
version of every single app I've ever installed on my iOS devices
archived for future use, thanks to iTunes. And I barely had to lift a
finger to do it.

> Why can't you just admit that Apple has designed it such that you
> can't copy an app from the phone to the mac ?

I never claimed otherwise; just as I was never foolish enough to think
that's the only or best way to do it. I have my apps archived. Do you?
Of course not.

[Savageduck]

On Dec 20, 2017, JF Mezei wrote
(in article <_jH_B.17775$la6....@fx24.iad>):

Strange...., I seem to have a whole bunch of iOS apps backed up from my
various iPhones and iPads, to my Mac via iTunes. Here is a sampling of the
557 I have backed up. Not all of these are installed, and some of them will
not function on iOS 11.2.1.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/5aouxcri6u9kh7n/screenshot_259.png>

--

Regards,
Savageduck

[nospam]

In article <_jH_B.17775$la6....@fx24.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> > iTunes will automatically download any app you install on any device
> > from the App Store to your iTunes library if you have iTunes Preferences
> >> Downloads > Automatic Downloads > Apps.
>
> This is gone with the current version of iTunes.

it's gone with *one* of the current versions, not the other one.

> And since iTunes
> hasn't copied apps from the phone back to the Mac for years (if it ever
> did)

it always did and still does, with the exception of sliced apps.

> it is wrong to claim that it is a means to copy apps that is on a
> phone to the mac.

it's not wrong.

> Why can't you just admit that Apple has designed it such that you can't
> copy an app from the phone to the mac ?

because that statement is false.

[nospam]

In article <p1fgr1$1iu2$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

>
> >> Suffice to say that it's completely automatic on Android to back up any
> >> already installed app
> >
> > no it isn't.
>

> It sure as hell is completely automatic on Android.

no, it definitely isn't.

> I have "App Backup & Restore" freeware

which means you have to choose a backup app, install it, configure it,
etc.

it also doesn't back up everything (which requires root).

[Harry Newton]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:32:25 -0800 (PST), sobriquet wrote:

> Nospam is talking out of his ass as usual.

Sobriquet,

May I ask you a question of WHY nospam fabricates imaginary iOS
functionality so much?

While Jolly Roger, Lewis, and Snit also incessantly fabricate imaginary iOS
functionality - they're just stupid. So they don't know any better.

But nospam isn't stupid.
He's just lying.

But why?

Why does he bother claiming imaginary iOS functionality in almost every
thread?

What benefit is there to claiming functionality that doesn't exist?

[Harry Newton]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:12:53 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> It sure as hell is completely automatic on Android.
>
> no, it definitely isn't.

C'mon nospam. You're not that stupid.

You know it is automatic.
And yet - you still blatantly lie.

Why do you even bother to incessantly lie?
I never could figure out that trait common in all you iOS apologists.

>> I have "App Backup & Restore" freeware
>
> which means you have to choose a backup app, install it, configure it,
> etc.

So what.
You configure a *lot* of things on your phone.
Like automatic phone call recording.
Or automatic text replies.
Or automatic out-of-office messages.
etc.

The fact you have to set a switch doesn't make it not automatic.
You are like a freakin' trial lawyer - always twisting facts to suit your
particular lie.

>
> it also doesn't back up everything (which requires root).

It backs up system apps. It backs up installed apps. It backs up every
version if you update an app. It backs up carrier apps (e.g., bloatware).

It backs up no matter where you install it from (e.g., F-Droid or Google
Play) and it even backs up apps you installed from an APK.

And it backs up those apps even AFTER they have been installed if that's
what you want it to do.

It's yet another functionality Android has that iOS users who want it have
to do the thing all iOS users do all day every day which is *just give up*.

[Snit]

On 12/21/17, 12:53 PM, in article p1h3f7$5ve$1...@gioia.aioe.org, "Harry

Dude... stop crying about how I showed you things iOS can do that Android
cannot (even you admitted it needed extra hardware to do even PART of what I
showed).

The videos YOU linked to showing how poorly Android handles even part of the
stated task poorly:

<https://youtu.be/cywLOctCrCs>
<https://youtu.be/bYDvgoYSVSU>
<https://youtu.be/G0sKTWfHHnk>
<https://youtu.be/TfvtREsCQDY>

Those videos claim Android handles the task so poorly that to even get the
first line requires extra hardware. You even claimed the list "goes on
forever". Wow... YOU showed Android is far worse at this than I thought!

And now that you get that you are having a very emotional toddler tantrum.
Which I am feeding. :)

[lew]

How about telling us about a REAL file manager for ios?? A filemanager
that actually lets one to look at the files on the ios device & do
basic things like copy/paste/rename/delete? And why is ios not
allowing a person to read a book in the book folder instead of
forcing one to do a copy to the reader app?? Also how ios is
a money making scheme to have people paid for more storage
in the cloud because ios is just a remote terminal to a 'mainframe'?

[Snit]

On 12/21/17, 2:14 PM, in article p1h87q$li4$1...@dont-email.me, "lew"

Not sure how that relates. Without even going through your list, nobody said
that Android did not have features and capabilities iOS does not.

What "Harry" claims, though, is that iOS lacks any features / capabilities
Android does not have -- which is clearly just nonsense. Heck, to do even a
PART of what I showed on iOS he used a rooted Android device (which goes
against his own comments about NOT doing so).

[nospam]

In article <p1h87q$li4$1...@dont-email.me>, lew

<citrus...@google.mailer.company.invalid> wrote:

> How about telling us about a REAL file manager for ios?? A filemanager
> that actually lets one to look at the files on the ios device & do
> basic things like copy/paste/rename/delete?

because ios goes beyond the limitations of the file system. copy/paste
files is old school thinking, however, there is a files app for those
who need it.

> And why is ios not
> allowing a person to read a book in the book folder instead of
> forcing one to do a copy to the reader app??

sandboxing, which makes it substantially more secure.

also, 'forcing one to do a copy' is nothing more than a tap to open a
document with another app.

> Also how ios is
> a money making scheme to have people paid for more storage
> in the cloud because ios is just a remote terminal to a 'mainframe'?

complete nonsense.

[sobriquet]

I have no idea why he does it, but I think anyone who can't back
up their statements with screenshots, links or a youtube movie
to actually substantiate their claims, can be assumed to talk out
of their ass.

If you call nospam's claims into question, he just comes up with
his usual pointless 'nonsense' reply.

Sometimes he also can be helpful though, but most of the time he is
just making stuff up and making idiotic claims without substantiating
his claims.

It seems he's clearly in denial about the facts regarding the
idiotic restrictions Apple imposes on iOS. They rip people off making
them pay way too much for a device with lots of flash memory and
then they don't even allow people to access that memory in a
convenient fashion (forcing them to resort to cloud sharing
'services' to rip them off some more).

[nospam]

In article <d085a8f6-2361-4c4e...@googlegroups.com>,

sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> It seems he's clearly in denial about the facts regarding the
> idiotic restrictions Apple imposes on iOS. They rip people off making
> them pay way too much for a device with lots of flash memory and
> then they don't even allow people to access that memory in a
> convenient fashion (forcing them to resort to cloud sharing
> 'services' to rip them off some more).

nonsense. there is absolutely no restriction in accessing the contents
of an ios device, without using cloud services.

[sobriquet]

Maybe in iOS 11, which introduced an actual filemanager that android has
had for ages.
Though I only believe it when I see someone actually demonstrating it
with a screenshot.

But on my jailbroken iPad with iOS 9, I can't download a file directly
to my flashmemory.

If I download a file from a filesharing site, it only offers the
option to save it to dropbox, while I have 16 gb of flashmemory, which
would be the most obvious and convenient place to download a file.
Note, I want to *save* the file, I don't want to *open* it in an app.

http://ge.tt/8Lp78pn2

http://i.imgur.com/ilrbUde.png

While on my android phone I can just download the file to the
flashmemory without resorting to any idiotic intermediate
cloudservices.

[nospam]

In article <af074df4-e838-42db...@googlegroups.com>,

sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > It seems he's clearly in denial about the facts regarding the
> > > idiotic restrictions Apple imposes on iOS. They rip people off making
> > > them pay way too much for a device with lots of flash memory and
> > > then they don't even allow people to access that memory in a
> > > convenient fashion (forcing them to resort to cloud sharing
> > > 'services' to rip them off some more).
> >
> > nonsense. there is absolutely no restriction in accessing the contents
> > of an ios device, without using cloud services.
>
> Maybe in iOS 11, which introduced an actual filemanager that android has
> had for ages.

all versions.

you refuse to learn how.

> Though I only believe it when I see someone actually demonstrating it
> with a screenshot.

been there done, that. you aren't interested in learning, because then
you couldn't hate.

> But on my jailbroken iPad with iOS 9, I can't download a file directly
> to my flashmemory.

then you're inept.

[harry newton]

He who is sobriquet said on Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:29:29 -0800 (PST):

> While on my android phone I can just download the file to the
> flashmemory without resorting to any idiotic intermediate
> cloudservices.

The amount of functionality on even a five-year-old Android device so
vastly dwarfs that on *any* iOS device that it isn't funny.

[harry newton]

He who is nospam said on Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:39:53 -0500:

> nonsense. there is absolutely no restriction in accessing the contents
> of an ios device, without using cloud services.

See Sobriquet what nospam says?

I think he's smart, but just ill educated.

It shows in all that he writes.

So it's not his fault as much as his lack of formal education.

I guess we can blame his parents for not sending him to a good school.

[harry newton]

He who is sobriquet said on Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:36:38 -0800 (PST):

> I have no idea why he does it, but I think anyone who can't back
> up their statements with screenshots, links or a youtube movie
> to actually substantiate their claims, can be assumed to talk out
> of their ass.

True. Anyone well educated knows how to back up claims with references.
It may just be that nospam is not well educated.

> If you call nospam's claims into question, he just comes up with
> his usual pointless 'nonsense' reply.

I don't think nospam is stupid.
He may just never have been taught the scientific method.

He's clearly not an engineer nor a scientist - but he's not stupid.
He's just a bold liar.

What's odd is that he lies incessantly - where you'd think that people
would catch that - but they're so gullible - there's an iOS Apologist born
every minute.

> Sometimes he also can be helpful though, but most of the time he is
> just making stuff up and making idiotic claims without substantiating
> his claims.

I agree. People like Snit, for example, beg to be killfiled because they're
*never* helpful. Jolly Roger we keep around because he's so funny. And
Lewis, well, Lewis is so dumb that he's a great example of the typical iOS
user.

Once in a while, nospam actually answers a question correctly.

But his accuracy is far worse than 50% so again, I think he is just likely
ill educated since he'd flunk out of even high school, let alone college or
grad school with such dismal accuracy of results.

> It seems he's clearly in denial about the facts regarding the
> idiotic restrictions Apple imposes on iOS. They rip people off making
> them pay way too much for a device with lots of flash memory and
> then they don't even allow people to access that memory in a
> convenient fashion (forcing them to resort to cloud sharing
> 'services' to rip them off some more).

I don't think he's in denial so much as he's so ill educated that he can't
comprehend simple facts.

He's *capable* of comprehending the facts - so he's not stupid.
He's just not educated all that well I think.

Not like we are anyway where it's clear we're highly well educated.