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Moor Larkin
Apr 30, 2012, 6:27:11 AM4/30/12
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The presence of personal photographs belonging to Patrick McGoohan on the walls of Nelson Brenner's house in "Identity Crisis" is a reasonably well-known occurrence of McGoohan's love of on-screen in-jokes, but watching the end of "Murder with Too Many Notes" yesterday afternoon, I suddenly noticed the seemingly random song that Columbo asks the girl on the keyboard to play, which turned out to be that old rhyme: "Nick Nack Paddywhack, give the dog a bone..."
Then, as the credits rolled, I noticed a character was called Tomblin ..........
There seem to be moor coincidences than a man can shake a stick at sometimes. Any moor any One ?
Linda Schley
Apr 30, 2012, 3:32:01 PM4/30/12
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there are so many, i will review my notes and get
back with you. one quick one...if you can see through the poor picture
quality he had some of the same pictures on the wall as used in identity crisis,
in the series rafferty. you have to work to see them. please
forgive me if i repeat myself but the T33 silverstar photo in identity
crisis, could it have been a still from many happy returns, same fighter
trainer, same good looking guy in a flight suit.
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Moor Larkin
Apr 30, 2012, 5:34:23 PM4/30/12
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I remember when Nelson uses the line about his "Queen of Siam" I was
knocked sideways, because of course his wife Joan had been one of the
Principal Wives in "The King & I" in 1953. However, who would have
known that at the time, apart from him and Joan? I doubt even Peter
Falk knew the private significance of that line, and how did Patrick
sneak it into the script anyway? Amazing. It's like he was playing own
little secret agent game..... :-D
ML
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knocked sideways, because of course his wife Joan had been one of the
Principal Wives in "The King & I" in 1953. However, who would have
known that at the time, apart from him and Joan? I doubt even Peter
Falk knew the private significance of that line, and how did Patrick
sneak it into the script anyway? Amazing. It's like he was playing own
little secret agent game..... :-D
ML
On Apr 30, 8:32 pm, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
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> there are so many, i will review my notes and get back with you. one quick one...if you can see through the poor picture quality he had some of the same pictures on the wall as used in identity crisis, in the series rafferty. you have to work to see them. please forgive me if i repeat myself but the T33 silverstar photo in identity crisis, could it have been a still from many happy returns, same fighter trainer, same good looking guy in a flight suit.
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> The presence of personal photographs belonging to Patrick McGoohan on the walls of Nelson Brenner's house in "Identity Crisis" is a reasonably well-known occurrence of McGoohan's love of on-screen in-jokes, but watching the end of "Murder with Too Many Notes" yesterday afternoon, I suddenly noticed the seemingly random song that Columbo asks the girl on the keyboard to play, which turned out to be that old rhyme: "Nick Nack Paddywhack, give the dog a bone..."
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> The presence of personal photographs belonging to Patrick McGoohan on the walls of Nelson Brenner's house in "Identity Crisis" is a reasonably well-known occurrence of McGoohan's love of on-screen in-jokes, but watching the end of "Murder with Too Many Notes" yesterday afternoon, I suddenly noticed the seemingly random song that Columbo asks the girl on the keyboard to play, which turned out to be that old rhyme: "Nick Nack Paddywhack, give the dog a bone..."
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Linda Schley
Apr 30, 2012, 6:10:03 PM4/30/12
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mahjong!
Moor Larkin
May 2, 2012, 5:17:06 AM5/2/12
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Yes indeed, but I was moor thinking how did he squeeze it past the
producer/script-writer?
I'm imagining how William Driskill was reacting, "What's all this guff
about Siam doing in my script?" .............. :-D
It seems Patrick had his ways. I even wonder if he just "did it".
He was the director, and once it was in there, the company wouldn't
want to have to reshoot all the scenes...
But then I guess, he would have had to have Peter Falk's co-operation
at least, to learn the lines ...... :-D
If you watch that whole scene, Falk really seems to have a look of
bafflement during much of the dialogue and the tour of the wall of
fame, so I do wonder if he was in on the changes, but not really
knowing exactly why Patrick was doing this or what it was all about.
It adds a frisson of fun when I watch that section. It includes that
non-existent language Brenner adopts too, which reminds me of the
fantasy language he created for The Prisoner... Tik Tik .... :-D)))))
ML
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producer/script-writer?
I'm imagining how William Driskill was reacting, "What's all this guff
about Siam doing in my script?" .............. :-D
It seems Patrick had his ways. I even wonder if he just "did it".
He was the director, and once it was in there, the company wouldn't
want to have to reshoot all the scenes...
But then I guess, he would have had to have Peter Falk's co-operation
at least, to learn the lines ...... :-D
If you watch that whole scene, Falk really seems to have a look of
bafflement during much of the dialogue and the tour of the wall of
fame, so I do wonder if he was in on the changes, but not really
knowing exactly why Patrick was doing this or what it was all about.
It adds a frisson of fun when I watch that section. It includes that
non-existent language Brenner adopts too, which reminds me of the
fantasy language he created for The Prisoner... Tik Tik .... :-D)))))
ML
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carolinedunstable
May 2, 2012, 12:02:27 PM5/2/12
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I got quite a few but the ones that stand out are from Ashes to Ashes
(my copy of which has buried itself somewhere!)
...firstly the Edward Prince moniker (King Edward/Edward Prince)
... then when Rhue Mc(??) all dressed in scarlet to attend the funeral
is treating him to the highlights of her tell-all Enquirer style
piece.....you must remember that bit about how a" has been/never was
actor" came over from Britain and ended up running a funeral
parlour...it's a lovely piece of self-mocking by McGoohan, would have
given the full quote but.........
....And as well ....there's when Columbo and Edward are trying to work
out what/who the initials in her diary are standing in for..."SB mmmm
maybe that stands for Sandra Bullock (co-star from A Time to Kill)???
or perhaps Stephen Bochco" (previously a long-time Columbo writer and
then was huge as big cheese TV detective show creator) ???? Love
these little moments they shared....
(my copy of which has buried itself somewhere!)
...firstly the Edward Prince moniker (King Edward/Edward Prince)
... then when Rhue Mc(??) all dressed in scarlet to attend the funeral
is treating him to the highlights of her tell-all Enquirer style
piece.....you must remember that bit about how a" has been/never was
actor" came over from Britain and ended up running a funeral
parlour...it's a lovely piece of self-mocking by McGoohan, would have
given the full quote but.........
....And as well ....there's when Columbo and Edward are trying to work
out what/who the initials in her diary are standing in for..."SB mmmm
maybe that stands for Sandra Bullock (co-star from A Time to Kill)???
or perhaps Stephen Bochco" (previously a long-time Columbo writer and
then was huge as big cheese TV detective show creator) ???? Love
these little moments they shared....
carolinedunstable
May 2, 2012, 12:33:06 PM5/2/12
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Yes, Linda u did mention that one from Identity Crisis, AND I keep
meaning to compare the Silverstar photo with that plane in "Many Happy
Returns" but haven't done it yet...BUT.I really think you're right
anyway....the head could have been pasted in from "Dambusters"... the
hairline wouldn't have needed much thinning.....
I also like how he self-mockingly and rather wickedly was prepared to
use his vanishing hair as part of the plot! And how he revealed the
"secret" of his hair piece at the end of that episode (even if he
didn't doff it completely until Scanners.)
And any thoughts on this one ???( I have mentioned it before)... what
about the photo of the pregnant and absent glamour puss wife of Don
Juan in DM's "A Man To Be Trusted??" It has to be "HER INDOORS!"
Esp. with all that dialogue "himself" must have put in about......"a
woman's never truly beautiful until she's had children" ...and how
lovingly and gently he placed the photo back in pride of place....
.....I presume that it has to be a head-shot of Joan Drummond probably
taken around her time in "The King and I" as Wife No. 1(??) Wot do u
think???
> there are so many, i will review my notes and get back with you. one quick one...if you can see through the poor picture quality he had some of the same pictures on the wall as used in identity crisis, in the series rafferty. you have to work to see them. please forgive me if i repeat myself but the T33 silverstar photo in identity crisis, could it have been a still from many happy returns, same fighter trainer, same good looking guy in a flight suit.
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> The presence of personal photographs belonging to Patrick McGoohan on the walls of Nelson Brenner's house in "Identity Crisis" is a reasonably well-known occurrence of McGoohan's love of on-screen in-jokes, but watching the end of "Murder with Too Many Notes" yesterday afternoon, I suddenly noticed the seemingly random song that Columbo asks the girl on the keyboard to play, which turned out to be that old rhyme: "Nick Nack Paddywhack, give the dog a bone..."
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carolinedunstable
May 2, 2012, 2:20:34 PM5/2/12
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I love "Identity Crisis," it's a great story and script and everything
seems to "work." If only PMG had had more opportunities to direct,
write and star in quality stuff like this.
Like Moor, I'm surprised by a lot of what he got away with in
"Identity Crisis"...Take that mysterious Elizabethan/Jacobean portrait
taken from "Mary, Queen of Scots," was it supposed to be one of Nelson
Bremmer's forefathers perhaps????
And that street scene - talk about filming "on the hoof!" As Columbo/
Falk and his sergeant (Bruce Kirby Snr) leave the hotel and continue
their dialogue on the pavement most of downtown LA are stopped dead in
their tracks gawping at them..I'm not sure if Peter Falk is laughing
because of the script or just enjoying the fact that good old McGoohan
was making no concessions to conventional filming (as usual)....Wot a
wonderful cheek PMG had!! love "Identity Crisis," it's a great story
and script and everything seems to "work." If only PMG had had more
opportunities to direct, write and star in quality stuff like this.
Peter Falk said that when u got PMG then a script rewrite was "a
given" and usually all the better for it. I'm sure that with the
control Peter had on Columbo Patrick would be able to do whatever he
liked as long as his star liked it too. That baffled look was textbook
Columbo and how much was acted and how much was genuine bewilderment
at the speed of his delivery or change of direction we will probably
never know.
THE RUNNING GAG ...ever notice how in every Columbo they acted in
together Pat had Peter running throughout the whole thing?? "Lets
walk and talk" says busy, busy Pat and little Pete has to go like the
clappers to keep up with him. In "Agenda for Murder" he races away in
his car almost throwing Peter to the ground. O how they must have
laughed:)
Linda Schley
May 3, 2012, 1:15:28 AM5/3/12
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i have this one memorized Once handsome, never was actor from England
didnt make it here either gets a job in a hollywood mortuary. the mortician
takes a liking to him and soon the actor becomes a mortician himself. (she
deserved what she got! ) wow i never thought about the edward thing,
excellent.....
didnt make it here either gets a job in a hollywood mortuary. the mortician
takes a liking to him and soon the actor becomes a mortician himself. (she
deserved what she got! ) wow i never thought about the edward thing,
excellent.....
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Linda Schley
May 3, 2012, 2:07:03 AM5/3/12
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i always wondered if that was joan in the photo in "a man to be trusted"
too. there are several instances that the topic of missed vocation comes
up. in "are you going to be more permanent?" SH says there is something
about you that starts to make me confess and he replies that he may have
missed his vocation, in kings and desp men the female hostage taker
imagines him as a parish priest, and in man in iron mask there is a
conversation between fouquet and twin where the missed my vocation subject
arises again(cant remember exact lines here, sorry) also is fouquet #2 and
chamberlain #6?? in "hysteria" which i have only watched once, have
thought pmg might be #2, and michael maloney #6, he resembled him, had
similar characteristics and attire( dont they all become one). references
to all for one, group rule, and the village.(a little drumming as in all
night long) in "ashes to ashes" the closing line is "its your funeral."
there are several irish references....battle of the cameras, identity
crisis, a joke i believe in agenda for murder, and in kings and desp men.
also in kings a photo from silver streak and one of john drake. i wonder
what all the other posters are? can not make them out. finally in "agenda
for murder" there is a close up of oscar finches lic plate 2KMY559 whats
it all about??? it must mean something....... sorry one more cant remember
name of episode but but in dangerman drake is in bed, on phone and behind
him is the book "on my own time" by john seymour, it had to be his own book.
goodnight children.......everywhere
too. there are several instances that the topic of missed vocation comes
up. in "are you going to be more permanent?" SH says there is something
about you that starts to make me confess and he replies that he may have
missed his vocation, in kings and desp men the female hostage taker
imagines him as a parish priest, and in man in iron mask there is a
conversation between fouquet and twin where the missed my vocation subject
arises again(cant remember exact lines here, sorry) also is fouquet #2 and
chamberlain #6?? in "hysteria" which i have only watched once, have
thought pmg might be #2, and michael maloney #6, he resembled him, had
similar characteristics and attire( dont they all become one). references
to all for one, group rule, and the village.(a little drumming as in all
night long) in "ashes to ashes" the closing line is "its your funeral."
there are several irish references....battle of the cameras, identity
crisis, a joke i believe in agenda for murder, and in kings and desp men.
also in kings a photo from silver streak and one of john drake. i wonder
what all the other posters are? can not make them out. finally in "agenda
for murder" there is a close up of oscar finches lic plate 2KMY559 whats
it all about??? it must mean something....... sorry one more cant remember
name of episode but but in dangerman drake is in bed, on phone and behind
him is the book "on my own time" by john seymour, it had to be his own book.
goodnight children.......everywhere
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carolinedunstable
May 3, 2012, 5:44:35 AM5/3/12
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There's a heck of a lot to think about here.....R u having one of your
early morning/late nite sessions again?????
Yes, I noticed the recurring "vocation" quotes....although I suspect
that it's also a good standby for most writers....As to the Fouquet/
MintheIM exchange...that whole scene in the carriage was beautifully
written and performed by both of them...I wonder if he did his "usual"
re-write here??? BTW that was Mike Newall's first film, director of "3
Weddings and a ......" fame..
As to Hysteria....Yes, so many comparisions between that and the
Prisoner.....but I can't respond properly until I watch it again and I
am going to have to buy myself a "clearer" copy of THAT one!! It
definitely would benefit from further viewing and my Canadian murky
version is just too hard to watch...I am now a HD/Blu Ray kinda
gal.....
Books and DM!!! You have just reminded me of two LOL moments in
DM....John Drake reading the paperback version of "Dr No" with Connery
on the cover..so, so cheeky ...And the episode where he is using
"Cider With Rosie" to decode his secret messages AND
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early morning/late nite sessions again?????
Yes, I noticed the recurring "vocation" quotes....although I suspect
that it's also a good standby for most writers....As to the Fouquet/
MintheIM exchange...that whole scene in the carriage was beautifully
written and performed by both of them...I wonder if he did his "usual"
re-write here??? BTW that was Mike Newall's first film, director of "3
Weddings and a ......" fame..
As to Hysteria....Yes, so many comparisions between that and the
Prisoner.....but I can't respond properly until I watch it again and I
am going to have to buy myself a "clearer" copy of THAT one!! It
definitely would benefit from further viewing and my Canadian murky
version is just too hard to watch...I am now a HD/Blu Ray kinda
gal.....
Books and DM!!! You have just reminded me of two LOL moments in
DM....John Drake reading the paperback version of "Dr No" with Connery
on the cover..so, so cheeky ...And the episode where he is using
"Cider With Rosie" to decode his secret messages AND
On May 3, 7:07 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
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Moor Larkin
May 3, 2012, 6:35:22 PM5/3/12
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The Ashes to Ashes foil thing at the beginning was like a painstaking
John Drake assembly process.... :-D
I hadn't thought about the Edward & Prince thing, but I can quite see
how he would have done, especially when you add in the "failed actor"
self-mockery, which as mentioned also crops up in Kings & Desperate
Men. It also strikes me that he got two of his daughters in Columbo
too; Catherine a professional actress, but also Anne (for fun
presumably) in the Billy Connolly vehicle. I've never read any
commentary from Connolly about his McGoohan experiences; I think we
should be told.... :-D
I remember the Sandra Bullock thing, except they never shared a scene
so far as I recall, and I suspect he'd be too shy to pursue her off-
set..... ;-)). I'd be fascinated to know McGonaghey's impression. They
shared a good, long scene when Omar Noose was painting.
John Drake assembly process.... :-D
I hadn't thought about the Edward & Prince thing, but I can quite see
how he would have done, especially when you add in the "failed actor"
self-mockery, which as mentioned also crops up in Kings & Desperate
Men. It also strikes me that he got two of his daughters in Columbo
too; Catherine a professional actress, but also Anne (for fun
presumably) in the Billy Connolly vehicle. I've never read any
commentary from Connolly about his McGoohan experiences; I think we
should be told.... :-D
I remember the Sandra Bullock thing, except they never shared a scene
so far as I recall, and I suspect he'd be too shy to pursue her off-
set..... ;-)). I'd be fascinated to know McGonaghey's impression. They
shared a good, long scene when Omar Noose was painting.
Moor Larkin
May 3, 2012, 6:40:19 PM5/3/12
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Falk told the story of how they first met on the plane for "Dawn's
early Light" and hit it off immediately, with Patrick suggesting
script rewrites from the get-go. I always felt that by the end Columbo
felt bad about catching the guy in the end..... :-D
The chess-board parade ground must just have been a delightful
coincidence however..... :-D
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early Light" and hit it off immediately, with Patrick suggesting
script rewrites from the get-go. I always felt that by the end Columbo
felt bad about catching the guy in the end..... :-D
The chess-board parade ground must just have been a delightful
coincidence however..... :-D
Moor Larkin
May 3, 2012, 6:55:25 PM5/3/12
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Right from first viewing I felt Hysteria to perhaps be relevant to the
script Mcgoohan had had rejected by Polygram for the never-to-be film
version of The Prisoner. Amanda Plummer does the line, "Who is free
and Who is the prisoner?" http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/4301076149/in/photostream/
The Fouquet scene in the castle, when the mask is first applied is
pure evil No2 territory, and McGoohan does most of it with just his
eyes, and the scene ends with Chamberlain staring through bars......
Chamberlain does a superb piece of physical acting in that scene too.
I wondered if he was coached.
I haven't spotted the books in Danger Man so much, but I think it's
the Hampshire episode where Drake is pretending to be ill and he lies
on the bed, clutching a brass duck to he bosom. A duck for a drake I
guess... ;-)) It couldn't be just coincidence.
It's not on-screen but an interviewer corralled him on the set of "On
the Beach", and the interview ends with McGoohan inviting the
journalist to watch him do a sex scene with Barbara Steel. That has to
be either the bar staring scene, or when he was fooling around
sunbathing with all his clothes on, and a cap, whilst Barbara tries to
get Drake interested in her..... :-D I hope it was the bar scene.
script Mcgoohan had had rejected by Polygram for the never-to-be film
version of The Prisoner. Amanda Plummer does the line, "Who is free
and Who is the prisoner?" http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/4301076149/in/photostream/
The Fouquet scene in the castle, when the mask is first applied is
pure evil No2 territory, and McGoohan does most of it with just his
eyes, and the scene ends with Chamberlain staring through bars......
Chamberlain does a superb piece of physical acting in that scene too.
I wondered if he was coached.
I haven't spotted the books in Danger Man so much, but I think it's
the Hampshire episode where Drake is pretending to be ill and he lies
on the bed, clutching a brass duck to he bosom. A duck for a drake I
guess... ;-)) It couldn't be just coincidence.
It's not on-screen but an interviewer corralled him on the set of "On
the Beach", and the interview ends with McGoohan inviting the
journalist to watch him do a sex scene with Barbara Steel. That has to
be either the bar staring scene, or when he was fooling around
sunbathing with all his clothes on, and a cap, whilst Barbara tries to
get Drake interested in her..... :-D I hope it was the bar scene.
carolinedunstable
May 3, 2012, 5:30:05 AM5/3/12
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Gold star for that girl!!!!!........Well remembered...."Once
handsome..." indeed! And I agree, SHE did deserve it, didn't she. Sad
that Rue Mc???? has gone now...loved that wicked sassy southern belle
meets Waldo Lydeker performance of hers in Ashes to Ashes.
Anyhow, forever" beautiful" he was...I'm not sure how he liked being
described (as he was in his prime) as "most beautiful actor in
Britain" or whatever it was....he uses that in "Identity
Crisis"...looking at THAT photo...."Ahh....that was taken back when I
was young and beautiful"...he certainly loved sending himself sending
himself up.. ..
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handsome..." indeed! And I agree, SHE did deserve it, didn't she. Sad
that Rue Mc???? has gone now...loved that wicked sassy southern belle
meets Waldo Lydeker performance of hers in Ashes to Ashes.
Anyhow, forever" beautiful" he was...I'm not sure how he liked being
described (as he was in his prime) as "most beautiful actor in
Britain" or whatever it was....he uses that in "Identity
Crisis"...looking at THAT photo...."Ahh....that was taken back when I
was young and beautiful"...he certainly loved sending himself sending
himself up.. ..
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Moor Larkin
May 3, 2012, 7:00:33 PM5/3/12
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carolinedunstable
May 3, 2012, 7:10:21 PM5/3/12
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OOPPS! got distracted and didn't finish my last post..
AND....in Judgement Day a tired and fed up DM is using Cider With
Rosie as a cipher key for his coded message and later looking very
mutinous and bored he is using it for bed-time reading:0)... it's just
such wonderfully incongruous reading matter for the super cool John
Drake and has to be a "McGoohan" moment...
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AND....in Judgement Day a tired and fed up DM is using Cider With
Rosie as a cipher key for his coded message and later looking very
mutinous and bored he is using it for bed-time reading:0)... it's just
such wonderfully incongruous reading matter for the super cool John
Drake and has to be a "McGoohan" moment...
carolinedunstable
May 3, 2012, 7:30:08 PM5/3/12
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I think he probably got a "kick" out of SB's rapid rise to super
stardom after "Speed" was released which had the film-makers rejigging
"A Time to ..." to accommodate her new status and elevating her from
sidekick to major co-star....maybe that's why/where Omar Noose and
McGonaghey(???) side bar sessions disappeared . ...
It would be fun to get something from Billy Connolly but something
tells me if he had anything to say he would have said it by now....not
slow in letting everyone know what he thinks....Mind you A Murder with
Too Many Notes was always missing something....MCGOOHAN!!! the
daughter was a nice touch but the composer/murderer Connolly played
was just crying out for Patrick...never mind. too late now and I think
he had given enuf by then..
Anyone noticed the secretary who explained the mysteries of the Fax
machine in Agenda for Murder called Annie Stewart???? Struck by a
strong resemblence when first saw her and immediately thought that's
got to be one of his daughters....always assumed it was Anne??? That
bottom lip is a dead giveaway but perhaps I'm just seeing McGoohan's
everywhere now.... .
stardom after "Speed" was released which had the film-makers rejigging
"A Time to ..." to accommodate her new status and elevating her from
sidekick to major co-star....maybe that's why/where Omar Noose and
McGonaghey(???) side bar sessions disappeared . ...
It would be fun to get something from Billy Connolly but something
tells me if he had anything to say he would have said it by now....not
slow in letting everyone know what he thinks....Mind you A Murder with
Too Many Notes was always missing something....MCGOOHAN!!! the
daughter was a nice touch but the composer/murderer Connolly played
was just crying out for Patrick...never mind. too late now and I think
he had given enuf by then..
Anyone noticed the secretary who explained the mysteries of the Fax
machine in Agenda for Murder called Annie Stewart???? Struck by a
strong resemblence when first saw her and immediately thought that's
got to be one of his daughters....always assumed it was Anne??? That
bottom lip is a dead giveaway but perhaps I'm just seeing McGoohan's
everywhere now.... .
Moor Larkin
May 4, 2012, 4:00:42 AM5/4/12
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On May 3, 10:30 am, carolinedunstable <cmh....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Anyhow, forever" beautiful" he was...I'm not sure how he liked being
> described (as he was in his prime) as "most beautiful actor in
> Britain" or whatever it was....
"Can a man be too handsome" ... :-D)))
> described (as he was in his prime) as "most beautiful actor in
> Britain" or whatever it was....
It was a chatty magazine cover, with some dissertation about the
subject inside no doubt, but I've only ever seen the cover, not the
article. Anyhow, the headline query was accompanied by a still-
photograph of Patrick. I imagine he was amused and no doubt got a
ribbing about it at home..... :-D
Linda Schley
May 4, 2012, 6:13:04 PM5/4/12
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i hate not having my facts straight(need to take better notes) but i
believe in one episode where drake is waiting to be killed he is reading a
novel called death at midnight and in another he comments on a james bond
novel. help me out here if you have more details.
believe in one episode where drake is waiting to be killed he is reading a
novel called death at midnight and in another he comments on a james bond
novel. help me out here if you have more details.
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Linda Schley
May 4, 2012, 6:40:12 PM5/4/12
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if i would read all my emails there would be answers to questions that i
just asked. thanks you for that caroline....yes it was a 2am session the
other night, double shot espresso and bedtime do not go together. david
jones closing line in ice station was "do svid aniya" which could be taken
as guess??????? leye ezeet zoon another thing he does a lot, which i
love, is where he and other actor say lines in unison or complete each
others sentences. he does this in girl who was death, kings and desp men,
and with peter falk. i am sure there are more of these moments. also in
the first three columbos they smoke cigars together and by ashes mcgoohan
must have given it up because he raises a fuss about it in funeral home and
will not partake. instead they have tea. thanks for the food for
thought, i have a few things to look up thanks to you. getting a better
copy of hysteria sounds like a plan.
just asked. thanks you for that caroline....yes it was a 2am session the
other night, double shot espresso and bedtime do not go together. david
jones closing line in ice station was "do svid aniya" which could be taken
as guess??????? leye ezeet zoon another thing he does a lot, which i
love, is where he and other actor say lines in unison or complete each
others sentences. he does this in girl who was death, kings and desp men,
and with peter falk. i am sure there are more of these moments. also in
the first three columbos they smoke cigars together and by ashes mcgoohan
must have given it up because he raises a fuss about it in funeral home and
will not partake. instead they have tea. thanks for the food for
thought, i have a few things to look up thanks to you. getting a better
copy of hysteria sounds like a plan.
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Linda Schley
May 4, 2012, 5:41:18 PM5/4/12
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"have a shrimp" they do dance you know, that scene and the one leading
up to it he has never looked better, she does lay her hand on his shoulder
from behind, that is downright sexy. maybe he meant sexy scene. maryann
had a scene or two with him also. that man! in the susan h episodes
they alternately fake migraines. very cute......
up to it he has never looked better, she does lay her hand on his shoulder
from behind, that is downright sexy. maybe he meant sexy scene. maryann
had a scene or two with him also. that man! in the susan h episodes
they alternately fake migraines. very cute......
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carolinedunstable
May 5, 2012, 8:43:35 AM5/5/12
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I could live without chocolate but if I was told to give up
coffee......AAAGH....
The Bond paperback was in the wonderfully surreal and SO funny "The
Ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove"....Drake arrives home to find his colleague
waiting for him making himself at home reading his Bond (with old mate
Sean on the cover) paperback who complains that he never gets to meet
any beautiful foreign agents/femme fatales.....
You have driven me mad with the "Death at Midnight" title....I
remember the scene and the book....DM has set himself up as the target
and is sitting up waiting for his midnight killer....BUT...could be
"Your'e Not in Any Trouble Are You?" or "The Mirror's New" or
possibly one of the half-hours....I just can't remember....
Somebody help us.....
On May 4, 11:40 pm, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
coffee......AAAGH....
The Bond paperback was in the wonderfully surreal and SO funny "The
Ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove"....Drake arrives home to find his colleague
waiting for him making himself at home reading his Bond (with old mate
Sean on the cover) paperback who complains that he never gets to meet
any beautiful foreign agents/femme fatales.....
You have driven me mad with the "Death at Midnight" title....I
remember the scene and the book....DM has set himself up as the target
and is sitting up waiting for his midnight killer....BUT...could be
"Your'e Not in Any Trouble Are You?" or "The Mirror's New" or
possibly one of the half-hours....I just can't remember....
Somebody help us.....
On May 4, 11:40 pm, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
carolinedunstable
May 5, 2012, 9:06:29 AM5/5/12
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Dear Moor,
Actually, I think men can DEFINITELY be tOOOOO handsome ::)) Much
better to be quirky and have a face that looks simply
"....fascinating.." as Joan Hickson (Miss Marple herself) said of JD
in "Yesterday's Enemies." And Time's a lot kinder that
way...Especially, if you don't give in to Hollywood's pressure for
plastic surgery as our man never did..... saw a picture of Roger Moore
the other day...all that plastic surgery has left him looking like
he's had a STROKE!....AND I'm pretty sure he hasn't, but Gawd Forgive
Me if the poor old soul has....
I remember (I think it was YOU) posting a link to a b/w publicity
posed Rank studio portrait taken from "Gypsy..." of himself and Melina
(as Belle) in heavy theatrical /studio make-up.......part of a very
expensive (too expensive for me, anyhow) coffee table book where he
looked amazing....i'm pretty sure that's when the buzz about his looks
started and probably amused and annoyed the heck out of him....If you
can remember the link, I'd be much obliged....(I'd insert an annoying
emocion here but this site quite sensibly doesn't display them...well
done!!!)
Actually, I think men can DEFINITELY be tOOOOO handsome ::)) Much
better to be quirky and have a face that looks simply
"....fascinating.." as Joan Hickson (Miss Marple herself) said of JD
in "Yesterday's Enemies." And Time's a lot kinder that
way...Especially, if you don't give in to Hollywood's pressure for
plastic surgery as our man never did..... saw a picture of Roger Moore
the other day...all that plastic surgery has left him looking like
he's had a STROKE!....AND I'm pretty sure he hasn't, but Gawd Forgive
Me if the poor old soul has....
I remember (I think it was YOU) posting a link to a b/w publicity
posed Rank studio portrait taken from "Gypsy..." of himself and Melina
(as Belle) in heavy theatrical /studio make-up.......part of a very
expensive (too expensive for me, anyhow) coffee table book where he
looked amazing....i'm pretty sure that's when the buzz about his looks
started and probably amused and annoyed the heck out of him....If you
can remember the link, I'd be much obliged....(I'd insert an annoying
emocion here but this site quite sensibly doesn't display them...well
done!!!)
Moor Larkin
May 5, 2012, 7:37:22 PM5/5/12
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Possibly this one ?
http://www.fishup.ru/files/83/34/3a/lg_5888901_PatrickMcGoohan.jpg
Very theatrical for sure...
Personally I think he owed a lot to whoever it was that groomed and
lit him for Danger Man in 1960. The earliest time I recall him being
presented as a demi-god in the movies was probably by Disney as
Christopher Syn. His Andrew in Nor the Moon perhaps was the first film
to show how age was becoming him facially though. He looks a bit gawky
in Dambusters for example, but the raw material for glamour when he
was well-turned out, was very evident in Life For Ruth.
His personal preference seemed to always be the shaggy look of Jess
however. His appearance as Devereaux proved how elegance could still
become him even when he was personally more into the more off-beat
Rafferty look and approaching fifty. I suppose the fashion experts
would remark that he was a man who brushed up well... :-D
Moor
http://www.fishup.ru/files/83/34/3a/lg_5888901_PatrickMcGoohan.jpg
Very theatrical for sure...
Personally I think he owed a lot to whoever it was that groomed and
lit him for Danger Man in 1960. The earliest time I recall him being
presented as a demi-god in the movies was probably by Disney as
Christopher Syn. His Andrew in Nor the Moon perhaps was the first film
to show how age was becoming him facially though. He looks a bit gawky
in Dambusters for example, but the raw material for glamour when he
was well-turned out, was very evident in Life For Ruth.
His personal preference seemed to always be the shaggy look of Jess
however. His appearance as Devereaux proved how elegance could still
become him even when he was personally more into the more off-beat
Rafferty look and approaching fifty. I suppose the fashion experts
would remark that he was a man who brushed up well... :-D
Moor
Moor Larkin
May 7, 2012, 6:27:13 AM5/7/12
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Actually, Gypsy & Gentleman reminds me of the line Patrick
transplanted from that movie into The Prisoner. I can't recall the
exact quotes and I think they were tweaked slightly, but it was to do
with not trusting females even those with four legs. In Gypsy Jess was
talking about horses and in The Prisoner No6 was referring to the
black cat.
It's another one of those funny little things that demonstrates the
intimacies between McGoohan and the scripts he got involved with.
transplanted from that movie into The Prisoner. I can't recall the
exact quotes and I think they were tweaked slightly, but it was to do
with not trusting females even those with four legs. In Gypsy Jess was
talking about horses and in The Prisoner No6 was referring to the
black cat.
It's another one of those funny little things that demonstrates the
intimacies between McGoohan and the scripts he got involved with.
Linda Schley
May 8, 2012, 8:23:24 PM5/8/12
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this is a bit off message and dont know how i even found this, computers are
like that.....but on youtube there are 5 good pics of him that i have never
seen.... Silver streak behind the scenes part 2, a couple of them especially
nice.
like that.....but on youtube there are 5 good pics of him that i have never
seen.... Silver streak behind the scenes part 2, a couple of them especially
nice.
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Moor Larkin
May 9, 2012, 6:29:28 PM5/9/12
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Speaking of Silver Streak, I've always loved this Still:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/1359243929/in/set-72157602069519061
which suggests Patrick wasn't taking the gun-play all that
seriously..... :-D))
The funniest thing is that the company issued this as an official
Still, suggesting they didn't even notice that Patrick was, as we
would say in Blighty, "taking the piss".... :-D))
On May 9, 1:23 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/1359243929/in/set-72157602069519061
which suggests Patrick wasn't taking the gun-play all that
seriously..... :-D))
The funniest thing is that the company issued this as an official
Still, suggesting they didn't even notice that Patrick was, as we
would say in Blighty, "taking the piss".... :-D))
On May 9, 1:23 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
carolinedunstable
May 10, 2012, 12:43:36 PM5/10/12
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Thanks for that link....he looks great terribly dramatic and
broody...BUT then he could look completely different from role to
role...sometimes barely recognisable...considering he wasn't strictly
speaking a character actor he had an almost cameleon-like quality to
him....compare Silver Streak, By Dawns Early Light and Escape from
Alcatraz....an amazing difference between the way he looked in one and
in the other...
I think his ill-health and drinking did take a toll on his looks but
thank goodness he never hit rock bottom and went down the horrendous
"old soak" path that Burton and some of those other hard-drinkers went
down...DID look really rough in "The Hard Way" but then perhaps it was
his ill-health???Or just wasn't a glamorous part...
And yes, he did clean up well didn't he....During the DM years John
Glen (who went on to direct Bond) commented that he.".. didn't have a
bad side," which must have been a great asset to lighting/makeup
ec....None of this "half horse, half angel" stuff for them to work
around. Anyway, the production values of DM were such that not just
him but the whole series still looks fresh/good today.(.in a noir.sort
of way of course)......
... He did "grow into" his looks though and was definitely at the peak
of his "beautiful" period in the v.late 50's (very gawky before that)
through the sixties, especially elegant as Christopher Syn which made
a terrific contrast with The Scarecrow......
He did seem to favour the quirky style in his private life but then so
many actors do "dress down" when not on show...He did explain his off-
duty hobo syle to someone once by saying that he was "in disguise."
Give him his due, he seemed to keep a careful eye on his on-set
wardrobes.... I don't remember him having a trendy fashion faux-paus
e.g Roger Moore's flares, big ties and frilly shirts and THOSE safari
suits...goodness RM must be horrified when these old photos turn up...
...Mind you, his wig(s) were often unintentionally hilarious...O but I
was forgetting that tandorri restaurant/marvelous crushed velvet
costume in "Man in the Iron Mask".....I never see him in that without
fancying a curry:))
I think there was a touch of the "dandy" there, though,just look at
the lovely suits he wore ....remember in "Agenda for Murder", Columbo
obtained one of Oscar Finch's suits with the comment that "he won't
miss it, he's got more than one!" .to me that was definitely a self-
mocking McGoohanism!!..I bet his wardrobe was well stuffed with gear
from every decade... .
I bet he would either LOL or hate it that we're even talking about
such frivolities:))
On May 6, 12:37 am, Moor Larkin <moor_lar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Possibly this one ?http://www.fishup.ru/files/83/34/3a/lg_5888901_PatrickMcGoohan.jpg
broody...BUT then he could look completely different from role to
role...sometimes barely recognisable...considering he wasn't strictly
speaking a character actor he had an almost cameleon-like quality to
him....compare Silver Streak, By Dawns Early Light and Escape from
Alcatraz....an amazing difference between the way he looked in one and
in the other...
I think his ill-health and drinking did take a toll on his looks but
thank goodness he never hit rock bottom and went down the horrendous
"old soak" path that Burton and some of those other hard-drinkers went
down...DID look really rough in "The Hard Way" but then perhaps it was
his ill-health???Or just wasn't a glamorous part...
And yes, he did clean up well didn't he....During the DM years John
Glen (who went on to direct Bond) commented that he.".. didn't have a
bad side," which must have been a great asset to lighting/makeup
ec....None of this "half horse, half angel" stuff for them to work
around. Anyway, the production values of DM were such that not just
him but the whole series still looks fresh/good today.(.in a noir.sort
of way of course)......
... He did "grow into" his looks though and was definitely at the peak
of his "beautiful" period in the v.late 50's (very gawky before that)
through the sixties, especially elegant as Christopher Syn which made
a terrific contrast with The Scarecrow......
He did seem to favour the quirky style in his private life but then so
many actors do "dress down" when not on show...He did explain his off-
duty hobo syle to someone once by saying that he was "in disguise."
Give him his due, he seemed to keep a careful eye on his on-set
wardrobes.... I don't remember him having a trendy fashion faux-paus
e.g Roger Moore's flares, big ties and frilly shirts and THOSE safari
suits...goodness RM must be horrified when these old photos turn up...
...Mind you, his wig(s) were often unintentionally hilarious...O but I
was forgetting that tandorri restaurant/marvelous crushed velvet
costume in "Man in the Iron Mask".....I never see him in that without
fancying a curry:))
I think there was a touch of the "dandy" there, though,just look at
the lovely suits he wore ....remember in "Agenda for Murder", Columbo
obtained one of Oscar Finch's suits with the comment that "he won't
miss it, he's got more than one!" .to me that was definitely a self-
mocking McGoohanism!!..I bet his wardrobe was well stuffed with gear
from every decade... .
I bet he would either LOL or hate it that we're even talking about
such frivolities:))
On May 6, 12:37 am, Moor Larkin <moor_lar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Possibly this one ?http://www.fishup.ru/files/83/34/3a/lg_5888901_PatrickMcGoohan.jpg
carolinedunstable
May 10, 2012, 12:50:39 PM5/10/12
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O the HORROR!!! Perhaps THEY thought it would "signpost" that it was
NOW a comedy????
On May 9, 11:29 pm, Moor Larkin <moor_lar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Speaking of Silver Streak, I've always loved this Still:http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/1359243929/in/set-721576020...
NOW a comedy????
On May 9, 11:29 pm, Moor Larkin <moor_lar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Speaking of Silver Streak, I've always loved this Still:http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/1359243929/in/set-721576020...
carolinedunstable
May 10, 2012, 12:52:44 PM5/10/12
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For a man surrounded at home by females (even the family corgi was a
girl!) he must have enjoyed having his "SAY" at least on a film set:))
girl!) he must have enjoyed having his "SAY" at least on a film set:))
Moor Larkin
May 15, 2012, 7:02:24 PM5/15/12
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He looked very sickly in some scenes of "The Hard Way", but he looked
well enough in the pub meeting scene with Lee Van Cleef, in his comfy
fishermans jumper. A magazine of the day did make a suggestion that
the two actors saw the inside of more than one pub in their own time
too.... :-D A shame that Van Cleef seems to have left no memoir of
his irish adventure.
Patrick's appearance did vary a lot across that film, but I also
noticed that happened in Trespasses too.
This guy got carried away with his dvd-capturing software a few years
back... :-D
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10328588@N07/sets/72157604627474756/
well enough in the pub meeting scene with Lee Van Cleef, in his comfy
fishermans jumper. A magazine of the day did make a suggestion that
the two actors saw the inside of more than one pub in their own time
too.... :-D A shame that Van Cleef seems to have left no memoir of
his irish adventure.
Patrick's appearance did vary a lot across that film, but I also
noticed that happened in Trespasses too.
This guy got carried away with his dvd-capturing software a few years
back... :-D
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10328588@N07/sets/72157604627474756/
Linda Schley
May 16, 2012, 2:44:30 AM5/16/12
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on the lighter side, if you have not watched Our Man from N.A.T.O.(lounge
edit) on YouTube, please do. about 3/4 of the way through there is a pic
of him standing in front of a news stand and the word THE STAR just over his
head. i have watched this several times and since we have been discussing
his little jokes it struck me this time as possibly one of them.
edit) on YouTube, please do. about 3/4 of the way through there is a pic
of him standing in front of a news stand and the word THE STAR just over his
head. i have watched this several times and since we have been discussing
his little jokes it struck me this time as possibly one of them.
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Moor Larkin
May 16, 2012, 9:25:15 AM5/16/12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6denG_E8d6k
That scene where he rises to meet the pretty girl, who walks right
past him, cracks me up every time too.... :-D
I was reading something recently that suggested it was Patrick's idea
to have Drake wearing all the fancy hats in the hour-long series, and
that he chose them himself from High Street stores. It suggested Drake
was generally bare-headed in the half-hour series, except where some
impersonation demanded headgear and when I began to think about it,
I'm not sure that this is not correct. I wondered if this was just
some little game he liked to play by himself, or whether he involved
the wardrobe department. If you want to get ahead, get a hat.
ML
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wrote:
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That scene where he rises to meet the pretty girl, who walks right
past him, cracks me up every time too.... :-D
I was reading something recently that suggested it was Patrick's idea
to have Drake wearing all the fancy hats in the hour-long series, and
that he chose them himself from High Street stores. It suggested Drake
was generally bare-headed in the half-hour series, except where some
impersonation demanded headgear and when I began to think about it,
I'm not sure that this is not correct. I wondered if this was just
some little game he liked to play by himself, or whether he involved
the wardrobe department. If you want to get ahead, get a hat.
ML
On May 16, 7:44 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
> on the lighter side, if you have not watched Our Man from N.A.T.O.(lounge
> edit) on YouTube, please do. about 3/4 of the way through there is a pic
> of him standing in front of a news stand and the word THE STAR just over his
> head. i have watched this several times and since we have been discussing
> his little jokes it struck me this time as possibly one of them.
>
>
>
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> To: "colony3" <col...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:02 PM
> Subject: [colony3] Re: Patrick and his little jokes
>
> He looked very sickly in some scenes of "The Hard Way", but he looked
> well enough in the pub meeting scene with Lee Van Cleef, in his comfy
> fishermans jumper. A magazine of the day did make a suggestion that
> the two actors saw the inside of more than one pub in their own time
> too.... :-D A shame that Van Cleef seems to have left no memoir of
> his irish adventure.
>
> Patrick's appearance did vary a lot across that film, but I also
> noticed that happened in Trespasses too.
>
> This guy got carried away with his dvd-capturing software a few years
> back... :-Dhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/10328588@N07/sets/72157604627474756/
> edit) on YouTube, please do. about 3/4 of the way through there is a pic
> of him standing in front of a news stand and the word THE STAR just over his
> head. i have watched this several times and since we have been discussing
> his little jokes it struck me this time as possibly one of them.
>
>
>
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> To: "colony3" <col...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:02 PM
> Subject: [colony3] Re: Patrick and his little jokes
>
> He looked very sickly in some scenes of "The Hard Way", but he looked
> well enough in the pub meeting scene with Lee Van Cleef, in his comfy
> fishermans jumper. A magazine of the day did make a suggestion that
> the two actors saw the inside of more than one pub in their own time
> too.... :-D A shame that Van Cleef seems to have left no memoir of
> his irish adventure.
>
> Patrick's appearance did vary a lot across that film, but I also
> noticed that happened in Trespasses too.
>
> This guy got carried away with his dvd-capturing software a few years
Linda Schley
May 19, 2012, 10:37:50 PM5/19/12
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that is a heart warming moment of which you speak. in the same episode i
especially like the dinner at susan h's apt. where he sips wine from the egg
cup while she cuts up the pepper. they consider what can never be......
animal, vegetable, mineral, the scene in the bar prior to that excellent
too. another well done scene(one of the best to me) is in sting in the
tail between rachid and stephen while awaiting dinner with marie valedon.
what do you take me for, some kind of savage? the worst kind, the
civilized kind. all this set to a little chopin. marvelous! and always
cigars.
especially like the dinner at susan h's apt. where he sips wine from the egg
cup while she cuts up the pepper. they consider what can never be......
animal, vegetable, mineral, the scene in the bar prior to that excellent
too. another well done scene(one of the best to me) is in sting in the
tail between rachid and stephen while awaiting dinner with marie valedon.
what do you take me for, some kind of savage? the worst kind, the
civilized kind. all this set to a little chopin. marvelous! and always
cigars.
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Moor Larkin
May 21, 2012, 11:12:27 AM5/21/12
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It's not exactly a joke, but I have just remembered an attributed
quote of Patrick's that I once came across in a 1970's magazine.
The quote was:
Television as a Medium is neither rare nor well done.
However, I've never come across the source of this rather clever ad-
lib. It's certainly how he felt about TV by the end of the Sixties,
but I've always wondered who he said it to, and how it came to the
magazine writer's notice. Unfortunately the columnist did not
reference it, they just wrote it up: "as Patrick McGoohan once
remarked...." I'd love to know where it came from - especially as
that would confirm Patrick did in fact say it.... :-D
It seemed worthy of Dorothy Parker... :-D
Moor
On May 20, 3:37 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
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quote of Patrick's that I once came across in a 1970's magazine.
The quote was:
Television as a Medium is neither rare nor well done.
However, I've never come across the source of this rather clever ad-
lib. It's certainly how he felt about TV by the end of the Sixties,
but I've always wondered who he said it to, and how it came to the
magazine writer's notice. Unfortunately the columnist did not
reference it, they just wrote it up: "as Patrick McGoohan once
remarked...." I'd love to know where it came from - especially as
that would confirm Patrick did in fact say it.... :-D
It seemed worthy of Dorothy Parker... :-D
Moor
On May 20, 3:37 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
Kari Banta
May 21, 2012, 12:59:15 PM5/21/12
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Looks like it's originally attributed to Ernie Kovacs. If anyone doesn't know his work, I recommend fixing that immediately. Two clips!
The problem with sex and violence on television:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAt2rgfAZI
Jalousie and Sentimental Journey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sKL7iwleJM
Now I'm wondering what a conversation might have been like between McGoohan and Kovacs, puffing on their cigars!
Moor, you have brightened my day.
The problem with sex and violence on television:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAt2rgfAZI
Jalousie and Sentimental Journey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sKL7iwleJM
Now I'm wondering what a conversation might have been like between McGoohan and Kovacs, puffing on their cigars!
Moor, you have brightened my day.
Moor Larkin
May 21, 2012, 6:41:35 PM5/21/12
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On May 21, 5:59 pm, Kari Banta <mrc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like it's originally attributed to Ernie Kovacs. If anyone doesn't know his work, I recommend fixing that immediately. Two clips!
>
> The problem with sex and violence on television:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAt2rgfAZI
>
> Jalousie and Sentimental Journey:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sKL7iwleJM
>
> Now I'm wondering what a conversation might have been like between McGoohan and Kovacs, puffing on their cigars!
>
convinced....... :-D
carolinedunstable
May 21, 2012, 11:19:49 PM5/21/12
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Yes, this is such a well known quote and I'd heard it so many times I
always assumed it was either from Parker or Will Rogers but certainly
never attributed to PMG...
Ernie Kovacs used it as the title for a very funny book prompted by
his own experiences working in TV back in the sixties...I expect PMG
being an avid reader of bios read that .... but it was actually said
by long time radio comedian Fred Allen.who was talking about the "new"
medium of TV as an ad-lib in his first TV appearance of The Big Show
way back in 1952!
I expect PMG was simply quoting and the columnist just repeated it
verbatim ...
Ernie Kovacs did however come up with the quote "Television, where
they come up with a new idea and beat it to death"... I think that and
The Prisoner would best sum up his view of TV...
> ...
>
> read more »
always assumed it was either from Parker or Will Rogers but certainly
never attributed to PMG...
Ernie Kovacs used it as the title for a very funny book prompted by
his own experiences working in TV back in the sixties...I expect PMG
being an avid reader of bios read that .... but it was actually said
by long time radio comedian Fred Allen.who was talking about the "new"
medium of TV as an ad-lib in his first TV appearance of The Big Show
way back in 1952!
I expect PMG was simply quoting and the columnist just repeated it
verbatim ...
Ernie Kovacs did however come up with the quote "Television, where
they come up with a new idea and beat it to death"... I think that and
The Prisoner would best sum up his view of TV...
>
> read more »
carolinedunstable
May 21, 2012, 11:38:08 PM5/21/12
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Kari.....Thank you for posting esp the Jealousie and Sentimental
Journey...lovely stuff...
I think they would have hit it off...Cigars and facial hair....Smart
hardworking family men who weren't "sucked in" to the whole celeb
culture....Ernie was another "original" and unique performer/
writer....
Loved that filing cabinet...reminded me of The Prisoner opening
credits! And don't forget Patrick dancing his little jig before being
throttled in the bathroom to "Sentimental Journey" ...life and art so
full of coincidences...
> ...
>
> read more »
Journey...lovely stuff...
I think they would have hit it off...Cigars and facial hair....Smart
hardworking family men who weren't "sucked in" to the whole celeb
culture....Ernie was another "original" and unique performer/
writer....
Loved that filing cabinet...reminded me of The Prisoner opening
credits! And don't forget Patrick dancing his little jig before being
throttled in the bathroom to "Sentimental Journey" ...life and art so
full of coincidences...
>
> read more »
Moor Larkin
May 23, 2012, 4:05:06 AM5/23/12
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I have sometimes wondered if the name David Jones in Ice Station Zebra
bore any resonance to the "Davy Jones" of British seagoing tradition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Jones'_Locker
The name in the book was Carpenter (alias Halliwell) so it was
certainly changed for the movie specifically, but then so was the
Captain's, from Swanson to Faraday. I have tried to persuade myself
that naming this mysterious man on a submarine that plunges to the
bottom of the sea, "Davy Jones", was a joke worthy of Patrick
McGoohan, but I cannot imagine him having enough muscle to have made
such a change to a Hollywood movie himself........ ??
One thing I feel more sure of is that he must had a wry grin when he
realised a weather balloon had followed him onto the MGM-Hollywood
movie set..... :-)
I bet he was thinking to himself, "If you guys only knew what these
babies can do!!"........ :-D
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6-nPuui9_bQ/R4JP4BFeKdI/AAAAAAAAAqs/R2gPRsdZfUQ/s400/sm1.jpg
bore any resonance to the "Davy Jones" of British seagoing tradition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Jones'_Locker
The name in the book was Carpenter (alias Halliwell) so it was
certainly changed for the movie specifically, but then so was the
Captain's, from Swanson to Faraday. I have tried to persuade myself
that naming this mysterious man on a submarine that plunges to the
bottom of the sea, "Davy Jones", was a joke worthy of Patrick
McGoohan, but I cannot imagine him having enough muscle to have made
such a change to a Hollywood movie himself........ ??
One thing I feel more sure of is that he must had a wry grin when he
realised a weather balloon had followed him onto the MGM-Hollywood
movie set..... :-)
I bet he was thinking to himself, "If you guys only knew what these
babies can do!!"........ :-D
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6-nPuui9_bQ/R4JP4BFeKdI/AAAAAAAAAqs/R2gPRsdZfUQ/s400/sm1.jpg
carolinedunstable
May 23, 2012, 9:31:26 AM5/23/12
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O yes of course I'd forgotten all about "Davy Jones" ...always makes
me smile that...I wonder if the "joke" was intentional or just a lucky
accident..not sure Hollywood does "Ironic"now so bet they didn't then
either...somewhere I still have my paperback edition showing PMG
fighting Ernest B and wearing the funkiest anorak on the set!
Love the weather balloon link :0))) Life and Art so full of
coincidences....
On May 23, 9:05 am, Moor Larkin <moor_lar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I have sometimes wondered if the name David Jones in Ice Station Zebra
> bore any resonance to the "Davy Jones" of British seagoing tradition.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Jones'_Locker
me smile that...I wonder if the "joke" was intentional or just a lucky
accident..not sure Hollywood does "Ironic"now so bet they didn't then
either...somewhere I still have my paperback edition showing PMG
fighting Ernest B and wearing the funkiest anorak on the set!
Love the weather balloon link :0))) Life and Art so full of
coincidences....
On May 23, 9:05 am, Moor Larkin <moor_lar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I have sometimes wondered if the name David Jones in Ice Station Zebra
>
> The name in the book was Carpenter (alias Halliwell) so it was
> certainly changed for the movie specifically, but then so was the
> Captain's, from Swanson to Faraday. I have tried to persuade myself
> that naming this mysterious man on a submarine that plunges to the
> bottom of the sea, "Davy Jones", was a joke worthy of Patrick
> McGoohan, but I cannot imagine him having enough muscle to have made
> such a change to a Hollywood movie himself........ ??
>
> One thing I feel more sure of is that he must had a wry grin when he
> realised a weather balloon had followed him onto the MGM-Hollywood
> movie set..... :-)
> I bet he was thinking to himself, "If you guys only knew what these
> babies can do!!"........ :-Dhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6-nPuui9_bQ/R4JP4BFeKdI/AAAAAAAAAqs/R2gPRsd...> The name in the book was Carpenter (alias Halliwell) so it was
> certainly changed for the movie specifically, but then so was the
> Captain's, from Swanson to Faraday. I have tried to persuade myself
> that naming this mysterious man on a submarine that plunges to the
> bottom of the sea, "Davy Jones", was a joke worthy of Patrick
> McGoohan, but I cannot imagine him having enough muscle to have made
> such a change to a Hollywood movie himself........ ??
>
> One thing I feel more sure of is that he must had a wry grin when he
> realised a weather balloon had followed him onto the MGM-Hollywood
> movie set..... :-)
> I bet he was thinking to himself, "If you guys only knew what these
Linda Schley
May 23, 2012, 11:26:53 PM5/23/12
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i was watching the dm episode "parallel lines sometimes meet" getting a
little late in the evening when the closing line caught my attention. "in a
hammock a million miles away dreaming all the time of plymouth hoe" this
seemed so noticeable i had to look it up and (please forgive me, this could
be common knowledge for most of you) i was pleased to find it part of a poem
"drakes drum" by henry newbolt.(actually a collection from 1897-1907).
according to legend a drum owned by sir francis drake will beat in times of
crisis and the spirit of drake will return to aid his country. plymouth hoe
a large public space in the english coastal city of plymouth, a place to
relax, as drake did as the spanish prepared to attack while he completed a
game of "bowls". i also read somewhere that mcgoohan ad libbed this line.
a perfect ending to a tedious assignment. i have never followed any other
tv show this closely, but i find myself often researching things talked
about or vocabulary that i missed in school etc. he shouldve given the
russian agent a little tap on the seat when they were climbing up the
ladder! he looked like he thought about it.
little late in the evening when the closing line caught my attention. "in a
hammock a million miles away dreaming all the time of plymouth hoe" this
seemed so noticeable i had to look it up and (please forgive me, this could
be common knowledge for most of you) i was pleased to find it part of a poem
"drakes drum" by henry newbolt.(actually a collection from 1897-1907).
according to legend a drum owned by sir francis drake will beat in times of
crisis and the spirit of drake will return to aid his country. plymouth hoe
a large public space in the english coastal city of plymouth, a place to
relax, as drake did as the spanish prepared to attack while he completed a
game of "bowls". i also read somewhere that mcgoohan ad libbed this line.
a perfect ending to a tedious assignment. i have never followed any other
tv show this closely, but i find myself often researching things talked
about or vocabulary that i missed in school etc. he shouldve given the
russian agent a little tap on the seat when they were climbing up the
ladder! he looked like he thought about it.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:05 AM
Subject: [colony3] Re: Patrick and his little jokes
Moor Larkin
May 26, 2012, 6:36:09 AM5/26/12
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I've just reminded myself that at the end of "Ashes to Ashes", the
last line spoken was "It's Your Funeral"
It fitted the episode's graveyard humour perfectly of course but must
have had another resonance for Patrick Joseph too.
I checked out the closing lines of the script pdf for "Parrallel
Lines..." and there is a reference to Admiral Nelson, sparked by Drake
having dust in one eye as he followed up the ladder. I guess Patrick
saw his own parallel lines on that British naval reference in the
script, and took steps to make them meet. Brilliant.
Moor.
On May 24, 4:26 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
> >http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6-nPuui9_bQ/R4JP4BFeKdI/AAAAAAAAAqs/R2gPRsd...
last line spoken was "It's Your Funeral"
It fitted the episode's graveyard humour perfectly of course but must
have had another resonance for Patrick Joseph too.
I checked out the closing lines of the script pdf for "Parrallel
Lines..." and there is a reference to Admiral Nelson, sparked by Drake
having dust in one eye as he followed up the ladder. I guess Patrick
saw his own parallel lines on that British naval reference in the
script, and took steps to make them meet. Brilliant.
Moor.
On May 24, 4:26 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
Linda Schley
May 27, 2012, 12:33:41 AM5/27/12
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i just got through a careful viewing of high tide at noon. i dont know if
its because i like him so much or what, but these contract movies have
gotten better for me over time. i find jo most annoying and believe her to
be the main reason there is so much trouble on the island. simon does an
excellent job throughout, as usual a look or gesture worth thousand words as
in the first scene when jo arrives back from school (complete with blazer
with contrasting piping) he casually walks by smoking a cigarette saying
nothing, moments later the weighing of the lobsters and the look of disdain
for the mackenzies, (there was a mackenzie in kadm) the scene at the dance
where jo says you need to cool off and then throws water on him is
priceless, he never loses the straw. also he did not look that
uncomfortable doing the scene with jo at the abandon house.(after all you
have to learn sometime) and Moor i read your review on imdb and even though
i have not read the book think that maybe there was more implied in the
scene where simon goes to jo's hse to make a play for her and she runs back
to her parents and in turn simon gets chased off the island by nils.
possibly in part 2 their first child may look like the breck baby, that
would explain the quick departure. i noticed this time that peter arne was
in the cast, wonder if those two were friends. does anybody know if there
is a restored copy of this movie to be purchased? i have it on dvd but its
not perfect. a strange observation but to me his teeth look altered somehow
in this movie, they just dont look like his, what do you think? sorry not
many inside jokes here, though the agony of making this probably gave him
ideas for future scripts.
its because i like him so much or what, but these contract movies have
gotten better for me over time. i find jo most annoying and believe her to
be the main reason there is so much trouble on the island. simon does an
excellent job throughout, as usual a look or gesture worth thousand words as
in the first scene when jo arrives back from school (complete with blazer
with contrasting piping) he casually walks by smoking a cigarette saying
nothing, moments later the weighing of the lobsters and the look of disdain
for the mackenzies, (there was a mackenzie in kadm) the scene at the dance
where jo says you need to cool off and then throws water on him is
priceless, he never loses the straw. also he did not look that
uncomfortable doing the scene with jo at the abandon house.(after all you
have to learn sometime) and Moor i read your review on imdb and even though
i have not read the book think that maybe there was more implied in the
scene where simon goes to jo's hse to make a play for her and she runs back
to her parents and in turn simon gets chased off the island by nils.
possibly in part 2 their first child may look like the breck baby, that
would explain the quick departure. i noticed this time that peter arne was
in the cast, wonder if those two were friends. does anybody know if there
is a restored copy of this movie to be purchased? i have it on dvd but its
not perfect. a strange observation but to me his teeth look altered somehow
in this movie, they just dont look like his, what do you think? sorry not
many inside jokes here, though the agony of making this probably gave him
ideas for future scripts.
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Moor Larkin
May 29, 2012, 4:34:50 AM5/29/12
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Such a shame Patrick never watched his own movies. I can imagine him
guffawing like an unblocked drain at the end of High Tide, as he heard
it's immortal closing line being intoned
meaningfully....................: "The lobsters are back" ..... :-D
Philip Leaccock's style of film-making seemed to persist right to his
final film with Patrick, "Three Sovereins for Sarah", which was also
epic in it's attempt to sweep through several years of a story. I
daresay that if High Tide had been three hours long it might have
seemed less truncated towards the end. Peter Arne and Patrick must at
least have been working friends as they bumped into one another again
later, but then who did Patrick NOT bump into again and again over the
years?
Moor
On May 27, 5:33 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
guffawing like an unblocked drain at the end of High Tide, as he heard
it's immortal closing line being intoned
meaningfully....................: "The lobsters are back" ..... :-D
Philip Leaccock's style of film-making seemed to persist right to his
final film with Patrick, "Three Sovereins for Sarah", which was also
epic in it's attempt to sweep through several years of a story. I
daresay that if High Tide had been three hours long it might have
seemed less truncated towards the end. Peter Arne and Patrick must at
least have been working friends as they bumped into one another again
later, but then who did Patrick NOT bump into again and again over the
years?
Moor
On May 27, 5:33 am, "Linda Schley" <trollybrkte...@windstream.net>
wrote:
Linda Schley
May 30, 2012, 11:45:31 PM5/30/12
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he had to have watched those movies, if only out of curiosity, the kids and
grand kids would want to see him though i know he said otherwise. i must
say i do lose interest once his part in the movie is complete, but i did
hang in there for the lobster line. didnt that movie start out to be
something more challenging, and after the fact everything changed? i would
have to research this in the archives. i just finished the quare fellow
which is another story, so well done and good performances around. dont
detect any little jokes in that one, no opportunity i guess.
grand kids would want to see him though i know he said otherwise. i must
say i do lose interest once his part in the movie is complete, but i did
hang in there for the lobster line. didnt that movie start out to be
something more challenging, and after the fact everything changed? i would
have to research this in the archives. i just finished the quare fellow
which is another story, so well done and good performances around. dont
detect any little jokes in that one, no opportunity i guess.
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carolinedunstable
May 31, 2012, 12:05:22 PM5/31/12
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I can't be sure of this but I am certain that the infamous "The
Lobsters are back..." line got a "dishonorable" mention in one of
Michael Melved's Golden Turkey award books as did "The Hard
Way"..which (de)merited a whole v. funny and "spot on" review...
Of the two films I think "The Hard Way" was far worse......I find it
hard to believe that it was the film that David Tomblin was so
ethusiastic about EVERYMAN making after The Prisoner.....
> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/colony3?hl=en.-Hide quoted text -
Lobsters are back..." line got a "dishonorable" mention in one of
Michael Melved's Golden Turkey award books as did "The Hard
Way"..which (de)merited a whole v. funny and "spot on" review...
Of the two films I think "The Hard Way" was far worse......I find it
hard to believe that it was the film that David Tomblin was so
ethusiastic about EVERYMAN making after The Prisoner.....
Kari Banta
May 31, 2012, 1:06:26 PM5/31/12
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Really? I thought The Hard Way had a lot going for it--interesting narrative style, true McGoohan tenacity, solid acting, nice views of the countryside. High Tide had a tenacious narrative style, "interesting" acting, a solid landscape, and nice views of McGoohan.
carolinedunstable
May 31, 2012, 4:55:38 PM5/31/12
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Hi, Kari,
Yes, I definitely like "High Tide..." I think "tenacious" is a great
adjective ..like the numerous sub-plots in Nor the Moon By Night it
just keeps on going... although again it was one of the many
interesting but ultimately misfires of his movie career...
An odd fish of a movie..if it had been a full blooded melodrama OR a
serious drama exploring the lonely, insular and financially fragile
lives of Newfoundland's fishing families, Or even if it had been more
a docu-drama style movie using real locations it might have worked but
it wasn't and it didn't. The script though is the culprit and would
certainly have benefited from more focus to the plot, editing a few
threads out of the story, culling a few characters and/or stronger
leads esp Betta St John (apparently PMG had been the original choice
for the Michael Craig character.)
As usual he was great, in my soupy copy he looked terrific. He's
hardly on screen really, but is the most interesting actor playing, or
at least creating the most interesting character. If the script HAD
BEEN a bit sharper it would have been clearer that his was a pivital
role but .......
It could have been a very OTT performance but his wild young man is
restrained by a very mature performance which quietened down the more
melodramatic elements of his part of the story. He's wild and rather
amoral but no out and out rotter here, you felt a real sympathy for
what was a complex guy tying up at the wrong jetty, suffering
unrequited love for the girl from the nicer quay (even though she was
a very wet fish indeed.)
I especially liked the way he "underplayed" the attempted "date rape"
scene. The whole scene was pretty strong for its time. As an actor not
known for being comfortable with love scenes his performance was note
perfect and almost TOO comfortable, very seductive indeed... it
probably helped that he had some excellent and realistic dialogue to
deliver. It was all done very subtlly and played totally convincingly
as he coaxed and almost BUT not quite landed his uneasy and naive
prey. He didn't play him as a stock "bad boy" but picked up on every
clue the script gave him to display his character as rounded but
flawed so you believed completely her initial attraction for him.
While you have to give a high 5 to the director here, the whole film
could have done with a tighter grip. I can't help feeling that the
original director (Peter Graham Scott - I think it was) shooting on
location with PMG in the lead might have been inspired to something
better. Having said all this I'd love to see a CRISP dvd of this one.
As to "The Hard Way", I am no fan....yes, he's great but he always is.
Yes, there's, some solid acting, good filming in genuine Irish
locations etc, but was that supposed to be Paris and a real french
bar????? It's a Very, Very Overworked plot...a hired killer wants to
hang up his gun but his old associates won't let him...didn't mind
that or that there is hardly any dialogue... PMG and Lee Van Cleef are
solid enough actors NOT to need much and probably work better with
little rather than something poorly written but there was nothing NEW
here.
A little Eno goes a long way and I didn't find the music so much
"haunting" as simply maudlin, probably because there was so much of
it. For me, what sank this film was the WIFE. I loathed Edna O'Brian's
stilted narration and performance, unfortunately it's throughout the
film and annoyed the heck out of me...I'm sure she got a "nod"
somewhere for a Golden Turkey for worse performance by a
novelist...Usually in any film with McGoohan in it, it's him that you
remember, but the horror of her performance burnt right through my
brain. The last scene when she talks of Conner as being "some kind of
man.." is I assume, to be a nod at Dietrich talking about Orson Welles
in "Badge of Evil" ...well she's no Marlene. I found The Hard Way just
hard going and unrewarding.
I hate myself for unloading on any PMG movie...there are so few really
it just seems churlish....
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Yes, I definitely like "High Tide..." I think "tenacious" is a great
adjective ..like the numerous sub-plots in Nor the Moon By Night it
just keeps on going... although again it was one of the many
interesting but ultimately misfires of his movie career...
An odd fish of a movie..if it had been a full blooded melodrama OR a
serious drama exploring the lonely, insular and financially fragile
lives of Newfoundland's fishing families, Or even if it had been more
a docu-drama style movie using real locations it might have worked but
it wasn't and it didn't. The script though is the culprit and would
certainly have benefited from more focus to the plot, editing a few
threads out of the story, culling a few characters and/or stronger
leads esp Betta St John (apparently PMG had been the original choice
for the Michael Craig character.)
As usual he was great, in my soupy copy he looked terrific. He's
hardly on screen really, but is the most interesting actor playing, or
at least creating the most interesting character. If the script HAD
BEEN a bit sharper it would have been clearer that his was a pivital
role but .......
It could have been a very OTT performance but his wild young man is
restrained by a very mature performance which quietened down the more
melodramatic elements of his part of the story. He's wild and rather
amoral but no out and out rotter here, you felt a real sympathy for
what was a complex guy tying up at the wrong jetty, suffering
unrequited love for the girl from the nicer quay (even though she was
a very wet fish indeed.)
I especially liked the way he "underplayed" the attempted "date rape"
scene. The whole scene was pretty strong for its time. As an actor not
known for being comfortable with love scenes his performance was note
perfect and almost TOO comfortable, very seductive indeed... it
probably helped that he had some excellent and realistic dialogue to
deliver. It was all done very subtlly and played totally convincingly
as he coaxed and almost BUT not quite landed his uneasy and naive
prey. He didn't play him as a stock "bad boy" but picked up on every
clue the script gave him to display his character as rounded but
flawed so you believed completely her initial attraction for him.
While you have to give a high 5 to the director here, the whole film
could have done with a tighter grip. I can't help feeling that the
original director (Peter Graham Scott - I think it was) shooting on
location with PMG in the lead might have been inspired to something
better. Having said all this I'd love to see a CRISP dvd of this one.
As to "The Hard Way", I am no fan....yes, he's great but he always is.
Yes, there's, some solid acting, good filming in genuine Irish
locations etc, but was that supposed to be Paris and a real french
bar????? It's a Very, Very Overworked plot...a hired killer wants to
hang up his gun but his old associates won't let him...didn't mind
that or that there is hardly any dialogue... PMG and Lee Van Cleef are
solid enough actors NOT to need much and probably work better with
little rather than something poorly written but there was nothing NEW
here.
A little Eno goes a long way and I didn't find the music so much
"haunting" as simply maudlin, probably because there was so much of
it. For me, what sank this film was the WIFE. I loathed Edna O'Brian's
stilted narration and performance, unfortunately it's throughout the
film and annoyed the heck out of me...I'm sure she got a "nod"
somewhere for a Golden Turkey for worse performance by a
novelist...Usually in any film with McGoohan in it, it's him that you
remember, but the horror of her performance burnt right through my
brain. The last scene when she talks of Conner as being "some kind of
man.." is I assume, to be a nod at Dietrich talking about Orson Welles
in "Badge of Evil" ...well she's no Marlene. I found The Hard Way just
hard going and unrewarding.
I hate myself for unloading on any PMG movie...there are so few really
it just seems churlish....
Linda Schley
Jun 1, 2012, 11:55:11 PM6/1/12
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caroline, if you have a moment there is a thoughtful review of "the hard
way" on the unmutual website. it may add a different perspective to your
thoughts on the flick. its been about a year since i watched it and must
admit i rather like this one and plan to watch it again tonight or tomorrow.
i read in one of the biographies that he was in the middle of some dental
pain during the filming of this, which if true may account for his kind of
beat appearance, or it may have been part of the role. there is a picture
out there where he is signing autographs and he looks good and another where
he is posed with an umbrella where he looks very good. i just got a copy of
high tide at noon and so far the description of the simon character is right
out of the book and dialogue too.
way" on the unmutual website. it may add a different perspective to your
thoughts on the flick. its been about a year since i watched it and must
admit i rather like this one and plan to watch it again tonight or tomorrow.
i read in one of the biographies that he was in the middle of some dental
pain during the filming of this, which if true may account for his kind of
beat appearance, or it may have been part of the role. there is a picture
out there where he is signing autographs and he looks good and another where
he is posed with an umbrella where he looks very good. i just got a copy of
high tide at noon and so far the description of the simon character is right
out of the book and dialogue too.
Moor Larkin
Jun 5, 2012, 1:29:26 AM6/5/12
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The presence of Edna O'Brien in "The Hard Way" seems to be a
marvellously unexplained thing about the production. It's her one and
only performance in film. Why did she do it? Who asked her? Why did
she never do it again?
It also raises notions of whether it was by design or accident that
Patrick did those film projects that seemed to involve non-actors. I'm
thinking of Trudeau, Lack and then O'Brien. On the one hand he was
said (by his own words) to not like it when actors failed to learn
their lines or messed about on set, and yet at the same time he took
parts in projects where he has to perform opposite complete novices
(at the time at least). When he directed "Catch My Soul" he had to
work with Tony Joe White, who had never acted before, but remarked how
nice Patrick was to him. Trudeau said they both loated one another
from the moment they met, Lack said they had some good times together
off-set, but I've never read a whisper about what Edna made of him.
I've always assumed she had become involved at the early stage when
John Boorman seemed to be on the team.
Insofar as her place in the film is concerned, I have to say I rather
enjoyed it; but I am a lover of narration in movies, that being one of
the things I like the most about the first season of Danger Man.
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marvellously unexplained thing about the production. It's her one and
only performance in film. Why did she do it? Who asked her? Why did
she never do it again?
It also raises notions of whether it was by design or accident that
Patrick did those film projects that seemed to involve non-actors. I'm
thinking of Trudeau, Lack and then O'Brien. On the one hand he was
said (by his own words) to not like it when actors failed to learn
their lines or messed about on set, and yet at the same time he took
parts in projects where he has to perform opposite complete novices
(at the time at least). When he directed "Catch My Soul" he had to
work with Tony Joe White, who had never acted before, but remarked how
nice Patrick was to him. Trudeau said they both loated one another
from the moment they met, Lack said they had some good times together
off-set, but I've never read a whisper about what Edna made of him.
I've always assumed she had become involved at the early stage when
John Boorman seemed to be on the team.
Insofar as her place in the film is concerned, I have to say I rather
enjoyed it; but I am a lover of narration in movies, that being one of
the things I like the most about the first season of Danger Man.
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Linda Schley
Jun 15, 2012, 12:27:21 AM6/15/12
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was just watching hell drivers and couldnt help but notice reds truck is #1.
in the episode living in harmony there is a poster on sheriffs ofc wall that
says the bishop is coming. does anyone know if there is some significance
to this???
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in the episode living in harmony there is a poster on sheriffs ofc wall that
says the bishop is coming. does anyone know if there is some significance
to this???
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Subject: [colony3] Re: the Hard Way and High Tide at Noon
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Moor Larkin
Jun 15, 2012, 11:35:47 AM6/15/12
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Red's truck was Number One because Red was the Number One driver for
Hawletts. The idea of all the drivers having a number and competing to
be number one (and so hold the gold cigarette case!) must have had
some allegorical significance...... ;-)
I've never noticed the "bishop coming" thing, I must admit. Diagonal
lines sometimes meet maybe.... ;-)
In Seltzman's office there is visible on a wall, a small "sign" with
just a 16 on it. It seems not to relate to anything like a calendar or
somesuch. It's just a 1 and a 6 hanging together on the wall - serving
no apparent purpose..... ;-) That episode has the moor obvious injoke
with Portmeirion Road on the envelope address of course.
ML
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Hawletts. The idea of all the drivers having a number and competing to
be number one (and so hold the gold cigarette case!) must have had
some allegorical significance...... ;-)
I've never noticed the "bishop coming" thing, I must admit. Diagonal
lines sometimes meet maybe.... ;-)
In Seltzman's office there is visible on a wall, a small "sign" with
just a 16 on it. It seems not to relate to anything like a calendar or
somesuch. It's just a 1 and a 6 hanging together on the wall - serving
no apparent purpose..... ;-) That episode has the moor obvious injoke
with Portmeirion Road on the envelope address of course.
ML
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Linda Schley
Jun 15, 2012, 5:19:50 PM6/15/12
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i will look for the 16 upon the wall, i must admit my least favorite
episode, missing the personality. i did look up gold cig case, not much
did i find. there was a serial film 12 episodes from 1916 called the
scarlet runner, relating the adventures of christopher race and his high
powered automobile, episode 12 was called the gold cigarette case.
sometimes it seems as though things are related and in actuality far from
it. thanks for mentioning the number 16, its fun to discover these things
that make the program so special. so much was missed just watching for a
quick moment on the tv. fyi wb is releasing ice station zebra on blue ray,
it was good quality wo it so the blue ray should really stand out. maybe wb
got to the m's this week.
episode, missing the personality. i did look up gold cig case, not much
did i find. there was a serial film 12 episodes from 1916 called the
scarlet runner, relating the adventures of christopher race and his high
powered automobile, episode 12 was called the gold cigarette case.
sometimes it seems as though things are related and in actuality far from
it. thanks for mentioning the number 16, its fun to discover these things
that make the program so special. so much was missed just watching for a
quick moment on the tv. fyi wb is releasing ice station zebra on blue ray,
it was good quality wo it so the blue ray should really stand out. maybe wb
got to the m's this week.
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Moor Larkin
Jun 22, 2012, 5:57:18 PM6/22/12
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Just to return to the origins of the Thread, I read someplace a while
back a perceptive person pointing out that Felix Neumann transmutes to
"Happy New Man", with judicious use of Latin and German. Assuming it
wasn't McGoohan's idea (after all it couldn't be could it, any more
than the Davy Jones thing) I looked to see who might have "written"
the script for 'Of Pure Blood'. The teleplay was put together by an
accomplished screen-writer called Michael Zagor, but then I noticed
that the "story" credit was allocated to someone called Del Coleman -
a name with no other writing credits whatsoever; and so I spent the
longest day of the year...................... just wondering.
back a perceptive person pointing out that Felix Neumann transmutes to
"Happy New Man", with judicious use of Latin and German. Assuming it
wasn't McGoohan's idea (after all it couldn't be could it, any more
than the Davy Jones thing) I looked to see who might have "written"
the script for 'Of Pure Blood'. The teleplay was put together by an
accomplished screen-writer called Michael Zagor, but then I noticed
that the "story" credit was allocated to someone called Del Coleman -
a name with no other writing credits whatsoever; and so I spent the
longest day of the year...................... just wondering.
carolinedunstable
Jun 22, 2012, 6:44:29 PM6/22/12
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Yes, I too was delighted to find this worthy and well made "gem" on
5* last Thursday.(.only happened on it by chance while channel surfing
to escape property porn and cookery programmes.) I have a fuzzy dvd
but had lost hope of it ever reappearing....
I would love to know how closely he was involved in this
production..his son-in-law produced and his daughter was
featured...did they meet while making the film or was it a family co-
production??? Will we ever know??? Like Linda I'd love the family to
produce a respectful memoir but u have to admire their classy
restraint.
I've been off-line for a while chilling out...
5* last Thursday.(.only happened on it by chance while channel surfing
to escape property porn and cookery programmes.) I have a fuzzy dvd
but had lost hope of it ever reappearing....
I would love to know how closely he was involved in this
production..his son-in-law produced and his daughter was
featured...did they meet while making the film or was it a family co-
production??? Will we ever know??? Like Linda I'd love the family to
produce a respectful memoir but u have to admire their classy
restraint.
I've been off-line for a while chilling out...
carolinedunstable
Jun 22, 2012, 6:51:42 PM6/22/12
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I read that review a while back and it was very thoughtful and so well-
written it prompted me to buy the dvd... but on reflection I prefer
the review to the film:)) However, like all his projects it got you
talking and thiniking so can't be all bad:))
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written it prompted me to buy the dvd... but on reflection I prefer
the review to the film:)) However, like all his projects it got you
talking and thiniking so can't be all bad:))
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Moor Larkin
Jun 23, 2012, 6:18:56 AM6/23/12
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On Jun 22, 11:44 pm, carolinedunstable <cmh....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I too was delighted to find this worthy and well made "gem" on
> 5* last Thursday.(.only happened on it by chance while channel surfing
> to escape property porn and cookery programmes.) I have a fuzzy dvd
> but had lost hope of it ever reappearing....
>
> I would love to know how closely he was involved in this
> production..his son-in-law produced and his daughter was
> featured...did they meet while making the film or was it a family co-
> production??? Will we ever know???
According to imdb Catherine married in 1975.
> Yes, I too was delighted to find this worthy and well made "gem" on
> 5* last Thursday.(.only happened on it by chance while channel surfing
> to escape property porn and cookery programmes.) I have a fuzzy dvd
> but had lost hope of it ever reappearing....
>
> I would love to know how closely he was involved in this
> production..his son-in-law produced and his daughter was
> featured...did they meet while making the film or was it a family co-
> production??? Will we ever know???
I recall one interview from way back, where Patrick commented on a
boyfriend one of his daughters had brought to the house, who was not
very well-mannered - not in an unpleasant way but a little too *loud*
for a first visit -. Patrick described how he explained to the young
man that this was no way to behave on first meeting...... I have
wondered if..... ;-) But no doubt there was more than just one, and
there was certainly more than one daughter... :-D
Joseph Sargent said he'd been shopping the "Of Pure Blood" project
around Hollywood for some time, getting nowhere, until Lee Remick saw
the script and said she wanted to do it; with her name involved, the
studios got interested. So it would seem a script existed for some
time before production ever began.
Caroline Hammond
Jun 23, 2012, 8:08:51 AM6/23/12
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I'll bet he did some serious "glaring" at that boyfriend!
Moor Larkin
Jun 25, 2012, 6:47:44 PM6/25/12
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Is that Patrick's voice at the end, shouting the question, "Where ya
going?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGH8AhsyQto
going?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGH8AhsyQto
Kari Banta
Jun 25, 2012, 7:04:46 PM6/25/12
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I see where you think so, but I'm pretty sure it's the sergeant.
Caroline Hammond
Jun 26, 2012, 3:56:27 AM6/26/12
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Yes, your right.....it is his voice..supposedly it's the Sergeant shouting out...but I'll bet it's something they threw together so Columbo had a reason to "sail into the sunset" for what was to have been his final goodbye...very poetic......and that's him whistling for sure...They were plainly having a ball...
BTW Google have lost Colony 3!!!!
I can't seem to get back to u via Googlegoups....like Columbo I am sailing off into the sunset.....
CarolineDunstable
CarolineDunstable
Moor Larkin
Jun 26, 2012, 4:20:51 AM6/26/12
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Whistling whilst smoking a cigar is also a neat trick...... :-D
At the very end of Ashes to Ashes, I swear Patrick speaks a line or
two that Peter is supposed to be saying.
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At the very end of Ashes to Ashes, I swear Patrick speaks a line or
two that Peter is supposed to be saying.
Caroline Hammond
Jun 26, 2012, 8:40:09 AM6/26/12
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I shall check this out and report back....
Moor Larkin
Aug 15, 2012, 4:46:47 PM8/15/12
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Another one that had never struck me until now.
The Warden of Alcatraz is cold and cruel. Very cold and very very cruel.........
BUT
He keeps pets in his office....... !?!
I won't speculate what the fish what mean, but he gently feeds his little canary in a cage tidbits........
Does this make Himself............
The Birdman of Alcatraz ??
Nah, nobody is that clever huh?....... :-D)))
Moor, the Observer.
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