CBC Seeks More Ropresentative Caltrans Standards

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Neal

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May 31, 2012, 10:10:06 PM5/31/12
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Hello All,

 

California Bike Coalition Seeks More Representative Caltrans Standards

When bicycling facilities help people feel safer, more people of all ages and abilities ride bikes. Yet the current statewide design standards keep California cities from building the kind of facilities envisioned by the Urban Bikeways Design Guide released earlier this month by the National Association of City Transportation Officials.

To give cities the tools they need, CBC is sponsoring Assembly Bill 345, authored by Assembly member Toni Atkins of San Diego, to require Caltrans to consult with all road users when developing statewide design standards. At a State Capitol hearing April 11, the bill will be amended to ensure that this requirement applies to the membership of Caltrans advisory committees that help create those standards, such as the California Traffic Control Devices Committee.

Caltrans is making progress. In 2008 the agency adopted a complete streets policy that calls for accommodating the needs of all road users, not just motorists, in state highway planning, design, construction and maintenance. Yet that progress has not trickled down to the CTCDC, which advises Caltrans on standards for traffic signals, signs and pavement markings such as bike lanes and crosswalks. Motorists are the only roadway users represented: the California State Automobile Association and Automobile Club of Southern California each have a seat on the committee.

“We salute cities like Long Beach and San Francisco that have been willing to design the best possible facilities for bicycling regardless of what’s in the official book, however, most jurisdictions aren’t comfortable being that bold,” said Dave Snyder, CBC’s Relaunch Director/CEO.
“Residents of every city deserve to have the best infrastructure, and this bill will make that possible.”

 

 

Cheers,

 

Neal

 

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Bob Sutterfield

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May 31, 2012, 10:21:00 PM5/31/12
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Yes, CBC worked with CABO on this.  "Non-motorized" representatives joined the CTCDC last year.  CABO endorsed several of the nominees.  Newly elected CABO President Dan Gutierrez is one of the alternates.

Daniel Gutierrez

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May 31, 2012, 10:33:11 PM5/31/12
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CABO specifically endorsed two individuals for membership as non-motorized members of the CTCDC:  John Ciccarelli and me.

After an extensive phone interview process, John was selected by Caltrans as a member and I was selected as his alternate.  In addition Caltrans selected Bryan Jones (Engineer at the City of Carlsbad) as a member and Rock Miller (Engineer at the design firm Stantec Consulting) was selected as his alternate.  CABO deliberately  endorsed us because we were known as knowledgeable in the subject matter and were not beholden to a transportation agency or private design company, so we would be more free of potential conflicts of interest in representing the interests of non-motorized travelers, should the city or design firm employing the other candidates not agree with recommendations they would otherwise bring to the committee.



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Local:
Long Beach Cyclists, Founder and Technical Advisor
Aerospace Cycling Club, Founder and Current President
South Bay Westside Transportation Mgmt. Assoc., Board Member
Southern CA AQMD Certified Employee Transportation Coordinator

 
State:
CA Assoc. of Bicycling Organizations (CABO), President
CABO Education Committee Co-Chair    http://www.cabobike.org/
Caltrans District 7 Bicycle Advisory Committee, Policy Chair
Caltrans Understanding Bicycle Transportation course developer/teacher
California Traffic Control Devices Committee, Alternate

 
National:
League of American Bicyclists (LAB), Certified Instructor, LCI #962
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jimbaross

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Neal:
What is/was your intention for posting this more than somewhat self agrandizing (spelling?) PR piece from CBC? It has been my observation that their messages tend to (never) mention the positive roles and contributions that CABO has provided... Only though, obliquely, hinting assertions of CABO thwarting their intentions. Demonizing the contender?
Or am I too sensitive/ off base about your intentions?


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Neal

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Jun 1, 2012, 2:43:09 PM6/1/12
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Hello Jim and All,
 
" .......... Only though, obliquely, hinting assertions of CABO thwarting their intentions. Demonizing the contender?"
Sorry if the posted article ruffled your feathers.  I assure you it was unintentional.
 
As a relative newby on CABO I am not familiar with the politics or Machiavellian manoeuvring [sic] of various bicycle organizations.
 
I gather from your post that CBC is not a friend of CABO and vice versa.  News to me.
 
I was proceeding as though all bicycle organizations were working for a common goal of improving the lot of pedal cyclists.
 
Could you list other bicycle organizations that CABO has 'unfriended'?
 
If I know who they are I could attempt to censor my posts to not include any information from those sources on this forum.  (or at least delete the offending attribution)
 
Is CABO a 501c3 non-profit  ......  are my dues IRS tax deductible?
 
I am so new I have not even received my newsletter, master ride schedule, or ballot from CABO yet ................. :)
 
"Bicycling education has helped the people I have encountered expand.their capabilities, range, and frequency of bicycling, but they and I and no one can use a bike everywhere with complete safety. CABO and other advocacy efforts are to protect and improve bicycling for transportation and recreation.
Do you have a proposal, plan, or idea to help us?"

After I learn more about CABO I hope to make some material contributions.
 
As you can see from the above there are many areas of CABO I am unfamiliar with and I need to proceed slowly so I don't stub my toe too often.
 
I appreciate you patience.
 
The CABO I joined is spelled out in the Mission Statement below:
 

The California Association of Bicycling Organizations (CABO) is an association of

clubs, groups, associations, and/or organizations which have BICYCLING as their major

interest CABO was established to encourage, maintain, and improve cycling in

California and it exists to serve the cycling community, including bike club members,

commuters, cyclo-tourists, mountain bikers, racers, and individual cyclists of any

persuasion.

 

The CABO Board of Directors is comprised of willing and dedicated volunteers,

experienced cyclists who have expertise in advocacy and public relations. Other

qualified volunteers and cyclists serve on the local level as Area Directors or

Representatives, maintaining a liaison between CABO and other organizations. Meetings

are held four times a year in various locations.

 

CABO volunteers work with agencies and provide advice and recommendations

regarding bicycle projects and policies. Since city, county, and state bureaucracies

sometimes propose restrictive ordinances or laws which affect bicycling, CABO board

members spend a great deal of time attending to governmental actions, reading

legislation, making phone calls, writing letters, and informing cyclists of important

activities.

 

Equality for cyclists, in the legal, political, and social arena, is a vital prerequisite for

bicycling enjoyment by advocating public education for roadway users, competent and

cooperative roadway behavior, improved road conditions, and equal rights for cyclists,

CABO helps to improve the California cycling climate.

 

CABO also publishes a newsletter to keep members informed and a master

schedule of rides so that organizations can schedule events on non-competing dates.

 

Bicyc1es are equal vehicles under the law and they deserve respect Cyclists need, and

should use the advocacy and communication system which CABO provides. Individuals

and organizations are invited to join in order to strengthen a coordinated bicycle point of

view in California.

 

The CABO draft Policies for 2012 look fine to me and I would vote for their adoption ..... if I had a ballot ......  :)

 

John Forester

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Jun 1, 2012, 4:54:02 PM6/1/12
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I think that it is reasonable to describe the difference between CABO
and CBC in terms of goals that are near the top of their lists. CABO
seeks safe cycling through facilities and laws that are engineered to
work together according to an understood method of traffic operation.
CBC seeks popular cycling through facilities that appeal to the general
public.


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Jim Baross

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Jun 1, 2012, 11:25:14 PM6/1/12
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More misunderstanding. Responses inserted below.

 

Jim Baross

 

From: cabo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cabo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal
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Hello Jim and All,

 

" .......... Only though, obliquely, hinting assertions of CABO thwarting their intentions. Demonizing the contender?"

Sorry if the posted article ruffled your feathers.  I assure you it was unintentional.

[JB - ] I have no feathers. I asked why you posted without comment the somewhat dated news/PR from CBC.

 

Long story of the efforts that CABO folks made toward getting Caltrans to expand the CTCDC… legislating is messy.

 

As a relative newby on CABO I am not familiar with the politics or Machiavellian manoeuvring [sic] of various bicycle organizations.

[JB - ] Neither I nor CABO are maneuvering to denigrate any bicycling advocacy organizations in any manner that I am aware of, Machiavellian or otherwise. However CABO and “vehicular cycling” has been – I’ll call it – attacked as not acting in the interests of bicycling. A self-appointed advocate/blogger sent letters to current and former CABO member organizations telling them they should quit CABO. We lost one member organization as a result.

 

I gather from your post that CBC is not a friend of CABO and vice versa.  News to me.

[JB - ] Until recently I was on the CBC Board. I was asked by their Chair to resign, so I did. I believe the reason for the request was that I was not adhering to CBC positions on legislation; I thought I was helping improve flawed efforts.

Alan Wachtel and I have participated on the CBC led Calif. legislative committee for some time. (Though I haven’t been made aware of that committee meeting recently.) The CBC Executive Director, Dave Snyder has spoken to the CABO Board, and Alan, Bert Hill, and I met with Dave and a CBC Board member, Jennifer Stanley, last month amicably discussing the relationships between the two statewide bicycling advocacy organizations and current legislative efforts.

There are friendly and useful relationships among the CBC and CABO board members, but it is somewhat galling to so often read CBC PR about “their” accomplishments that fail to mention CABO contributions. Since CBC must support significant staff and lobbying costs – compared to CABO - it is understandable that they have to raise money by selling accomplishments as if from their own efforts…

 

I was proceeding as though all bicycle organizations were working for a common goal of improving the lot of pedal cyclists.

[JB - ] Bicycling advocates have more in common than the arguments/discussions would indicate. From my point of view, Calif. would be better off with one advocacy organization, but I have failed in several years of trying to combine CBC with CABO, or CABO with CBC, or some new third organization.

 

From my viewpoint, CBC seems to be oriented toward seeking to get more people out of cars onto bicycles, while CABO seeks to protect and improve conditions for people who use bicycles. There are certainly more shared approaches to somewhat differing goals, but some differences do show up. The recent work around AB 819 provide an example. (Just ask.)

 

Could you list other bicycle organizations that CABO has 'unfriended'?

[JB - ] Are you being deliberately confrontive? I am not aware of any “unfriending”. CABO/I participate in and support many efforts of other organizations – I attended the Transform summit last month. We have criticized and recommended changes to some organizations; the early work by Rails to Trails was criticized for its portrayal of roadway bicycling as too dangerous to consider. They have modified their messages. We CABO folks are quick to look at the details and ramifications that it seems some others haven’t considered; some might call this nit-picking or worse. I consider it important to be careful and complete.

 

If I know who they are I could attempt to censor my posts to not include any information from those sources on this forum.  (or at least delete the offending attribution)

[JB - ] Which brings me to my original question; why did you post the almost year old CBC news to the CABO forum with no comment? Something like, “Did you know about this?” or “I just read this; was CABO involved?”

 

Is CABO a 501c3 non-profit  ......  are my dues IRS tax deductible?

[JB - ] Yes, and yes to the extent of my knowledge of IRS rules. Since CABO provides no tangible material goods to you, I expect the whole amount of your dues and additional donations are deductible. Mine have been. My donations to CBCs Education fund, 501(c)3 have been made on a tax deductible basis; regular donations to CBC 501(c)4 are not – to my knowledge.

 

I am so new I have not even received my newsletter, master ride schedule, or ballot from CABO yet ................. :)

[JB - ] Again, are you trolling for a flame fight?

CABO has done newsletters but not recently… we’d like to start again, but most of us are too busy with other advocacy… and posting to the forum.

‘Want a volunteer job?

CABO was the first to start publishing a master Calif. ride schedule but gave it up after many years as several commercial publications were doing it better; notably “Cycle California” & “Adventure Cycling”, etc. It’s likely time to update that info on our web site.

What ballot? CABO Board members set budget and policy. Member organizations, not individual members, vote for Board members and bylaw changes.

 

"Bicycling education has helped the people I have encountered expand their capabilities, range, and frequency of bicycling, but they and I and no one can use a bike everywhere with complete safety. CABO and other advocacy efforts are to protect and improve bicycling for transportation and recreation.

Do you have a proposal, plan, or idea to help us?"

After I learn more about CABO I hope to make some material contributions.

 

As you can see from the above there are many areas of CABO I am unfamiliar with and I need to proceed slowly so I don't stub my toe too often.

 

I appreciate you patience.

 

The CABO I joined is spelled out in the Mission Statement below:

[JB - ] Me too.

 

The California Association of Bicycling Organizations (CABO) is …

 

Bob Sutterfield

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Jun 2, 2012, 12:54:47 PM6/2/12
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Jim Baross wrote:
" .......... Only though, obliquely, hinting assertions of CABO thwarting their intentions. Demonizing the contender?"
 
Neal wrote: 

As a relative newby on CABO I am not familiar with the politics or Machiavellian manoeuvring [sic] of various bicycle organizations.

Jim wrote: 

Neither I nor CABO are maneuvering to denigrate any bicycling advocacy organizations in any manner that I am aware of, Machiavellian or otherwise. However CABO and “vehicular cycling” has been – I’ll call it – attacked as not acting in the interests of bicycling.


Oblique hinting?  If you're looking for politics, Machiavellian manoeuvring, and denigration, please consider CBC's public communications about CABO's contributions during the Assembly Transportation committee's consideration of AB819, the bill to require Caltrans to add innovative bikeway engineering to the statewide standards.
On Jan 11 CBC tweeted "Assembly committee puts the brakes on bill to liberalize bikeway design standards" with a link to State Assembly Undermines Bill to Let California Cities Build Safer Bikeways - a very inaccurate misrepresentation of the process
On Jan 13 CBC tweeted "There's more interesting discussion about vehicular cycling versus innovative bikeway design happening in the..." with a link to Is an anti-bike fraud being committed in your name? - a very inaccurate misrepresentation of CABO
That's more than oblique hinting, that's piling-on and encouraging the attacks.

Yes, I'm posting links to those very negative attacks on CABO, in CABO's public forum.  You'll note CBC doesn't even have a public forum where such attacks might be posted.

Frank Neal

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Jun 2, 2012, 1:49:02 PM6/2/12
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Hear, HERE!  So true!

 

Thanks Bob! – Frank Neal, OCW Board, CTC Hall of Fame

 

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Neal

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Jun 3, 2012, 5:09:59 AM6/3/12
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Hello Dan and All,
 
Congratulations on your appointment as an alternate - Should you be appointed by Caltrans to CTCDC does it come with a salary or is a volunteer position?
 
I see John Ciccarelli has a very good transportation background and appears to be well qualified.
 
 
Also it is noted in that reference above that John is a board member of CBC - yet CABO specifically endorsed John which would indicate a cooperation between CBC and CABO, even though the CBC Chair recently fired Jim from the CBC board.
 
- With that in mind how do Bob Sutterfield's comments below fit in?
 
"Oblique hinting? If you're looking for politics, Machiavellian manoeuvring, and denigration, please consider CBC's public communications about CABO's contributions during the Assembly Transportation committee's consideration of AB819, the bill to require Caltrans to add innovative bikeway engineering to the statewide standards.
On Jan 11 CBC tweeted "Assembly committee puts the brakes on bill to liberalize bikeway design standards" with a link to State Assembly Undermines Bill to Let California Cities Build Safer Bikeways - a very inaccurate misrepresentation of the process
On Jan 13 CBC tweeted "There's more interesting discussion about vehicular cycling versus innovative bikeway design happening in the..." with a link to Is an anti-bike fraud being committed in your name? - a very inaccurate misrepresentation of CABO
That's more than oblique hinting, that's piling-on and encouraging the attacks.
 
Yes, I'm posting links to those very negative attacks on CABO, in CABO's public forum. You'll note CBC doesn't even have a public forum where such attacks might be posted."
 
Cheers,
 
Neal
 
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Jim Baross

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Jun 3, 2012, 1:42:42 PM6/3/12
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Neal and others:

 

It is worthwhile to explore the relationship between/among various organizations and people who are seeking to improve bicycling conditions, but it is more useful, in my opinion, to seek to work together when we can than to pick at the differences. Your apparently innocently provided questions seem to be framed in a manner that can/will reduce that capacity and will likely increases animosity… unnecessarily. For instance -

 

I cannot find any “…reference above that John is a board member of CBC…”. And, the CBC web site does not list him as a CBC board member.

 

I was not “fired” from the CBC Board. Their president, during a phone discussion about concerns and recommendations that CABO and I provided to CBC, said he’d like me to resign. I did.

 

I’d like to stick to the facts and to seek to improve conditions for bicycling. ‘Got anything that you are doing that we might assist with?... beside your research into the relationship between CBC and CABO?

 

Jim Baross

 

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Hello Dan and All,

Neal

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Jun 3, 2012, 2:53:02 PM6/3/12
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Hello Jim and All,

 

Thanks for your prompt and kind reply,

 

First I should compliment you on your effort on behalf of cyclists – I for one appreciate it.

 

I am not trying to exacerbate the CBC/CABO politics – just getting the ‘lay of the land’.

 

I agree with you ...... “I’d like to stick to the facts and to seek to improve conditions for bicycling.”

 

As I see it …… you DO ……. accentuate the positive

Eliminate the negative

And latch on to the affirmative

And Don't mess with Mister In-Between (Arlen/Mercer)

 

 

 

“It is worthwhile to explore the relationship between/among various organizations and people who are seeking to improve bicycling conditions, but it is more useful, in my opinion, to seek to work together when we can than to pick at the differences. Your apparently innocently provided questions seem to be framed in a manner that can/will reduce that capacity and will likely increases animosity… unnecessarily. For instance -

 

I cannot find any “…reference above that John is a board member of CBC…”. And, the CBC web site does not list him as a CBC board member.”

 

http://www.bicyclesolutions.com/pdfs/Ciccarelli_Resume_Master.pdf

 

PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATIONS

National Committee on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, Bicycle Technical Committee -- Member

Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE) -- Associate Member

Association of Bicycle and Pedestrian Professionals (APBP) -- Member

League of American Bicyclists (LAB) -- Life member, League Cycling Instructor #453-CK

California Bicycle Coalition (CBC) -- Member, Board of Directors

PUBLICATIONS

Principal author of APBP Bicycle Parking Guidelines (for planners and developers), 2nd edition (2009),

and 1st edition (2002).

Bicycle Boulevards case study, UNC Highway Safety Research Center, 2003

“Bicycle Boulevards”, article in ITS Tech Transfer newsletter, UC Berkeley Institute for Transportation

Studies, Fall 1999. “Caltrain …………… continued ………….

 

 

Jim since you were a recent board member at CBC I defer to your version.

 

I was just going by John’s resumé.  Perhaps he meant a past board member of CBC like you.
Since he will be a (bicycle) rep on Caltrans committee I was curious as to his qualifications.
Interesting that he rides a bike Friday.  I have seen them used in competition and centuries.
Usually by old dudes.
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