please describe me about homa bird!!!

[PARAMESHWAR PUTTANMANE]

"The Vedas speak of the homa bird. It lives high up in the sky and there it lays its egg. As soon as the egg is laid it begins to fall; but it is so high up that it continues to fall for many days. As it falls it hatches, and the chick falls. As the chick falls its eyes open; it grows wings. As soon as its eyes open, it realizes that it is falling and will be dashed to pieces on touching the earth. Then it at once shoots up toward the mother bird high in the sky."

 

                                                                      Source: from book "Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna" 

please describe me about homa bird story. And in which part of veda says this story?

--
Pa_Pu

[Jagannatha s]

Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa  might have heard this Homa bird story from the persons of Bengali folklore.  I do not think   Vedas  mention any Homa bird  according to the  description made by Sri Paramahamsa.

 

2011/10/17 PARAMESHWAR PUTTANMANE <poorn...@gmail.com>

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

[S P Narang]

S'yenacit was not only a structure, religious but might be a sacrifice where s'yena was sacrificed to get the victory over the enemy through domesticated hawk like the as'vamedha. I have to check s'yenas'aastram for that which is published. Regards, spnarang --- On Mon, 10/17/11, Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com> wrote:

[PARAMESHWAR PUTTANMANE]

2011/10/17 Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com>

Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa  might have heard this Homa bird story from the persons of Bengali folklore.  I do not think   Vedas  mention any Homa bird  according to the  description made by Sri Paramahamsa.

 

2011/10/17 PARAMESHWAR PUTTANMANE <poorn...@gmail.com>

"The Vedas speak of the homa bird. It lives high up in the sky and there it lays its egg. As soon as the egg is laid it begins to fall; but it is so high up that it continues to fall for many days. As it falls it hatches, and the chick falls. As the chick falls its eyes open; it grows wings. As soon as its eyes open, it realizes that it is falling and will be dashed to pieces on touching the earth. Then it at once shoots up toward the mother bird high in the sky."

 

                                                                      Source: from book "Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna" 

please describe me about homa bird story. And in which part of veda says this story?

Osho also described this story! But where this found from.?.....

Pa_Pu

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

--
Pa_Pu

[narayanan er]

श्येनेनाभिचरन् यजेत इति वाक्यस्य कोऽर्थः?

[hnbhat B.R.]

2011/10/18 narayanan er <drerna...@yahoo.com>

श्येनेनाभिचरन् यजेत इति वाक्यस्य कोऽर्थः?

श्येनेन श्येनयागेन अभिचरन् - अभिचारक्रियां कुर्वन्, यजेत -

अर्थात् अभिचारक्रियया शत्रुमारणं कर्तुमिच्छन् श्येनयागेन यजेत इति। अभिचरन् इत्यत्र "लक्षणहेत्वोः क्रियायाः" इति हेतौ शता; अभिचारकरणायेत्येवार्थः।

यथा - ज्योतिष्टोमेन यजेत स्वर्गकामः" इत्यादिवत्।

अस्य श्येनयागस्य अनिष्टाननुबन्धित्वात् कथं प्रवृत्तिरित्यादि विस्तरस्तु न्यायशास्त्रादिषु द्रष्टव्यः, धर्मत्वविचारस्तु शाबरभाष्यादिषु विस्तरेण प्रतिपादितः। मुक्तावल्यामपि, यागीयहिंसा हिंसा न भवतीति, "न श्येनवधः हिंसा न भवति" इत्युक्त्वा, श्येनाभिचारेण यः वधः, तस्य हिंसात्वात्, अनिष्टानुबन्धित्वमस्त्येवेति तादृशः कश्चन विचारः प्रवृत्तः। यथा नारङ्गमहोदयैः प्रतिपादितम्, शत्रुमारणेन विजयेप्स्सोः राज्ञस्तु तद्धर्म एवान्तर्भूत इति अपरो नीतिविचारः। एवमभिचारक्रियासंम्बध एवायं विधिरिति यावत् मया गृहीतः अंशः। विस्तरस्तु तत्तच्छास्त्रप्रकरणे एव द्रष्टव्यः।

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[Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyay]

Dear Shri Parameshwar Puttanmane, Shri Ramakrishna used to talk to many Vedic, Tantric and other scholars and probably got this information about Homaa bird (< Vyoma-pak.sin ?) from a Vedic Pandit. Though it is yet to be traced from any Vedic text, Yogavaashi.s.tha Ramaya.na  refers to such bird:               vyomnaiva jaatana.s.taanaa.m mahataa.m vyomapak.si.naam /               bandhunaabaddhanilayaan sharadabhrasamaak.rtiin //                                                                      (Nirvaa.na Prakara.na, Puurvaardha 15.19) Reference to such kind of bird, it is said, may be available in J~naaneshvarii and Daasabodha in Marathi also. [See endnotes in the Ramakri.s.na Kathaam.rta (in Bengali), vol 2, 2nd ed., 6th rpt., Udbodhan Karyalaya, Kolkata, 2008]. Best Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyay --- On Mon, 17/10/11, PARAMESHWAR PUTTANMANE <poorn...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: PARAMESHWAR PUTTANMANE <poorn...@gmail.com> Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} please describe me about homa bird!!! To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com

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[Jagannatha s]

Respected Sri Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyayji,

 

This is really exciting information. I had been thinking that  this story does not have any basis of Sam.skr.ta. Now I am fully convinced that it does have its roots in Yogavasis.t.ha. I checked the reference and got marvelled on seeing the verse you shown. Your view that Homaa  might  be apabhramsha of  Vyoma is also fully convincing.  Thanks a lot.

SJ

[hnbhat B.R.]

2011/10/23 Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com>

Respected Sri Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyayji,

 

This is really exciting information. I had been thinking that  this story does not have any basis of Sam.skr.ta. Now I am fully convinced that it does have its roots in Yogavasis.t.ha. I checked the reference and got marvelled on seeing the verse you shown. Your view that Homaa  might  be apabhramsha of  Vyoma is also fully convincing.  Thanks a lot.

SJ

Thanks for the insight. I also had the same impression. It might have become homapakshin through improper transferring and explained as Vedic bird mentioned in Veda-s because of the corruption into "homa".

 

It seems to more convincing than finding a source in Vedic Literature. Or may be in some Brahmana or Aranyaka stories which abound in such stories to give etymological explanations for some names. महान् खलु शब्दराशिः ......  एतावन्तम् शब्दस्य प्रयोगविषयम्अननुनिशम्य सन्ति अप्रयुक्ताः इति वचनम् केवलम् साहसमात्रम्। 

उपलब्धौ यत्नः क्रियताम्। 

is the best policy.

-- 

[iragavarapu narasimhacharya]

Dear friends,

praNamyA. Very recently I looked into one of the Gmails that "A Brihat Somayaaga by the name "Atiraatra" was going to be performed at Bhadrachalam in April 2012 in the details of which it is said,a bird by the name "shyena"(An Eagle like)  would appear on the sky on the last day of the programme followed by the showers of rain also.So by this statement I surmise there may be homa-birds like the bird mentioned above.
Regrds,

ivnacharya

2011/10/17 PARAMESHWAR PUTTANMANE <poorn...@gmail.com>

--

[Parameshwar Puttanmane]

ಈ ಕುರಿತು ಓಶೊ ಎಲ್ಲೋ ಹೇಳಿದ ನೆನಪು, ಹುಡುಕಿ ನೋಡುತ್ತೇನೆ....

--

  Pa-Pu!

ಪರಮೇಶ್ವರ-ಪುಟ್ಟನ್ಮನೆ 

    

[Dipak Bhattacharya]

It was discussed by the Parishad. As far as I remember Professor N.N. Bandyopadhyay pointed to the error of taking homa for vyoma. Prof. Bandyopadhyay may kindly clarify.

Best

DB

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निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

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It is the same thread this one is again raised:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bvparishat/LLmgzWFxJHM/uz6XP3Kq240J

by the same member, ascribing the view to Osho.

​

[Hnbhat B.R.]

This was discussed in this blogspot:

http://swamiindology.blogspot.in/2011/12/mysterious-vedic-homa-bird-does-it.html

and also here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_bird#Etymology

also this link discusses the myth:

http://www.rkmdelhi.org/articles/the-homa-bird/

Ramakrishna Muth Delhi. 

[Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyay]

Dear Shri Parameshwar Puttanmane,

As requested by Prof. Bhattacharya I am sending the earlier posting dated 21.10.2011 again:

Shri Ramakrishna used to talk to many Vedic, Tantric and other scholars and probably got this information about Homaa bird (< Vyoma-pak.sin ?) from a Vedic Pandit. Though it is yet to be traced from any Vedic text, Yogavaashi.s.tha Ramaya.na  refers to such bird:

              vyomnaiva jaatana.s.taanaa.m mahataa.m vyomapak.si.naam /
              bandhunaabaddhanilayaan sharadabhrasamaak.rtiin //
                                                                     (Nirvaa.na Prakara.na, Puurvaardha 15.19)

Reference to such kind of bird, it is said, may be available in J~naaneshvarii and Daasabodha in Marathi also. [See endnotes in the Ramakri.s.na Kathaam.rta (in Bengali), vol 2, 2nd ed., 6th rpt., Udbodhan Karyalaya, Kolkata, 2008].

Best
Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyay