Double Position 2-Back Harder than Dual 5-Back?
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dogb...@yahoo.com
Aug 7, 2011, 2:48:59 AM8/7/11
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Is it just me or is Double Position 2-Back even more brain straining
than Dual 5-Back?
I get about the same score of 50%
I find Double Position training to be better on the brain because
realistically, humans think visually. Our visual memory is hundreds of
times better than our audio memory and when solving complex problem,
it's our visual memory that does most of the work whether it be in an
IQ test, an experiment, or daily life.
When I work on Dual 5-back, I don't get any brain strain at all - just
a low score. With double position 2-back, the strain is clearly felt.
Personally, I like to train in multiple ways but I find this type the
most effective. Color is especially hard to memories.
than Dual 5-Back?
I get about the same score of 50%
I find Double Position training to be better on the brain because
realistically, humans think visually. Our visual memory is hundreds of
times better than our audio memory and when solving complex problem,
it's our visual memory that does most of the work whether it be in an
IQ test, an experiment, or daily life.
When I work on Dual 5-back, I don't get any brain strain at all - just
a low score. With double position 2-back, the strain is clearly felt.
Personally, I like to train in multiple ways but I find this type the
most effective. Color is especially hard to memories.
Reece
Aug 8, 2011, 1:58:28 AM8/8/11
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Perceived difficulty of dual position 2-back is likely to be largely
dependant on the strength of your auditory n-back skills imo.
My experience with DNB is outlined below:
I can play dual 7-back (though I usually play D6B) only because I
score so high on position-match trials that it compensates for a
failing score on the auditory-match trials -- matter of fact, I can't
consistently pass anything beyond 5-back on the auditory side of
things, yet extremely high scores on the position-match trials (often
100% and rarely much below 90%) often lead to D5B scores in the 80-90%
range, leading me to play D6B where I promptly begin failing on the
auditory-match side of things, although scores still seem quite
respectable when you score ~ 80% on the position side and 40% on the
sound side...
As for dual position n-back, I typically score ~ 70% on dual position
3-back with scores most often in the 60%-80% range, rarely exceeding
85% and very rarely ever failing (the availability heuristic is
probably at play with my remembering of these extreme events).
I thought it was worth mentioning my experience granted I am not a
whole lot better than you at D5B (and certainly not much [if at all]
better on the auditory side of things) and yet I find it rather easy
to score 90%+ on dual position 2-back.
That you say ''Color is especially hard to memorize'' seems to me to
indicate you're probably having trouble for the same reason I do if I
try to play dual position 3+ back (eg. I start mixing up or completely
forgetting whether a certain position element was blue or green but
can very well remember [irregardless of whether I play intuitively or
try to memorize which colors were where] that the top-left had a
position match for 'some color' n-trials ago). It would be interesting
to see if those who have trained with triple n-back (or another mode
which also trains memory for color) have an easier time with dual
position n-back. I'm not sure how long you have been playing dual
position n-back -- I had a lot of trouble with 2-back myself when I
started using it. I went for some time playing dual position 3-back
and, at the very least, I believe it helps maintain any gains on
position n-back resultant of dual position n-back training -- I went
for a few months without almost playing DNB or position n-back
whatsoever and dual stim position 3-back led to no loss whatsoever in
scores (or perceived increase in difficulty) when I returned to D5B/
D6B and position 6/7-back earlier this year.
dependant on the strength of your auditory n-back skills imo.
My experience with DNB is outlined below:
I can play dual 7-back (though I usually play D6B) only because I
score so high on position-match trials that it compensates for a
failing score on the auditory-match trials -- matter of fact, I can't
consistently pass anything beyond 5-back on the auditory side of
things, yet extremely high scores on the position-match trials (often
100% and rarely much below 90%) often lead to D5B scores in the 80-90%
range, leading me to play D6B where I promptly begin failing on the
auditory-match side of things, although scores still seem quite
respectable when you score ~ 80% on the position side and 40% on the
sound side...
As for dual position n-back, I typically score ~ 70% on dual position
3-back with scores most often in the 60%-80% range, rarely exceeding
85% and very rarely ever failing (the availability heuristic is
probably at play with my remembering of these extreme events).
I thought it was worth mentioning my experience granted I am not a
whole lot better than you at D5B (and certainly not much [if at all]
better on the auditory side of things) and yet I find it rather easy
to score 90%+ on dual position 2-back.
That you say ''Color is especially hard to memorize'' seems to me to
indicate you're probably having trouble for the same reason I do if I
try to play dual position 3+ back (eg. I start mixing up or completely
forgetting whether a certain position element was blue or green but
can very well remember [irregardless of whether I play intuitively or
try to memorize which colors were where] that the top-left had a
position match for 'some color' n-trials ago). It would be interesting
to see if those who have trained with triple n-back (or another mode
which also trains memory for color) have an easier time with dual
position n-back. I'm not sure how long you have been playing dual
position n-back -- I had a lot of trouble with 2-back myself when I
started using it. I went for some time playing dual position 3-back
and, at the very least, I believe it helps maintain any gains on
position n-back resultant of dual position n-back training -- I went
for a few months without almost playing DNB or position n-back
whatsoever and dual stim position 3-back led to no loss whatsoever in
scores (or perceived increase in difficulty) when I returned to D5B/
D6B and position 6/7-back earlier this year.
thomasbudhi
Aug 8, 2011, 6:02:07 PM8/8/11
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I have been trainig on dual position n back for nearly a year now.
When I first started it out, I had a tough time to break quad-2-back
(~65% avg). What I found was that by training on higher order modes
(e.g. dual position, triple position, quad position, crab combination
n back), I was able to overcome plateuas.
August of 2010, my dual-n-back was averaging at 7 (65% accuracy,
default number of trials, ~3 sec per interval).
September - started double position n backing
November - started triple position n backing and crab mode
February 2011 - started quad position n backing
May 2011 - decreased time per interval to 1 sec per interval for dual
n back and combination n back
My dual n back is at 8-back with 1 second per trial and averaging at
60% accuracy on an average day. I'm sure if I allowed more time per
trial, I can get an even higher score. But as of now, my goal is to
increase my processing speed by reducing the time per interval.
Bottomline dogbat01, dual position n back is more taxing to your brain
than dual-5-position. I know it's going to sound like a cliche, but
pain is temporary. Chase that headache away with Advil :)
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When I first started it out, I had a tough time to break quad-2-back
(~65% avg). What I found was that by training on higher order modes
(e.g. dual position, triple position, quad position, crab combination
n back), I was able to overcome plateuas.
August of 2010, my dual-n-back was averaging at 7 (65% accuracy,
default number of trials, ~3 sec per interval).
September - started double position n backing
November - started triple position n backing and crab mode
February 2011 - started quad position n backing
May 2011 - decreased time per interval to 1 sec per interval for dual
n back and combination n back
My dual n back is at 8-back with 1 second per trial and averaging at
60% accuracy on an average day. I'm sure if I allowed more time per
trial, I can get an even higher score. But as of now, my goal is to
increase my processing speed by reducing the time per interval.
Bottomline dogbat01, dual position n back is more taxing to your brain
than dual-5-position. I know it's going to sound like a cliche, but
pain is temporary. Chase that headache away with Advil :)
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> - Show quoted text -
Colin Dickerman
Aug 8, 2011, 7:25:46 PM8/8/11
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Color is really hard for me too. I don't know why.
dogb...@yahoo.com
Aug 11, 2011, 9:47:41 AM8/11/11
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So how does color relate to memory?
Why is it so hard to remember?
On Aug 8, 7:25 pm, Colin Dickerman <collin.silvern...@gmail.com>
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Why is it so hard to remember?
On Aug 8, 7:25 pm, Colin Dickerman <collin.silvern...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Aug 11, 2011, 10:35:23 AM8/11/11
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Colors, of course, aren't universally hard to remember. I do just fine with all of the visual stuff. But when it comes to audition, things get a little uncomfortable.
In theory, this has something to do with the wiring one has starting out; people are tuned to stimuli in differing ways which should not be so surprising or inexplicable. This isn't to say the wiring won't change. Anyone will get better... with practice.
argumzio
In theory, this has something to do with the wiring one has starting out; people are tuned to stimuli in differing ways which should not be so surprising or inexplicable. This isn't to say the wiring won't change. Anyone will get better... with practice.
argumzio
So how does color relate to memory?
Why is it so hard to remember?
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Pontus Granström
Aug 12, 2011, 1:58:47 AM8/12/11
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I am willing to support your theory, I am more left/verbal brained above anything else. I see this is n-back, n-back scores, academic achievement My last gap between visual and general intelligence showed a astonishing 6 stanine points difference.
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Well, I'm highly verbal (word savvy) as well – I'm sure anyone has noticed. But in former times, I used to have a difficult time listening. There was even a phase in which sounds were extremely irritating to me and I couldn't stand even moderate volumes of sound. With time I acclimated to the whole business and find myself attentive to sounds and not easily overwhelmed by them anymore. I'm not sure what it was exactly, but it appears that whatever genes were expressed in my brain at the time of development have become dormant.
Anyway, I'm not saying that people are guaranteed to improve on a certain dimension relative to another, but the possibility is there when one takes practice (myelination) into account. The whole left-right, auditory-visual brain argument is a different issue.
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