Manoel Rebello of Achada, 2nd marriage found 1729, Nordestinho

[IslandRoutes]

Is anyone else researching Manoel Rebello (son of Antao Rebello Teixeira and Margarida da Costa Carneiro and m. 17 Aug 1698, Achada to Maria Soares, dau of Manoel Soares and Barbara Furtado?  Tonight, I was looking for someone else in Nordestinho when I came across a second marriage for Manoel Rebello.

He is listed as Manoel Rabolo Carneiro (this fits as his son used the Rebello Carneiro surname), widow of Maria Soares, bur. in Achada Grande.  He married Izabel Correa Pimentel, of Nordestinho, 1 Jun 1729, in Nordestinho.  She is the daughter of Francisco Correa Brandam, deceased, and Maria de Souza.

This is new information on me, so I thought I'd share. It seems to me I came across some Rebello Carneiro's that didn't seem to fit.  Now I'll have to see if they come from this second marriage.  Perhaps someone else is descendant from this couple as well.

Here is the link to the record:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-NORDESTINHO-C-1700-1746/SMG-ND-NORDESTINHO-C-1700-1746_item1/P128.html

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

I have Antão and Margarida.

I had not his son’s Manuel 2nd marriage. Thanks. I can share what I have got. Please let me know if you need anything J.

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

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[IslandRoutes]

Eliseu,
I have 2 children for Antao and Margarida:  Tomaz Costa Carneiro (m. Ana de Souza) and Manoel Rebello (aka Rebello Carneiro (m. Maria Soares).  I am descendant from Manoel and Maria's son, Manoel.

[IslandRoutes]

Eliseu,
I wanted to add something I came across tonight in my notes.  Manoel Rebello and Maria Soares had a dau Jozepha born 26 Apr 1722 and bapt. 30 Apr 1722 in Achada.  Manoel is listed as being a native of Maia and Jozepha a native of Achada.  The godparents were Antonio de Costa Carneiro and his wife Thereza da Rocha natives of Maia. I know we discussed in another thread Costa Carneiro and there seemed to be two distinct family groups.  Do you happen to have any info. on Antono & Thereza of Maia?  I am wondering if they might be related to Manoel Rebello since his brother was Tomaz Costa Carneiro.

Thanks,
Mel

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Mel,

They are my cousins (very distant ones). I have some descendancy of Manuel and Bárbara. Do you need any other info?

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[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

I have nothing on this line of António and Teresa. I will keep it in mind… J

[IslandRoutes]

Eliseu,
I decided to do a descendants list on this line.  This only goes 4 generations.  I have more on the descendants, but I thought it was a little difficult to follow in this format.

Anyway, I should read my data more often. I have RootsMagic set up so all my ancestors show up in blue on my charts. I am directly related to two of the sons of Antao Rebelo Teixeira and Margarida Costa Carneiro.  I am my own cousin AGAIN!  lol  The connection through Tomas Costa Carneiro is my Maia line.  Manoel Pacheco de Resendes and Catarina Mello Medeiros' son Antonio Pacheco de Resendes is my ancestor (his line is the 5th generation).  Then Manoel Rebello and Maria Soares' Margarida Soares de Resendes (m. Francisco Sylva aka Sylva Tavares) is my ancestor.  These are my Achada ancestors who become the Mello's a couple of generations done.

Here is my data in case you don't have this info.:
1-Antao Rebelo TEIXEIRA-9203
b: circa 1640, Sao Miguel Isl., Azores
+Margarida da Costa CARNEIRO-9204
b: circa 1640, Sao Miguel Isl., Azores
m:
. . . . 2-Tomaz da Costa CARNEIRO-2045
        b: about 1675, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
        d: before February 1727
. . . . +Maria do COUTO-9200
        m:
. . . . +Ana de SOUSA-2044
        b: about 1675, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
        m: 18 June 1704, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
. . . . . . . . 3-Josefa Costa CARNEIRO-2046
                b: about 1700, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
. . . . . . . . +Manuel Pacheco RESENDES-2048
                b: 5 February 1700, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
                m: 11 February 1727, Espirito Santo, Maia, Sao Miguel Acores
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Manoel Pacheco de REZENDES-1022 <---my ancestor
                        b: about 1745, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
                        d: 20 August 1797
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Catarina de MELLO E MEDEIROS-1023
                        b: 30 April 1740, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Josefa COSTA-7739
                        m:
. . . . 2-Manoel REBELLO-10760
        b: circa 1698, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
. . . . +Maria SOARES-10761
        m: 17 August 1698, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
        d: before 1729, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . 3-Manoel Rebelo CARNEIRO-1998
                b: about 1720, Maia, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel Island
. . . . . . . . +Barbara REBELA-1999
                b: about 1720, Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores
                m: circa 1740, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Margarida SOARES DE RESENDES-1995 <---my ancestor
                        b: about 1745, Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Francisco da Sylva TAVARES-1994
                        b: circa August 1744, Achadinha, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
                        m: 3 March 1768, Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Antonio SOARES-2002
                        b: 24 January 1746, Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Rosa RESENDES-2003
                        b: 1 February 1749, Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Jose COSTA FURTADO-10764
                        m: 8 September 1777, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Francisco SOARES CARNEIRO-10772
                        b: May 1750, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Maria ROSA-10779
                        m: 12 December 1756, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Vitoria SOARES-2004
                        b: 3 March 1753, Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Jose DUARTE-10767
                        m: 16 October 1791, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Sabina SOARES-10769
                        b: circa 1751, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
                        d: 28 December 1813, Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Francisco de AMARAL-10773
                        m: 9 June 1764, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
                        d: before 1813
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Maria SOARES-10770
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Manoel PERDIGAO-10776
                        m: 20 February 1754, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Joao or Joze SOARES-10771
. . . . . . . . 3-Jozepha SOARES-10809
                b: 26 April 1722, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . +Francisco da SYLVA-10810
                m: May 1755, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . . . . . 3-Thereza RABELLA-10817
. . . . . . . . +Pedro COSTA BRANDAM-10818
                m: January 1755, Achada, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Isl.
. . . . +Izabel CORREA PIMENTEL-10887
        m: 1 June 1729, Nordestinho, Nordeste, Sao Miguel Island, Azores

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Mel,

 

Question about:

 

3 - Manoel Rebelo CARNEIRO-1998 RR says he is not sure about this person being the son of this father… Do you have any proof of this person being the son of Manuel and Maria?

 

 

 

[IslandRoutes]

Eliseu,
I didn't really have anything on him except the info. in RR and the 2nd marriage certificate giving his name as Manoel Rebello Carneiro.  So, I went looking for the first marriage record (I thought I already had it, but I didn't).  Here is what I found:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1690-1728/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1690-1728_item1/P26.html

They were married _____ (can't make out the number) August 1698, Achada.  Mel. Rabollo, son of Antao Rabollo and Margarida da Costa, residents of Maia, married Maria Soares, dau of Mel. Soares __________ (it says something after his name but I can't read it on my computer, can you make it out?  I'll check later on my tablet which is easier to read the records on) and Barbara Furtada, residents of Achada.

I am confused at the end of the record.  Instead of saying Testemunhos it says Padrinhos, don't know if that was the recorders mistake or not.  It says "Padrinhos Simao da Silva mor. no lugar da Maya & Madrinhaas Ma. de Mello nor. de Paullos Furtado de Almeida mor. de Mel. Carreiro  mor._________ da ______ Grande ...."

I've never read this era before.  Is it common to put the godparents in the marriage record?  It also seems the names are confused, maybe the first set is his and the second set are hers?

Anyway, Manoel's parents are given as Antao Rabollo and Margarida da Costa, which is close to Antao Rebello Teixeira and Margarida Costa Carneiro, don't you think?  Is it close enough?

Mel

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Mel,

I think it is the same people. Too many coincidences. However we never know. I will put a note in my research stating that this finding is not 100% sure. This is how I do it.

As to the “madrinhas” I have never seen a certificate with this form… It looks like the “testemunhas” and the “padrinhos” were mixed together. The names are ok:

 

- “Padrinhos”: Simão da Silva da Maia and

- “Madrinhas”?!!!: Maria de Melo wife of Paullos? Furtado and (... thorn) de Almeida wife of Manuel Carreiro, living in Achada Grande.

 

It is common to have the padrinhos and the witnesses. I think at first they used to put down the “ testemunhas” first and then the “padrinhos”. Later they changed it.

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

[IslandRoutes]

Maybe it was a long day and the priest dipped into the wine a bit too much. :D    I agree that it looks like they all got mixed up.  This is the first time I've been marriage records this early.  I haven't noted the godparents being listed in the group for the 1740-1750s. 

I guess the next step would be to look in the records for Maia (if available for the period) to find a baptismal.  If we can prove this couple had those children, we can at least be a little more sure.  Besides those baptismals, are there any other records that might give us the details we seek? 

[IslandRoutes]

Eliseu,
Do you happen to have Manoel Soares Rebello who married Margarida Pimentel in this line anywhere?  I have his parents as Joze Soares and Maria Rabella.  Manoel was 46 years old when he died 15 Mar 1781.  Margarida connects to my tree through marriage. 

Manoel is record as Manoel Soares and Manoel Soares Rebello.  It could be a completely different family, but it has caught my eye.

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Yes Mel, I have some information on them. Please let me know what do you need J´

[IslandRoutes]

Eliseu,
Oh good!  Where do Joze Soares and Maria Rabella fit into the tree?  I don't seem to have them attached to the Soares/Rebello/Carneiro clan as yet.

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Mel, I think the attached is what you may want.

 

To OTHERS: please if you have anything on these please be so kind to share J

[IslandRoutes]

Eliseu,
Thank you for the file!  Now I understand.  I did not have a son, Joze, for Manoel Rebello and Maria Soares.  I see where they fit in.  You have considerably more research on this line than I do.

By the way, I noticed on your chart Jacinto Jose de Braga.  This is my line.  Jozimas de Braga and Maria da Conceicao de Mello (aka Mello Castanho) are my 3rd great grandparents.  Jozimas and Maria came to Hawaii in 1882 on the SS Monarch with their children:  Jose, Maria d'Espirito Santo, and Marie Grace.  They had another son, Seraphim, who left behind in Maia.  He came later when his mother became ill.  Ironically, he was the only one of the descendants to make Hawaii his home.

If you would like information on this line, let me know.  I have considerable research :)

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Mel,

Glad I could help!

Of course I would like the information you are willing to send. I know we connect much closest than I have found til today… but I have not found how. Please send me the much  information you may J

[Amy Francis]

Wow - I am glad I came across this post.  I have just started researching my husband's ancestry, and he connects to this line also. Thanks for attaching the information you had to this family, I cannot wait to start looking into it more closely.

I have Jose Soares Carneiro married to Maria Rebello as my husband's 6th great grandparents.

Rick Pimentel recently pointed me to their marriage record in 1734, but the parent's names were cut off and all I could gather was that Jose's father's name began with an M and his mother was Maria Soares.  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1733-1755/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1733-1755_item1/P5.html         bottom right

This seems to fit with Manoel Rebello and Maria Soares as his parents, especially with the son Jose having the surname as Soares Carneiro similar to Manoel and Maria's other children mentioned in this thread.

I know this thread is some months old,but I have information on Jose Soares Carneiro and Maria Rebello's son Antonio Soares Rebello if anyone would like it.  I did not see Antonio mentioned in the family line yet from the posts above.

Amy Francis