If you are a backer, tell Kickstart and other backers
the facts. Question Kickstart why they allow
such a scam existing on its platform.
Consider to take legal action to stop the scam.
I dont think KickStarter could do anything. Last time I read the TOS, Its (almost) legal to scam, since KS did not take any responsible.
cwhuang deserves the money from KS. If this shitty scam could make money, why we shouldn't? We didnt scam anybody. Now lets start campaign at KS for android-x86! 😁
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The ks platform is made for scams, they actually lowered their security so they wouldn't lose revenue to indiegogo which is so full of scams they don't even ask for working prototypes anymore and are full of projects with fake renders. Check things like the ritot watch or the dragonfly laptop, it makes chris here look like an honest developer!
Contacting bloggers is no use, chris probably paid them for coverage, happens all the time now.
The best we can do is contact tech youtubers, many have a far bigger reach than bloggers and don't care about smalltime bribes like bloggers do
What is on GitHub, right now?
The Android-x86 Core, with our improvements
Buildable with 70% of our unique contributions up there.
Correcting disinformation campaigns from some people who just don't like us. From our CEO:
While only about 70% of our code is on GitHub at the moment, you are free to run a diff between Console OS and any other Android source tree.
There can no longer be claims we've "ripped off" one project or the other. Console OS is a distribution of Android™ that is blending Android-x86.org and Android-IA together. You can now literally compare line-for-line what is in Console OS and the other relevant projects. You can see where we're different, and you can see where we're the same.
Further, we have posted a list (sent to our Kickstarter backers) of the future components that we expect to stage over the next 90 days - components that parallel what shipped in Console OS KitKat, as well as new components we've developed and partner to offer. Except when we're not allowed, we hope to post 100% of them to GitHub, at least in binary form.
We are basing our internal builds, and testing our new Windows installer with what we build off GitHub. GitHub is what we overlay with additional code (still being staged) that will represent our release builds, hopefully later this month.
Hmmm..... interesting.
*Grabs popcorn
Lol! Better have alot of it.. Needed that at 5am.. Ty
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As for an alternative project I been meaning to build a sort of DE for android for a while, kind of like what remixOS did end up doing just open source rather than a closed source and which is also limited to certain ARM tablets and devices only.
Problem is it takes fulltime talented coders to do this or a lot of community traction. The first takes a lot of money and getting that is easier said than done, and I been trying to get people in the Linux community to join but most dislike android for its close proximity to google.
As for intel they are a making a huge horrible mistake backing this joke of a project. In any case they should work with google after all intel isn't in the software biz but the hardware biz and getting people back to the PC and out of ARM phones and tablets is its only concern.
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Intel is more likely to pay remixOS to port it to x86 than to invest in chris scheme, not because he is a scammer but because the remix guys have shipped several ROMs for different devices and two hardware products in a smaller timeframe than chris has taken to deliver next to nothing.
I have got a query - what did Mr Christopher Price do with the 78k$ he got from Kickstart campaign if all he wanted to do was forking android x86 code and renaming it as console os.
Also, what is Intel view on this entire event? Wondering if there is real deal with Intel or it is just another scam we are seeing!?
Most probably it might be like Intel losing interest in android IA development and Mr Christopher Price taking easy route to rename readily available (and usable) android x86 code to console os code.
This is probably very unfortunate and very disappointing incident I have seen since entering opensource community in 2006..
There is no proper communication in Intel android IA team and opensource community all that makes us feel like this entire project is vapour ware!
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I have got a query - what did Mr Christopher Price do with the 78k$ he got from Kickstart campaign if all he wanted to do was forking android x86 code and renaming it as console os.
There's the word scam coming from.
It was not the problem about how he use the money. He can actually go on vacation to Bali and push from there. We dont care, and probably dont want to. All we (well, most of us) want is the end product, which is never done.
This is getting more and more interesting, but I've run out of popcorns. I'm cooking spaghetti 😂
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Must be Mr. Price acting as 3rd person (because from what I understand, he is on Price's side).
I know he is here. How can he make ConsoleOS without android-x86?
It seems to me that at this point the project would highly benefit having a PR / communications / image coordinator who conveys things for its developers in a coherent manner.
Perhaps opening some kind of internship competiton with an action plan, or something like it.
It is highly unlikely that the community will expontaneusly come up with an structured plan to address these things. Let someone with the required skill set help advance the work outside of the community while developers continue what has been a great project.
Come on over.. That would make it hard to steal! Only need to do it till he implodes ...
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https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-x86/qkWG2TwVBqs15 hours ago - Console OS stole Android-x86, Chih-Wei Huang, 12/11/15 8:01 PM. Hi all, [CC this to ... Christopher also announced his Kickstart campaign on the android-x86 list to ...called DR1 to his backers only. However .... http://www.android-x86.org.
On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:01:29 PM UTC-5, Chih-Wei Huang wrote:Hi all,
[CC this to Android-IA list since the guy continues
lying on Android-IA list]
Honestly speaking, I really have no time to check what
Christopher Price and his crappy Console OS did recently.
But I'm getting more and more private requests to ask me
to stop him from stealing the Android-x86 effort.
So as the project leader of the Android-x86 project,
I think I need to do something.
As a background for new comers who haven't heard
the story of Console OS, here is a brief:
Christopher Price started a project called Console OS
at Kickstart in the middle 2014. He promised
"We've rebuilt Android™ to be a primary operating system
for your PC, 2-in-1 or PC Tablet. Over 100 new features
built-in already..."
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mmv/console-os-dual-boot-android-remastered-for-the-pc
Christopher also announced his Kickstart campaign
on the android-x86 list to seek for support.
He claimed Console OS will be shipped at the end of 2014.
Finally he succeeded to collect $78,497 for the project.
However, without any real demo and detailed explanation
how he could achieve his goal, the android-x86 community
quickly exposed this is just a scam and banned this guy forever.
In Dec 2014 Christopher released a first test build of Kitkat
called DR1 to his backers only. However, according to
the comments of some backers, this is just a copy of
android-ia image without any promised features.
Most devices he promised to support cannot install
or even boot the DR1.
While most of his backers are waiting for an update of Kitkat DR2,
Christopher claimed he was moving the development
of Console OS to Android 5.x (Lollipop) since most backers
voted to do so. However,
he is unable to deliver any Lollipop build one year later.
He made many excuses like the most devices have
32-bit UEFI (which is never an issue of android-x86),
Intel didn't support Core processors
(which are supported by android-x86) anymore, and
the Lollipop Logjam (I really have no idea what it is).
Two months ago after the android-x86 5.1-rc1 released,
Christopher claimed he will "open source" the code of
Console OS soon to speed up the development.
Several days ago I was informed the
"Console OS source code" finally appears in github:
https://github.com/iConsole
Guess what it is?
It's just a copy and forked of Android-x86 5.1-rc1
by renaming Android-x86 to ConsoleOS:
Android-x86 -> ConsoleOS
https://github.com/iConsole/Console-OS_bootable_newinstaller/commit/293ba5c4c0d10b21a08c8aeaa516aa57713706d2
Update generic makefiles for ConsoleOS needs
https://github.com/iConsole/Console-OS_device_generic_common/commit/de1ec1f38d1b77b5134c28ffa6e5eca877365c90
The code can't lie.
Except the two commits listed above you
couldn't find any commit made by the Console OS.
There is no any feature developed by them.
According the announcement in the Console OS Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ConsoleInc/
(my comments for each item below)
"What is on GitHub, right now?
* The Android-x86 Core, with some of our improvements
==> at least he is honest that he uses android-x86 code,
but what's the improvements??
* Device-specific build targets for BayTrail-T
==> well, just renaming
* A new home screen, Trebuchet (from CyanogenMod)
==> how could you called it an improvement by just
adding a launcher from another open source project?
besides, where is the source?
* Intel drivers (though many are not active yet)
==> actually all of them are not active
"
Strictly speaking, this guy is legally to fork android-x86
and sell it because this project is open source licensed
(via Apache License, GNU GPL or BSD-like licenses
depends on the components you use).
At first I hope I can just ignored what this guy did
and continue our development,
But after reading more evidences including the
comments of his backers and others,
I think I could endure it no longer.
Christopher Price continues cheating his backers
and all others that "his team" is developing an OS which
is much better than other competitors (including android-x86):
http://consoleos.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/COS-competitive-061214-003.png
However, one year and a half later,
the guy just copied and renamed android-x86
and then claimed this is his amazing OS!
All the developers of android-x86 including me
have spent many sleepless nights to code,
test and debug android-x86 to make it better,
but this guy just copied it to deceive his backers.
The dishonest actions do hurt the android-x86
community very much.
I have to clarify I'm not against the business.
Using android-x86 to do some business is totally fine.
If at the time his Kickstart campaign began,
he honestly described he will use and ship
a unmodified (just renamed) android-x86 product,
and the backers still support it. I'm fine with it.
If he does make some improvements based
on the android-x86 code, I'm glad to see so.
However, cheating the world that he is developing
something amazing on Kickstart in 2014
but finally just copied an open source project that
he degraded at first (see the competitive chart on his site)
is very immoral.
When Kickstart campaign began in 2014, he promised
you "A" (a much better stuff) and accept your money,
but now he just deliver you "B" (a totally different stuff).
If you are a backer, can you accept?
If this is not a scam, what is a scam?
IMO, Christopher Price and his Console OS is
*a cancer* that lives by the nutrient of android-x86.
If we can't cut it immediately, he will continue
absorbing the effort of android-x86 and finally
choke this project.
So if you still cherish the small achievements
we have done so far, please help me to
stop this guy from hurting the community.
I beg for your assistance including
* If you know some media reporters,
tell them the truth about Console OS.
Ask your friends to publish some news
about the failed story of Console OS.
Forward letter to anyone who heard the
Console OS and tell them the truth.
* If you are a backer, tell Kickstart and other backers
the facts. Question Kickstart why they allow
such a scam existing on its platform.
Consider to take legal action to stop the scam.
* I believe some developers from the community
are helping Christopher Price to make the fraud.
I ask you stop doing so since you're playing with fire.
Let us know if you have any other idea to stop this guy.
Please keep the discussion rational in this thread.
Avoid words that may result in flaming war.
Also avoid simply reply like "I agree" or "I support you".
Please express your support by doing the above items
or any useful thing you think.
Finally, if you still believe Christopher Price and his vaporware,
just go away since you are not welcome.
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I'm gonna throw in my two cents.
The answer is NO. Because he's not A Thieving POS...
See how simple that was?
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I'm sorry to hear this. But this was expected to happen in open source softwares.
https://www.blender.org/press/re-branding-blender/
And a case that's more similar to yours :
http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=18112
But they won't last long, since they lack any knowledge or skill to do this project by themselves. That's why they stole it in the first place right? And they're doing it purely for money, no goals or whatsoever. They simply won't survive. And you should do much aggressive marketing with Android x86 so everyone know it's your child.
Nevertheless, please don't turn this project into closed source just because of that scum. And since we're talking about kickstarter, haven't it got crossed your mind to do one yourself?
Cheers
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Yeah. If kickstarter are for thief, explain Pebble Watch.
Um actually I own a pebble, and I'm very satisfied with the watch.
I'm not a backer, bought the watch couple of months after release so I can read reviews and waited for patches and such.
But they do deliver all the stretch goal features.
Possibly my best gadget I've ever bought. So yeah. I still don't get it.
I mean there're bunch of crap projects (go watch idubbbz kickstarter crap channel for this) but there are tons of other legit projects that do delivered what they promised.
Your turn to explain now, how's kickstarter are for thieves.
getting some traction already..........Console OS stole Android-x86 - Google Groups
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-x86/qkWG2TwVBqs15 hours ago - Console OS stole Android-x86, Chih-Wei Huang, 12/11/15 8:01 PM. Hi all, [CC this to ... Christopher also announced his Kickstart campaign on the android-x86 list to ...called DR1 to his backers only. However .... http://www.android-x86.org.
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Indeed this console-os really damage the community as people will feel ripped off.
We did ship our first alpha builds of Lollipop earlier this year.
Hi everyone, good news. We published our Lollipop preview last night.
Bad news, we found a bug and took it down. But, we should have the bug fixed later today. It was a small fastboot glitch.
As to other topics, we want to assure you we are working on UEFI32 as fast as we can. If we can get it working before Mobile World Congress, we will ship it out. What we said was that the newer/easier installer may ship after that...
We did ship our first alpha builds of Lollipop earlier this year. They were based on Android-IA, despite Android-IA 5.0 dropping support for PC hardware.Feedback was negative, and we took in that feedback as part of assessing if we could continue to base on the Android-IA kernel, in spite of Intel pulling support for PC hardware.We continued to try through to July. You will notice if you read the history that we attempted to mainline (and restore) support for EFI Mixed Mode, after that too was dropped by Intel.We are just about to post a timeline in our next update to Kickstarter backers that demonstrates this with clarity. Everything shared here (and more) will be in that update.But this list's relevance to those topics pretty much ends there. By August the Android-IA kernel could not sustain target device hardware. Even Intel China was not supporting the kernel for Compute Stick (which they had for KitKat) which is why we have not moved forward with iConsole micro yet.We are continuing to develop iConsole micro, and have not sought funding for it from the community.Christopher Price
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Way to go Chih-wei. Let's see what cprice can do without community support.
Still waiiting for T100 support though...
It is an edited version of cwhuang's first post about console os in this thread. Look at the word pattern.
Not sure why he edited like that btw.
Hi all,
[CC this to Android-IA list since the guy continues
lying on Android-IA list]
Honestly speaking, I really have no time to check what
Christopher Price and his crappy Console OS did recently.
But I'm getting more and more private requests to ask me
to stop him from stealing the Android-x86 effort.
So as the project leader of the Android-x86 project,
I think I need to do something.
As a background for new comers who haven't heard
the story of Console OS, here is a brief:
Christopher Price started a project called Console OS
at Kickstart in the middle 2014. He promised
"We've rebuilt Android™ to be a primary operating system
for your PC, 2-in-1 or PC Tablet. Over 100 new features
built-in already..."
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mmv/console-os-dual-boot-android-remastered-for-the-pc
Christopher also announced his Kickstart campaign
on the android-x86 list to seek for support.
He claimed Console OS will be shipped at the end of 2014.
Finally he succeeded to collect $78,497 for the project.
However, without any real demo and detailed explanation
how he could achieve his goal, the android-x86 community
quickly exposed this is just a scam and banned this guy forever.
In Dec 2014 Christopher released a first test build of Kitkat
called DR1 to his backers only. However, according to
the comments of some backers, this is just a copy of
android-ia image without any promised features.
Most devices he promised to support cannot install
or even boot the DR1.
While most of his backers are waiting for an update of Kitkat DR2,
Christopher claimed he was moving the development
of Console OS to Android 5.x (Lollipop) since most backers
voted to do so. However,
he is unable to deliver any Lollipop build one year later.
He made many excuses like the most devices have
32-bit UEFI (which is never an issue of android-x86),
Intel didn't support Core processors
(which are supported by android-x86) anymore, and
the Lollipop Logjam (I really have no idea what it is).
Two months ago after the android-x86 5.1-rc1 released,
Christopher claimed he will "open source" the code of
Console OS soon to speed up the development.
Several days ago I was informed the
"Console OS source code" finally appears in github:
https://github.com/iConsole
Guess what it is?
It's just a copy and forked of Android-x86 5.1-rc1
by renaming Android-x86 to ConsoleOS:
Android-x86 -> ConsoleOS
https://github.com/iConsole/Console-OS_bootable_newinstaller/commit/293ba5c4c0d10b21a08c8aeaa516aa57713706d2
Update generic makefiles for ConsoleOS needs
https://github.com/iConsole/Console-OS_device_generic_common/commit/de1ec1f38d1b77b5134c28ffa6e5eca877365c90
The code can't lie.
Except the two commits listed above you
couldn't find any commit made by the Console OS.
There is no any feature developed by them.
According the announcement in the Console OS Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ConsoleInc/
(my comments for each item below)
"What is on GitHub, right now?
* The Android-x86 Core, with some of our improvements
==> at least he is honest that he uses android-x86 code,
but what's the improvements??
* Device-specific build targets for BayTrail-T
==> well, just renaming
* A new home screen, Trebuchet (from CyanogenMod)
==> how could you called it an improvement by just
adding a launcher from another open source project?
besides, where is the source?
* Intel drivers (though many are not active yet)
==> actually all of them are not active
"
Strictly speaking, this guy is legally to fork android-x86
and sell it because this project is open source licensed
(via Apache License, GNU GPL or BSD-like licenses
depends on the components you use).
At first I hope I can just ignored what this guy did
and continue our development,
But after reading more evidences including the
comments of his backers and others,
I think I could endure it no longer.
Christopher Price continues cheating his backers
and all others that "his team" is developing an OS which
is much better than other competitors (including android-x86):
http://consoleos.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/COS-competitive-061214-003.png
However, one year and a half later,
the guy just copied and renamed android-x86
and then claimed this is his amazing OS!
All the developers of android-x86 including me
have spent many sleepless nights to code,
test and debug android-x86 to make it better,
but this guy just copied it to deceive his backers.
The dishonest actions do hurt the android-x86
community very much.
I have to clarify I'm not against the business.
Using android-x86 to do some business is totally fine.
If at the time his Kickstart campaign began,
he honestly described he will use and ship
a unmodified (just renamed) android-x86 product,
and the backers still support it. I'm fine with it.
If he does make some improvements based
on the android-x86 code, I'm glad to see so.
However, cheating the world that he is developing
something amazing on Kickstart in 2014
but finally just copied an open source project that
he degraded at first (see the competitive chart on his site)
is very immoral.
When Kickstart campaign began in 2014, he promised
you "A" (a much better stuff) and accept your money,
but now he just deliver you "B" (a totally different stuff).
If you are a backer, can you accept?
If this is not a scam, what is a scam?
IMO, Christopher Price and his Console OS is
*a cancer* that lives by the nutrient of android-x86.
If we can't cut it immediately, he will continue
absorbing the effort of android-x86 and finally
choke this project.
So if you still cherish the small achievements
we have done so far, please help me to
stop this guy from hurting the community.
I beg for your assistance including
* If you know some media reporters,
tell them the truth about Console OS.
Ask your friends to publish some news
about the failed story of Console OS.
Forward letter to anyone who heard the
Console OS and tell them the truth.
* If you are a backer, tell Kickstart and other backers
the facts. Question Kickstart why they allow
such a scam existing on its platform.
Consider to take legal action to stop the scam.
* I believe some developers from the community
are helping Christopher Price to make the fraud.
I ask you stop doing so since you're playing with fire.
Let us know if you have any other idea to stop this guy.
Please keep the discussion rational in this thread.
Avoid words that may result in flaming war.
Also avoid simply reply like "I agree" or "I support you".
Please express your support by doing the above items
or any useful thing you think.
Finally, if you still believe Christopher Price and his vaporware,
just go away since you are not welcome.