Diabetes and Depression

[Henry Mydlarz]

I have both - Diabetes and depression. The depression has been increasing
over the years, and gets to be quite intense.

It is acknowledged that diabetes and depression often go together, but this
is where the comparison gets blurry. I read constant references about not
being able to manage your diabetes as being a "cause" for depression.

In my case, I manage my diabetes very well - low carb, lots of exercise, low
HbA1c - the lot. I seem to be doing the right things. Yet I have that Black
Dog hanging over me.

I acknowledge that it did not start with my diabetes. It was probably
inherited from my mother, and grew over the decades. the diabetes diagnosis
was a big step, with other events causing further grief along the way.

I am not worried about my diabetes, nor am I worried about a possible
Parkinsons diagnosis... I wish i knew the answer....

Henry

[Gordon]

I've read that some diabetes related medications can cause depression.
I would suggest that you talk with your doctor about this. Gordon

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Henry Mydlarz wrote:

> I have both - Diabetes and depression. The depression has been increasing
> over the years, and gets to be quite intense.
>
> It is acknowledged that diabetes and depression often go together, but this
> is where the comparison gets blurry. I read constant references about not
> being able to manage your diabetes as being a "cause" for depression.
>
> In my case, I manage my diabetes very well - low carb, lots of exercise, low
> HbA1c - the lot. I seem to be doing the right things. Yet I have that Black
> Dog hanging over me.

The key to driving away "that Black Dog" is to lose the depression-causing http://WDJW.net/VAT

I am wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) and hope you, Henry, despite "that Black Dog" also have a healthy appetite too.

So how are you ?












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[Julie Bove]

"Henry Mydlarz" <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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I don't think I ever had depression. But for a time, following my diabetes
diagnosis, I was not in a good place mentally. I think this is likely
because I was not getting good medical care. I was given meds I didn't need
and having side effects. Also had several medical conditions that went
undiagnosed or were misdiagnosed. Add in an infant/toddler and little to no
help at home. At times I began to question my own sanity but I did seek help
and nothing was found to be wrong in the mental department. The counselor
just said she felt I needed better Drs.

I do know several people with depression who do not have diabetes.

[Helper]

There has been some research showing that when the two occur it is also a
positive biological feedback interaction. Consideration is being given to
the hormones produced, or reduced, in the large gut and interactions with
the brain as part of this.

A diet with plenty of undigestable water soluble fiber used by bacteria in
the large gut to stimulate the proper hormone levels is one possible
approach even if diabetic symptoms have been addressed otherwise.

There is also the example where prior depression contributes to poor
lifestyle choices leading to type 2 diabetes, at which point the positive
feedback begins.

Once a diabetic even reversing symptoms as you have and breducing the
feedback loop might not address prior causes for depressssion but would
remove the diabetic biological contribution to it.

[Francher]

Hi Henry,

As I am sure you know, depression has plagued mankind and some of our
greater historical minds as far back as our written history. I surely
don't know if there is a magic pill that would help you or others. I do
know that any friend that tells you to snap out of it is not a friend.

My wife was plagued with depression when she was very young. She was
diagnosed with a bad thyroid about her 19th year. Then she began taking
the thyroid pills, her depression went away. That was a blessing for
both of our lives. She did get depressed again when she had undiagnosed
T2. Eating very low carb, fixed that for her. I suspect her deficient
thyroid was a product of exposure to radiation. Many of the people
living where she was raised have the same problem. Fortunately, I was
not living there when the area was dosed with radiation.

It was a US government experiment in the early 50s to see how much
damage a radiation plume would do to the population. Of course no one
was informed that they had all volunteered for the experiment.

Francher

[Henry Mydlarz]

<Helper> wrote in message
news:57656aae$0$2242$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu...

> There has been some research showing that when the two occur it is also a
> positive biological feedback interaction. Consideration is being given to
> the hormones produced, or reduced, in the large gut and interactions with
> the brain as part of this.
>
> A diet with plenty of undigestable water soluble fiber used by bacteria in
> the large gut to stimulate the proper hormone levels is one possible
> approach even if diabetic symptoms have been addressed otherwise.
>
> There is also the example where prior depression contributes to poor
> lifestyle choices leading to type 2 diabetes, at which point the positive
> feedback begins.
>
> Once a diabetic even reversing symptoms as you have and breducing the
> feedback loop might not address prior causes for depressssion but would
> remove the diabetic biological contribution to it.
>

Thanks for that, Helper.

My "lifestyle choices" prior to my diagnosis were indeed "poor", to say the
least - sedentary lifestyle, moderately overweight, bad diet - they were all
there, as well as a family history.

Also, I would like to drink more water - I know I should - but the old
prostate complains. I'd be running to the toilet a lot, especially at night.

Thanks again.

Henry

[Henry Mydlarz]

"Francher" <donot...@noreply.net> wrote in message
news:dsli50...@mid.individual.net...

> Hi Henry,
>
> As I am sure you know, depression has plagued mankind and some of our
> greater historical minds as far back as our written history. I surely
> don't know if there is a magic pill that would help you or others. I do
> know that any friend that tells you to snap out of it is not a friend.
>
> My wife was plagued with depression when she was very young. She was
> diagnosed with a bad thyroid about her 19th year. Then she began taking
> the thyroid pills, her depression went away. That was a blessing for both
> of our lives. She did get depressed again when she had undiagnosed T2.
> Eating very low carb, fixed that for her. I suspect her deficient thyroid
> was a product of exposure to radiation. Many of the people living where
> she was raised have the same problem. Fortunately, I was not living there
> when the area was dosed with radiation.
>
> It was a US government experiment in the early 50s to see how much damage
> a radiation plume would do to the population. Of course no one was
> informed that they had all volunteered for the experiment.
>
> Francher

Thanks Francher!

In her younger days my mother (I was told) was the "Powerhouse of her
Family". then came the Holocaust. At the end of that she turned into (what
her surviving sister told me as she herself was succumbing to dementia) "a
wimp". I have no doubt that I inherited this (No, I am not blaming my
mother).

Over the decades I have had countless blood tests, including Thyroid, all
being normal. the most recent Thyroid test was done only about a month ago.
In an earlier response to my post, Gordon suggests I should "talk to my
doctor"..... I was toying with a suitable sarcastic response, but suffice to
say that I have now had so many visits to doctors and specialists, that it
was getting time consuming and expensive. And futile.

I might have mentioned on ASD before, but I have been taking Paroxetine
(Paxil in the US) for almost twenty years now, increasing the dose several
times over that time. It is not helping now. It has also made me very
dependant on this drug with many side effects.

Thank You once again.

Have a Good Day!

Henry

[Henry Mydlarz]

"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in message
news:nk3943$mr3$1...@dont-email.me...

Thanks Julie. I also know many people with depression who do not have
diabetes.

You've "been through the wars" yourself, and still are, but I'm glad you
don't have depression on top of everything else. It is a syndrome where I
can rationalise that I should not be depressed; where I can think of nice
things... and yet - I feel terrible. Friends and pleasant people (I am lucky
to be surrounded by such at the school where I work) usually snap me out of
my mood.

When I was diagnosed Type 2, I freaked out! At that stage I didn't know the
finer points of diabetes, but I recalled my mother talking about it. I knew
it was deadly. Even a brief search through the then Internet produced grim
results. What's more, some "well meaning friends" would tell me horror
stories of their family members losing toes and feet, and going blind. That
set my depression off big time.

Thank You once again!

Henry

[mainframetech]

Henry, you might find the book "Honest Medicine" by Julia Schopick to be of interest. Especially the section on Intravenous Alpha Lipoic Acid, page 63.

Chris

[Helper]

I mentioned the gut/brain connection in diabetes and depression and
research.

Here is one article discussing this:

Is Depression a Disease--or a Symptom of Inflammation?

http://chriskresser.com/is-depression-a-disease-or-a-symptom-of-inflammation/.

Inflammation also results from diabetes and is associated with changes in
large gut microbiology.

This is one of the positive feedback loops mentioned before.

Improve what happens in the large gut, reduce inflammation andthe
connection to depression.

[Helper]

Here is an article about the biology of diabetes and depression:

Higher Inflammation Levels May Be The Link Between Depression and Diabetes

http://www.medicaldaily.com/higher-inflammation-levels-may-be-link-between-depression-and-diabetes-287104
The previous article sent makes the connection the gut and depression.
This one completes the loop by looking athe common factor ofinflammation
between gut in the first article sent and diabetes and depression.

Inflammation can be reduced in diabetes by affecting the microbiology of
the large gut by increased undigestable water soluble fiber intake.

When bacteria consume these fibers a byproduct is short chain fattty acids
which stimulate a hormone that reduces inflammation among many other
effects beneficial to a diabetic.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Henry Mydlarz formuleerde op zondag :

Henry,

My brother takes Paxil for 15 years now. He is very happy with it -
would not want anything else anymore.
He has a history of depression, was hospitalized for it twice.
Since the Paxil (which does not let him refrain from drinking beer) he
is okay - travels a lot, is happy with wife and children.
Just showing how different people are.

M. (btw, he is NOT diabetic)

[Henry Mydlarz]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in
message news:946dnRbxbLeqZfjK...@giganews.com...

Yes, Maya, the YMMV is very much in effect with SSRIs.

Henry

[Henry Mydlarz]

<Helper> wrote in message
news:5765e90b$0$2237$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu...

Thanks Helper. I read both articles.

Henry

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Henry Mydlarz wrote:

> I have both - Diabetes and depression. The depression has been increasing
> over the years, and gets to be quite intense.
>
> It is acknowledged that diabetes and depression often go together, but this
> is where the comparison gets blurry. I read constant references about not
> being able to manage your diabetes as being a "cause" for depression.
>
> In my case, I manage my diabetes very well - low carb, lots of exercise, low
> HbA1c - the lot. I seem to be doing the right things. Yet I have that Black
> Dog hanging over me.

The key to driving away "that Black Dog" is to lose the **inflammatory** depression-causing http://WDJW.net/VAT

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.support.diabetes/g8hXdE0krH4/7lCQHrYRBgAJ

I am wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) and again hope you, Henry, despite "that Black Dog" also have a healthy appetite too.

So again how are you ?

[Ozlover]

Henry Mydlarz <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
[...]

> I might have mentioned on ASD before, but I have been taking Paroxetine
> (Paxil in the US) for almost twenty years now, increasing the dose several
> times over that time. It is not helping now. It has also made me very
> dependant on this drug with many side effects.

AFAIK, Paroxetine is more or less the one-size-fits-all approach for
depression. While it may work well for many people and perhaps even for
most people, it definately does not work well for all people. As with
everything in life, one-size-fits-all simply doesn't exist.

As I mentioned before, I advise to talk to your doctor about a
possible alternative.

'Sadly' - like for diabetes - there are many alternatives, so the
search can take a long time, but IMO it's worth it. (FWIW, my quest
involved six different ADs (and about the same number for my quest for
the right diabetes med(s) :-).)

--
Frank Slootweg

[Ozlover]

Francher <donot...@noreply.net> wrote:

> Hi Henry,
>
> As I am sure you know, depression has plagued mankind and some of our
> greater historical minds as far back as our written history. I surely
> don't know if there is a magic pill that would help you or others. I do
> know that any friend that tells you to snap out of it is not a friend.

If you mean that Henry's friends fall in that category, you're doing
them and Henry a disservice, because that's *not* what he said.

What he *did* say was:

"Friends and pleasant people (I am lucky to be surrounded by such at the
school where I work) usually snap me out of my mood."

[...]

[Henry Mydlarz]

"Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:dsoafi...@mid.individual.net...

You did bring up an interesting point, Frank - we all have "well meaning"
friends who inadvertently say insensitive things.

My pet hates are indeed from folks who are lucky enough not to have
depression, and throw things at you such as "think of nice things" or
"you're not getting enough sleep" or "you should drink more water"... In the
case of a diabetic, "your sugar is too high" or "your sugar is too low"...
The other day I lost my cool at my MiL who, while I was feeling very off,
needled me with "you're not happy... why?"

Hell, I must be a difficult bastard to live with sometimes!

Henry

[Don Roberto]

Here's another one for you:
"Don't let the ignoramuses get you down"


Don Roberto

[Julie Bove]

"Henry Mydlarz" <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

news:Ys-dnRjBI4HBSvjK...@giganews.com...

Although this isn't really lucky, I felt lucky when diagnosed with type 2
because I'd already had gestational so at least knew some things like about
diet.

[randyf]

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:40:41 +1000, "Henry Mydlarz"
<myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


>> My brother takes Paxil for 15 years now. He is very happy with it - would
>> not want anything else anymore.
>> He has a history of depression, was hospitalized for it twice.
>> Since the Paxil (which does not let him refrain from drinking beer) he is
>> okay - travels a lot, is happy with wife and children.
>> Just showing how different people are.
>>
>> M. (btw, he is NOT diabetic)
>>

Henry

>Yes, Maya, the YMMV is very much in effect with SSRIs.

A new use for an old drug, sometime used recreationally is making a
big splash in the US.

Too advantages:
1. It works fast
2. Works in folks where SSRI don't work or have stopped working.

Here's a good video presentation:
http://bigthink.com/videos/can-ketamine-treat-depression-2

The presenter is Dean of the Mt. Sinai School of Medicine.

Randy

[Henry Mydlarz]

"randyf" <ra...@val.com> wrote in message
news:lpq8nbh4vpqa0ihq8...@4ax.com...

It all depends on my level of desperation. I am not desperate enough yet.

Henry.

[Don Roberto]

Lets hope you never get there. Ketamine seems to be a VERY nasty drug.

Don Roberto

[Don Roberto]

Looks like "bigthink.com" is the site of the week.

Don Roberto

[ra...@val.com]

bob wrote:
>Looks like "bigthink.com" is the site of the week.

*Looks like* bob is the same miserable miscreant he's always been.
So boring.

And now having to cross post to enlist reinforcements. Pathetic.

Granted you've been shown to be the fool of late (and of early) but
how you can ever make any claim that you're a poster that has any
sincere interest in diabetes shows how delusional you are.

Randy

[Don Roberto]

I'm so sorry my contributions bore you, but this is a support group for
diabetics, not a forum to excite semi-literate wannabes like you.

> And now having to cross post to enlist reinforcements. Pathetic.
>
> Granted you've been shown to be the fool of late (and of early) but
> how you can ever make any claim that you're a poster that has any
> sincere interest in diabetes shows how delusional you are.
>

Isn't there anybody in your life who can help you translate your
pathetic drivel into proper English?
It's bad enough that you start hurling insults at anyone who disagrees
with you - doing so with the language "skills" of a 7th grade dropout
is sad beyond words. Good thing you are obviously oblivious to your
pathetic ways.

Don Roberto
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To live is to war with trolls.
--Henrik Ibsen

[Randy's Waterloo]

Ranting Randy <-- the undisputed Queen of Misrepresentation

[F00]

There are several in these parts and it is hard to judge which is
the worse. Consider the one who played FAKE OUTSIDER for so long
and is now trying to sound reasonable and rational and one of the
suffering diabetics who post here. This from someone who went on
military missions programming nuclear strike missiles while wasted
on illegal drugz, thank you world for avoiding nuclear war because
there's no telling who he would have targeted, it could have been
you or me!

All 12 step programs and such require facing past misdeeds and
believably (read that to mean REALLY) apologizing for them. I have
yet to see any such. Instead he calls people other than himself
"trolls" when he is the greatest troll of all, carrying on that
way for years. Remember "Janet"???? That was another iteration of
the same person.

Kindness doesn't help them, sorry to say. It only serves to
encourage them. Been there, done that, got the Tee Shirt.

Bah!

[Don Roberto]

On 7/6/2016 6:50 AM, F00 wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 4:42 AM, Randy's Waterloo wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jul 2016 09:07:15 -0500, ra...@val.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 04:30:38 -0700, Don Roberto
>>> <anothas...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Looks like "bigthink.com" is the site of the week.
>>>
>>> *Looks like* bob is the same miserable miscreant he's always been.
>>> So boring.
>>>
>>> And now having to cross post to enlist reinforcements. Pathetic.
>>>
>>> Granted you've been shown to be the fool of late (and of early) but
>>> how you can ever make any claim that you're a poster that has any
>>> sincere interest in diabetes shows how delusional you are.
>>
>> Ranting Randy <-- the undisputed Queen of Misrepresentation
>
> There are several in these parts and it is hard to judge which is
> the worse. Consider the one who played FAKE OUTSIDER for so long
> and is now trying to sound reasonable and rational and one of the
> suffering diabetics who post here.

went on
> military missions programming nuclear strike missiles while wasted
> on illegal drugz, thank you world for avoiding nuclear war because
> there's no telling who he would have targeted, it could have been
> you or me!
>
> All 12 step programs and such require facing past misdeeds and
> believably (read that to mean REALLY) apologizing for them. I have
> yet to see any such. Instead he calls people other than himself
> "trolls" when he is the greatest troll of all, carrying on that
> way for years. Remember "Janet"???? That was another iteration of
> the same person.
>
> Kindness doesn't help them, sorry to say. It only serves to
> encourage them. Been there, done that, got the Tee Shirt.
>

What's really sad is Henry - who seems to be a genuinely nice person -
conversing with this stinker just because in his current iteration he is
trying to suck up to everyone here...

Don Roberto

[randyf]

anothascreename, don roberto, bob wrote:
>What's really sad is Henry - who seems to be a genuinely nice person -
>conversing with this stinker just because in his current iteration he is
>trying to suck up to everyone here...

That's not sad, but what you are doing is down right rotten.

Trying to coerce who can talk to who via your trolling rude maneuvers
is atrocious.

I don't care how many big pharma cutn't and paste you post -you are
not here to discuss diabetes or provide support.

Randy

[F00]

Every time I think I have a handle on the limits of your stupidity you
somehow manage to prove me wrong.

[Don Roberto]

Everybody has the ability to excel at something.

Don Roberto

[Don Roberto]

On 7/7/2016 7:58 PM, randyf wrote:
> anothascreename, don roberto, bob wrote:
>> What's really sad is Henry - who seems to be a genuinely nice person -
>> conversing with this stinker just because in his current iteration he is
>> trying to suck up to everyone here...
>
> That's not sad, but what you are doing is down right rotten.
>
> Trying to coerce who can talk to who via your trolling rude maneuvers
> is atrocious.
>

No, Bubba - you can talk to Fake Outsider as much as you want to. He
seems to be on a roll trying to recruit soulmates and you've been out
for years.

> I don't care how many big pharma cutn't and paste you post

Did anyone ask you to care?

-you are
> not here to discuss diabetes or provide support.
>

Not with you. I have a thing about ignoramuses who know everything.

Don Roberto
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The silliest people are usually the most tenacious of their opinions.
--Lady Sarah Pennington