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Etznab
Jun 15, 2012, 10:25:17 PM6/15/12
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Been thinking about Eckankar history a long time. Dr. Louis Bluth was
reportedly the first president of Eckankar.
Was also, reportedly, Paul Twitchell's personal doctor.
According to David Lane & Doug Marman one could get the impression
that Paul Twitchel didn't meet Dr. Bluth until after Eckankar was
founded, 1965-1966, etc.
Personally, I'm not taking anything for granted.
Following is a summary of information about Louis Bluth that I
compiled over the years. I can't vouch for the credibility of all
excerpts and quotes. Some could very well be heresy and / or incorrect
information. Judge for yourself and check everything.
*********
(1894 - Born)
"LOUIS BLUTH was born 17 July 1894, got Social Security number
374-40-7643 (indicating Michigan,) and died November 1980."
http://ssdmf.info/by_birthdate/18940717.html
(1948 - Michigan)
"[...] Dr Louis Bluth Speaks Thursday DR LOUIS BLUTH The Berrien
County Chiropractic association today announced that it will present
Dr Louis Bluth of Berrien Springs in another of the association's
weekly broadcasts at tomorrow morning over tion Dr Bluth is a graduate
of lahr college and the Howard Col-lege of Chiropractic He has been
practicing for 26 years first in cago [Chicago?] then New York City
and for the past seven years in Berrien Springs He will interview a
re- cent chiropractic college graduate in his broadcast tomorrow.
[... .]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/the-news-palladium/1948-03-10/page-13
(1953 - Michigan)
"[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth of the South River rd were in Grand
Rapids three days last week ing the Michigan State Chiropractic
Educational convention [....]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/the-herald-press/1953-06-12/page-16
(1957) Dr. Louis and Dorthy Bluth - Aberree article
http://www.aberree.com/v03/n09p14.html
http://www.kristi-wachter.com/aberree/v03/n09/page0014.pngm0CRruEM7Wo/edit?pli=1
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DcurJvUK1JsSCh_ohInNDqM-QIQi4vO-m0CRruEM7Wo/edit?pli=1
(1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
"[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
Ave Glendora. [... .]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/saint-joseph-herald-press/1959-12-18/page-8?tag=drs+louis+dorothy+bluth&rtserp=tags/?pep=drs-louis-dorothy-bluth
(Date?)
"Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
Rosicrucian's and failed.
"Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
(1966)
"Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
Doug Marman, August 2009]
http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
"Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/msg/cd4246a285acdbec?hl=en&&q=Bluth"Yes,
"My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
[Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/9a1844ccb34936ef?hl=en#
"Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/86e9bc3581d2d436/afe9f5b89ed985f5?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Bluth#afe9f5b89ed985f5
*Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
[Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/9a1844ccb34936ef?hl=en#
(1960s)
"DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
printed."
http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
[Compare with the following.]
"Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
became loyal students of Paul."
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WV7rMN4SmLhYRYbYVWCJB5KrlogfXu2Qny7p3TejE5k/edit
"By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
(1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
transcription in free versions is incomplete)
"key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1967-10-12/page-6?tag=sun+city+dr+louis+bluth&rtserp=tags/sun-city?pep=dr-louis-bluth
[I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
(1969)
This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
incomplete).
http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1968-06-01/page-6?tag=sun+city+dr+louis+bluth&rtserp=tags/sun-city?pep=dr-louis-bluth
(1971)
"Reportedly, Dr. Louis Bluth, former President of Eckankar, and one-
time follower of Sawan Singh, was Paul Twitchell's doctor at the time
of his death in 1971."
[Based on: Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to Higher
Consciousness, p. 488, #46]
*Trivia: " [....] Here is what was published in The Mystic World two
months after Paul passed on:
The official cause of death was a heart attack. The separation
was immediate and Doctor Louis Bluth, 7th Initiate who was hastily
summoned witnessed Paulji ascending in the company of the Masters of
the Vairagi. He realized that efforts to revive the body would come
to no avail although every medical effort was made.
So apparently there was no confusion about the official cause of
death after all. [....]"
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Four.htm
[....] Pat Yarbourgh,Vandilla and Chet Tuttle said Paul told them that
Dr. Louis Booth [should be Bluth?] was to be the next Eck master. Both
Pat and Vandella were 7th initiates at the time. Last I heard Pat
moved to the San Francisco area. Look them up and ask them yourself.
[....]"
http://tinyurl.com/3verxeg
"Millie Moore told me [Doug Marman?] personally that Bluth thought
Gail was a dumb female and thought he could push her into announcing
him as the Living ECK Master. Millie said Bluth was none too subtle
about his thoughts that he should be the chosen one." - Doug Marman
"Chet Tuttle was later fired by Gail from Eckankar when he confronted
her with Paul's will and other documents stating he had picked Louis
Bluth to be the next Eck master. This caused a big riff in the Eck
community and many dropped out of the path. Later, Gail and Darwin
married, that kind of finished it off for all the rest of the 'old
timers' that were involved with anyting to do with the office.
[....]" - Mr. Peabody's Buddy
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/8d729318a8536b18/ddae2052238c5d58?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Bluth#ddae2052238c5d58
"I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
imagine he's long dead now.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/bcd036e0eacf6686/16241a21e1dc21b4?hl=en&q=Bluth&lnk=ol&
"She (Gail) began to get calls from a few of the prominent leaders,
such as the ECKANKAR office manager and Dr. Bluth. They told her that
the whole teaching would fall apart without a leader and that no one
else except her could say who that leader should be, since she was the
closest person to Paul. They urged her again and again to do
something. But Gail told them exactly what she had told Paul: It was
Paul's choice and he was going to have to make it. She wasn't. [....]"
[Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 4]
[Note: Bluth was about 77 years old in 1971.]
(1970s)
"[....] Now it is true that a number of prominent leaders in ECKANKAR
[Dr. Bluth & Dr. Wigglelsworth] left shortly after Darwin was
announced as the next Master, and the shift that took place was a
significant one, even though it probably only represented perhaps
3-4% of the whole membership. [....]"
[Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 4]
*********
The following excerpt is THE REASON I did some research and wrote this
thread.
(1980)
June 19th, 1980: "Excerpted from a letter by Dr. Louis Bluth, former
President of Eckankar, one-time follower of Sawan Singh, and Paul
Twitchell's personal doctor when the Eck leader died in 1971:
Date: June 19, 1980
My wife and I opened the first Eck class in Sun City, Cal. I
personally treated Paul [Paul Twitchell] many times and was the main
speaker in Cincinnati when he passed away. Paul was a sincere student
in the beginning and I considered him honest. Problems between him and
his wife Gail led him to believe she was going to leave him and he
desperately wanted to keep her. So when she demanded more money and
better living, he started to write things and copy from other books.
He [Paul Twitchell] borrowed my books on Radha Soami and copied a
large share from them. I helped him write the Herb book and went to
Riverside University and took Sanskrit, so basically much of the
material is good because it is copied. I confronted him [Paul
Twitchell] with what he had done and his answer was "since the author
of the book said it better than I could I copied it." The trouble is
that he never gave anyone credit as to where he got it.
As far as Darwin (Gross) is concerned, my opinion is that he is
a fake as a Master. I don't think that a Master would divorce his wife
and seek many other female companions. Signed: Louis Bluth, M.D.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankarhistory/message/1434
Bluth talks about how he and his wife opened the first Eck Class in
Sun City?
Bluth says: "Paul was a sincere student in the beginning ...?
THIS IS VERY CURIOUS TO ME! VERY CURIOUS.
*********
Lastly, I found something about a Louis M. Bluth giving a talk about
"Scientific Proof of Immortality" ... apparently in Chicago, in 1921.
This needs further research, because I don't know Dr. Louis Bluth's
(of Eckankar fame) middle initial.
http://newspaperarchive.com/chicago-star-publications/1921-11-10/page-5?tag=sun+city+dr+louis+bluth&rtserp=tags/sun-city?pep=dr-louis-bluth
Moreover, Bluth would have been around 27 years old in 1921. It
appears he came from Michigan and possibly lived in Chicago and then
New York. This is based on the following 1948 article.
"[...] He has been practicing for 26 years first in cago [Chicago?]
then New York City and for the past seven years in Berrien Springs He
will interview a re- cent chiropractic college graduate in his
broadcast tomorrow. [... .]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/the-news-palladium/1948-03-10/page-13
[Bluth was about 54 in 1948. 1948 - 26 years equals 1922. Bluth was
around 28 in 1922.]
Was that Louis M. Bluth who in 1921 gave a talk in Chicago the same
Louis Bluth who later became the first President of Eckankar? This is
NOT A CONFIRMED FACT. So don't take it as one.
*********
If anybody learns the middle initial of the late Dr. Louis Bluth,
please post.
reportedly the first president of Eckankar.
Was also, reportedly, Paul Twitchell's personal doctor.
According to David Lane & Doug Marman one could get the impression
that Paul Twitchel didn't meet Dr. Bluth until after Eckankar was
founded, 1965-1966, etc.
Personally, I'm not taking anything for granted.
Following is a summary of information about Louis Bluth that I
compiled over the years. I can't vouch for the credibility of all
excerpts and quotes. Some could very well be heresy and / or incorrect
information. Judge for yourself and check everything.
*********
(1894 - Born)
"LOUIS BLUTH was born 17 July 1894, got Social Security number
374-40-7643 (indicating Michigan,) and died November 1980."
http://ssdmf.info/by_birthdate/18940717.html
(1948 - Michigan)
"[...] Dr Louis Bluth Speaks Thursday DR LOUIS BLUTH The Berrien
County Chiropractic association today announced that it will present
Dr Louis Bluth of Berrien Springs in another of the association's
weekly broadcasts at tomorrow morning over tion Dr Bluth is a graduate
of lahr college and the Howard Col-lege of Chiropractic He has been
practicing for 26 years first in cago [Chicago?] then New York City
and for the past seven years in Berrien Springs He will interview a
re- cent chiropractic college graduate in his broadcast tomorrow.
[... .]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/the-news-palladium/1948-03-10/page-13
(1953 - Michigan)
"[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth of the South River rd were in Grand
Rapids three days last week ing the Michigan State Chiropractic
Educational convention [....]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/the-herald-press/1953-06-12/page-16
(1957) Dr. Louis and Dorthy Bluth - Aberree article
http://www.aberree.com/v03/n09p14.html
http://www.kristi-wachter.com/aberree/v03/n09/page0014.pngm0CRruEM7Wo/edit?pli=1
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DcurJvUK1JsSCh_ohInNDqM-QIQi4vO-m0CRruEM7Wo/edit?pli=1
(1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
"[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
Ave Glendora. [... .]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/saint-joseph-herald-press/1959-12-18/page-8?tag=drs+louis+dorothy+bluth&rtserp=tags/?pep=drs-louis-dorothy-bluth
(Date?)
"Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
Rosicrucian's and failed.
"Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
(1966)
"Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
Doug Marman, August 2009]
http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
"Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/msg/cd4246a285acdbec?hl=en&&q=Bluth"Yes,
"My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
[Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/9a1844ccb34936ef?hl=en#
"Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/86e9bc3581d2d436/afe9f5b89ed985f5?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Bluth#afe9f5b89ed985f5
*Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
[Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/9a1844ccb34936ef?hl=en#
(1960s)
"DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
printed."
http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
[Compare with the following.]
"Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
became loyal students of Paul."
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WV7rMN4SmLhYRYbYVWCJB5KrlogfXu2Qny7p3TejE5k/edit
"By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
(1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
transcription in free versions is incomplete)
"key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1967-10-12/page-6?tag=sun+city+dr+louis+bluth&rtserp=tags/sun-city?pep=dr-louis-bluth
[I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
(1969)
This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
incomplete).
http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1968-06-01/page-6?tag=sun+city+dr+louis+bluth&rtserp=tags/sun-city?pep=dr-louis-bluth
(1971)
"Reportedly, Dr. Louis Bluth, former President of Eckankar, and one-
time follower of Sawan Singh, was Paul Twitchell's doctor at the time
of his death in 1971."
[Based on: Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to Higher
Consciousness, p. 488, #46]
*Trivia: " [....] Here is what was published in The Mystic World two
months after Paul passed on:
The official cause of death was a heart attack. The separation
was immediate and Doctor Louis Bluth, 7th Initiate who was hastily
summoned witnessed Paulji ascending in the company of the Masters of
the Vairagi. He realized that efforts to revive the body would come
to no avail although every medical effort was made.
So apparently there was no confusion about the official cause of
death after all. [....]"
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Four.htm
[....] Pat Yarbourgh,Vandilla and Chet Tuttle said Paul told them that
Dr. Louis Booth [should be Bluth?] was to be the next Eck master. Both
Pat and Vandella were 7th initiates at the time. Last I heard Pat
moved to the San Francisco area. Look them up and ask them yourself.
[....]"
http://tinyurl.com/3verxeg
"Millie Moore told me [Doug Marman?] personally that Bluth thought
Gail was a dumb female and thought he could push her into announcing
him as the Living ECK Master. Millie said Bluth was none too subtle
about his thoughts that he should be the chosen one." - Doug Marman
"Chet Tuttle was later fired by Gail from Eckankar when he confronted
her with Paul's will and other documents stating he had picked Louis
Bluth to be the next Eck master. This caused a big riff in the Eck
community and many dropped out of the path. Later, Gail and Darwin
married, that kind of finished it off for all the rest of the 'old
timers' that were involved with anyting to do with the office.
[....]" - Mr. Peabody's Buddy
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/8d729318a8536b18/ddae2052238c5d58?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Bluth#ddae2052238c5d58
"I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
imagine he's long dead now.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/bcd036e0eacf6686/16241a21e1dc21b4?hl=en&q=Bluth&lnk=ol&
"She (Gail) began to get calls from a few of the prominent leaders,
such as the ECKANKAR office manager and Dr. Bluth. They told her that
the whole teaching would fall apart without a leader and that no one
else except her could say who that leader should be, since she was the
closest person to Paul. They urged her again and again to do
something. But Gail told them exactly what she had told Paul: It was
Paul's choice and he was going to have to make it. She wasn't. [....]"
[Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 4]
[Note: Bluth was about 77 years old in 1971.]
(1970s)
"[....] Now it is true that a number of prominent leaders in ECKANKAR
[Dr. Bluth & Dr. Wigglelsworth] left shortly after Darwin was
announced as the next Master, and the shift that took place was a
significant one, even though it probably only represented perhaps
3-4% of the whole membership. [....]"
[Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 4]
*********
The following excerpt is THE REASON I did some research and wrote this
thread.
(1980)
June 19th, 1980: "Excerpted from a letter by Dr. Louis Bluth, former
President of Eckankar, one-time follower of Sawan Singh, and Paul
Twitchell's personal doctor when the Eck leader died in 1971:
Date: June 19, 1980
My wife and I opened the first Eck class in Sun City, Cal. I
personally treated Paul [Paul Twitchell] many times and was the main
speaker in Cincinnati when he passed away. Paul was a sincere student
in the beginning and I considered him honest. Problems between him and
his wife Gail led him to believe she was going to leave him and he
desperately wanted to keep her. So when she demanded more money and
better living, he started to write things and copy from other books.
He [Paul Twitchell] borrowed my books on Radha Soami and copied a
large share from them. I helped him write the Herb book and went to
Riverside University and took Sanskrit, so basically much of the
material is good because it is copied. I confronted him [Paul
Twitchell] with what he had done and his answer was "since the author
of the book said it better than I could I copied it." The trouble is
that he never gave anyone credit as to where he got it.
As far as Darwin (Gross) is concerned, my opinion is that he is
a fake as a Master. I don't think that a Master would divorce his wife
and seek many other female companions. Signed: Louis Bluth, M.D.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankarhistory/message/1434
Bluth talks about how he and his wife opened the first Eck Class in
Sun City?
Bluth says: "Paul was a sincere student in the beginning ...?
THIS IS VERY CURIOUS TO ME! VERY CURIOUS.
*********
Lastly, I found something about a Louis M. Bluth giving a talk about
"Scientific Proof of Immortality" ... apparently in Chicago, in 1921.
This needs further research, because I don't know Dr. Louis Bluth's
(of Eckankar fame) middle initial.
http://newspaperarchive.com/chicago-star-publications/1921-11-10/page-5?tag=sun+city+dr+louis+bluth&rtserp=tags/sun-city?pep=dr-louis-bluth
Moreover, Bluth would have been around 27 years old in 1921. It
appears he came from Michigan and possibly lived in Chicago and then
New York. This is based on the following 1948 article.
"[...] He has been practicing for 26 years first in cago [Chicago?]
then New York City and for the past seven years in Berrien Springs He
will interview a re- cent chiropractic college graduate in his
broadcast tomorrow. [... .]"
http://newspaperarchive.com/the-news-palladium/1948-03-10/page-13
[Bluth was about 54 in 1948. 1948 - 26 years equals 1922. Bluth was
around 28 in 1922.]
Was that Louis M. Bluth who in 1921 gave a talk in Chicago the same
Louis Bluth who later became the first President of Eckankar? This is
NOT A CONFIRMED FACT. So don't take it as one.
*********
If anybody learns the middle initial of the late Dr. Louis Bluth,
please post.
Etznab
Jun 15, 2012, 10:57:13 PM6/15/12
to
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DcurJvUK1JsSCh_ohInNDqM-QIQi4vO-m...
>
> (1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
>
> "[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
> Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
> In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
> here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
> Ave Glendora. [... .]"
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/saint-joseph-herald-press/1959-12-18/page...
> (1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
>
> "[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
> Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
> In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
> here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
> Ave Glendora. [... .]"
>
>
> (Date?)
>
> "Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
> Rosicrucian's and failed.
> "Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
> Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
>
> (1966)
>
> "Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
> this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
> his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
> in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
> Doug Marman, August 2009]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
>
> "Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
> Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
> were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
> that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
> a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/msg/cd4246a285ac..."Yes,
> (Date?)
>
> "Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
> Rosicrucian's and failed.
> "Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
> Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
>
> (1966)
>
> "Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
> this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
> his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
> in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
> Doug Marman, August 2009]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
>
> "Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
> Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
> were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
> that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
> a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
>
>
> "My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
> Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
> the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
> Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
> teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
> believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
>
> [Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
> Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
> the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
> Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
> teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
> believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
>
> [Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
>
>
> "Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
> the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
> the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
>
>
> *Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
> stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
> Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
> for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
> [Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> *Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
> stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
> Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
> for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
> [Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
>
>
> (1960s)
>
> "DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
> Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
> believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
> Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
> to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
> printed."
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> [Compare with the following.]
>
> "Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
> Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
> devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
> Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
> never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
> became loyal students of Paul."
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WV7rMN4SmLhYRYbYVWCJB5KrlogfXu2Qn...
> (1960s)
>
> "DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
> Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
> believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
> Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
> to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
> printed."
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> [Compare with the following.]
>
> "Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
> Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
> devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
> Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
> never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
> became loyal students of Paul."
>
>
> "By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
> was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> (1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
> transcription in free versions is incomplete)
>
> "key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
> and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
> E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
> Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
> assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
> Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
> Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
> McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
> relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
> Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1967-10-12/page-6?ta...
> "By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
> was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> (1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
> transcription in free versions is incomplete)
>
> "key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
> and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
> E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
> Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
> assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
> Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
> Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
> McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
> relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
> Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
>
>
> [I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
> senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
>
> (1969)
>
> This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
> incomplete).
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1968-06-01/page-6?ta...
> [I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
> senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
>
> (1969)
>
> This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
> incomplete).
>
>
> "I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
> him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
> David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
> imagine he's long dead now.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
> him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
> David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
> imagine he's long dead now.
>
>
> Moreover, Bluth would have been around 27 years old in 1921. It
> appears he came from Michigan and possibly lived in Chicago and then
> New York. This is based on the following 1948 article.
>
> "[...] He has been practicing for 26 years first in cago [Chicago?]
> then New York City and for the past seven years in Berrien Springs He
> will interview a re- cent chiropractic college graduate in his
> broadcast tomorrow. [... .]"
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/the-news-palladium/1948-03-10/page-13
>
> [Bluth was about 54 in 1948. 1948 - 26 years equals 1922. Bluth was
> around 28 in 1922.]
>
> Was that Louis M. Bluth who in 1921 gave a talk in Chicago the same
> Louis Bluth who later became the first President of Eckankar? This is
> NOT A CONFIRMED FACT. So don't take it as one.
>
> *********
>
> If anybody learns the middle initial of the late Dr. Louis Bluth,
> please post.
One of the links doesn't appear to be working. I found that it came
> Moreover, Bluth would have been around 27 years old in 1921. It
> appears he came from Michigan and possibly lived in Chicago and then
> New York. This is based on the following 1948 article.
>
> "[...] He has been practicing for 26 years first in cago [Chicago?]
> then New York City and for the past seven years in Berrien Springs He
> will interview a re- cent chiropractic college graduate in his
> broadcast tomorrow. [... .]"
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/the-news-palladium/1948-03-10/page-13
>
> [Bluth was about 54 in 1948. 1948 - 26 years equals 1922. Bluth was
> around 28 in 1922.]
>
> Was that Louis M. Bluth who in 1921 gave a talk in Chicago the same
> Louis Bluth who later became the first President of Eckankar? This is
> NOT A CONFIRMED FACT. So don't take it as one.
>
> *********
>
> If anybody learns the middle initial of the late Dr. Louis Bluth,
> please post.
from April 7th, 2005. Example:
Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
Rosicrucian's and failed.
Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
Eckankar and then turn into an apostate.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
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Etznab
Jun 16, 2012, 9:36:39 AM6/16/12
to
On Jun 15, 9:25 pm, Etznab <etz...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DcurJvUK1JsSCh_ohInNDqM-QIQi4vO-m...
>
> (1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
>
> "[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
> Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
> In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
> here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
> Ave Glendora. [... .]"
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/saint-joseph-herald-press/1959-12-18/page...
> (1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
>
> "[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
> Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
> In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
> here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
> Ave Glendora. [... .]"
>
>
> (Date?)
>
> "Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
> Rosicrucian's and failed.
> "Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
> Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
>
> (1966)
>
> "Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
> this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
> his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
> in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
> Doug Marman, August 2009]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
>
> "Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
> Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
> were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
> that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
> a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/msg/cd4246a285ac..."Yes,
> (Date?)
>
> "Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
> Rosicrucian's and failed.
> "Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
> Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
>
> (1966)
>
> "Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
> this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
> his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
> in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
> Doug Marman, August 2009]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
>
> "Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
> Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
> were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
> that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
> a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
>
>
> "My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
> Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
> the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
> Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
> teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
> believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
>
> [Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
> Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
> the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
> Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
> teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
> believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
>
> [Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
>
>
> "Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
> the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
> the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
>
>
> *Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
> stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
> Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
> for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
> [Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> *Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
> stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
> Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
> for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
> [Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
>
>
> (1960s)
>
> "DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
> Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
> believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
> Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
> to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
> printed."
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> [Compare with the following.]
>
> "Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
> Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
> devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
> Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
> never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
> became loyal students of Paul."
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WV7rMN4SmLhYRYbYVWCJB5KrlogfXu2Qn...
> (1960s)
>
> "DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
> Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
> believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
> Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
> to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
> printed."
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> [Compare with the following.]
>
> "Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
> Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
> devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
> Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
> never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
> became loyal students of Paul."
>
>
> "By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
> was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> (1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
> transcription in free versions is incomplete)
>
> "key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
> and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
> E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
> Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
> assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
> Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
> Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
> McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
> relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
> Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1967-10-12/page-6?ta...
> "By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
> was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> (1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
> transcription in free versions is incomplete)
>
> "key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
> and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
> E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
> Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
> assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
> Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
> Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
> McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
> relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
> Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
>
>
> [I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
> senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
>
> (1969)
>
> This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
> incomplete).
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1968-06-01/page-6?ta...
> [I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
> senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
>
> (1969)
>
> This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
> incomplete).
>
>
> "I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
> him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
> David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
> imagine he's long dead now.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
> him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
> David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
> imagine he's long dead now.
>
>
> "She (Gail) began to get calls from a few of the prominent leaders,
> such as the ECKANKAR office manager and Dr. Bluth. They told her that
> the whole teaching would fall apart without a leader and that no one
> else except her could say who that leader should be, since she was the
> closest person to Paul. They urged her again and again to do
> something. But Gail told them exactly what she had told Paul: It was
> Paul's choice and he was ...
> "She (Gail) began to get calls from a few of the prominent leaders,
> such as the ECKANKAR office manager and Dr. Bluth. They told her that
> the whole teaching would fall apart without a leader and that no one
> else except her could say who that leader should be, since she was the
> closest person to Paul. They urged her again and again to do
> something. But Gail told them exactly what she had told Paul: It was
>
> read more »
Trying to find something more about that Fox Temple and Chicago
(mentioned in 1921 newspaper article along with the name Louis M.
Bluth).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Spiritualist_Association_of_Chu...
Saw a Louis M. Bluth listed in 1930 Chicago Census, however, the birth
year was 1895 - which is NOT THE SAME as the Bluth who later became
president of Eckankar (b. 1894).
Also George Burns (who played God in a movie?) had a mother and father
who's names were sometimes given as Louis and Dorothy Bluth.
About George Burns:
"He was the 9th of 12 children born to Louis and Dorothy (Bluth)
Birnbaum."
http://philosopedia.org/index.php/George_Burns
George Burns was born about two years after the Dr. Louis Bluth (not
Dr. Louis M. Bluth, b. 1895) mentioned on this thread. Just mentioning
this because the information might come up during Web search for Dr.
Louis Bluth from Michigan.
***
In any case, Dr. Louis Bluth (b. 1894) appears to have been a key
player in early Eckankar history. This is partly why I decided to give
a summary profile. This one thread will save people a whole lot of
time if ever they should research what was said about Bluth and his
involvement with Eckankar.
Etznab
Jun 16, 2012, 10:08:54 AM6/16/12
to
On Jun 15, 9:25 pm, Etznab <etz...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DcurJvUK1JsSCh_ohInNDqM-QIQi4vO-m...
>
> (1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
>
> "[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
> Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
> In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
> here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
> Ave Glendora. [... .]"
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/saint-joseph-herald-press/1959-12-18/page...
> (1959) Drs Louis & Dorthy Bluth, California?
>
> "[...] Drs Louis and Dorothy Bluth who recently moved from Berrien
> Springs to Calif The letters say they like the climate and are happy
> In their new home Drs Bluth made many friends during their residence
> here and practice of tic in this vicinity Their address Is 1057 East
> Ave Glendora. [... .]"
>
>
> (Date?)
>
> "Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
> Rosicrucian's and failed.
> "Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
> Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
>
> (1966)
>
> "Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
> this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
> his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
> in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
> Doug Marman, August 2009]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
>
> "Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
> Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
> were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
> that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
> a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/msg/cd4246a285ac..."Yes,
> (Date?)
>
> "Years before Eckankar, Dr. Louis Bluth had attempted to take over the
> Rosicrucian's and failed.
> "Nor was he the first Eckankar initiate to try and lay claim to
> Eckankar and then turn into an apostate."
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20F41678
>
> (1966)
>
> "Secondly, Dr. Bluth may have loaned Paul his Radhasoami books, but
> this explains nothing about The Far Country, since Paul had written
> his book years before Dr. Bluth met him. The Far Country was written
> in 1963-1964. Dr. Bluth didn't meet Paul until 1966 or 1967." [-
> Doug Marman, August 2009]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6a7nsen
>
> "Yes, Dr. Bluth was a student of Radha Soami Beas Satsang, where Sawan
> Singh taught. I believe he started studying with Paul in 1967. There
> were a number of Kirpal's students as well as Beas Satsang students
> that joined Eckankar back in those days. I don't think it was every
> a large percentage, however." [Doug Marman]
>
>
> "My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
> Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
> the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
> Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
> teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
> believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
>
> [Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "My understanding is that Dr. Bluth was a follower of Radha Soami
> Satsang Beas, which means that after Sawan Singh died, Jagat Singh was
> the Guru for a short period and then Charan Singh became the Guru. The
> Beas group was opposed to Kirpal's splitting off and forming his own
> teaching. So, he would not have had any love lost over Kirpal. I
> believe Dr. Bluth first met Paul around 1966."
>
> [Based on: D.M. A.R.E. post 03/07/10]
>
>
> "Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
> the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "Bluth spent far more time with Paul in the earlier years, long before
> the Board even existed." - Doug Marman
>
>
> *Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
> stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
> Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
> for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
> [Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> *Trivia: "In a lecture by Bluth that I (TianYue) attended, Bluth
> stated that he followed Radhasoami for 17 years before he joined
> Eckankar. Bluth was an acupuncturist as well as an MD (a bit of trivia
> for you, Etznab.) He was rather full of himself, in my view. - Tianyue
> [Based on A.R.E. post 03/09/10]
>
>
> (1960s)
>
> "DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
> Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
> believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
> Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
> to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
> printed."
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> [Compare with the following.]
>
> "Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
> Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
> devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
> Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
> never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
> became loyal students of Paul."
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WV7rMN4SmLhYRYbYVWCJB5KrlogfXu2Qn...
> (1960s)
>
> "DARWIN GROSS WRITES: While on the subject, let me say that The
> Tiger's Fang was written in 1956 by Paul up in the Seattle area, I
> believe it was, where he was at the time, either that or back in
> Washington DC working on a newspaper. And it was Dr Bluth who refused
> to loan Paul the $1,000 to publish this book, which eventually was
> printed."
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> [Compare with the following.]
>
> "Secondly, I [Patti Simpson] had been close friends with the Drs.
> Bluth who were close to Paul. They told me they had been highly placed
> devotees in Rhada Soami for seventeen years. But when they read The
> Tiger's Fang, they knew that Paul had gone places the RS masters had
> never even known of and they were so blown away they left RS and
> became loyal students of Paul."
>
>
> "By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
> was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> (1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
> transcription in free versions is incomplete)
>
> "key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
> and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
> E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
> Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
> assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
> Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
> Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
> McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
> relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
> Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1967-10-12/page-6?ta...
> "By the way, Darji, Bluth hadn't met Twitchell until after Eckankar
> was started in 1965." [- David Lane, September 1997]
>
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/sepek.html
>
> (1967) Dr. Louis Bluth, Sun City? (Take into account that the text
> transcription in free versions is incomplete)
>
> "key officers were Apple Mrs N m MmM San Sun City Lewis Lemon James H
> and D C. Arnold Harl Richard Dr. Louis Bluth from Sun Donald J. Vernon
> E. who is serving on the A. N. Gilbert Legislative committee of g.
> Frank was the main ley p. Robert D. executive dred R. George W.
> assistant from the Long Beach Carl G. Parker main also gave a brief
> Samuel G. Vance Tbe next District meeting H. and the Misses JI be in
> Redlands in early gina Brennan and Betty M. Col- Sharon Vander Paul
> McGlothlin days In the presence of Mrs. Geneva Mills at L J SO
> relatives and and by Norman Ofc OUU 111. his car organ mate Sharon
> Vander Ven became the bride' ' "
>
>
> [I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
> senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
>
> (1969)
>
> This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
> incomplete).
>
> http://newspaperarchive.com/redlands-daily-facts/1968-06-01/page-6?ta...
> [I think Sun City, California might have been a retirement area for
> senior citizens. In 1967 Bluth would have been around 73 years old.]
>
> (1969)
>
> This link may, or may not mention Dr. Louis Bluth (text is
> incomplete).
>
>
> "I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
> him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
> David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
> imagine he's long dead now.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/th...
> "I recall that Doc Bluth then left Eckankar and took a few chelas with
> him. I never heard of him again as any kind master or leader, but
> David Lane dug him up somehow in 1980 to get his 'apostate letter'. I
> imagine he's long dead now.
>
>
> "She (Gail) began to get calls from a few of the prominent leaders,
> such as the ECKANKAR office manager and Dr. Bluth. They told her that
> the whole teaching would fall apart without a leader and that no one
> else except her could say who that leader should be, since she was the
> closest person to Paul. They urged her again and again to do
> something. But Gail told them exactly what she had told Paul: It was
> Paul's choice and he was ...
> "She (Gail) began to get calls from a few of the prominent leaders,
> such as the ECKANKAR office manager and Dr. Bluth. They told her that
> the whole teaching would fall apart without a leader and that no one
> else except her could say who that leader should be, since she was the
> closest person to Paul. They urged her again and again to do
> something. But Gail told them exactly what she had told Paul: It was
>
> read more »
People leave Eckankar for various reasons. Apparently, former
Presidents (Bluth) And Vice presidents (Todd Kramer), etc.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/7a57c6c5a364dbc2/4aad5f5b9fd49835?hl=en&q=Todd+Kramer&lnk=ol&
Even that woman married to the first two leaders of Eckankar ... what
was her name? ... seems to have gone elsewhere.
It looks like Bluth's reason was that he didn't like Darwin Gross
(maybe Bluth thought the leadership should have gone to himself?).
Hard to tell what is really true from all the rumors..
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