Kinpa said what?

[Etznab]

How many times has Kinpa make a prediction? or insulted other people (and / or their relatives and friends) publicly on this group in the past year, or so?

The following quotes are not sorted perfectly yet, or in perfect context, however, the text can be searched for in the archives where the exact date and context will appear. I will sort it out when time permits, but for now it is important to show that these silly predictions and insults by Kinpa are personal, that he even denies then having done anything wrong, and continues to talk in circles.

Begin quotes ...

Kinpa: "its surprising how many people do not care in the least, at this point in time, about Paul Twitchell's plagiarisms, being that every spiritual path on the planet took from previous teachings and then propelled them into further development and evolution....great stuff!"

Kinpa: "the fact remains that i have yet to personally speak to a single person that cares even slightly about plagiarisms,"

Etznab: Your not the Eckankar P.R. person are you?

Kinpa: "... the fact of the matter is, that plagiarism isnt actually a crime, therefore, no one can expect anyone to be liable for it at all....if one wants to speak on the terms of copyright infringement, that's fine, but DO, at the very least, call it what you actually mean by it, which happens to NOT be plagiarism at all...."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/A6-M2o6FDeM

Kinpa: "It means that Paul Twitchell plagiarised, and that is ALL it means, unless you can prove that it means any other thing, which thus far you have been unable to do...It's a very simple matter..."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/uIhQ3M-dM7U

Etznab: "Kinpa has no problem with plagiarism. Why is that? Because it was supposedly done by a living master and projected onto fictional characters instead?"

Kinpa: "... and i have no problem with it, but why on earth does everything revolve around this one thing? Eckankar simply does not owe anyone any explanation. Its very simple, if you believe as strongly as your words make you seem, simply leave Eckankar behind lol..."

Etznab: "You are the Eckankar P.R. person sent to a.r.e. for damage control?"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/E4Cl1Zw056s

Etznab: "And this was only the beginning of December 2014 when Kinpa responded to a single post with the following:"

"is this load getting heavy yet?? it's amusing how often you claim the mental states of others are lacking, but your own is just fine, except it isn't at all that way is it? lol...look in the mirror bub ;) the truth of the matter is that God, by whatever name has NO religion, so this mental crutch you now use to support yourself isn't ever going top help you deal with the mental problems you've been struggling with for decades, and those are only getting worse if you haven't noticed....but such is delusion lol....have a nice day!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/czWAYcjIX7w

Etznab: "I think this is another perfect example of your lying."

Kinpa: "Doug Marman is included in those, as if you didn't already KNOW! You have always been far too scared to address him directly at his own site with your accusations, despite the fact that you have made it obvious here that you stalk him and his site endlessly!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/p6eh-sQSoiQ

Etznab: "Someone posts. Kinpa comments. Poster says something like 'whatever'. Kinpa responds with the word headache. Example:

"your own words make it very clear that you were! how is the headache? try some asprin.."

Etznab: Crap, Oral sex, mental problems, Headaches? ... these things are what Kinpa leveles at another because to him it is fun? A.R.E. for him is endless entertainment?

***

Etznab: "Look into this mirror about you and the type of language spouted at others here. Keep in mind the other shit, etc. before this point in time."

Kinpa: "would you like to see bat shit crazy?? LOL look in the mirror in a week....on the toilet you go again! enjoy the gift! when you begin shitting blood, go see a doctor ;) of course i am well aware that you will never admit such a thing in public, but you know damned well what happened the last time....enjoy yourself! it is 12/07/2014 so it is 12/08/2014 where you are, and so it begins! SO much fun you are! thank you once again, never a dull moment with your ranting and raving!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/tDgma7tfnH8

Etznab: "Just pointing out an habitual statement."

Kinpa: "... i have the right to continually hammer in that same nail, that plagiarisms prove ONLY plagiarism, they do not prove ANYTHING else! period! end of story!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10

Kinpa: "Stop flattering yourself, you are not, and have never been a 'truth Master'.....you are a drunken piece of shit that lies around drunk all day pretending to be a tough guy on a COMPUTER! And why are you all taped up? What is that all about?

Kinpa: "you will have a surprise sometime today Sean! enjoy that!"

Kinpa: "magik? no, that stuff is for amateurs lol, i have no time for such regardless of the spelling. it must have been the wind after all! LOL"

Etznab: "What do you mean by this? I saw you mention a belief that Paul wrote the books. So who are you referring to here?"

Kinpa: "besides the fact that if i person SPEAKS the words of another's book out loud to another person, that is not plagiarism"

Etznab: "The majority of people you are speaking for again?"

"i've said it before, and i'll say it again, the majority simply do not care in the least, the people that you speak to regularly do, which is also fine, but you have never gone out into any group of people that you had previously had no contact with and asked them about it now have you?"

Etznab: "I think this is one of the 'talking points' I referred to earlier."

Kinpa: "Religion has existed in various forms for thousands of years, and sacred writings (to whichever religion) have always been used and or plagiarised by those reformers who eventually began a new religion, so in that context, plagiarism has always happened, and has never been considered a very big deal by anyone until the 70's at best. it is what it is, and it is not what it is not."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/j_VXc5J8DpM

Kinpa: "which still means nothing other than that PT plagiarized, it's very simple really, and still in no way addresses whether or not any ECK Masters are real or fictional, apples and oranges..."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/H8dkCpno0to

Etznab: "Kinpa commenting about other people's inner experiences. For the record."

Kinpa: "and you are still quite behind as far as inner experience goes."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/k02HSqxwyEg

Etznab: "Apples and oranges again."

Kinpa: "this is an area where you make a claim that has nothing to support it other than plagiarized materials, that are claimed to be the words of those you claim to be 'pseudo-characters and ECK Masters'

"the plagiarisms do not prove that ANY are pseudo-characters, youre trying to jump a fence that the plagiarisms wont allow you to cross by using them as your tool. regardless of the number of times you insist that apples are in fact oranges, they still wont ever become oranges, so without indisputable proof (which you do not have) it eventually becomes a chosen delusion. simple fact. two different things. unrelated other than the fact that Twitchell CLAIMED these Masters said the words. not illegal by any means. all of the incessant whining about man-made false histories gets tiresome since you are unable to prove your point."

Etznab: "Glasses not required."

Kinpa: "... unrelated other than the fact that Twitchell CLAIMED these Masters said the words. not illegal by any means. ... ."

Etznab: "Hmm ... Paul claimed that? And ... umm, what did you say that I claimed?"

Kinpa: "this is an area where you make a claim that has nothing to support it other than plagiarized materials, that are claimed to be the words of those you claim to be 'pseudo-characters and ECK Masters' "

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0LMM0SF7WjU

Etznab: "This [thread topic] was created by you, Kinpa?"

Kinpa: "Coffin, Pie Floater, or Blade Steak or Chuck Steak..."

Kinpa: "which shall it be for Christmas Eve dinner?? Happy Holidays everyone!!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0yZOjotIE3E

Etznab: Kinpa creates a thread called Eating dirt??? and then responds to himself about "I hope you got your fill."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/z4A6oWGyJCg

Kinpa: "It appears a certain stalker has become angry over something! And the great many threads posted about me in the last 36 hours proves it so LOL! Nothing is going down, other than the state of your health, but that is karmic. Regardless my life goes on the same as it ever did, but your own has gone through many changes in the last month or two...."

Etznab: "Again ... I see more statements as if you know so much about other people. And I also notice this has not been the first time. Why resort to such things like this when responding to others?"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/Dwp6MpfqtQQ

Etznab: "Not a whole lot of posts by Kinpa for months, but things changed on December and this where things appear to 'simmer over' between Sean and Kinpa."

"i am not nuts, nor do i need any psychotherapist...i have no paranoia nor delusions....it's a good thing you haven't told me to blow you however lol...i'll let you off easy this time, because i am a decent sort and i only come here for free entertainment which is never lacking at ARE....Guy Ballard made up the white brotherhood and ascended masters, Blavatsky's were quite living at the time she made them up. It's all well known history~!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/ehel3xT8puw

Etznab: "And what happens when Kinpa can't stand to hear other people's opinions that do not agree with his? I mean, What happens then and how does Kinpa respond? He suddenly reverts to potty mouth that gets nastier and nastier."

Kinpa: "you messed in your pants peetee LOL, ..."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY

Etznab: "Take a look at your words."

Kinpa: "all i have to do is take the 'stick' of my words and stir a little ANYWHERE, and you and Etznab throw a hissy fit EVERY time!"

Kinpa: "How was Walmart today?"

Etznab: "Question. Who is he writing to?"

Kinpa [to Sean]: "to you I would ask how was the liquor store last night?"

Etznab: "Question. What type of communication is Kinpa using? It does not look respectful, but what a troll or cyber bully would post."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/HsKxRPj8kVo

Kinpa: "do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"

Etznab: "Excuse me? An Eckankar Higher Initiate and clergy member wrote those words to me?"

Kinpa: "did you for some strange reason think that this was directed at you?"

Etznab: "Who was it directed at?"

Kinpa: "does that really make any difference? no one ever claimed it was directed at anyone did they? but it certainly got reactions just the same... "

Etznab: "So I addressed you about what you said. And how did you respond? You just went and continued with more of the same; which evidences a pattern and cruel intent on your part."

Kinpa: "excuse me richard? i am curious as to how exactly you heard my typed words? and am i to understand that you believe that you 'heard a tone' to my words that came from me? you must realize of course that the very idea is ridiculous, if you 'heard a tone' it was the tone of your own prejudice speaking to your ears and had not one thing to do with me.

"i must ask however, were you honest with the couple that hosted your party of friends last night? you DO realize that they know exactly who made that mess in the bathroom. both of you can rationalize all that you want to, but that will not change a thing. dont take my word for it, observe with your own eyes. you know what happens to you each week, as do i, and the same with your other friend here! how many months will it continue before you decide to see a doctor? what will you think if the prescription he gives you never works?"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs

Kinpa: "Actually I made remarks about you and your friends, and they DID actually happen when I claimed they would, however it is completely understandable that you will not admit that, and that is fine, it served it's purpose already....remote viewing does actually exist, it makes no difference if you or sean refuse to believe that possible, or if you call anyone crazy for it, that changes nothing in any way, I KNOW what I can do...it IS worth pointing out however, that when I say some such thing to you, and it then happens, that is not in any way a mind game, which is the usual rationalization used for any such occurrence...

Kinpa: "The fact that you KNOW I said it removes any possibility for it to affect you in any way to make it come true, conscious awareness of one playing any sort of mind game or subliminal pushing or messaging removes its ability to have ANY effect....and as far as an address, there is none. We all speak at my site, and if they are members of any other forums, I wouldn't know about that. It is not likely that either of you would be welcomed there so you might be better of to not try to apply the way sean constantly does....we always know who applies and what their intent actually is....whether or not that is some "awesome spiritual or psychic power" I wouldn't know, but it IS the case for my site. Like I said, if they WANT to speak to you, they already know where to find you...that is really the best I am able to do about that."

Etznab: "What you are communicating about here does not sound like Eckankar to me. Rather it sounds like black magic. Seriously, Kinpa, I'm not kidding and are not joking. In fact I am communicating to you what it sounds like to me what you have done. This is a record I responded to you on this matter."

Etznab: "By looking at me or anybody else you are doing nothing wrong?"

Kinpa: "... they also should be able to know the full truth about your own opinions of them, especially while you're insisting they do something about me using my own abilities....in case you were unaware, the eye literally cannot trespass, that is physical law, and it is included in spiritual law as well, so by looking at you, or anyone else, I am doing nothing wrong. By making observations about your friends that you do not like, that also is not illegal. "

Kinpa: "Your feedback does not necessarily have anything to do with reality, nor does it prove me of having done anything wrong. Go ahead then."

Etznab: "Does this make you an Eckankar Public Relations person operating in official capacity? I refer to the following admissions."

Kinpa: "You failed to prove that ANYONE there is acting as a font to recruit for Eckankar, however, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an individual writing blogs and posting them, and if others ask to learn more about Eckankar, they can. Nothing illegal or immoral or dishonest about ANY of it!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI

[Etznab]

71480-20150612

[Kinpa]

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 2:27:49 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> How many times has Kinpa make a prediction? or insulted other people (and / or their relatives and friends) publicly on this group in the past year, or so?
>
> The following quotes are not sorted perfectly yet, or in perfect context, however, the text can be searched for in the archives where the exact date and context will appear. I will sort it out when time permits, but for now it is important to show that these silly predictions and insults by Kinpa are personal, that he even denies then having done anything wrong, and continues to talk in circles.
>
> Begin quotes ...
>
> Kinpa: "its surprising how many people do not care in the least, at this point in time, about Paul Twitchell's plagiarisms, being that every spiritual path on the planet took from previous teachings and then propelled them into further development and evolution....great stuff!"
>
> Kinpa: "the fact remains that i have yet to personally speak to a single person that cares even slightly about plagiarisms,"

> ------------------------------------------------------------------
These are personal? Towards whom? These are factual actually...

> Etznab: Your not the Eckankar P.R. person are you?

>------------------------------------------------------
This looks to be your words...is there a point to this?

> Kinpa: "... the fact of the matter is, that plagiarism isnt actually a crime, therefore, no one can expect anyone to be liable for it at all....if one wants to speak on the terms of copyright infringement, that's fine, but DO, at the very least, call it what you actually mean by it, which happens to NOT be plagiarism at all...."

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
???

> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/A6-M2o6FDeM
>
> Kinpa: "It means that Paul Twitchell plagiarised, and that is ALL it means, unless you can prove that it means any other thing, which thus far you have been unable to do...It's a very simple matter..."
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/uIhQ3M-dM7U
>
> Etznab: "Kinpa has no problem with plagiarism. Why is that? Because it was supposedly done by a living master and projected onto fictional characters instead?"
>
> Kinpa: "... and i have no problem with it, but why on earth does everything revolve around this one thing? Eckankar simply does not owe anyone any explanation. Its very simple, if you believe as strongly as your words make you seem, simply leave Eckankar behind lol..."
>
> Etznab: "You are the Eckankar P.R. person sent to a.r.e. for damage control?"

>-----------------------------------------------------------
I do not, and have never, worked for Eckankar, so why on earth would you insist this?

> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/E4Cl1Zw056s
>
> Etznab: "And this was only the beginning of December 2014 when Kinpa responded to a single post with the following:"
>
> "is this load getting heavy yet?? it's amusing how often you claim the mental states of others are lacking, but your own is just fine, except it isn't at all that way is it? lol...look in the mirror bub ;) the truth of the matter is that God, by whatever name has NO religion, so this mental crutch you now use to support yourself isn't ever going top help you deal with the mental problems you've been struggling with for decades, and those are only getting worse if you haven't noticed....but such is delusion lol....have a nice day!"
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/czWAYcjIX7w

>---------------------------------------------------------------
You have a problem with that? Please tell us exactly why that is?

> Etznab: "I think this is another perfect example of your lying."

>----------------------------------------------
Everything you don't agree with is labelled as a lie by you...

> Kinpa: "Doug Marman is included in those, as if you didn't already KNOW! You have always been far too scared to address him directly at his own site with your accusations, despite the fact that you have made it obvious here that you stalk him and his site endlessly!"

>-------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely true, and provable as well....what of it?

> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/p6eh-sQSoiQ
>
> Etznab: "Someone posts. Kinpa comments. Poster says something like 'whatever'. Kinpa responds with the word headache. Example:
>
> "your own words make it very clear that you were! how is the headache? try some asprin.."
>
> Etznab: Crap, Oral sex, mental problems, Headaches? ... these things are what Kinpa leveles at another because to him it is fun? A.R.E. for him is endless entertainment?

> ---------------------------------------------------------
If they are false then why are you complaining about it? If none of these things happened, then why mention it? I see no law broken anywhere, nor any black magic, so what is your purpose? More threats that you will never follow through with? Like writing hate mail to Harold Klemp? Did you actually think that was going to intimidate me? EVERY religion on the planet gets hate mail, they throw it away! Big revelation I suppose?

> ***
>
> Etznab: "Look into this mirror about you and the type of language spouted at others here. Keep in mind the other shit, etc. before this point in time."
>
> Kinpa: "would you like to see bat shit crazy?? LOL look in the mirror in a week....on the toilet you go again! enjoy the gift! when you begin shitting blood, go see a doctor ;) of course i am well aware that you will never admit such a thing in public, but you know damned well what happened the last time....enjoy yourself! it is 12/07/2014 so it is 12/08/2014 where you are, and so it begins! SO much fun you are! thank you once again, never a dull moment with your ranting and raving!"

>--------------------------------------------------------------
And???

> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/tDgma7tfnH8
>
> Etznab: "Just pointing out an habitual statement."
>
> Kinpa: "... i have the right to continually hammer in that same nail, that plagiarisms prove ONLY plagiarism, they do not prove ANYTHING else! period! end of story!"
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10
>
> Kinpa: "Stop flattering yourself, you are not, and have never been a 'truth Master'.....you are a drunken piece of shit that lies around drunk all day pretending to be a tough guy on a COMPUTER! And why are you all taped up? What is that all about?
>
> Kinpa: "you will have a surprise sometime today Sean! enjoy that!"
>
> Kinpa: "magik? no, that stuff is for amateurs lol, i have no time for such regardless of the spelling. it must have been the wind after all! LOL"
>
> Etznab: "What do you mean by this? I saw you mention a belief that Paul wrote the books. So who are you referring to here?"
>
> Kinpa: "besides the fact that if i person SPEAKS the words of another's book out loud to another person, that is not plagiarism"
>
> Etznab: "The majority of people you are speaking for again?"
>
> "i've said it before, and i'll say it again, the majority simply do not care in the least, the people that you speak to regularly do, which is also fine, but you have never gone out into any group of people that you had previously had no contact with and asked them about it now have you?"
>
> Etznab: "I think this is one of the 'talking points' I referred to earlier."
>
> Kinpa: "Religion has existed in various forms for thousands of years, and sacred writings (to whichever religion) have always been used and or plagiarised by those reformers who eventually began a new religion, so in that context, plagiarism has always happened, and has never been considered a very big deal by anyone until the 70's at best. it is what it is, and it is not what it is not."

>-------------------------------------------------
Have any evidence of the growing numbers of people who have quit Eckankar? I wouldn't mind seeing that, care to show it?

> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/j_VXc5J8DpM
>
> Kinpa: "which still means nothing other than that PT plagiarized, it's very simple really, and still in no way addresses whether or not any ECK Masters are real or fictional, apples and oranges..."
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/H8dkCpno0to
>
> Etznab: "Kinpa commenting about other people's inner experiences. For the record."
>
> Kinpa: "and you are still quite behind as far as inner experience goes."
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/k02HSqxwyEg
>
> Etznab: "Apples and oranges again."
>
> Kinpa: "this is an area where you make a claim that has nothing to support it other than plagiarized materials, that are claimed to be the words of those you claim to be 'pseudo-characters and ECK Masters'
>
> "the plagiarisms do not prove that ANY are pseudo-characters, youre trying to jump a fence that the plagiarisms wont allow you to cross by using them as your tool. regardless of the number of times you insist that apples are in fact oranges, they still wont ever become oranges, so without indisputable proof (which you do not have) it eventually becomes a chosen delusion. simple fact. two different things. unrelated other than the fact that Twitchell CLAIMED these Masters said the words. not illegal by any means. all of the incessant whining about man-made false histories gets tiresome since you are unable to prove your point."
>
> Etznab: "Glasses not required."
>
> Kinpa: "... unrelated other than the fact that Twitchell CLAIMED these Masters said the words. not illegal by any means. ... ."
>
> Etznab: "Hmm ... Paul claimed that? And ... umm, what did you say that I claimed?"
>
> Kinpa: "this is an area where you make a claim that has nothing to support it other than plagiarized materials, that are claimed to be the words of those you claim to be 'pseudo-characters and ECK Masters' "
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0LMM0SF7WjU
>
> Etznab: "This [thread topic] was created by you, Kinpa?"
>
> Kinpa: "Coffin, Pie Floater, or Blade Steak or Chuck Steak..."
>
> Kinpa: "which shall it be for Christmas Eve dinner?? Happy Holidays everyone!!"
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0yZOjotIE3E

>--------------------------------------------------
What of it?????

> Etznab: Kinpa creates a thread called Eating dirt??? and then responds to himself about "I hope you got your fill."
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/z4A6oWGyJCg
>
> Kinpa: "It appears a certain stalker has become angry over something! And the great many threads posted about me in the last 36 hours proves it so LOL! Nothing is going down, other than the state of your health, but that is karmic. Regardless my life goes on the same as it ever did, but your own has gone through many changes in the last month or two...."
>
> Etznab: "Again ... I see more statements as if you know so much about other people. And I also notice this has not been the first time. Why resort to such things like this when responding to others?"

>------------------------------------------------
The majority aren't responses top others, they are new threads, pay attention!!!

> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/Dwp6MpfqtQQ
>
> Etznab: "Not a whole lot of posts by Kinpa for months, but things changed on December and this where things appear to 'simmer over' between Sean and Kinpa."

> -----------------------------------------------------------
Your point?

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None of that was said because I couldn't stand to hear anyone's opinion....every word was said for different reasons, one's I have never revealed to you....that happens on the internet you know...

[Henosis Sage]

"Watch out for that poltergeist! ;)"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/YyKz791cmfs/UG_iwN6ZiCsJ


Have another drink seanie-boy! I had a great laugh at your antics tonite!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/O8klFO3mlsA/-TsO3mz5_kEJ

Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0

however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4Z2kvUBEMFs/EYhYgJRxrPsJ


As I have repeated almost endlessly here in recent years, there ARE a great many who simply do NOT care about plagiarism! That must be an astounding revelation to you, being that you use it for your support mechanism, but the problem with that is that it just has no use in every circle of people. It appears to me to be a limitation that you are willingly hauling around with you. Being that only YOU made that choice, why do you so often insist that others value it as much as you do? That, if anything, seems like a defense mechanism, and one you seem unable to do without. You might consider freeing yourself from it, as well as the desire and inclination to convert all others to YOUR religion, that of Anti-ECKist. If anyone wants to join, I'm sure they would let you know.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4Z2kvUBEMFs/jbUcanbdRUMJ

why do YOU, continually INSIST, that others take YOUR evidence and reach YOUR opinions? Not able to stand on your two feet alone? Not able to leave another be with their opinion? Why does that bother you so much?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10/sfgYGeVFL9AJ


It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4Z2kvUBEMFs/EYhYgJRxrPsJ

When one talks trash, they can sometimes end up wearing it as well...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4Z2kvUBEMFs/KJK0i0MdjYoJ

, I care not one bit. You ARE free to NOT read what I write here, unless I am mistaken and you are a prisoner somewhere where your captors force you to read what I write at ARE. You tell me why you continue to do it.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0/XyELPTLyjXsJ

AND ................


Does a lack of conversations with Rebazar Tarzs prove he is not real? No, you cannot use a negative to prove a positive anymore than you can prove a negative...I'm not sure why certain people are unaware of this fact that is a definite part of the saying "You can't prove a negative."

The very same way, if we adopt your "logic" no shaman that has ever existed ever had any effect or did any good or served any actual purpose for the members of his tribe, why? Because his words are not in writing?

Once again you show a complete lack of the ability to think in even the least degree of logic, because you consistently judge life and others by your double standard, where anyone that you don't like is bad, but anything you do is not to be judged by the same standards as if you are exempt, but you are not! Wake up and smell the coffee! Or don't , it makes little difference to me, but you may as well know that it IS endlessly amusing to the public as they read this stuff, then to watch you endlessly claim that another is defaming you! You couldn't win a defamation lawsuit if your life depended on it!
But thank you SO much for the hilarity once again! RIGHT ON CUE, AGAIN! EVERY TIME!
Here is a video for you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVVEN3FrBVU

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/-a25Qbw0uAE/06dqAw_IWfYJ

[Henosis Sage]

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Bullshit! Twice today you faced the truth, and twice today it got the better of you! And if endless crap boithers you, the solution is quite simple, no one is making you answer anything, therefore, you are equally as guilty as anything you charge me of! Keep trying however, I AM amused that you both seem to think that insisting a thing repeatedly makes it a fact! Watch your mouth now richard, speak VERY carefully!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/p6eh-sQSoiQ/dGmOq0EiQR4J


Actually NO richie, sean IS a stalker, and he is so without common sense as to have posted much proof of this fact, proofs which I have been accumulating for quite some time....I look forward to the day when neither of you will be able to get away from it!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/p6eh-sQSoiQ/K1xaIijvL4kJ

Bring it then! You TALK an awful LOT, but you STILL have NOTHING~!!!! Dream on there buddy! I won't be losing ANY sleep over your empty threats...have another drink...
Also funny that you consistently make the same claim, but have never once proven that I am a liar....what are you so scared of???
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/p6eh-sQSoiQ/Gg-c7LeDM-gJ


As you MUST know by now, you have, on Yahoo, been accused of threatening rape...it makes absolutely NO difference whether or not charges were ever filed, nor that they went to court to reach a verdict, the fact remains that it will forever be a part of YOUR online persona, and serves as an example of the way you continually attempt to bully and victimize people that you don't like for whatever reason (usually being based in their having a difference of opinion from your own). You cannot play the saint as the evidence to the contrary concerning you is quite abundant, and don't bother trying to blame David Lane for not having done anything about it because the simple fact is, that YOU caused that all on your own and got slapped. This will go no differently for you, don't take my word for it, wait for yourself and see. I am happy to oblige...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/p6eh-sQSoiQ/TPciaDZb_ZQJ


Yes I have actually, remember the posts of yours that have been taken down? You were notified by them of that matter, however the thing is, that I have done NOTHING that they have a need of doing anything about! More empty threats from sean, who claims to be initiating a legal case and still does the very things himself that he accuses me of doing! HILARIOUS~! Neither google nor yahoo care one bit about 2 guys disagreeing on the internet, so get over yourself, you have NOTHING! However, as I said before, I'll let you know when they contact me, except that they won't...

Another completely empty threat, and there is no process other than your lying and excuse making, and your delusions of grandeur, another symptom of Munchausen's Syndrome....

Oh don't start with that effeminate homo-eroticism, I've told you, I don't swing that way little man...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/p6eh-sQSoiQ/hotFg0LtB_cJ


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[Henosis Sage]

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a quick review of a LIAR

Kinpa: "do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"

Etznab: "Excuse me? An Eckankar Higher Initiate and clergy member wrote those words to me?"

Kinpa: "did you for some strange reason think that this was directed at you?"

Etznab: "Who was it directed at?"

Kinpa: "does that really make any difference? no one ever claimed it was directed at anyone did they?

YES KINPA DID WHEN HE SAID CLEARLY:

To richard he said: "and do be sure not to drink too much tonite"
and
"your friends"
and
"you know that"

The whole thing was DIRECTED at Richard .. only a Liar who was also an idiot
and/or a delusional psychotic would even attempt to deny it.

Now watch .......... >



71480-20150612

[Etznab]

I insisted on asking the question, based on your writings and denials of the obvious.

[Etznab]

On Sunday, June 14, 2015 at 7:07:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

Idiot speak.

"If they are false then why are you complaining about it? If none of these things happened, then why mention it? I see no law broken anywhere, nor any black magic, so what is your purpose? More threats that you will never follow through with? Like writing hate mail to Harold Klemp? Did you actually think that was going to intimidate me? EVERY religion on the planet gets hate mail, they throw it away! Big revelation I suppose?"

Prove that I wrote hate mail.

Again you speak for others. It is a bad habit. Try learning to write with more respect.

[Etznab]

On Sunday, June 14, 2015 at 7:07:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

Dear Heavens!

[Etznab]

A judge would most likely see it that way too, imho.

[Kinpa]

Which others did I speak for? You and seanie? Based on your own words....I need not prove anything, you threatened me that you were writing to Harold Klemp...we BOTH know that you had never intended to, because you are a fence-rider....YOU ought to learn to NOT threaten people that you CANNOT act against!If you said it then follow through and WRITE it! Should you write it it WILL be considered hate-mail, you following the concept? If not then you need a degree of help that no one here can provide you. Your words were seen, and I have no need to prove anything to you, nor do I have any responsibility to do so...NEITHER of you own this place, nor are you Google admins, so get OVER yourselves already...or continue crying that river full....you have a LOT of nerve (BOTH of you) to criticize what you see as being my habits, all the while paying no attention to your own....I am not employed by Eckankar, and I cannot be punished by them either. I would certainly state the very same things in the very same words in Harold Klemp's presence, so take your empty threats and shove them sideways where the sun don't shine! DO YOU UNDERSTAND? LOL

Would you like to know your futures? Let me know...

[Kinpa]

No, no judge would, but both of your commentaries show how inexperienced you both are with the law and the way it works..."telling prophecies" or even claiming to, is in no way illegal, and neither is "insulting" anyone...no one can or will be arrested on those claims, nor will any judge convict on them. Welcome to the REAL world boys...Let me know when you are prepared to deal with it in its reality as opposed to the fantasy land you both dawdle in, full of unicorns and rainbows as you hold each other's hands and smooch each other's posteriors...Nice try however, I suppose...

[Henosis Sage]

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MORE IDIOT SPEAK

[Henosis Sage]

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AND EVEN MORE IDIOT SPEAK ... And a Defamation Case judge would most likely

see it that way too, imho.

The EVIDENCE can speak for itself .. doesn't need an idiot to try to deny it,
or manipulate it, or LIE about it and himself repeatedly.

[Etznab]

Sharing your hateful, sick and twisted speech is what I would send if I choose to mail something, or call. And if you call it hate speech then call it your own hate speech. The very speech you are in denial about and try to justify with your imagination.

[Kinpa]

All talk and NO action? Plus name-calling? That shows that you have nothing!

[Kinpa]

Not at all! It IS comical that you assume that however! BOTH of you are extremely in denial! That is the hilarious part about this! Write you letter then, I have no problem with it. I spoke true when I said that I'd repeat every word in front of any authority figure, whether a judge or the ECK org.

The two of you very much over-estimate your positions. It is fine for YOU to harass and insult people, but the second anyone gives you a taste of your own medicine, you start whining and crying! HILARIOUS!

[Henosis Sage]

Which others did I speak for? You and seanie? Based on your own words....I need not prove anything, you threatened me that you were writing to Harold Klemp...we BOTH know that you had never intended to, because you are a fence-rider....YOU ought to learn to NOT threaten people that you CANNOT act against!If you said it then follow through and WRITE it! Should you write it it WILL be considered hate-mail, you following the concept? If not then you need a degree of help that no one here can provide you. Your words were seen, and I have no need to prove anything to you, nor do I have any responsibility to do so...NEITHER of you own this place, nor are you Google admins, so get OVER yourselves already...or continue crying that river full....you have a LOT of nerve (BOTH of you) to criticize what you see as being my habits, all the while paying no attention to your own....I am not employed by Eckankar, and I cannot be punished by them either. I would certainly state the very same things in the very same words in Harold Klemp's presence, so take your empty threats and shove them sideways where the sun don't shine! DO YOU UNDERSTAND? LOL

Would you like to know your futures? Let me know...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/_bDh_TRH94I/jfAEmpNvRPoJ

No, no judge would, but both of your commentaries show how inexperienced you both are with the law and the way it works..."telling prophecies" or even claiming to, is in no way illegal, and neither is "insulting" anyone...no one can or will be arrested on those claims, nor will any judge convict on them. Welcome to the REAL world boys...Let me know when you are prepared to deal with it in its reality as opposed to the fantasy land you both dawdle in, full of unicorns and rainbows as you hold each other's hands and smooch each other's posteriors...Nice try however, I suppose...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/_bDh_TRH94I/EslMFvDrDyUJ

All talk and NO action? Plus name-calling? That shows that you have nothing!

Not at all! It IS comical that you assume that however! BOTH of you are extremely in denial! That is the hilarious part about this! Write you letter then, I have no problem with it. I spoke true when I said that I'd repeat every word in front of any authority figure, whether a judge or the ECK org.

The two of you very much over-estimate your positions. It is fine for YOU to harass and insult people, but the second anyone gives you a taste of your own medicine, you start whining and crying! HILARIOUS!

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/_bDh_TRH94I/LXU5gPG5uLQJ

Name calling again? LMAO!

Actually you are wrong as there is NO set of laws that apply to the entire world in the same form! Besides which you cannot prove what you claim nor can you afford an attorney, but it IS hilarious to see this proof that you DO in fact stalk me online! LMAO! HYPOCRITE~!!!

And no, I will never go anywhere else, as this IS an Eckankar group LOL. Are you unable to see how wrong you are? Why don't you MAKE me leave then? Oh yes, that's because you can't....but thank you for showing the word your standard operating procedure!

One of the persons on that list happens to be a police officer that is always up to date on laws concerning the internet...perhaps you ought to ask HIM about the laws you are claiming I should run from you in fear of LOL! It's not going to work, your bluff has been called yet again! Enjoy that seanie
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Uf3ckGJvdVY/bJI-4wGgW_AJ

It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4Z2kvUBEMFs/EYhYgJRxrPsJ

No Richard, but it DOES seem that YOU are feeling defensive about it, is that merely because I just don't agree with you? That is entirely my own choice, you might consider learning to let things go, you have absolutely NO say over what another perceives, or his opinion of it. Get used to that, it won't ever change. And once again do not falsely accuse me of defensiveness, there was never a defense needed on my part, therefore I would never so much as attempt to make one, there is just NO need for it.

That simply is not it however. But I allow you the right to perceive it that way if you choose to, however, that only relates to you and your perceptions, it does not make it accurate or true, it is simply your opinion. I didn't in any way try to force any opinion of mine on you, I merely stated that my opinion has every right to exist just as your own does. You do not have to agree, but mine won't be going away either. That's just how life works.

How could I not be aware of that Richard? You seem to be going to extremes once again to force YOUR opinion down my throat! However, I have already given you leave to have your opinion, so you need not feel threatened. My opinion is here with us in the room too, get used to that, I am.

Now see? Here you go yet again trying to do exactly what you accuse me of doing! I have no habit of making things up, in fact, if anything, the things I say are proven true more times than not. You are welcomed to having your own opinion about the matter however, but DO realize, that my opinion will not change to meet yours just because you demand it should.

Who are you to speak of them? Now you are "talking out of school," a bad habit. Let those individuals speak for themselves, because all that you have to offer is merely your opinion of what happened to them. Do you see the pattern yet? The denial isn't following anyone else around, it is following YOU! Why? Because it belongs to YOU! Good luck in finding a solution for that problem Richard.

As I have repeated almost endlessly here in recent years, there ARE a great many who simply do NOT care about plagiarism! That must be an astounding revelation to you, being that you use it for your support mechanism, but the problem with that is that it just has no use in every circle of people. It appears to me to be a limitation that you are willingly hauling around with you. Being that only YOU made that choice, why do you so often insist that others value it as much as you do? That, if anything, seems like a defense mechanism, and one you seem unable to do without. You might consider freeing yourself from it, as well as the desire and inclination to convert all others to YOUR religion, that of Anti-ECKist. If anyone wants to join, I'm sure they would let you know.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4Z2kvUBEMFs/jbUcanbdRUMJ

When one talks trash, they can sometimes end up wearing it as well...

Except that here, it has not been, except for basically between three people, with a few differences when I or one of the other VERY few ECKists comes along to throw 2 cents in. When one looks back, one very much sees, in the place where you see people running in denial, you and yours gloating in it, somehow thinking that a better place to be. Well do you feel as if you've proven something to anyone? You're still here, exchanging comments with seanie, except for when I'm away and he gets bored with you agreeing with him all the time, then he tends to treat you like shit the way he treats everyone else.

If you haven't noticed that, try paying attention. I know you HAVE seen it at points in the past, but, will you ever again? How freely do you REALLY think? That's a rhetorical question btw, the answer matters not to me, but should you ask it, you might pay attention to the way you answer it.

I have never so much as attempted to. Why would I? It is not my concern what is proven to you or anyone else, I am only concerned with what is proven to me. As for what both of you have come up with, it is understandable how you make that long leap of logic, however, that does not excuse that it is a mistake. The so called evidence simply does NOT prove that he does not exist. It merely proves that Paul Twitchell plagiarized. Rebazar's existence is completely independent of that. The two of you CHOOSE to ignore THAT fact, and thereby make that long and unsupported by evidence, jump of logic. That is your business. Do not be surprised when other choose not to follow you. Some prefer actual direct evidence. I am one of those. End of story. What you choose to do with your own mind is your own business, however, you incessantly attempt to convert people.

You have never proven that I ever attempted to convert anyone to Eckankar, this is just another empty claim you make daily. Karma shall introduce itself to you however, wait and see. All of the false accusations you have made will be things that enter your life, wait, watch and see...then come back and deny it ever happened!

I have never told you that I expected anyone to do anything. That is pure assumption, and I notice you assume the one that makes you correct. That is a noticeable bias, and is evidence that you are actually in denial, otherwise what I say would not bring these types of responses...but continue denying it all the same. I don't mind!

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4Z2kvUBEMFs/qjjP9vPtLWMJ

What I notice is that you continue this...why would you ever expect them to be the same as when Paul Twitchell was alive? The very idea is utterly ridiculous and appears as a desperate attempt to discredit the teachings, since you have decided that they are worthless to you. For any teaching to be a living one, it MUST develop, and in case you didn't know, that means change.

However I must comment that you stop insisting on giving me all of this credit. Your own shortsightedness causes you to see things in this way, but the idea of an incompetent fool also being a manipulator is quite the contradiction. I guess you weren't smart enough to realize that when you wrote it.

You sound as if you are in great need for people to care about what you say to them. Are you THAT much of a co-dependent? As far as hearing this and that from various religions, many don't have the problem with that that you do, they realize that God has NO religion. You can certainly bicker about what was written by whom, when and where to your heart's content, however, you do not get to expect that everyone will join you.

I speak with a number of Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims and Christians, none of whom consider these things to be as important as the both of you do. Some will undoubtedly join you, but many will not, it is what it is. I see no problem with it, but the two of you seem to have a great need to call names to people that choose to not see things the same way as you do. That alone demonstrates how little you know or understand about the very basics of spirituality. But do as you will, I am not the boss of you, I care not.

What you consider to be reckless behavior, is actually in the USA, a right. That fact alone proves you entirely wrong and that you also have absolutely NO right to condone or not condone. That is an incredible hubris that statement reflects, thinking that you are able to judge things in such an absolute manner. A person has to ALLOW you to condone or not condone, and ANY time you do that without being asked, is a day that you earn karma that is not of the favorable variety, but it IS your life, live it the way you want to.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/3Lava49Rn04/Zp-TSuvJT7EJ

You did actually specify the people that I know and that I had claimed not only read things here, but do not care about the plagiarisms....now you are trading this other time for the one in question, however I know full well that you remember doing so just as you know what I am talking about....

You demanded that I prove such persons exist by inviting them here to talk with you, just not on this particular thread...you have made such comments nearly every time I mentioned that any such group of people exist, and yes, I AM speaking for them at present, in case you wondered...I have heard a great number of comments about both of you in the last few days as well as the comments posted here, and they remain as I have always claimed...they simply do not wish to speak to either of you...

They have the freedom to make that choice and I cannot try to push them in any other direction, nor would I, just as I have never tried to insist that youi should agree with me....

Everyone can come to the conclusion they want to, however, no one has any right to insist that another adopt THEIR point of view, I expect that out of basic common sense, and have never claimed otherwise...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QozRuC2pako/IfMPQqYSfJMJ

I'm not trying to escape anything, but are you? You deleted your posts after all, not I. Can't admit that I was wrong? Are you serious? Did the fact escape you that I was referring to the context you had been carrying on for a couple of days, then deleted it all....you have also insisted that I provide you with proof...are you unable to admit this double standard you use? I had thought my explanation made it fairly clear that I had the context wrong, or were you unable to follow that? And now with the misdirection to go further in circles....every single thing you both accuse me of, you then go and do the exact same thing....

Not even remotely, but you go right on ahead and BELIEVE whatever you wish, just don't waste the public's time by insisting it is anything other than your chosen BELIEF! I stand by what I've said, you get no choice in that matter, and you do NOT own the group, so I recommend that you get used to it!

That is a fine example, however, it is not the one that I have been seeing so often around here recently, some completely delete posts that they make because they realize later on that it does not make them look very good to the public...those posts disappear forever onward, unless one has kept screenshots of them to be able prove they existed at all.

Not at all...as I have stated repeatedly, I have the screenshots of the deleted posts. There was never a corrected version posted, just the deleted posts, that if I were concerned to, I COULD prove....having those proves your comments here as false.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QozRuC2pako/i6if2XJuy_sJ


No it isn't and now YOU are a liar for having stated that as if it were a fact, when it is only your own OPINION! There is a HUGE difference between the two, you might consider becoming better acquainted with each so that you can discern the difference, I mean, IF you are actually concerned at all with the REAL Truth!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVi8npe1TFs

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/YyKz791cmfs/UG_iwN6ZiCsJ


And that goes right back the other way also, what one considers to be evidence is not necessarily so....If you were a lawyer, what you consider an obvious piece of evidence would be very different than what your layman's mind thinks it is now....these evidences would absolutely NOT hold up in court to prove that any entity does NOT exist because the words reported in a book were provably plagiarized. One simply does not EVER equal the other. They are two entirely different matters and points, and the proof of one does not in any way address the other.

So, what is one man's illusion is not necessarily for the other man. Those are mere opinions. But the evidence you have presented does not in any way prove that no 500 year old Tibetan Lama is fictional. It only proves that the words that Twitchell claimed were spoken by him were not. It doesn't get any simpler than that. So, to claim that anyone who doesn't accept that as proving what YOU claim it does, does not prove that anyone is under any illusion, but it MIGHT suggest that you ARE under one of your own creation...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/yHEsdgsZqS4/zX0P1fxyaUAJ

The point you miss is that NONE of that proves that no such person exists! That is the conclusion YOU draw, and that without ANY direct evidence linking the two unrelated matters. It does NOT actually, GET ANY simpler than THAT! But you have every right, that is your own, however, when you insult ANYONE for not agreeing with what you claim that evidence proves, you show VERY clearly that YOU have a delusion problem....go speak to a professional about that and stop dirtying the space here with your tripe..

Actually it DOES...it makes NO difference what one considers a lie, in every case there will be those who disagree, and they are not in any mental conditions simply because YOU cannot stand for such to exist, yet you pretend that you have that right. You are just as much of a liar. You have no proof that Twitchell or Klemp lied to you or anyone, you merely CHOOSE to see it that way. Others do not. Get over it!

Again with the hubris? You believe yourself to be so much better than others based on that? LMAO! Hypocrite once again! Need proof of that? Read it right here! https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/T7waXtBo1mQ

That is your opinion, but there are many things you refuse to admit! Not even remotely surprising however, you have demonstrated VERY clearly this patter on the web before now. Perhaps you need to apply the diagnoses that follow to yourself for a change!

Those were seanie's defense mechanisms because he does not like what I am telling him! Talk about a delusional disorder...LOL
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/yHEsdgsZqS4/mVxQQfLei7MJ

Which others did I speak for? You and seanie? Based on your own words....I need not prove anything, you threatened me that you were writing to Harold Klemp...we BOTH know that you had never intended to, because you are a fence-rider....YOU ought to learn to NOT threaten people that you CANNOT act against!If you said it then follow through and WRITE it! Should you write it it WILL be considered hate-mail, you following the concept? If not then you need a degree of help that no one here can provide you. Your words were seen, and I have no need to prove anything to you, nor do I have any responsibility to do so...NEITHER of you own this place, nor are you Google admins, so get OVER yourselves already...or continue crying that river full....you have a LOT of nerve (BOTH of you) to criticize what you see as being my habits, all the while paying no attention to your own....I am not employed by Eckankar, and I cannot be punished by them either. I would certainly state the very same things in the very same words in Harold Klemp's presence, so take your empty threats and shove them sideways where the sun don't shine! DO YOU UNDERSTAND? LOL

Would you like to know your futures? Let me know...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/_bDh_TRH94I/jfAEmpNvRPoJ

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and https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10/9AuyK5g5g6wJ

why do YOU, continually INSIST, that others take YOUR evidence and reach YOUR opinions? Not able to stand on your two feet alone? Not able to leave another be with their opinion? Why does that bother you so much?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10/sfgYGeVFL9AJ

That is only YOUR opinion, however a great many intelligent adults differ from that opinion, so thank you for the press work here! I couldn't have done better if I had payed for it!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10/uuAo0t9lUlwJ

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Kinpa again trying to speak for others.

"This from a man who has never met a single Master in his entire life.."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10/4fjqgqVG_NkJ

THE KNOW IT ALL ARSEHOLE FROM SHITSVILLE MICHIGAN USA

[Henosis Sage]

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a quick review of a LIAR


Kinpa: "do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"

Etznab: "Excuse me? An Eckankar Higher Initiate and clergy member wrote those words to me?"

Kinpa: "did you for some strange reason think that this was directed at you?"

Etznab: "Who was it directed at?"

Kinpa: "does that really make any difference? no one ever claimed it was directed at anyone did they?

YES KINPA DID WHEN HE SAID CLEARLY:

To richard he said: "and do be sure not to drink too much tonite"
and
"your friends"
and
"you know that"

The whole thing was DIRECTED at Richard .. only a Liar who was also an idiot
and/or a delusional psychotic would even attempt to deny it.

Now watch .......... >

MADDIE'S MAD RESPONSE GOES LIKE THIS

"No, no judge would, but both of your commentaries show how inexperienced
you both are with the law and the way it works..."telling prophecies" or
even claiming to, is in no way illegal, and neither is "insulting" anyone...

no one can or will be arrested on those claims, nor will any judge convict
on them.

Welcome to the REAL world boys...

Let me know when you are prepared to deal with it in its reality as opposed
to the fantasy land you both dawdle in, full of unicorns and rainbows as you
hold each other's hands and smooch each other's posteriors...

Nice try however, I suppose... "

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/_bDh_TRH94I/EslMFvDrDyUJ

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[Kinpa]

> Everyone...

Having a problem with that?

[Kinpa]

Still waiting for you to notify ANY legal agency, and you have not, never actually even considered it...just more of seanie's attempted internet bullying, which has failed outright once again...let ALL bear witness to this fact!

[Kinpa]

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 9:06:46 PM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> > > You did actually specify the people that I know and that I had claimed not only read things here, but do not care about the plagiarisms....now you are trading this other time for the one in question, however I know full well that you remember doing so jus...
> --
>
> INSANE
>
> SPEAKING FOR OTHERS AND DENYING IT

>
> "I speak with a number of Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims and Christians, none
> of whom consider these things to be as important as the both of you do."
>

> BUT HE CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING HE SAYS;
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I owe you no proof, deal with it!





> AND HAS PROVEN NOTHING EXCEPT HE IS INSANE AND A DISRESPECTFUL LOWLIFE PRICK
> ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING A RABID INTOLERANT BIGOTED RELIGIOUS TERRORIST
> WILLING TO HARM ANYONE (HIS INSANE DELUSIONS TELL HIM) STANDS IN HIS WAY
>
> WHAT A SICK PHUCK
>---------------------------------------------------
Your opinion has been noted and logged

> A FRIEND OF YOUR'S LONI HAAS OF THE LIGHT FORCE NETWORK?
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She has nothing to do with you or this here.....

> A FRIEND OF YOURS HAROLD KLEMP AND PETER SKELSKEY?
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Nor do they

> A FRIEND OF YOURS AND ANOTHER FOLLOWER OF YOUR LIES DOUG MARMAN?
>
> THIS IS WHAT COMES FROM PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE WHAT OTHERS LIKE KLEMP, TWITCHELL AND MARMAN WRITE AND THEN SELL FOR PROFIT TO THE UNSTABLE AND SPIRITUALLY INEPT.
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Your opinion has been noted, but who is selling anything?

[Kinpa]

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 10:34:30 PM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> ---------
>
> INSANE

You should get that checked out...

[Etznab]

Telling prophecies is what you call them?

And the public statements that were lies? Repeated?

I don't agree with you. Precisely because you were called on many things and then expressed a "don't care" attitude as if that's just the way the cookie crumbles. It is thus a clearly demonstrated pattern of behavior on your part.

[Etznab]

On Sunday, June 14, 2015 at 7:07:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

"This looks to be your words...is there a point to this? ..."

Yes. Kinpa. There is a point to this.

[Etznab]

Etznab was asking.

[Henosis Sage]

RE Kinpa:

"I do not, and have never, worked for Eckankar, so why on earth would you insist this? "

RE: "Etznab was asking."

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But Kinpa he's not saying a word in June 2015 or now ... maybe he's
re-discovered the Law of Silence?

Nah don't count on that. LOL


As I have mentioned once or twice, I am pretty sure he is "dyslexic" Etznab.

He simply cannot read or it's him intentional MISREPRESENTING what others
have in fact and meant.

Whatever it is, BOTH options are serious issue for him to control.