Quoc Quy Hoang 1997/01/12

[Peetee Aitchei]

Rationalizing Apologist Naive Gullible Faithful Loyal Dedicated 4th Initiate Quoc

I agreed. My daily inner experiences with the light and sound for more than
16 years as a member of ECKANKAR confirmed that the core teaching is on the
right track at least for myself. It is the reason why I have stayed with
ECKANKAR when others criticised the outer organisation, its leader
personality and books with all sorts of logic and evidence.

Even Paul and Harold taught that the foundation of ECKANKAR is the light
and sound, not the organisation or its leader and books. I myself only
trust in divine spirit and God because all else (such as books, personality
and organisation made of personalities) are fallible.

I saw the signs of improvement within the outer ECKANKAR organisation. The
process is slow but more desirable to void many side effects of quick
changes. As far as I am concerned, no organisation will ever be perfect and
there is always one more step to improve.

May be those who placed so much importance on the concept of plagiarism
need to ask themselves questions such as:

1) Where is the ultimate source of truth ? (human author or God ?)
2) If God is the source of truth then why was God not acknowledged by
author ?
3) If truth exists independent of authors who only perceive what already
exists, then who can stop others from perceiving the same truth ?
4) Will truth be less when one perceives it after others have discovered ?
5) Should a discoverer of truth be allowed to express it in terms of
existing known ideas and language to facilitate communication ?
6) If plagiarism relates to copyright or possession then can truth be
copyrighted or possessed by any human ?
7) Does God care about concepts (copyright & plagiarism) invented by human
?
8) Can human laws be applied to spiritual truth or God ?
9) How big is a book if acknowlegement of ALL sources is required ? (even
each word in the language and concept we use are hardly our own)

Quoc Quy Hoang

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/rXkoXQseL6w/73LsWgZeHhkJ

[Henosis Sage]

Rationalizing ECKANKAR Apologist:
Naive Gullible Genuine Faithful Loyal Totally Dedicated 4th Initiate Quoc

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SEE: original thread
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/rXkoXQseL6w/73LsWgZeHhkJ

Protection Failure from the MAHANTA in ECKANKAR
(by Quoc Quy Hoang on 3/1/2005, Internet Search Code: QQH891955-1)
6th Initiate SYDNEY Australia
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/CRCwR2NcAyA/Jql7z2tiVwIJ

Quoc Quy Hoang by Easter 2005 - OSTRACIZED ABANDONED Losing his Mind in Sydney Australia

A DEAD QUOC ........ Please don't end up like Quoc - ECKANKAR is not worth it!

[Henosis Sage]

Review Written by Quoc Quy Hoang (Sydney, NSW Australia)

This book will change your life when understood and applied, July 9, 2001

This review is from: On the Breath of the Gods (Paperback) by Ariel Tomioka

Being a spiritual student of ECKANKAR, I felt as if this book was written by a
fellow student of my spiritual path. The book contains the same description for
the Tibetan ECK master, the same concepts of Soul Travel, the light and sound
of Holy Spirit, the male and female energy currents, and numerous other
spiritual principles.

Although the author wrote this book as a novel, it has more facts than fiction.
I had numerous similar spiritual experiences. Since ECKANKAR teachings have
changed my life, I have no doubt that this book can change yours if you read it
with an open mind. I certainly recommend this book.

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What happened between 2001 and 2004?

[Henosis Sage]

On Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:13:28 UTC+11, Henosis Sage wrote:

QUOTING COMMUNICATION FROM
Coroner's Court
44 - 46 Parramatta Rd
Glebe NSW 2037

From: local_court_glebe AT agd.nsw.gov.au

There is a Quy Quoc HOANG that was reported to the Coroner in 2005.
This matter was 'Dispensed With' and no Inquest was held.

Kind regards,
Ernie Harrington
State Coroners Court of NSW

Department of Justice - Promoting a Just and Safe Society.

Visit us at www.justice.nsw.gov.au.

[Henosis Sage]

I'll remind people that I mentioned this years ago.

If you wish to believe he is the only one in Eckankar ever to go this route,
then you are a really gullible fool.

Quoc Quy Hoang by Easter 2005 had been OSTRACIZED ABANDONED by his 30 year
ECKANKAR FAMILY (he was single with no relatives in Australia) when he was

Losing his Mind in Sydney Australia

He was a A DEAD QUOC

Please don't end up like Quoc

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QUOTING COMMUNICATION FROM
Coroner's Court
44 - 46 Parramatta Rd
Glebe NSW 2037

From: local_court_glebe AT agd.nsw.gov.au

There is a Quy Quoc HOANG that was reported to the Coroner in 2005.
This matter was 'Dispensed With' and no Inquest was held.

Kind regards,
Ernie Harrington
State Coroners Court of NSW

Department of Justice - Promoting a Just and Safe Society.

GO READ HIS DEATH CERTIFICATE if you still don't get the connection.

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So yeah, please do NOT end up like Quoc, and please do not end up like the
leadership of Eckankar in Sydney, NSW, Australia the Central Australia
Satsang Society either.

ECKANKAR Australia contact details.
- ECKANKAR Australia (A.B.N. 24. 054 115 589)
- Email: eckankar AT hotkey DOT net DOT au
- Enquiries and free information packs. (03) 9532 0523

E.A.L has 4 affiliate societies each serves a region in Australia.

These are:
For A.C.T and New South Wales
ECKANKAR Society of Central Australia (A.B.N. 99 058 053 704)
email: eckankar AT mac DOT com

Postal address:
ECKANKAR Society of Central Australia
GPO Box 3060
SYDNEY NSW 2001

http://eckankar.org.au/EA/content/contact-us

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Please also KNOW THIS:

ECKANKAR Corporation is wholly owned by "The Living ECK Master and Successors
Corporation Sole" Registered as a non-profit corporation with only one member
- Harold Klemp - meaning he personally owns every single asset of Eckankar,
not the members in Trusteeship, and not the Board who he can dismiss at any
time he wishes as if an all powerful Medieval King.

Plus what makes this very different (as proven by the Darwin Gross affair that
was intrinsically unfair and unjust and unethical and immoral and UNTRUE); is
that Klemp is also legally separated from the NORMAL powers of the State and
national Laws but especially separated / legally removed from from any and all
accountability for the behavior and actions of everyone connected to Eckankar
or employed by it..

Therefore I simply say to all, don;t end up like Quoc or end up like so many
High Initiates and the Trustees and Directors of Chartered Satsang Societies
of Eckankar everywhere, for THEY are is not worth it either!

YET WHY would anyone believe me given Matthew M Sharpe has falsely accused me
of being a Criminal with a Criminal Record (when I am not), of being engaged in
criminal activities (when I am not and never have been; when in fact I am on
multiple times done the very opposite), and then Matthew trawls the internet
to try to find something "real" against me and then falsely accuses me of Rape
and threatening to rape someone when that too is not true.

This is where 30 years being a Member of ECKANKAR can get you or anyone. Being
s low-life scumbag like Kinpa who will say and do ANYTHING against anyone to
protect his own insane beliefs; or end up like a Dead Quoc who when finally
forced to confront the lies and myths he had believed for 30 years goes
completely over the deep end into mental TORTURE only to be ridiculed,
ostracised, then totally abandoned by the only family he had in Australia
because what was #1 Critically Important to all of them was PROTECTING THEIR
PRECIOUS BELIEFS BY COVERING UP WHAT HAPPENED TO PROTECT ECKANKAR INCORPORATED.

That's pretty sick, and so is Harold Klemp, and listening to his original
Easter 2012 seminar talk after he got out of hospital should be enough - and
yet, no for thousands it still isn't enough evidence that the man totally lost
the plot years ago; and has been intentionally lying to every Eckist about what
he knew since late 1983 to this day.

When Harold spoke about Twitchell and the need to deal with the process of
"grief", he wasn't speaking about the Eckists who there in 1984, he was
speaking about his own self - discovering that his beliefs in some one called
the Mahanta, the living ECK master was a complete fabrication - it was HAROLD
LOSING THE PLOT big time over the Shock of finding what he found.

Then dealing with HIS GRIEF that came from being CONFRONTED with the hard Facts
the REAL evidence which proved beyond all reasonable doubt that KLEMP wasn't
any special eck master or mahanta dude - it was spelled out plain as day in
Twitchell's own personal papers, documents, personal letters and his history
PLUS all the original manuscripts.

One's like The Tiger's Fang that had Kirpal Singh all through it and NO Rebazar
Tarzs and no "eck master" anywhere to be seen. Pure Radhasoami & Ruhani Satsang
but a FICTIONALIZED account of it by a highly skilled advertising script writer
and unsuccessful Pulp Fiction Author and long term Scientology STAFF Member and
lifelong sterile misogynist and womanizer aged about 50 years old.

So don;t feel sorry for poor old Klemp's health issues; as most of it is
connected with living with the GUILT of knowing what he knows - from LIVING LIE
- and rationalizing it away to assuage his own COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

SEE: http://www.uncommon-knowledge.co.uk/articles/stop-lying.html

One of Harold Klemp's personal issues, besides his diagnosis of schizophrenia
in 1970 after jumping off a bridge into ice water and stripping off in an
airport believing he as the 2nd coming of Jesus .... before being locked up for
"treatment and observation" in a mental facility. The guy has some really
serious paranoia issues and more, such as Schitzotypal:

Schizotypal personality disorder is characterized by an ongoing pattern in
which the affected person distances him- or herself from social and
interpersonal relationships.

Affected people typically have an acute discomfort when put in circumstances
where they must relate to others. These individuals are also prone to cognitive
and perceptual distortions and a display a variety of eccentric behaviors that
others often find confusing.
http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Schizotypal-personality-disorder.html and
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/schizotypal-personality-disorder-symptoms

Now none of that is a personal "criticism" per se; and definitely not a put
down; because people with serious mental health issues and personality
disorders are typically VICTIMS themselves; and deserve support and appropriate
treatment.

But they also should NOT be solely in charge of any International Corporation
or a Religion or a spiritual path either, if they are fundamentally and
cognitively compromised and/or incapable of carrying out their duties with
integrity and competence and according to the norms of society and the Law.

To know Klemp, and to know his history, and to know what went down over Darwin
Gross after Klemp got his 9th outer Initiation to become the living eck master
IN TRAINING under GROSS, is to know the effects and manifestations of
Schizotypal personality disorder as clear as day. It gets worse with age when
untreated. Klemp had is 73rd birthday in January 2015.

Personally I highly recommend have a skim and read and search through all the
material on the TWITCHELL ECKANKAR HISTORY ARCHIVE -- I believe you might even
notice several Eckankar Trustees and Head Office staff not telling the Truth
under oath; and much more.

This is where Matthew M Sharpe (Kinpa) pipes up with his YOU GOT NO PROOF BS.

Oh well, shit happens. On could always do the 15x exercise I suggested, go
skim the PT History Archive as you do that as well, and save a lot of time and
energy in the process.

Life is just one long series of Choices and Turning Points.

Now ain't THAT the truth!

[Kinpa]

I have everything in that PTHA already, and have for quite some time, and i use it as i see fit being that you own NO copyrights on ANY of it. However, as for this fellow you're on about, stop trying to parade his corpse around to make a point you silly amateur. You act in the MOST ridiculous manner and yet still believe your self-delusions....oh well, we, the audience, still find everything you claim and pretend to prove to be nothing but comedy, furthered by the fact that you believe you have anything with it! Now off with you, you're dismissed!

[Kinpa]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:41:45 PM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

This article is for you sean...notice where it says "accused" not convicted...oh, and have a nice day too! Hear any rumbles lately?

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/03/06/accused-rapist-dragged-from-prison-and-killed-by-indian-mob/21150533/

[Henosis Sage]

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RE "I have everything in that PTHA already"


TRUTH: No you don't.

RE: "... that you own NO copyrights on ANY of it."

TRUTH: Yes I do. And they will be asserted in Full by International Copyright
Law. You have no permission an will receive no permission from me to use any
material covered by MY Copyrights over Original materials, with the exception
of Fair Use.

RE: "This article is for you sean...notice where it says "accused" not

convicted...oh, and have a nice day too! Hear any rumbles lately?"

TRUTH: Proof positive what a sick psychotic deranged evil unspiritual narcissistic scumbag you are Matthew M Sharpe. Saved for legal actions and
other uses. Thanks. You're psychiatrist (do they even exist?) is just like
you are, an IDIOT. (shrug)

[Kinpa]

No sean, you own NONE of that material as it was ALL previously copyrighted....photographing published materials and claiming copyright is NOT an actual copyright, AND it is thoroughly illegal, therefore, i WILL use all of it as I see fit, and you can do NOTHING! Let's see the registered copyrights sean, have any?? NO YOU DO NOT! Story over! You own NOTHING as far as a copyright, and what you CLAIM to own is NOT recognized by international law, nor by any actual government on the face of the earth! DEAL with it! YOU chose to buy those magazines and books at your own expense, and then YOU chose to photograph them and post them on the internet, you can NOT own any of them as the copyrights were not available to you, you merely took photos of previously copyrighted materials, that the owners of those rights own to this very day! PERIOD!

Save for legal actions, i look forward to that...see you in court sean! And the Psychiatrist IS an actual professional, and her diagnosis of you is correct and accurate, she also mentioned that you would likely play victim while denying having done anything, and of course you already had! Correct and accurate she was once again! BTW, it is not in ANY way illegal for me to say these things to you, get over yourself! You like to make empty threats because it makes your ego feel more powerful and in control than it actually is...but that is a personal problem, you deal with that.

Have yourself a wonderful day sean, and take your legal threats, fold them several times into sharp corners, and shove those sideways as far as possible up where the sun does not ever shine! ;)

[Henosis Sage]

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RE "No sean, you own NONE of that material as it was ALL previously copyrighted."

TRUTH: Yes Matthew M Sharpe, your poisonous mind has no effect on International
Copyright Law. I do hold a legal Copyright on my original material and my
original presentation and form of various materials. And it is enforceable
under the Laws in and outside the United States of America.

re: " that the owners of those rights own to this very day!"

TRUTH: Prove it! Then go ahead and prove that I do not own legally valid Copyrights over my materials/works under the Law. I assert those right here and now, for all jurisdictions according to Copyright Law. Do not infringe upon those rights Matthew M Sharpe anywhere, even on the Light Force Network website. It is being monitored for any future breaches, as is my legal right.

I also repeat that you are not in possession of my complete archive of
historical facts. But you are welcome to go view the current archive online,
as is anyone else on the planet with an internet connection. Such as Mr
President Peter Skelskey who received a personal invitation to do just that.

Re: "...see you in court sean!"

TRUTH: No you will not "see" me in Court, but you will "feel" me in the Court.
Your Psychiatrist is an unprofessional unethical incompetent. Does she exist beyond your own imagination? If so, she needs to go into therapy herself.

RE: "BTW, it is not in ANY way illegal for me to say these things to you"

TRUTH: Some things are illegal and some things are not illegal. It depends on a
Judge not on your opinion, a Lawyers opinion, and not according to your
Psychiatrist either. Seeing her regularly are you?

But every thing you say is being saved and it will be used against you in a
Court of Law as is appropriate and at a time of my choosing, not yours. I have
a very healthy ego thank you for your sharing your irrelevant opinion in that
regard.

re: "fold them several times into sharp corners"

TRUTH: Was that sharp or Sharpe corners Kinpa?

Desperate is as desperate does. Now ain't that the truth!

You are such a stupid fool Matthew, a complete dweeb.

An embarrassment to Loni Haas, to all participants on the Light Force Network
website, and to every other Eckist on this planet.

Now run along to the http://spiritualdialogues.com website and ask Doug Marman
a couple of direct questions.

1) Are you still a member of Eckankar?
2) Are you still an approved Initiator of Eckankar?
3) Do you still attend Eckankar sanctioned events or seminars?
4) Then, why have you Doug told other people for years now that Harold Klemp
is no longer the Mahanta, is no longer the head of the ECK teachings, that
another has taken his place?
5) Given Rebazar Tazrs, Twitchell, Gross and Klemp have all been upfront about
who is the Mahanta of the day, then why is that you Doug REFUSE to tell anyone
else who this "NEW MAHANTA" is?
6) On who's authority do you Doug Marman state these things and why do you
lack the courage and integrity to state such matters openly and fully on your
website PUBLICLY, given that 100% of visitors and readers of his pathetic books
are all present or former Eckists?
7) What did Harold Klemp say to you Doug when you told him that you no longer
regarded him as the present Mahanta? And if you didn't tell him then how you
being such a HYPOCRITE sleep at night and present yourself as *a teacher and lecturer* of spirituality with any integrity or honesty to the world?

Kinpa you equally suffer the exact same issues about honesty, integrity and
courage. You're a snake. Off you go .. copy and paste.

There is not ONE thing I have said here or in the archive publicly about Doug
Marman that he did not FIRST have the opportunity to hear from me first via
PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE. I do not control what he 'reads or ignores', nor his
memory, nor his comprehension levels, which is dubious at best.

But being incompetent as an historian, is a serious issue he should have
addressed years ago now. Along with his cowardice and intentional deceptions
of others for several decades.

And yet here you are Matthew M Sharpe spitting out your venomous poison to all
the world and suggesting it is I that has serious issues about "feeling more
powerful and in control of others and situations; that it is a personal problem
that I have"?

So again for simplicity and clarity - KINPA you are an IDIOT.

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[Henosis Sage]

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Remember the Dead Quoc:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/T0H6wADp-Ww/7kfBUTEGCqIJ



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[Henosis Sage]

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Remember the Dead Quoc:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/T0H6wADp-Ww/7kfBUTEGCqIJ
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Harold Klemp seminar Talk 2012-04 (extract)

- 1981 was very very hard .. [note: in that so shy, anxious, self-conscious,
nervous in public] I didn't want to come in the front door . came in the
production door .. cut through the back way including the female toilets (to
get to my office) ... better check the time .. yes we're OK ..
this is Sharon's watch, not used to woman's watch, but it seems to keep time ok
(laughter )

- to those of you who have been in a hospital .. [something happening on stage - pauses] ... got two of those .. rehab and hospital ... nice and a blue top ..
- so, ... there are flies flying around up here, must be for me ...
- My first time trip in this position was New Zealand .. just been named and my
predecessor was looking after the office etc., physical things and I was
looking after the spiritual things, and he had arranged for me, very
thoughtfully, to send me on this which he used to do... to New Zealand then
Australia ... Hong Kong etc., Helen Baird came along .. get to a seminar, I
was supposed to give a talk .. (was appointed) so recently, they didn't know
what I looked like .. and so I see a couple of the Chelas and I go sit with
them .. and talking away ... one guy says "Are you Harold Klemp?" and everyone
backs off and becomes very respectful, and I felt just very awkward but since
then I have had to get used to it, but this is one of those times when ECK
turned the page in my life very quickly ....

- people have often, oh you know, we have this phenomenon of the *mini masters* and there's one waiting at the World Wide (last year Oct. 2011 ) ... she's a
woman thinking it's going to be her, and then there's another guy who didn't
have the $40 to come up here now and stuff, and he'll save his money for the
World Wide and come up and graciously accept the Mastership then .. and most
of these people are so full of the ego and and full of themselves .... they
don't realise that if the load was put on them; as it was on me the year before
when I finally got the Rod of ECK Power, it unbalanced me it was a year before
I was ready and ah most of the pretenders wouldn't last a week let alone a
month .. I am saying this straight to you in the audience but as far as
talking to these mini-masters .. someone coined the term for them and its
perfect minimasters, about the size of pygmies hahaha ... (minor laughter in
audience) ... in a grown up world but they don't know it but you can (try) to
talk straight to them but its like talking to a cork-screw, you just cant
reach them, but I gave it my best shot right now ..

(no laughter, no applause)

Background ref info:
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/schizotypal-personality-disorder-symptoms/

Comments Note: Then why even bother? How about helping them along the way,
rather than belittling them publicly? Obviously those who listened to the talk
know exactly who was talking about - unless he simply made it all up.

Klemp is totally wrong here, these kinds of unstable, psychotic, disturbed individuals, are not
uncommon in Eckankar circles, but they are NOT the people commonly referred to as "minimasters"
in Eckankar.

The "know it alls" are the *mini-masters*. Those who throw their weight
around unnecessarily in local Satsangs, or online discussion groups, who have such a big ego and
certainty in their beliefs and standing in Eckankar that they end up believing they have the inside
running and dictate to others what the "correct letter of truth is".

Of what Klemp "really means" in one of his talks, or Wisdom Note, or they can tell anyone what
Twitchell really meant in this or that Shariyat quote. And then never let up on other people.

Minimasters in Eckankar as not rare, but very common among the membership. All
are High Initiates usually.

All are arrogant and narcissistic. All speak down to others, especially newbies
and 4th initiates.

Kinpa - Matthew M Sharpe is yet another garden variety manifestation of a Mini-
Master of Eckankar. A self-deluded know-it-all; who doesn't even know he is. (shrug)

[Kinpa]

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SEAN? Here is a legal FACT that you obviously are completely unaware of, IF you hold a copyright on an item, if and when that copyright is misused or used wrongly or illegally i.e. without legal permission, the burden of proof ALWAYS falls upon the COPYRIGHT holder!!!!! What that means is, that YOU must prove it to ME! END OF STORY! YOU HOLD NO COPYRIGHT OIN ANY OF THAT MATERIAL!!! DEAL WITH IT!
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>
> I also repeat that you are not in possession of my complete archive of
> historical facts. But you are welcome to go view the current archive online,
> as is anyone else on the planet with an internet connection. Such as Mr
> President Peter Skelskey who received a personal invitation to do just that.
>
> Re: "...see you in court sean!"
>
> TRUTH: No you will not "see" me in Court, but you will "feel" me in the Court.

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NO I will not "feel" you in court, regardless of whichever sickly desires you might have demand....IF you can afford legal counsel and IF you were to actually bring charges against me, i would then fly to Australia with my legal team in tow, and i would make certain that you WERE indeed in court! However, the truth is, you know full well you are a liar, and it will NEVER happen! Reality CAN be such a drag sometimes can't it? But the INDIVIDUAL creates their own...and must always deal with what theyhave created!
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> Your Psychiatrist is an unprofessional unethical incompetent. Does she exist beyond your own imagination? If so, she needs to go into therapy herself.

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What's tyhe matter? Do actual professionals scare you??? It would seem that they do. This psychiatrist is a friend, but she DOES enjoy the comedy of your claims against her, and by the way, she has accurately listed every word and action that you have taken in the last two months....BEFORE you did them! Not too shabby for the sort of person you claimed her to be above...By the way you DO specifically FIT the diagnoses of Munchausen's Syndrome, the only difference being that you familiarize yourself with psychological terms instead of physical illnesses, and try like hell to cast them as stones upon others, when the sad reality is that trhey belong only to yourself....sad!
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>
> RE: "BTW, it is not in ANY way illegal for me to say these things to you"
>
> TRUTH: Some things are illegal and some things are not illegal. It depends on a
> Judge not on your opinion, a Lawyers opinion, and not according to your
> Psychiatrist either. Seeing her regularly are you?
>
> But every thing you say is being saved and it will be used against you in a
> Court of Law as is appropriate and at a time of my choosing, not yours. I have
> a very healthy ego thank you for your sharing your irrelevant opinion in that
> regard.
>
> re: "fold them several times into sharp corners"
>
> TRUTH: Was that sharp or Sharpe corners Kinpa?
>
> Desperate is as desperate does. Now ain't that the truth!
>
> You are such a stupid fool Matthew, a complete dweeb.
>
> An embarrassment to Loni Haas, to all participants on the Light Force Network
> website, and to every other Eckist on this planet.
>
> Now run along to the http://spiritualdialogues.com website and ask Doug Marman
> a couple of direct questions.
>
> 1) Are you still a member of Eckankar?
> 2) Are you still an approved Initiator of Eckankar?
> 3) Do you still attend Eckankar sanctioned events or seminars?
> 4) Then, why have you Doug told other people for years now that Harold Klemp
> is no longer the Mahanta, is no longer the head of the ECK teachings, that
> another has taken his place?

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I am curious, do you have ANY proof that he ever said this? I am unaware of it ever having happened at all, so I would like you to point out exactly where/when/to whom or in which piece of writing this was said...be specific please...
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> 5) Given Rebazar Tazrs, Twitchell, Gross and Klemp have all been upfront about
> who is the Mahanta of the day, then why is that you Doug REFUSE to tell anyone
> else who this "NEW MAHANTA" is?

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Because this is a delusion that you made up, pretty simple! But wait one minute, I thought that Rebazar Tarzs was fictional??? How is it that now you're saying that he was always up front about who is the Mahanta???? LMAO!
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> 6) On who's authority do you Doug Marman state these things and why do you
> lack the courage and integrity to state such matters openly and fully on your
> website PUBLICLY, given that 100% of visitors and readers of his pathetic books
> are all present or former Eckists?
> 7) What did Harold Klemp say to you Doug when you told him that you no longer
> regarded him as the present Mahanta? And if you didn't tell him then how you
> being such a HYPOCRITE sleep at night and present yourself as *a teacher and lecturer* of spirituality with any integrity or honesty to the world?
>
> Kinpa you equally suffer the exact same issues about honesty, integrity and
> courage. You're a snake. Off you go .. copy and paste.

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This is nothing more than your OPINION sean! Get over yourself already and stop flattering yourself to think that anyone actually cares what your opinion is!
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> There is not ONE thing I have said here or in the archive publicly about Doug
> Marman that he did not FIRST have the opportunity to hear from me first via
> PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE. I do not control what he 'reads or ignores', nor his
> memory, nor his comprehension levels, which is dubious at best.
>
> But being incompetent as an historian, is a serious issue he should have
> addressed years ago now. Along with his cowardice and intentional deceptions
> of others for several decades.
>
> And yet here you are Matthew M Sharpe spitting out your venomous poison to all
> the world and suggesting it is I that has serious issues about "feeling more
> powerful and in control of others and situations; that it is a personal problem
> that I have"?
>
> So again for simplicity and clarity - KINPA you are an IDIOT.
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------

Which "venemous poison" are you speaking of sean? Or is that simply YOUR opinion again? I'll make it simple, STOP FLATTERING YOURSELF! Call names all you want to, however, stop dragging anyone who might read it down to your own level, trust me, it is obvious who in reality those names fit!

[Kinpa]

This is truly HILARIOUS! So sean? If you please, show me where i have EVER made a claim to be a Master, or in line to become a Master, or ANY other such thing, please?? I would TRULY love to see that, knowing that I have never considered myself such.....it does bring up the point however, about those who call others names such as this one, that suggests that THEY might actually be guilty of the thing they enjoy throwing upon others LOL....enjoy it sean, I certainly am!