Sand Castles

[Henosis Sage]

When you build upon a flawed foundation, then everything
built upon that foundation is weakened and flawed.

Hendrix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMGYAkUtKQw

[Henosis Sage]

All generalities are false.
Including this one.

[Henosis Sage]

New Thought Author
Charles F Haanel's
The Master Key System
1912

This Discourse material makes up at least 50% of the text in
"Dialogues with the Master" by Paul Twitchell, published in 1971,
and is now out of print. (Some editions are collector items)

Part One
42. We live in a fathomless sea of plastic mind substance. This substance is ever alive and active. It is sensitive to the highest degree. It takes form according to the mental demand. Thought forms the mold or matrix from which the substance expresses.

43. Remember that it is in the application alone that the value consists, and that a practical understanding of this law will substitute abundance for poverty, wisdom for ignorance, harmony for discord and freedom for tyranny, and certainly there can be no greater blessing than these from a material and social standpoint.

44. Now make the application: Select a room where you can be alone and undisturbed; sit erect, comfortably, but do not lounge; let your thoughts roam where they will but be perfectly still for from fifteen minutes to half an hour; continue this for three or four days or for a week until you secure full control of your physical being.

45. Many will find this extremely difficult; others will conquer with ease, but it is absolutely essential to secure complete control of the body before you are ready to progress. Next week you will receive instructions for the next step; in the meantime you must have mastered this one.

http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekTMKS3.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_Key_System

[Etznab]

This is a discussion group ... correct? And I do see the word "eckankar" in the name "alt.religion.eckankar" ... ? So what does this Haanel person and his writings have to do with Eckankar?

Example about Haanel's book:

"The Master Key System is a personal development book by Charles F. Haanel (1866-1949) that was originally published as a 24-week correspondence course in 1912. It was later published in book form in 1916 by Psychology Publishing, St. Louis and The Master Key Institute, New York. ... ."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_Key_System

I asked those questions because Paul Twitchell was ... how old in 1912-1916? I believe he was like, What? Just a young kid who hadn't (even according to his stories) met Rebazar Tarzs in person yet? (Harold Klemp suggested the meeting in 1935?)

And when his master's name, Rebazar Tarzs, came into print what was that? 1964? (Rebazar Tarzu?) And the word Eckankar appeared in 1963?

So, Paul's book featuring Rebazar Tarzs came out like over 50 years after the writings of Haanel.

O.K. (this is a discussion group?), then Why is "Rebazar Tarzs" found speaking to Paul Twitchell as if he is reading Haanel's writings? And why is the author and his book not mentioned by Rebazar Tarzs?

To me (and perhaps to others) it looks possible (yes this is an assumption) that Paul Twitchell copied / paraphrased Haanel's works and said - or made it out to look like - he received the information in the form of ancient teachings from a 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama living next to Babaji in the mountains of India.

This is a discussion ... so when are those nasty potty-mouthed deluded-thinking Eckists going to come here and personally attack us for discussing and doing research to clarify the truth in this matter? How many times will our friends, our families, our bathroom habits, shopping habits and eating habits be criticized and our reputations slandered by people who insist on telling us "As a matter of fact ... end of story!" Etc., etc., and so many other things that ALSO amount to more than assumptions, when they are actually delusions and / or actions taken with intent to degrade, defame and bully?

I see those words created by Haanel were not an assumption and that Haanel was a real living person evidenced by an actual photograph and not a drawing. And I also saw (in the archives here) the matching words in Eckankar's book.

So I see there are things in these discussions that are not assumptions? And some that are even provable facts? (In spite of attempts by detractors to smear the facts with lies and / or personal attacks to bait us away from the topic at hand) I say great! Let's continue the discussion about "Sand Castles".

[Henosis Sage]

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Let's continue the discussion about "Sand Castles".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GViVQr7aifI

We've got our bucket and our shovels
And a job to do
We're gonna build the best sandcastle
We've got the sand and the sun
And the water, too
We're gonna build the best sandcastle
Oh, what fun for me and you
We're the team to see it through

Chorus:
Oh Oh Oh
Watch us build and watch us dig
Gonna be the best sandcastle
We'll work all day to make it big
Gonna be the best sandcastle
It's got a moat all around
And a secret door
A fancy turret and so much more
It's gonna be the best
Gonna be the best
Gonna be the best
Sandcastle

I'm with my friends having so much fun
Gonna be the best sandcastle
We'll fly our flag in the setting sun
Gonna be the best sandcastle
Now it's time to fill the moat
Then I'm gonna launch my boat

Repeat Chorus

[Kinpa]

A nice claim, but merely a claim... I'm still just not very impressed...

[Kinpa]

Then why do you only "discuss" YOUR opinion and never even inspect ANY others? You see it is that quality that shows this has never been a discussion, this is two people stammering that they're right over anyone else that speaks that simply doesn't agree. The insisting that all that disagree have lost their minds is not doing either of you any favors...and every time I fall silent for a few days you both just start up! Perhaps you ought to go get a room or something, but if you please, keep those matters in private...

[Etznab]

I already asked in recent days a number of times about alternative explanations.

How is the speaking Rebazar Tarzs real when the speaking was plagiarism instead?

[Kinpa]

Because the ONLY "speaking Rebazar Tarzs" you are considering is the one in whichever book, which is by no means the same as a person actually speaking to, and having a conversation with, him....you asked I know, but you didn't actually want to consider ANY you might've received. How do I know? Because you have made your opinion very clear that there can't possibly BE any other explanations in your mind, you have already decided that he never existed...

[Etznab]

You can see the illustrations?

"Rebazar Tarzs appeared a little later than usual tonight. It was almost 1:30 a.m., before he came into the bedroom and started pacing up and down the floor with both hands behind his back. Finally he started speaking. [...]"

Etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. ...

So many examples about this kind of thing. What do you call this Kinpa? Do you call it Paul Twitchell lying to your face? What do YOU call it?

[Kinpa]

I call it irrelevant...I personally don't care about whether or not Rebazar Tarzs appeared to Paul Twitchell or not, I am only worried about my own experiences and what I learn....debating with the both of you is not a worthy passage of time to me. I am well aware that you will call that me running from hearing the "truth" you supply, however, this is not the case, in my opinion I am aware of truths that you apparently are not, and that is fine with me. I am not bothered by your disagreeing with me, see things the way you choose to....but why are YOU so unable to let another be? Is it THAT hard for you to do? Do yourself a favor and stop sucking up to seanie...

[Henosis Sage]

On Monday, 15 June 2015 14:20:46 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

1) "I personally don't care about whether or not Rebazar Tarzs appeared to Paul Twitchell or not,"

2) "....debating with the both of you is not a worthy passage of time to me."

3) " I am not bothered by your disagreeing with me, "

4) ."...but why are YOU so unable to let another be?"

5) Is it THAT hard for you to do?

6) Do yourself a favor and stop sucking up to seanie...

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More sophistry, manipulations, lies, distortions and childish bullshit.

All provable. All self-evident.

[Etznab]

You call it irrelevant. I call it denial (on your part). I saw this about you a long time ago.

As for the truths you are aware of, about people messing their pants, and what they do during the day, what their friends do, I say you are big fat delusional liar and a psychic miscreant.

[Etznab]

In case you deem my remarks too harsh, here is a review showing some of your immature and sick writings:

Kinpa wrote: "would you like to see bat shit crazy?? LOL look in the mirror in a week....on the toilet you go again! enjoy the gift! when you begin shitting blood, go see a doctor ;) of course i am well aware that you will never admit such a thing in public, but you know damned well what happened the last time....enjoy yourself! it is 12/07/2014 so it is 12/08/2014 where you are, and so it begins! SO much fun you are! thank you once again, never a dull moment with your ranting and raving!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/tDgma7tfnH8

Kinpa wrote: "you messed in your pants peetee LOL, ..."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY

Kinpa wrote: "Stop flattering yourself, you are not, and have never been a 'truth Master'.....you are a drunken piece of shit that lies around drunk all day pretending to be a tough guy on a COMPUTER! And why are you all taped up? What is that all about?"

(All taped up?)

Kinpa wrote: "you will have a surprise sometime today Sean! enjoy that!"

(A surprise?)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/j_VXc5J8DpM

These are what? Kinpa? Predictions on your part? Remote viewings? Your truths? Or your immature, sick, mean, disrespectful and irresponsible communications plain and simple?

I think you very well deserve to have this thrown back in your face. Because maybe you forgot these mean and deranged communications created by you.

Kinpa wrote: "Coffin, Pie Floater, or Blade Steak or Chuck Steak..."

And on that thread Kinpa wrote: "which shall it be for Christmas Eve dinner?? Happy Holidays everyone!!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0yZOjotIE3E

Your truths? Kinpa? Your abilities? Ability to act like an immature bully troll?

Kinpa wrote: "How was Walmart today?"

Kinpa wrote: "to you I would ask how was the liquor store last night?"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/HsKxRPj8kVo

Kinpa wrote: "do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"

You certainly could have worded yourself differently, but you did not. And when you were finally called on these things you just kept on. (Just like you kept on with Sean in the beginning until he started swearing at you; and even then you did not stop, but called it endless entertainment and fun.)

And you are part of some thing called: Light Force Network? (or something like that)

Your immature and mean disrespectful words look more to me like a "Dark Force".

Kinpa wrote: "i must ask however, were you honest with the couple that hosted your party of friends last night? you DO realize that they know exactly who made that mess in the bathroom. both of you can rationalize all that you want to, but that will not change a thing. dont take my word for it, observe with your own eyes. you know what happens to you each week, as do i, and the same with your other friend here! how many months will it continue before you decide to see a doctor? what will you think if the prescription he gives you never works?"

Kinpa wrote: "Actually I made remarks about you and your friends, and they DID actually happen when I claimed they would, however it is completely understandable that you will not admit that, and that is fine, it served it's purpose already....remote viewing does actually exist, it makes no difference if you or sean refuse to believe that possible, or if you call anyone crazy for it, that changes nothing in any way, I KNOW what I can do...it IS worth pointing out however, that when I say some such thing to you, and it then happens, that is not in any way a mind game, which is the usual rationalization used for any such occurrence..."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs

You wrote those things, Kinpa, and there is no denying it. Would you care to recant, or apologize for any of your nasty, sick remarks?

Kinpa wrote: "i know that YOU just had a little accident yet again....no coincidence either...your logic is still not logical, and you still insist that apples are oranges....you make your assertions and come to illogical conclusions all you would like....it never stops being funny..."

Kinpa: "well stop doing that silly man.....did you enjoy the surprise? LMAO it's all over but the crying now....you cant say yopu werent warned....enjoy Sean"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/authormsg$3Aalt.religion.eckankar$2CYPrRwnwRB5kJ$20after$3A2014$2F12$2F1$20before$3A2015$2F1$2F1|sort:

And your respect for other people's opinions amounts to what?

Kinpa wrote: "another opinion....those happen to be just like sphincters, everyone has one...yawn....boring"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/authormsg$3Aalt.religion.eckankar$2CYPrRwnwRB5kJ$20after$3A2014$2F12$2F1$20before$3A2015$2

It definitely looks to me like you went way to far, did it with intent, did it in spite of feedback telling how sick and twisted ... and continue (because my examples were taken only from a fraction of your postings over the months.

Are you happy to have written trash in a.r.e. Kinpa? and had another person tell you about it?

Aren't you the not cool one now?

[Kinpa]

And this is just ONE example of your own sophistry and your double standard...all provable and equally self-evident....but the taking of comments OUT OF CONTEXT as opposed to showing the things that had been said previously, that they were reactions to, is simply dishonest, as is deleting your posts...but hey, it IS your own choice, and no one but yourself has to wear the outcome of your choices....every description you put above is as like a gift one brings to another, but if that one refuses the gift, where does it stay? With the gift-bearer of course....I refuse your gift, so I hope that you enjoy it....btw that story is one of Kirpal Singh's stories relating to that one should never think ill of another or it always returns to them...your words here have shown for years that you regard all others as below yourself, however, when reality steps in, that may not be what you find for yourself....However, you DO have EVERY right to CHOOSE your own destiny! Far be it from me to deny you that capacity! Enjoy dear friend!

[Kinpa]

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You claim to have seen this about me, however I sincerely doubt that is true...regardless, it still clearly demonstrates your limited understanding of the concepts at hand...if you had any degree of understanding of anything beyond the conclusions you have already accepted, you would see clearly that at best you have a limited and partial understanding, and that there is quite a lot left for you to learn on this subject...however I refuse to be your teacher, I simply have nothing to add to this, you are on your own with your self-drawn and extremely convenient conclusions, I hope they serve you well! However, the convenient conclusions are generally not the most direct teachers, but that is about your own choices, I hope those serve you as well as they have thus far!

> As for the truths you are aware of, about people messing their pants, and what they do during the day, what their friends do, I say you are big fat delusional liar and a psychic miscreant.

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If what I have seen was inaccurate, you wouldn't have reacted this way to what was said, therefore, you have merely admitted that I was right about that....you can SAY whatever you would like about me, as always, I simply do not care, you may have your opinions as those are weights around YOUR neck, not mine! Enjoy...

[Kinpa]

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ALL taken out of context, so you seem to be following seanie's example and I take it the same way, while welcoming you to having your own opinion, I refuse the gift you offer me, you shall have to carry that yourself....you have both written trash about others and have been doing so for years, so step down off of your "holy pulpit" and be what you are rather than trying to fool people into accepting you in the image you WISH people saw you in....that just isn't realistic....no one forces either of you to respond to anything I write, you do so at your own risk...

Cool one? Seriously? What am I in high school? Caring for "cool" is hubris, as is worrying about the public's perception of you, despite seanie's constant wiki references and claims that all but himself are crazy! I seriously hope that the both of you enjoy that! However, you do not own this place, so I am the ECKists who is here to talk about Eckankar, but I'm sorry if what I have to say disagrees with you, but this IS an Eckankar discussion group...perhaps you should create an anti-ECK group where people that agree with you would go!

Here is an interesting video that both of you might find useful! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2db4yppb9xo

[Kinpa]

I simply HAD to add: Etznab? Do you seriously think you are the first person to ever do that? LOL that is funny! I try top take you seriously but it just doesn;t work that way for me...you will have to excuse me for that, but that IS what posting in public is like, you HAVE to have a spine of your own or it isn't worth even bothering! I have a spine, I am not at all worried about anything I've ever said here, and that is why none of them are deleted....you two can't say the same however....ENJOY~!!!

[Henosis Sage]

better url for :

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Actually I made remarks about you and your friends, and they DID actually happen when I claimed they would, however it is completely understandable that you will not admit that, and that is fine, it served it's purpose already....remote viewing does actually exist, it makes no difference if you or sean refuse to believe that possible, or if you call anyone crazy for it, that changes nothing in any way, I KNOW what I can do...it IS worth pointing out however, that when I say some such thing to you, and it then happens, that is not in any way a mind game, which is the usual rationalization used for any such occurrence...

The fact that you KNOW I said it removes any possibility for it to affect you in any way to make it come true, conscious awareness of one playing any sort of mind game or subliminal pushing or messaging removes its ability to have ANY effect....and as far as an address, there is none. We all speak at my site, and if they are members of any other forums, I wouldn't know about that. It is not likely that either of you would be welcomed there so you might be better of to not try to apply the way sean constantly does....we always know who applies and what their intent actually is....whether or not that is some "awesome spiritual or psychic power" I wouldn't know, but it IS the case for my site. Like I said, if they WANT to speak to you, they already know where to find you...that is really the best I am able to do about that.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/J6veYR8yEoYJ

Remote viewing bs kinpa june 11th

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/J6veYR8yEoYJ

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On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 10:41:38 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 4:57:34 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 9:41:37 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 11:55:17 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 12:53:17 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 19, 2014 at 10:46:00 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:45:01 AM UTC-5, Peetee Aitche=

(snipped)

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> I wrote that because you are constantly making sweeping statements and ab=
out what other people think with regard to the plagiarism topic, etc. Given=
your language and behavior here over the past many months (What you call f=
un, entertaining and not illegal. Including commenting about my friends and=
places that I go during my day; things that you posted on a public newsgro=
up that are not true.) I would sincerely ask to hear from them. If you don'=
t want to ask them to come here then give me an address for the discussion =
board where I can go to them. Thank you.
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Actually I made remarks about you and your friends, and they DID actually h=
appen when I claimed they would, however it is completely understandable th=
at you will not admit that, and that is fine, it served it's purpose alread=
y....remote viewing does actually exist, it makes no difference if you or s=
ean refuse to believe that possible, or if you call anyone crazy for it, th=
at changes nothing in any way, I KNOW what I can do...it IS worth pointing =
out however, that when I say some such thing to you, and it then happens, t=
hat is not in any way a mind game, which is the usual rationalization used =
for any such occurrence...

The fact that you KNOW I said it removes any possibility for it to affect y=
ou in any way to make it come true, conscious awareness of one playing any =
sort of mind game or subliminal pushing or messaging removes its ability to=
have ANY effect....and as far as an address, there is none. We all speak a=
t my site, and if they are members of any other forums, I wouldn't know abo=
ut that. It is not likely that either of you would be welcomed there so you=
might be better of to not try to apply the way sean constantly does....we =
always know who applies and what their intent actually is....whether or not=
that is some "awesome spiritual or psychic power" I wouldn't know, but it =
IS the case for my site. Like I said, if they WANT to speak to you, they al=
ready know where to find you...that is really the best I am able to do abou=
t that.

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Go ahead, but do not threaten me about it, it breaks absolutely NO facet of Eckankar's teachings to tell another a prophecy,but if you feel the need to claim that I have actually CAUSED you trouble, go for it. Eckankar has absolutely NO say over the words I speak to anyone, but if you feel the need to try to have my membership thrown off by the Org, go ahead...I am not in the least worried about it...as to your need is to present plagiarisms to them, that has nothing to do with me, that is your own concern.

However, I will warn you once again, to be VERY careful what you choose to say or do, you are the only person that has to deal with any karma that may be incurred, and that also is not my concern. I will however meet your threat with the promise of sending them your words as they appear all over this forum, as they also should be able to know the full truth about your own opinions of them, especially while you're insisting they do something about me using my own abilities....in case you were unaware, the eye literally cannot trespass, that is physical law, and it is included in spiritual law as well, so by looking at you, or anyone else, I am doing nothing wrong. By making observations about your friends that you do not like, that also is not illegal.

Your feedback does not necessarily have anything to do with reality, nor does it prove me of having done anything wrong. Go ahead then.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/pKuqtnJ9ECAJ

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On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 11:24:14 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 6:04:08 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 10:41:38 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 4:57:34 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 9:41:37 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 11:55:17 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 12:53:17 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 19, 2014 at 10:46:00 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrot=
e:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:45:01 AM UTC-5, Peetee Ai=
tchei wrote:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/pKuqtnJ9ECAJ

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ETZNAB" What you are communicating about here does not sound like Eckankar to me. Rather it sounds like black magic. Seriously, Kinpa, I'm not kidding and are not joking. In fact I am communicating to you what it sounds like to me what you have done.

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MS: That is your opinion, however, proving that is not a thing you will be able to do, especially with the way things have been described. There is absolutely NO magic of any sort used by me at any time, ever. The fact that you and sean have continuously accused me of it is your own karmas....I will include all of that in my own correspondances, as I have not one thing to hide about anything I do. The "fictional" ECK Masters are aware of all of it, so I am not in any degree of fear about your accusations or your opinions. It is quite obvious that you do not understand me at all, so save your platitudes, I've no need of them.

So, when you report my supposed "black magic" activities, be sure to include as much evidence as you can come up with, and be very certain you are not casting a false accusation, or bearing false witness as one of sean's earlier bible quotes mentioned as being an abomination to YHWH.....I am fine accepting your challenge, in fact I look forward to it.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/GSER35ZKB-YJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/GSER35ZKB-YJ

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That is your opinion, and that is fine, however it is no more illegal than it would be to drive by you and look and see you...not an invasion of space in ANY way, which is why earthly law states that "the eye cannot trespass..." the very thing that police use when they see something such as a beer condensation ring on the dash of a car, such a person will immediately be questioned and searched due to that and the officer needs no warrant or a judge's approval because he has, by law, not trespassed...to be able to make this stick in any way you will first have to prove, beyond my own words, that it happened and what I saw exactly as opposed to anything I might've said...perhaps the Living ECK Master will step in for you and take me out, or perhaps one of the others you so often claim do not exist....in fact I find it very unlikely that you are an ECKist or that you write any reports to anyone, but you made the threat, now go do it.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/EYa5elaGeOUJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/EYa5elaGeOUJ

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Stop being ridiculous, all that you showed from my site showed absolutely NO proof of what you claimed we are about or are up to! Pretty simple isn't it? No need to phone, but if it makes you feel like a big tough guy to insist i am a "pet" do what you have to do, I consider it nothing....you made numerous claims and charges, ALL of which were pure assumption on your part, with not one single piece of evidence except MY blog posts! How does the postings of ONE person prove that an entire website is a false front recruiting for Eckankar???

Are you seriously this unbalanced that you cannot see that you have proven no such thing! Have you ever looked at any of the other posts there? All sorts of Hindu posts, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc etc etc! You failed to prove that ANYONE there is acting as a font to recruit for Eckankar, however, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an individual writing blogs and posting them, and if others ask to learn more about Eckankar, they can.Nothing illegal or immoral or dishonest about ANY of it!

But you just go ahead and keep ranting if you want to, they're just your opinions, and you have every right to have the one you choose to hold...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/g8f2zJe_8R4J

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I have told you, I already have every file you have there! Try again, because none of that proves what you claim it does...it's sad that you are unable to find ANY direct evidence for a change, NOT plagiarisms...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/snyoGYQ_tY8J

[Henosis Sage]

Delusional Disorder Symptoms By Psych Central Staff

Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of either bizarre or non-bizarre delusions which have persisted for at least one month.
The delusions can not be better accounted for by another disorder, such as schizophrenia, which is also characterized by delusions (which are bizarre). The delusions also cannot be better accounted for by a mood disorder, if the mood disturbances have been relatively brief. The lifetime prevalence of delusional disorder has been estimated at around 0.2%.
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/

Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue.
http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder

[Henosis Sage]

Someone quite delusional once said:

"If what I have seen was inaccurate,
you wouldn't have reacted this way to what was said,
therefore, you have merely admitted that I was right about that...."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0/hrRs1SH4G-cJ

ALL taken out of context, ....but the taking of comments OUT OF CONTEXT as opposed to showing the things that had been said previously, that they were reactions to, is simply dishonest, as is deleting your posts...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0/HnvxiKPzdPMJ

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Actually I made remarks about you and your friends, and they DID actually happen when I claimed they would, however it is completely understandable that you will not admit that, and that is fine, it served it's purpose already....remote viewing does actually exist, it makes no difference if you or sean refuse to believe that possible, or if you call anyone crazy for it, that changes nothing in any way, I KNOW what I can do...it IS worth pointing out however, that when I say some such thing to you, and it then happens, that is not in any way a mind game, which is the usual rationalization used for any such occurrence...

The fact that you KNOW I said it removes any possibility for it to affect you in any way to make it come true, conscious awareness of one playing any sort of mind game or subliminal pushing or messaging removes its ability to have ANY effect....and as far as an address, there is none. We all speak at my site, and if they are members of any other forums, I wouldn't know about that. It is not likely that either of you would be welcomed there so you might be better of to not try to apply the way sean constantly does....we always know who applies and what their intent actually is....whether or not that is some "awesome spiritual or psychic power" I wouldn't know, but it IS the case for my site. Like I said, if they WANT to speak to you, they already know where to find you...that is really the best I am able to do about that.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/080LKL9LmrI/J6veYR8yEoYJ

That was the Remote Viewing bs kinpa on June 11th 2015

IN case you missed it ....

"Actually I made remarks about you and your friends, and they DID actually happen when I claimed they would, however it is completely understandable that you will not admit that, and that is fine, it served it's purpose already....remote viewing does actually exist, it makes no difference if you or sean refuse to believe that possible, or if you call anyone crazy for it, that changes nothing in any way, I KNOW what I can do...it IS worth pointing out however, that when I say some such thing to you, and it then happens, that is not in any way a mind game, which is the usual rationalization used for any such occurrence... "

Delusional Disorder Symptoms By Psych Central Staff

Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of either bizarre or non-bizarre delusions which have persisted for at least one month.
The delusions can not be better accounted for by another disorder, such as schizophrenia, which is also characterized by delusions (which are bizarre). The delusions also cannot be better accounted for by a mood disorder, if the mood disturbances have been relatively brief. The lifetime prevalence of delusional disorder has been estimated at around 0.2%.
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/

Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue.
http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder

in case anyone missed that.

[Etznab]

Are you trying to win the Eckankar P.R. person of the year contest? Because even if there were a contest I think you would badly lose.

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Links were given for all of my examples so people could see the context. I did not have to give the links, but I did.

What is the matter? Can you not stand to see the words you used? And your defense is that they were reactions on your part?

Kinpa the reactionary! That is but a step away from terrorist!

[Etznab]

Another example of Kinpa trying to force his beliefs on another.

"If what I have seen was inaccurate, you wouldn't have reacted this way to what was said, therefore, you have merely admitted that I was right about that....you can SAY whatever you would like about me, as always, I simply do not care, you may have your opinions as those are weights around YOUR neck, not mine! Enjoy..."

What is worse is how he tries to pin the responsibility for all his evils onto other people. That is denial and and immature response, imho.

[Etznab]

I don't excuse repeated mean, malicious, sick and twisted content like you have spewed onto a.r.e.

"you will have to excuse me for that, but that IS what posting in public is like, you HAVE to have a spine of your own or it isn't worth even bothering!"

I have publicly called you on the words and behavior and you are not excused. So put that in your resume.

[Kinpa]

What would anyone do without YOU here to look out for them and to make sure that every reader understands YOUR point of view?! The thing of it is, that I still have not deleted anything, so yes, it is ALL there for ANYONE to read, a thing that YOU can't honestly say for yourself....But that is alright, I bear you no ill will! Have a great day seanie!!!

[Kinpa]

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OH excuse me Richard, I SHOULD have said that you FRAMED things the way YOU wanted others to gather their meaning from, however, regardless of anything, not everyone is going to see things the way you do. Perhaps you might consider those others in your writing style, as they certainly exist and just seems shallow to disregard them in such a way....being inclusive to all is mere;y a good practice for writing, but it is not a law or anything...

> What is the matter? Can you not stand to see the words you used? And your defense is that they were reactions on your part?

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As I stated before, I have NO PROBLEM seeing the words I used, would you like me to repeat them all over again to prove this? I can if you wish. I was not ever making a defense, I don't need a defense. You MIGHT consider that you simply are not always correct or accurate, and that could and would go quite a ways with other potential readers who are not sure of your actual motives. Just a suggestion however, you do as you see fit to do for yourself.

> Kinpa the reactionary! That is but a step away from terrorist!

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Are you back to name calling once again? Do you NOT realize that saying such things is not considered mature by most readers? Do you also not realize that after having complained about things I have said here, you have now just gone and made yourself a hypocrite? How on earth WILL you remove that from being? Remember Richard, it WAS a choice that YOU made, while pointing fingers! Did you see the other three fingers pointing back at you?

[Kinpa]

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Oh, so NOW you imagine yourself the owner and proprietor of this group? No one may be excused until YOU have excused them? Do not flatter yourself young man, I give you no such authority over me, so do yourself a favor, and never again assume that you have power that you do not have!

> "you will have to excuse me for that, but that IS what posting in public is like, you HAVE to have a spine of your own or it isn't worth even bothering!"
>
> I have publicly called you on the words and behavior and you are not excused. So put that in your resume.

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And I have publicly rebuked your calling me out! Is there a problem with that? You are sounding more and more defensive as this rolls along, and yet you accuse me of being on the defensive? Wrong on both counts Richard. You do NOT have to agree with me, however there really is nothing you CAN do to me about it. This is how speaking on the internet is for everybody, everywhere. Not everyone will always agree with you, and you can do nothing to change their opinions. The ONLY option you have is to let it go and not allow it to be a chain around your neck, however, as long as you DO allow that to be, literally NO ONE can help you with it.

[Etznab]

You can agree with your self. I don't agree with you on this.

Also, I think you should stop trying to speak for everybody.

" ... This is how speaking on the internet is for everybody, everywhere. Not everyone will always agree with you, and you can do nothing to change their opinions. The ONLY option you have is to let it go and not allow it to be a chain around your neck, however, as long as you DO allow that to be, literally NO ONE can help you with it.

[Kinpa]

I didn't "speak for everybody." Do you a problem with understanding reality? Apparently you aren't very familiar with this thing we call the internet....as a person who has been on various forums of all sorts and types, I have had many a run in with some whom much like yourself, didn't care for my opinion or anything I had to say....at this point you seemed to have the definite impression that you expected me to care one bit about your words and judgments to and of me. You ended up being very very wrong about that. That's just the way the cookie crumbles now isn't it? If I were you I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, but if you do, you will still have no one to blame other than yourself. THAT is reality by most folks standards, whether you like to hear it from me or not, I care not one bit. You ARE free to NOT read what I write here, unless I am mistaken and you are a prisoner somewhere where your captors force you to read what I write at ARE. You tell me why you continue to do it.


No one forces you to act or write the way you do, the difference is, that a person like me finds it easy to just not care and then walk away. You on the other hand have shown a very definite problem of being at all able to do that. Seanie is no different, in fact he may be considerably worse, but it makes no difference, his words return to him the very same way that yours do. welcome my words when they return to me, and I find that a very distinct difference between us.

[Etznab]

KInpa again speaking for everybody.

" ... This is how speaking on the internet is for everybody, everywhere. ..."

[Kinpa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i84tJFz6g7Q

[Henosis Sage]

On Friday, 19 June 2015 14:37:14 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

On Friday, 12 June 2015 17:56:33 UTC+10, Henosis Sage wrote:

When you build upon a flawed foundation, then everything
built upon that foundation is weakened and flawed.
Hendrix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMGYAkUtKQw

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i84tJFz6g7Q

WHAT AN IDIOT

[Kinpa]

You might not want to sit on a fire ant's sand castle...just sayin... ;)

[Kinpa]

BUMP!

[Etznab]

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 10:44:57 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

Nice try to worm your way out of that one, but context has been and will more so from now on continue to be shown. So will your ducking and weaving denials and futile attempts to escape responsibility.

[Etznab]

From mid-June of last year. Let the record show my response and the context (this thread).

I don't excuse repeated mean, malicious, sick and twisted content like you have spewed onto a.r.e.

"you will have to excuse me for that, but that IS what posting in public is like, you HAVE to have a spine of your own or it isn't worth even bothering!"

I have publicly called you on the words and behavior and you are not excused. So put that in your resume.

Kinpa tries to be excused from his behavior. I called him on it a long time ago, and repeatedly.

Let the record show that Kinpa has not apologized to date for the most egregious lies about me personally and about my friends. Let the record also show that Kinpa has continued to echo the same lies for months now.

[Etznab]

Over half a year ago this was.

"[...] You do NOT have to agree with me, however there really is nothing you CAN do to me about it. This is how speaking on the internet is for everybody, everywhere. Not everyone will always agree with you, and you can do nothing to change their opinions. The ONLY option you have is to let it go and not allow it to be a chain around your neck, however, as long as you DO allow that to be, literally NO ONE can help you with it. [... .]"

Well, I'd say you went a little too far, Kinpa. I didn't let it go and I think your continued lying behavior is harassment.

Let the record show I have (once again) stated my position about what you would like to be excused for.

You have not been excused.

[Kinpa]

And you have not proven anything to be a lie either. So stop insisting things are lies when you have no proof to show. You are by NO means excused yourself!

[Henosis Sage]

RE: "And you have not proven anything to be a lie either. So stop insisting things are lies when you have no proof to show. "

NUTCASE DUNDERHEAD - YOU'RE A PROVEN LIAR and a FOOL

That's some talent!

[Etznab]

Etznab writes:

"Are you trying to win the Eckankar P.R. person of the year contest? Because even if there were a contest I think you would badly lose. [... .]"

[Kinpa]

Everyone has an opinion, what of it? If there were a contest for the most prolific anti-Eckankar person on earth I think you would also lose badly.

[Henosis Sage]

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RE: "Another example of Kinpa trying to force his beliefs
(and FLAWED Opinions) on another."

Yes Etznab that is correct - he does all the time.

RE: "What is worse is how he tries to pin the responsibility for
all HIS evils onto other people. That is denial and an
immature response, imho."

Yes, too right. But it is far more than only the appearance of an
"immature response" .


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