New book

[d.ma...@littleknownpubs.com]

I also just released a new book: Sukhmani - The Secret of Inner Peace.

I've been working on it for years. It's a new translation of a 400 year old text written by one of the Sikh gurus after Guru Nanak.

What is amazing is to see how closely it aligns with the modern teachings of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and Rahdhasoami. The ties to Eckankar are especially interesting, since the opening lines to the Sukhmani are:

Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad.

This means: "The One Reality--realized through the grace of the True Guru."
Some translations spell it this way:

Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad.

More info here:

http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/

I've been away from A.R.E. for awhile. I hope all well.

Doug.

[JR]

A little Pratyahara never hurt anyone, Doug, who does not use drugs to cheat on themselves in order to enter Kangra Sambha. The true Guru will be recognized by Dharam Raya who will allow the chela at his side to pass into Pratyahara without challenge.

All others will be challenged for their skill or lack of having earned their privilege to pass, This is what is meant by Paul of the Judeo-Christian discipline when he said he died daily. Good to see the parallels you provide, because Eckankar Inc. is not as confining as some members and ex-members would have me believe.

No need to apologize for sharing your presence here for there are a few who have already passed. I did not see Cher pass, but have another or two. There is a long row with chairs here on the line leading up to the judge and we all tell religion jokes while waiting. Your new book should have a good one or two in it as usual.

JR

[Etznab]

Let me see ... What kind of world were people living in 400 years ago?

Umm ... O.K. The world already knew about the Crusades with fighting between Christians and Muslims (even though they try to interpret one of the same books, but in some places don't totally agree) and already knew about the fighting between Hindus and Muslims. Already knew about Catholic priests and Brahman priests whom not everybody enjoyed, or liked. Probably some of the Muslim rulers were not liked either. Maybe the ones who killed so many Hindus.

Umm ... Christians didn't go for an Emperor either. Many of them would rather die for their allegiance to a more "spiritual" person. So it comes as no surprise to me that in India a movement arose in which "spiritual authority" could become more "personal" and not aligned with any secular power. Perhaps it came about by necessity?

Now fast forward to 2014. Are the preachers all saints? No. Are the governments all perfect and non-corrupt? No. So there are now New Age religions with Avatars, a Galactic Federation and all the rest. Perhaps this is the sign of a majority of people discontented and in need of something new? I reckon they need the truth and not more "fairy stories" that will eventually leave them disappointed once again (like when they learn the "Tooth Fairy" is more like a real person that they know.) and the wonderful imaginations evaporate in the light of truth.

I want to again look at the original spelling for Ek Onkar, etc., but also want to try and learn about the time period when those words were written. Something I read inspired me to do this.

[d.ma...@littleknownpubs.com]

Thanks, JR.

Yes, I heard about Cher's passing.

Wouldn't you know it, the world keeps changing.

And I agree with you, that the path of ECK that I know is a continually freeing experience.

Doug.

[d.ma...@littleknownpubs.com]

Etznab,

I give a little bit of the history of Ek Onkar, in my book. The story is not even known by many Sikhs. They believe this is what Guru Nanak gave out at the name for God, but in fact he avoided referring to God by name. He created a symbol, a logo, to indicate God, because he saw religions fighting battles over the name for God.

As you said, there are interesting lessons in these historical cases.

Doug.

[Etznab]

Yes. This sounds interesting. Except I wonder how people knew this about Nanak.

I wonder many things, naturally, because at this point I am not so inclined to accept history about gurus (especially the miraculous stuff) unless I first do some research to try and verify.

It is not clear to me when actually the Mul Mantra was written. Not to mention all the parts of Guru Granth Sahib. I would want to know how it can be proven that the words today are the same words written in the beginning.

On a reference page is the following quote.

"When the fifth Guru, Guru Arjan, was collecting the writings of his predecessor, he discovered that pretenders to the Guruship were releasing forged anthologies of the previous gurus' writings and including their own writings alongside them.[12] In order to prevent spurious scriptures from gaining legitimacy, Guru Arjan began compiling a sacred book for the Sikh community. He finished collecting the religious writings of Guru Ram Das, his immediate predecessor, and convinced Mohan, the son of Guru Amar Das, to give him the collection of the religious writings of the first three Gurus.[12] In addition, he sent disciples to go across the country to find and bring back any previously unknown writings. He also invited members of other religions and contemporary religious writers to submit writings for possible inclusion.[12] Guru Arjan selected hymns for inclusion into the book and Bhai Gurdas acted as his scribe."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Granth_Sahib

I'm considering getting your book to learn if there is something insightful in there, or if more than what is already available on the Net. But I know that it is not easy trying to reconstruct past history about what actually took place and it can be very frustrating. It is easy for the average person to give up trying and just accept one of the various versions that sounds to be the best.

[Kinpa]

Interesting, ill check the new book out Doug...Eckankar continues to be a fine experience imo, and the many folks that have now encountered it by way of me say they are enjoying having experiences...its a fine thing i think...its surprising how many people do not care in the least, at this point in time, about Paul Twitchell's plagiarisms, being that every spiritual path on the planet took from previous teachings and then propelled them into further development and evolution....great stuff! even those that have purposely argued and battled against the path and organization have only provided service to IT, according to newer chelas that continually read things posted here...i find these things enormously interesting...also, ill mention again, there IS a demand forming for The Whole Truth to become an ebook, so i hope you are still considering that, and potentially considering the option for any new books youre involved in writing!

[d.ma...@littleknownpubs.com]

Kinpa,

I'm just getting a chance to read your note.

Thanks for the comments. I am considering creating an ebook of The Whole Truth, and my other books. So, it is good to know that there might be interest.

Right now I'm working on a new book. It will probably keep me busy for the next six months.

Maybe after that, I can look at new ebooks.

Thanks.

Doug.

[Etznab]

"... its surprising how many people do not care in the least, at this point in time, about Paul Twitchell's plagiarisms"

I think there is more than plagiarisms and that may people did, and do care about this. However, I think there are dubious and mixed messages.

For example, a very "KEY" part of the Eckankar teachings is the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master.So if Eck Masters in the past were not living masters, but so many words animated via plagiarism and paraphrase of other people's writings then what does it say about the Eckankar teachings having come from a lineage of living Eck Masters?

One thing I think it says is that a number of people have chosen to end their membership in Eckankar. I don't think the reason is simply plagiarism, but is something more. I think that many people felt it was incumbent upon the current Living Eck Master to explain this. To explain how the Eck Masters can at the same time be both real and animated by words written in Paul Twitchell's library books.

Ford Johnson and others have written personal letters to the Living Eck Master asking for, begging for and explanation. And to my knowledge the answer is dubious at best. The answer is that the Eck Masters are real and because so many people have had experiences with them.

Granted, people have had experiences. Including people who have personally had a chance to count and observe the copious amounts of plagiarisms coming out the mouth of so many alleged Eck Masters.

This is not a message post to bash anybody here on this group. If it sounds critical that is due to the nature of the subject along with the many real historical examples. I did not write the Eckankar books. It was not me who told the stories about Eck Masters, or who plagiarized from other people's works and referenced Eck Masters as the source. It wasn't me who created these events, but at the same time I am at liberty to mention them, to discuss, explore and ask questions about them. That is all this is on my part.

In my opinion it was not simply plagiarisms and borrowing that caused many people to leave Eckankar; including several who were long-time members and clergy. Rather it was this combined with the fact that people people could no longer trust the Living Eck Master, the organization, or the membership. In other words it became a matter of credibility. People simply did not want to be fooled again.

[Kinpa]

i have yet to see anyone actually prove that anyone was fooled to begin with.The thing you might want to keep in mind is that plagiarism and any other factor about Eckankar, says absolutely NOTHING about the truth, or lack thereof of this lineage of Vairagi Masters...how do i know? my own personal experiences, where these individuals have given me most direct knowledge about many things i needed to deal with...personally, they have yet to lead me astray in any way....also, they simply are NOT the creation of my own mental faculties, although i AM quite aware of the reasoning in this direction that many former students claim to be the case...that is fine, it makes little difference what reasons anyone decided to leave for, the fact remains that i have yet to personally speak to a single person that cares even slightly about plagiarisms, just to name the issue others have, off the top of my head.....the methods WORK, it just THAT simple really...they work for me, and for a great many others also...i WILL however admit that they arent likely to work for everyone, but what ever does? nothing~! everyone is different and therefore no one method will ever have the same specific results for every individual that tries it, however, i know of many that use them in a creative manner and find that when they do this, it does work for them, all that i can do is to recommend that others make the actual effort and try it for themselves rather than adopting attitudes and opinions based on mental "facts", because often those so called facts are only factual in appearance, but if any were to actually step inside of it and have a look at ALL of the factors pertaining to it, the story changes quite a lot from what one originally assumed it to be.

Many have a problem with the status of Harold admitting that PT plagiarized...i doubt that will ever happen as that would lead to lawsuits over the issue, Hazrat Inayat Khan being one of the authors that this pertains to....Eckankar simply will never claim that he is in any way, or was in part, an ECK Master named Sudar Singh....there are just SO many individuals in India that carry the last name Singh that honestly it becomes ridiculous to insist that it meant Kirpal, or Sawan, or anyone else. That is pure assumption and no more than that. the proof simply doesnt exist anywhere, it is an assumption on everyone's part the way things stand at present, those that believe what Eckankar says as well as those that dont and completely oppose it....so what? no one REALLY cares a whole lot, life goes on and it has at this point...no one HAS to accept things the way they are in Eckankar, anyone is free to leave the teachings, there are no chains, but the fact that many actually KNOW fully about all of the plagiarisms and everything else, and trust me, there are MANY that know full well about Kirpal and Sawan Singh, as well as Radhasoami Agra and Beas, Inayat Khan, Neville Goddard, and all of the rest. Many simply dont care in the least.....i also know of a great many individuals that have had actual experience with these Masters that so many claim are a fiction created by Paul, but this keeps happening, in my area of experience it seems to actually be increasing, as are the numbers of people who join the teachings....and not a single one of them is the least bit concerned if any former students think them idiots for buying into it, they have their experiences and they grow, its a very simple equation, and it is the very same equation that Paul Twitchell advertised to begin with, it simply works. It is not, and never was, the ONLY way of course, but it IS, in my experience at least, the most direct, or fastest if you like, and for those who disagree, thats fine, you see it your way, and i'll go on DOING things my own way, there is PLENTY of room for everyone the way I see it lol...

[Kinpa]

i hope you WILL consider that, as i know of several who would like electronic access to that book in particular, it WILL sell!

[Kinpa]

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i assume you meant to say that MANY people did and do care about plagiarism? that may be, but overall they are a minority, and those folks while welcomed to have their own opinions for whichever reasons, have no effect on others who are interested in gaining their own direct, spiritual, inner experiences, both with and without the ECK Masters...how do i know? i ask people, and speak to them about it on a literally daily basis....and while my own opinion/perception of things obviously does not and cannot cover everyone in the world, it is the case for the individuals i have spoken with on the matter...in fact my way of speaking about Eckankar and its principles openly admits to PT's plagiarisms, and then goes on to use those other author's individual works to be an example of the point being made....and as ive said, ive yet to have a single person complain about it, in fact, many make the choice to go forward and become chelas of Eckankar, purely on their own volition and at absolutely no benefit to myself...
Of course there are more of what some call "issues" beyond plagiarism, but i'm not seeing how this is an actual problem for anyone, being that each certainly DOES have their own free will to discern with, for better or for worse...that is entirely up to them of course, and makes no difference to me either way....yet despite this, they continue to return looking for more information, so as far as that goes i choose to let it be as it is...and yes i agree there are dubious/mixed messages, however, THAT is in my opinion more due to any given individual's ways of perceiving than to anything else, and again, this is also a matter of free will...they always have the option of looking further and deeper into whatever question/issue they feel they are confronted with/by....in the end that becomes only a personal problem for the individual, and while inner guidance IS offered, no one can force another to accept what they find, that is also the individual's choice....has not one thing to do with anyone other than that individual themselves, it isnt the LEM's responsibility or problem, nor is it that of any other Masters.....to have results one needs simply to actually DO the work....in many cases those that get huffy about this factor are often lazy about it, but, they CAN be if they CHOOSE to be, not a problem, but one SHOULD be able to recognize and admit this to themselves if it should happen, otherwise they are screaming and flailing at a brick wall, and having exactly that amount of an effect....just my own view of this of course, and this does NOT speak for %100 of the individuals that might be considered a part of this "grouping"....ive been there hundreds of times myself, so i am quite familiar with it, but i am also familiar with the ways i came to a greater degree of understanding, usually being quite surprised at what i found to bring that about in my own state of consciousness.....all others ARE free to see it in whatever way they prefer to, no argument from me ;)

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okay, this "key" part you speak of.....you allege that all past ECK Masters didnt exist and are just creations of Paul Twitchell....i would like to know how this is a fact and NOT pure assumption....plagiarism proves no such thing, for just one....but if im missing something i would appreciate it if you would explain very clearly and specifically as to what PROVES this to be the case as opposed to being a simple assumption, if you would, you chose to use those words so before responding i think it best to clarify how this view originates, and based on which pieces of evidence, if you do not mind...

Plagiarisms and paraphrasing exist, i do not deny that, however, that is nowhere near good enough to be used as evidence that the past Masters do not, and never did exist, it only proves that Paul Twitchell did the plagiarizing and paraphrasing...the other concept is not necessarily, in any way, related, therefore i will require more evidence before i can accept that statement as having any basis in fact...skepticism works BOTH ways you see?

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It MAY say that, concerning people leaving because of it (plagiarism) BUT the part where you "think" i.e. assume is something more IS all your own, let's be very clear about this to begin with. You, like anyone else have/has the right to think of it in those terms, but, others also have just as much of a right to see it differently or to not arrive at the same conclusions you do.....BOTH are NOT arrived at due to facts that PROVE it to be the case...its that same way for anyone, both sides included equally...

Many people may FEEL or THINK that it is the LEM's job/responsibility to explain this in a better way, BUT, those are opinions and not one thing more, its just as simple as that...we ALL want things that we never do get, life simply is that way...as to whether or not the LEM is trustworthy do to anyone's expectations, varies from person to person, there simply is NO standard for this, so it is foolish to NOT recognize that FACT. Judging based on this reasoning is not at all the same as knowing or understanding the reality of it, and this situation of a person being held down by the expectations of the masses(defined as any particular group or another) is a school child's problem, in the 80's in America they called it "peer pressure" and this is that exact same thing...personally, i dont give a whit about anyone else's opinions or demands that i should adopt their point of view or i am somehow less intelligent than they...and i DO believe that this IS the literal definition of what PT called the "cliffhanger." so, what i mean to say is, SO WHAT? dont like his answers, you can leave, there are no chains around anyone's wrists or ankles...by the same token, if you want to UNDERSTAND his answer, then investigate it, and of course here is the rub, "go within"....but what is the trouble here??? it seems to be that most simply arent able to go within and bring any recollection of it back to the outer world, much less to have any understanding of what it might have meant....now at this point i admit freely, that that was MY own assumption, and i dont doubt that there are many cases where that doesnt apply, not a problem...there seems to be a lot of "framing" going on....i remember Sean making many points about framing a few years ago....it seems to me to be not the worst of ideas to always consider that the way we frame a question or point of view on an issue is not necessarily always the truest or most honestly realistic one to go by, i apply this standard to your words AND my own, but ultimately, it becomes yet another decision that each individual must make for themselves. Discernment is an obvious necessity, and while i have opinions about my own as well as that of others, ill hold my tongue because i am well aware that i do NOT know everything myself....i can only HOPE that everyone else realizes this FACT and can apply it to their own argument also ;)

as for ECK Masters being at the same time "both real and animated" what is the problem here? that is a simple fact of reality from the human perspective, regardless of what situation or context you look upon. Ego simply does that, in ALL cases, "animates" things due to its own way of perceiving them, which much of the time can turn out to be not true, for me, you, and everyone else in the world....therefore, what is the problem? someone has trouble dealing with it? if so then they have missed the actual point of the phrase "go within" and are seemingly entrenched in ONLY the physical world view of things.....perhaps consider expanding this view to be more inclusive of reality....lol that is the best suggestion i can offer, and i say it to you based only on the way you spoke that paragraph, it isnt meant in a personal or blameful way, i am well aware of the things that groups of former students say, the ways they see things, and the charges some make against the LEM, and for this reason i speak to all of that the best i can at the moment....

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you and they MAY see that as a dubious answer, but, lets look at that. the question itself is one that seems to demand some sort of physical proof, and that is a ridiculous request...why? because it is a request made by one who simply does NOT balance inner/outer life, for if they did, they would already know that there is no physical proof of ANY spiritual statement, maxim, rule, or allegation...how can there be? when the truly spiritual is NOT a physical thing...the goal is SUPPOSED to be bringing balance to ALL of the inner levels of consciousness/experience with the mundane outer world of experience....THAT goal is FAR more important than whether or not there is a Vairagi order or whether or not ANY of the past Masters ever actually existed....but that fact isnt being noticed because of the attention being put on the demand for physical proof and the desire to know exactly WHAT was the case for PT when he wrote his books...did he create them or not? it IS understandable to WANT to know the answer to that, but is it THAT important overall? when compared to spiritual experience and expansion of consciousness, which is of greater value?

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I agree %100....i have met many...for just one example, i know a woman who is NOT an ECKist, and yet has been being visited by an inner Master entity that she has always called the Nameless one, him being SO ancient that his name was long forgotten.....whats funny is that his description specifically matches that of Lai-Tsi.....after awhile she claims that she was told to call him by THAT name....seeing the point here? many of the names of the ECK Masters may NOT be their actual names...so what? that doesnt mean that they DONT or never did physically exist....and, does anyone care if they are NOW going by the names that PT used? wouldnt that be that individual Master's choice? why would he owe you, me, or anyone else an explanation of why that is or why he/she chose to do that? THEY DONT! but at the very least its sort of naive to NOT include that particular possibility in the mix of things going on with the question of "Are the ECK Masters real?" i have never seen anyone say anything about this possibility here or anywhere else....im sure im not the genius of the world, so therefore someone else MUST have had this option occur to them too, somewhere lol....just one possibility, im sure there are a great many more besides that one... about plagiarisms, that really is NOT an issue, being that every holy book has plagiarisms from an earlier religion contained within it in one form or another....Judaism loves to claim itself to be the first monotheistic religion the world has ever seen, but that isnt true, as Zoroastrianism came long before it, but Alexander burned their library which made the one at Alexandria look like a shed in the backyard....Hinduism is also actually a monotheistic religion, and most dont understand that the 33,000 gods and goddesses are all merely ASPECTS of the One God....this sort of thing and all of its challenges and questionings have happened in most religions, they are by NO means new and exclusive to Eckankar...

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I have no problem with that at all, and i didnt mean to sound negative in any way towards you, personally, so i hope i was able to make that clear....and while it IS you who are at liberty to mention all of these things, are you certain that Harold Klemp might NOT be at liberty to hand out an explanation about it? no one seems to have considered that possibility either, so i WILL expose that as a possibility, and potentially a very good one too, like it or lump it, that is each individual's choice of which lol

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Thats fine and understood, however, on the other side of that same thing, did any of those people have any right to expect things to have been done differently? not necessarily, and if they CHOOSE to no longer trust ANYONE, that IS their right, but in the end, so what? have at it then! everyone else STILL has just as much of a right to see all of those things differently, and many do...but they dont all necessarily think they are better or smarter than one who disagrees, and by the comments made by former students that have left, they most often DO feel they are so much smarter than those that remain as ECKists, and THAT literally IS amusing, but, they DO have the right if they so wish, i wont ever try to deny them that, i say go ahead and enjoy yourselves, not a problem!
:o)

[Etznab]

[Kinpa]

Other than yourself and sean of course, but the fact remains the same, and people continue to ask me about Eckankar as well as to join while stating that they do not at all care about plagiarisms.....apparently only the folks on your side of the aisle find that to be of any import....such happens, that is life...one could just as easily ask you why whether or not a thing was plagiarised is so important, and why does that carry more import than the usefullness of the information itself? Information cannot be owned, regardless of copyrights and book deals, anyone can take the info from one book and freely write another using it...

[Kinpa]

On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 12:02:51 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

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> THIS ISN'T AQ FACT BY THE FUCK WIT -- "but the fact remains the same, and

> people continue to ask me about Eckankar as well as to join while stating

> that they do not at all care about plagiarisms..." IT'S A LIE BY AN IDIOT
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No, it is not at all a lie, why don;t you prove to me that it's a lie then?? What do you have sean? the usual? nothing? your opinion doies not come even close to making fact, however i have a great many persons who are willing to tell you otherwise...

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> Don't care about WHAT plagiarisms .. the DOUG MARMAN LYING it's less than 2%
> when really it is 98% ????????????????
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Prove that it is %98....i see a lot of talk, but absolutely NO proof of ANY kind!

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> Fucking Plagiarisms my ass, more like VERBATIM PIRACY OF OTHERS WORKS = PRIMA
> FACIE COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT
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> YES COPYRIGHT HOLDERS DID SUE ECKANKAR IN THE 1970S AND 1980S AND ECKANKAR
> PAID UP BIG TIME IN CASH AND TOOK MULITPLE TITLES OUT OF PRINT.
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> PAUL TWITCHELL THE LYING ECK MASTER - NEVER RECORDS A SINGLE WORD BY ANY IONNER SPIRITUAL GUIDE IN ANY OF HIS ECKANAKR BOOKS .... IT'S RON HUBBARD OF SCIENTOLOGY HE IS CHANNELLING - OR THE MARQUIS DE SADE, OR HAANEL, OR BLAVATSKY, OR ANNIE BESANT, OR THE BIBLE, OR RADHASOAMI MAT PRAKASH FROM 1986, OR AN AMERICAN PLAYWRITE, OR A TIBETAN BUDDHIST BOOK COVER WITH A WHEEL ON IT THAT HE GETS COPIED AND THEN CALLS IT THE GRANDIOSE ECK VIYDYA WHEEEL.
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> PAUL TWITCHELL AND HAROLD KLEMP ARE BOTH MEGALOMANIAC LIARS AND MANIPULATORS WHO HAVE BEEN SCAMMING WELL MEANING HONEST PEOPLE OF THEIR MONEY FOR 50 YEARS; AND
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> ASSHOLES LIKE MATT SHARPE LIE DIRECT TO THE FACE OR PROSPECTIVE RECRUITS AND HERE ON A.R.E. NON-STOP TRYING TO SHORE UP THEIR OWN DELUSIONAL INSANITIES AND EGO-MANIC HORSESHIT.
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Again with absolutely NO proof, just claims from the windbag!
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> ALL ECKANKAR BOOKS ARE PLAGIARISED AND/OR COPIED VERBATIM FROM OTHER BOOKS
> ECKNAKR IS A LIE - TWITCHELL WAS A LIAR AND KLEMP STILL IS TODAY
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Then why is it that you have been utterly unable to, thus far, prove this claim?????? we're till waiting seanella!
> AND KINPA IS A LOW LIFE FRAUD; A LIAR; AND FUCKING DEFAMATORY CUNT

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[Kinpa]

On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 12:02:51 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> AND KINPA IS A LOW LIFE FRAUD; A LIAR; AND FUCKING DEFAMATORY CUNT

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Show proof seanella, why is it that you refuse to do that? is that because defamation is and has always been YOUR game/intent??? why yes, this is quite obvious by now, after all of these years.....your jealousy betrays you...tsk tsk tsk....perhaps one day you will be able to deal with it in a more positive way....the attacking nature of all of your words says much about you, not that anyone who reads here didn't already know your story long ago....

[Kinpa]

On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 11:18:27 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> prove this claim??????
> Show proof seanella,

> why don;t you prove to me that it's a lie then??

> .i see a lot of talk, but absolutely NO proof of ANY kind!

> absolutely NO proof, just claims

> prove this claim??????
> Show proof seanella,

> why don;t you prove to me that it's a lie then??

> .i see a lot of talk, but absolutely NO proof of ANY kind!

> absolutely NO proof, just claims

> prove this claim??????
> Show proof seanella,

> why don;t you prove to me that it's a lie then??

> .i see a lot of talk, but absolutely NO proof of ANY kind!

> absolutely NO proof, just claims

> prove this claim??????
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> WAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH SHOW ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME THE PROOF!!!
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> EVERY WHERE EVERY WHERE ALL OVER AND AROUND EVERY WHERE ......
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> TWITCHELL'S COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENTS AND PLAGIARISMS AND VERBATIM COPYING PROVES
> HE WAS A LIAR - TWITCHELL LIED TO HIS READERS AND EVERY ONE - NON STOP - YOU TOO
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> NO ONE TURNING UP IN APARTMENTS ANYTIME NOT DICTATING THE LATEST CONTENTS OF A
> BOOK BORROWED FROM THE LIBRARY BEING RE-TYPED (RT) OUT ON HIS ROYAL TYPEWRITER (RT)
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> TWITCHELL'S LIES ABOUT HIS OWN LIFE PROVE HE WAS A LIAR
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> TWITCHELL'S CHANGES PROVES TWITCHELL WAS A LIAR ...
>
> TWITCHELL LIED ABOUT KIRPAL SINGH - PREMANANDA - HUBBARD - THE NAVY -
> BAGHAT SINGH THIND - HIS MOTHER n GRANDMOTHER - HIMSELF
>
> TWITCHELL LIED WHEN HE SAID RT SAID THIS AND THAT IN DWTM, TFC, SKS, TTF, AND ALL THAT JAZZ LIKE SPIRITUAL NOTEBOOK .... ALL WAS COPIED
>
> FROM THEOSOPHY, FREEMASONARY, NEW THOUGHT, RADHASOAOMI, KRIYA YOGA, PHYSICISTS, ROMANCE NOVELS, PLAYS, MARQUIS DE SADE, HUBBARD & SCIENTOLOGY, HINDU SANTANA DHARMA, BUDDHIST, SUFIS, OCCULT, CROWLEY, GNOSTICS NONE OF WHICH WAS SAID BY AN ECK MASTER IN TWITCHELL'S BOOKS AND DISCOURSES ..... ALL BULLSHIT BY TWITCHELL ....
>
> The major AUTHORS who were Plagiarized repeatedly by Twitchell include:
>
> New Thought Movement & Christian Science & Masons & Theosophy new age streams
> Thomas Troward
> Joel S. Goldsmith (1948-64 Christian science)
> Neville Goddard
> Charles F. Haanel
> Alexander McIvor-Tyndall (Ali Nomad)
> Paul Brunton
> Talbot Mundy
> Helena Blavatsky
> Annie Besant
> Walter Evans-Wentz
> Swami Vivekananda
> Meher Baba
> Walter Terence Stace
> Manly Palmer Hall
> Walter Russell
> Edourd (Edward) Schure
> Col. James Churchward
> L. Ron Hubbard
> and also Brown Landone and Robert Munroe
>
> Radhasoami & Sant Mat authors with Sikh, Sufi, Naam Bhakti, Shabd Yoga,& Hindu roots
>
> Shiv Dayal Singh Seth - Soamiji
> Dr. Julian Johnson
> Rai Salig Ram
> Madhav Prasad Sinha
> Sant Kirpal Singh
> Baba Sawan Singh
> Hazrat Inayat Khan
>
> OR THE LONGER LISTING OF AUTHORS BEING CHERRY PICKED N COPIED VERBATIM in Books and Discourses.
>
> Julian Johnson
> Talbot Mundy
> Walter Russell
> Ali Nomad (alias of Dr. Alexander J. McIvor-Tyndall)
> Thomas Merton
> Kirpal Singh
> Shiv Dayal Singh
> Robert Graves
> Christmas Humphreys or EA Burtt
> Neville Goddard (NTM)
> Talbot Mundy (Novelist/Occult)
> L. Ron Hubbard (NTM/Occult)
> Joel S. Goldsmith (NTM)
> WT Stace (Philosophy of Mysticism)
> Seng Ts'an (Buddhist)
> Christmas Humphreys (Buddhist)
> EA Burtt' (Buddhist)
> Julian Johnson
> Shiv Dayal Singh
> Sardar Sewa Singh
> Thomas Troward
> Julian Johnson
> Hazrat Inayat Khan
> Hazur Maharaj, Rai Saligram 2nd SSG RS Agra
> Swami Abhedananda
> Bible KJB
> L Bolton
> A S Eddington x 3
> Sir James Jeans x 2
> Julian Johnson x 2
> Ali Nomad (Dr. Alexander J. McIvor-Tyndall)
> Hazur Maharaj Rai Saligram 2nd SSG RS Agra
> Charles F. Haanel
> Heinrich Robert Zimmer
> Harriette Augusta Curtiss x 2
> Brown Landone
> Willard L. Russell
> Paul Twitchell as Ruhani Initiate Ananai article
> Anton T. Boisen
> H. Rider Haggard
> Joel S. Goldsmith
> Paul Brunton
> Shiv Dayal Singh (Soamiji)
> Kirpal Singh
> Charles F. Haanel
> Hazur Maharaj, Rai Saligram 2nd SSG RS Agra
> The Christian Bible
> Julian Johnson
> Swami Vivekananda
> Neville Goddard
> Kirpal Singh
> Hazrat Inayat Khan
> Col. James Churchward (Mason)
> Julian Johnson
> Carl Gustav Jung
> Vardis Fisher
> Edourd (Edward) Schure
> W. Y. Evans-Wentz
> Lama Anagarika Govinda
> P. D. Ospensky
> The Bible
> Vera Stanley Adler
> Inner planes levels, hierarchy, and Initiation system
> also major similarities with THEOSOPHICAL Society
> texts, Annie Besant, AA Bailey, and Rosicrucian.
> Closer to them that the RS systems, although in the
> beginning of Eckankar they much closer to RS.
> Twitchell changed all this from 1969 onwards.
> Try comparing the Theosophical Glossary and
> Johnson's terminology with Paul's terminology
> http://dlane5.tripod.com/febeck97.html (See TKTSW)
> H.P. Blavatsky
> F Homer Curtiss
> Manly Palmer Hall (Mystic Astrologer Mason)
> Julian Johnson
> Tibetan chakras - Bhachacarya Wheel
> and Symbols the potter etc
> Julian Johnson
> L. Ron Hubbard
> Lavelle
> L Ron Hubbard
> Meher Baba
> Harry and Bonaro Overstreet
> Max Eastman
> PLUS
> James Jeans
> Maurice Maeterlinck
> Manly P. Hall
> E.A. Milne
> George Grant,
> JOSEPH COLLINS
> Emmet Fox etc
> Dr. Julian Johnson - RS Beas
> Henri Bergson - Philosopher
> Joel S. Goldsmith
> Boorstin
> The Varieties of Religious Experience, by William James (;1842-1910) father of American psychology
> Ouspensky's The Fourth Way and In Search of the Miraculous ;(1878-1947) met Gurdjieff in 1915
> The Art of Teaching, by Gilbert Highet, which was used extensively in Paul's Spiritual Instructions for the ECK Satsang Classes
>
>
> ECK MASTERS ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> NONE ... ZERO.

You still have not shown ANY proof of anything...perhaps if you continue whining about it endlessly online it will become true.....or not! How has that worked out for you for the last decade and a half? Not too well it seems....endlessly amusing however...

[Kinpa]

On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 11:01:59 PM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> THE MENTAL CASE MATT SHARPE SAYS:
>
> "Prove that it is %98....i see a lot of talk, but absolutely NO proof of ANY kind!" AND

>
> "You still have not shown ANY proof of anything..."
>

> ALREADY HAVE PROVED IT JACK ARESE ... FUCK YOU .. YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY DO .. SO FUCK YOURSELF COCKSUCKER ....
>
> ALREADY SENT OFF TO SEVERAL JUSTICE DEPTS IN THE WEST INCLUDING THE USA SO FUCK YOU JERK OFF.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
You have sent not ONE thing to ANY justice dept. in ANY country, that proves that YOU are at least as much of a liar as you claim that Paul Twitchell was! DEAL WITH IT LITTLE MAN!!! HA~!!!

You're a joke!





>
> Jerk off says:
>
> "Again with absolutely NO proof, just claims from the windbag!"
>
> PROOF IS EVERYWHERE JACK ASS LYING SCUM BAG - PROOF IS ALL AROUND FUCK WIT -
>
> YOU'RE A LYING WHORE MATT SHARPE - PROOF IS EVERYWHERE AND ALL AROUND
>
> FUCK WIT STILL TRIES AGAIN

> "Show proof seanella, why is it that you refuse to do that?"
>

> I AM MATTHEW M SHARPE AKA KINPA AND I AM AN ECKIST AND A FUCKING IDIOT
> AND I PROMOTE ECKANKAR HERE http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/blogs/shabda-preceptor
> FUCK OFF YOU LOW LIFE LYING SCUMBAG
>
>
>
> MATTHEW SHARPE YOU ARE A PSYCHOTIC DUMB FUCK
>
> TURNED INTO A DELUSIONAL PSYCHOPATHIC IDIOT
>
> KINPA YOU'RE A FUCKING COMPULSIVE LIAR
>
> A LOSER
>
> A LOW LIFE SLEAZY LITTLE SHIT
>
> A SLANDEROUS PIG
>
> A LYING DOG
>
> A FUCKING COWARD
>
> A WORTHLESS TROLL and
>
> A FUCK WIT !!!
>
> YOU REFUSE TO HAVE A BRAIN DEAD HEAD - FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF and FUCK OFF
>
> FRY FRY FRY GOES THE VOODOO DOLL ON THE BURNERS ... SIZZLE AND MELT - THE KINPA BURGER !!!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinpa is fine, it is YOU that is having trouble with my existence, but that is simply too bad for you, I am not going away, and there is NOTHING that you can do about that! Your names bore me, is that seriously all you have???? Worthless and weak, yet again!

[Kinpa]

On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 11:49:22 PM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> kinpa says something - it must be true -- what a dumb fuck you are -- a total delusional fuckwit
>
> MATT SHARPE HAS AN IMAGINARY THOUGHT PASSING THREOUGH HIS PSYCHOTIC MIND -- OF FUCK IT MUST BE TRUE .... THE MAN IS A GENIUS AT SELF-DELUSIONS

>
> I AM MATTHEW M SHARPE AKA KINPA AND I AM AN ECKIST AND A FUCKING IDIOT
> AND I PROMOTE ECKANKAR HERE http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/blogs/shabda-preceptor
> FUCK OFF YOU LOW LIFE LYING SCUMBAG
>
>
>
> MATTHEW SHARPE YOU ARE A PSYCHOTIC DUMB FUCK
>
> TURNED INTO A DELUSIONAL PSYCHOPATHIC IDIOT
>
> KINPA YOU'RE A FUCKING COMPULSIVE LIAR
>
> A LOSER
>
> A LOW LIFE SLEAZY LITTLE SHIT
>
> A SLANDEROUS PIG
>
> A LYING DOG
>
> A FUCKING COWARD
>
> A WORTHLESS TROLL and
>
> A FUCK WIT !!!
>

> ------
>
> ACCURATE HISTORICAL RECORDS HAVE BEEN SENT ALL OVER THE WORLD REGARDING
> ECKANKAR TO GOVTS JUSTICE DEPTS, ATTORNEYS GENERAL; ELECTED POLITICIANS;
> AND CORONER COURTS AND WIKILEAKS AND OTHER SUCH SITES FOR FUTURE USE AND
> PROTECTION IN THE MEANTIME.
>
> TWITCHELL WAS A LIAR AND A FRAUD - KLEMP IS A PROVEN LIAR UNDER OATH AND A FRUAD
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

So you say, however no such court or jurisdiction ANYWHERE admits to having ever recieved them! OOPS! There simply is NOTHING you can do about that, so get over yourself! Eckankar is not illegal in any nation on earth, and nothing you do or say will ever change that! SO NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE??? NOTHING! Dream on seanella!

[Kinpa]

On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 3:15:00 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> ----------------
>
>
> FUCK OFF!

NO!

[Kinpa]

On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 9:07:02 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> ------------------------
>
> THE FUCK WIT AGAIN PROVES WHAT A TOTAL IDIOT HE IS:

> "So you say, however no such court or jurisdiction ANYWHERE admits to having
> ever recieved them! OOPS!"

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong yet again seanella, so keep showing what an IDIOT YOU are! I've been enjoying this! ALL talk and NO proof! As always!

>
> MAN, HOW FUCKING DUMB AND STUPID CAN YOU POSSIBLY GET?
> YOU'VE PHONED OR EMAILED THEM ALL?
> LIKE THEY WOULD FUCKING TELL YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE ANYWAY?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I have, and why on earth wouldn't they IF they had such a preponderance of evidence as YOU claim??? You are full of shit! But by all means prove me wrong!

>
> YOU A TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT SHARPE ... YOU CANNOT EVEN PRETEND TO BE CLEVER ..
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong again seanella! I have no need to pretend, i AM far more clever than you have ever been in your life, you drunken husk of a human being! Stop talking and take action! Well? where is it???

>
> "Eckankar is not illegal in any nation on earth, and nothing you do or say
> will ever change that! SO NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE???"
>

> ENOUGH TO SEND IT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE METAPHORICAL SEA AND KICKED OFF EVERY
> LIST OF NON-PROFIT RELIGIOUS ORGANISATIONS/RELIGIONS IN THE WESTERN WORLD -
> STARTING WITH THE USA & AUSTRALIA - DOMINO EFFECT FOLLOWS - THAT'S WHAT I HAVE
> COMPILED YOU DUMB ASSHOLE.
>
> NOW, FUCK OFF !!

------------------------------------------------------
No, you do NOT have anything. All you have are delusions. But I can hardly wait to see you make even ONE of your claims real! Get to it already! Talk is cheap, but talk is ALL that you have! You will never cause Eckankar to be made illegal, the very idea is ridiculous! Somehow YOU think that saying that does NOT make you an idiot? You had better wake up there bucko!

[Etznab]

Many people (according to you) don't care about plagiarisms because every path on the planet took from previous teachings?

This is an example of sweeping statements, etc., by you after you started coming to a.r.e. again.

[Etznab]

On Sunday, June 15, 2014 at 7:50:25 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

The fact also remains that you know of, have known of, and continue to know of people who care more than slightly about the plagiarisms, etc. Yet, you wrote the following and clarified it as fact.

"the fact remains that i have yet to personally speak to a single person that cares even slightly about plagiarisms,"

Then, about creation of fictional masters using plagiarized and paraphrased text from other writers?

I don't believe you can speak for everybody and the fact remains there will be those unaware of all the plagiarisms (including yourself) and pseudo history / religion; and you have not talked with everybody personally, or not.

In sum, it looks like your opinions are being inflated to appear as if sweeping statements of fact.

Your not the Eckankar P.R. person are you?

[Henosis Sage]

RE: "i have yet to see anyone actually prove that anyone was fooled to begin with."

HE'S REAL OBSESSED WITH REPEATING THIS MANTRA - "YET TO SEE ANYONE PROVE THAT" BS COMMENT

THAT SO IRRATIONAL A DENIAL AND SO STUPID BASICALLY, I DON'T SEE THE POINT OF SAYING A THING.

RE: " Many have a problem with the status of Harold admitting that PT

plagiarized...i doubt that will ever happen as that would lead to lawsuits
over the issue, "

NOW THAT'S JUST TOO FUNNY TOO.

RE: " an ECK Master named Sudar Singh...."

WOULD OR SHOULD BE A FEMALE .... POOR PAUL.

RE: "there are just SO many individuals in India that carry the last name

Singh that honestly it becomes ridiculous to insist that it meant Kirpal,
or Sawan, or anyone else. That is pure assumption and no more than that.
the proof simply doesnt exist anywhere,"

THERE'S THAT PROOF BUSINESS AGAIN .... AND THE RANK INSISTENCE ON DENYING
THE LITANY OF FACTS AND THE SELF-EVIDENT "PROOFS" EVERYWHERE -- BUT HOW HE CAN'T SEE ANY OF IT "anywhere".

DENIAL WILL DO THAT TO A PERSON .... PEOPLE CAN BECOME AS BLIND AS A BAT
AND DEAF AS A DOOR POST..... LIKE OUR MATT HERE, AND OF COURSE MARMAN ESPECIALLY.

------

RE: "the fact remains that i have yet to personally speak to a single

person that cares even slightly about plagiarisms,"

HE MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE PEOPLE HE HAS SPOKEN TO HERE OVER THE YEARS,
THE ENDLESS STREAMS OF POSTS BY PEOPLE HERE AND ALL OVER WHO OBVIOUSLY DID
CARE VERY MUCH MORE THAN SLIGHTLY ABOUT PLAGIARISM ...

MAYBE THE RATIONALE IS THAT, WELL THEY ARE NOT HERE NOW AND SO THEY NEVER EXISTED -- APPLY THAT LOGIC TO HIS ALTERNATIVE CERTAINTY ABOUT TWITCHELL'S
ECK MASTERS.

YET LIKE HAROLD AND MARMAN AND TWITCHELL HE KEEPS ON LYING ABOUT IT, DENYING
IT EVER HAPPENED .. IN MATT'S SCREWED UP DELUSIONAL REALITY IT'S ONLY EVER:
- "the fact remains that i have yet to personally speak to a single

person that cares even slightly about plagiarisms,"

AND ABOVE ALL IT'S A ***FACT*** HE SAYS .... UMMMMM, THAT'S ONE WEIRDO "FACT"

WHEN IN FACT IT IS A FANTASY - A DELUSIONAL BELIEF - OR A TOTALLY INTENTIONAL LIE

HOWEVER ...........
Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pervasive grandiosity, an extreme desire for attention, a sense of entitlement, a willingness to exploit or mistreat others, an excessive need for admiration and a lack of empathy.

Yet narcissists can be fragile too and prone to outbursts of humiliated rage. Their grandiose self-beliefs are built on foundations as solid as quicksand, hence the need for constant admiration and attention, shoring up their unstable sense of self.

As the co-author of a recent study, Brad Bushman, explains, narcissism is the claim that you are superior to other people. From this core belief, bad things flow.

"I've been studying aggression for about 30 years," says Bushman, "and I've seen that the most harmful belief that a person can have is that they're superior to others."

Narcissists "fantasise about personal successes and believe they deserve special treatment. When they feel humiliated, they often lash out aggressively or even violently."

(SHRUG)

[Etznab]

"... Your not the Eckankar P.R. person are you?"

And after that Kinpa had nothing further to say on this thread?

Why did Etznab ask whether Kinpa was the Eckankar P.R. person?

Look at the posts on this thread and the words that Kinpa used.

So that is why.

[Henosis Sage]

2014-06-16 KINPA - Matthew Sharpe wrote to Doug Marman:

"i hope you WILL consider that, as i know of several who would
like electronic access to that book in particular, it WILL sell!"

He sure did know "several"!!!

Not only would "it sell" but will walk out the door when provided as
a FREE DOWNLOAD on the Light Force Network website.

And there it was showing up on the LFN in 2015 ... evidence recorded and saved.

But hey, that's all KOSHER and good, because Matthew has his "written
permission" from the author and publisher to do that.

And if this is what Marman has AGREED to this then that's his freedom
and his own choice who he chooses to be physically and psychically
connected to in his life.

Cheers

[Henosis Sage]

On Monday, 11 January 2016 02:33:38 UTC+11, Kinpa wrote:

> Aww poor wittle sean is angry today! Making more accusations he cannot prove. For example, that there is even a single book that is free for download at LFN, a place he has not entered to look at even one time....typical. Why is it that you make SO many comments on YOUR OPINION of what others do, and then you NEVER look at your own choices?

---

Aww poor wittle matthew agitated by sean-o is he?

Making more accusations about me he cannot prove... PROVE I AM ANGRY ASSHAT

RE: "there is even a single book that is free for download at LFN"

IF what you claim is true then you have nothing to be worried about or BITCH about here.

You already said you were a "clean skin" so what's ya problem asshat?

RE: "a place he has not entered to look at even one time"

AND AGAIN, IF that is true then what's YA problem ----

and WHY DID YOU ACCUSE ME OF STALKING THE LFN IF I HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN THERE????

HA .... typical .... non stop lying twisting and squirming and sliming by the asshat

Why is it ASSHAT that you make SO many comments on YOUR OPINION of what
I DO, and what YOU FALSELY CLAIM I DO, and then you NEVER look at your
own choices?

Yeah, why is that ASSHAT?

Got a clue???

[Henosis Sage]

On Monday, 11 January 2016 04:04:08 UTC+11, Kinpa wrote:

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I don't need to, you have been doing that for some time now, all by yourself

>
>
>
>
> > RE: "there is even a single book that is free for download at LFN"
> >
> > IF what you claim is true then you have nothing to be worried about or BITCH about here.
> >
> > You already said you were a "clean skin" so what's ya problem asshat?

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I think you ought to look why are YOU so upset by all of this!

>
>
>
> > RE: "a place he has not entered to look at even one time"
> >
> > AND AGAIN, IF that is true then what's YA problem ----
> >
> > and WHY DID YOU ACCUSE ME OF STALKING THE LFN IF I HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN THERE????

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> This is really very very simple, not that common sense has ever been your forte, but, if you'll notice what I did NOT say, is that you look at the front page nearly every day! This is not an accusation, it is a FACT! A thing that YOU have proven any number of times already!
>
> I have no problems, only you asking me about them, There is a remarkable difference between the two. RESEARCH THAT!

>
>
>
> > HA .... typical .... non stop lying twisting and squirming and sliming by the asshat

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> You are mistaken, I am not lying, twisting, squirming, nor sliming to any extent for any reason.It is YOU that is appearing ever more desperate with each post! The truth hurt you does it?

>
>
>
>
> > Why is it ASSHAT that you make SO many comments on YOUR OPINION of what
> > I DO, and what YOU FALSELY CLAIM I DO, and then you NEVER look at your
> > own choices?

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> My ass wears no hat btw. Nice try at redirection, but that isn't going to work or make anyone else forget the reality of what you are!

>
>
>
> > Yeah, why is that ASSHAT?
> >
> > Got a clue???

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I have no use for clues. I know the truth. It's a simple concept really, I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time swallowing it.
>
> In any case, may you be blessed with All Divine Love and Light, as as perfect a state of health as our karma allows, in the name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta of course! Have a great night!

--

LOSER

[Etznab]

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 at 6:14:59 PM UTC-5, d.ma...@littleknownpubs.com wrote:
> I also just released a new book: Sukhmani - The Secret of Inner Peace.
>
> I've been working on it for years. It's a new translation of a 400 year old text written by one of the Sikh gurus after Guru Nanak.
>
> What is amazing is to see how closely it aligns with the modern teachings of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and Rahdhasoami. The ties to Eckankar are especially interesting, since the opening lines to the Sukhmani are:
>
> Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> This means: "The One Reality--realized through the grace of the True Guru."
> Some translations spell it this way:
>
> Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> More info here:
>
> http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/
>
> I've been away from A.R.E. for awhile. I hope all well.
>

> Doug.

Ah. I see it now. Maybe this was one of Doug's last posts to a.r.e. Something about a new (another new) book.

If memory serves correctly it was feedback about one of Doug's new books that ushered in years of Kinpa posts where Kinpa appeared to be some self-appointed "Defender of Eckankar" and plagiarism didn't matter a lot, etc., etc.

What I still want to follow up on, however, is feedback about Sudar Singh, and according to Paul, having been a married man with a son who went to Oxford. The reason is that, if true, them people now know where to go for historical info about Paul's first Eck Master. The can go to the family and descendants - instead of tromping off to India and searching for an old "Canteen Rd.", etc. They can go to the Oxford alumni association and college records.

[Kinpa]

Still using assumption and thinking it a useful tool eh? Let me know when that does you any good. By the way, I am no defender of anything. Plagiarism has never mattered, and it still does not prove your mere assumptions as being correct. But I guess the truth must hurt considerably. Are you still claiming to be an ECKist?? LOL Now THAT is truly funny...oh well, not a big deal however. You remain as insignificant as ever to myself and Eckankar in general.

[Etznab]

"[...] If memory serves correctly it was feedback about one of Doug's new books that ushered in years of Kinpa posts where Kinpa appeared to be some self-appointed "Defender of Eckankar" and plagiarism didn't matter a lot, etc., etc. [... .]"

Example:

"Interesting, ill check the new book out Doug...Eckankar continues to be a fine experience imo, and the many folks that have now encountered it by way of me say they are enjoying having experiences...its a fine thing i think...its surprising how many people do not care in the least, at this point in time, about Paul Twitchell's plagiarisms, being that every spiritual path on the planet took from previous teachings and then propelled them into further development and evolution....great stuff! even those that have purposely argued and battled against the path and organization have only provided service to IT, according to newer chelas that continually read things posted here...i find these things enormously interesting...also, ill mention again, there IS a demand forming for The Whole Truth to become an ebook, so i hope you are still considering that, and potentially considering the option for any new books youre involved in writing!"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/A6-M2o6FDeM/6avOAVYTHEsJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!profile/alt.religion.eckankar/APn2wQfZU-Th1-F4iyrIFPjFOqJD2jh1jfDtBfwUslwTgfz5PAXZCxbQuF4esGCO-pkFwmy5dn-Q

[Kinpa]

Keep crying and whining each time anyone says a thing that you dislike! Eckankar needs no defense from the likes of you! It amuses me that you think it does however. How flattering that you devote so much of your time to go and dig things up that you try so hard to misrepresent here. Endlessly hilarious! Feel free to not send in your donation to Eckankar! LOL

[Etznab]

Kinpa writes:

"[...] The names you call, shall ALL return to you! Enjoy that seanie! [... .]"

Etznab writes:

"Here are the names Kinpa calls returning to him!"

scumbag
assbreath
piece of shit!
egotistical and self-centered asshole

drunk
idiot drunk
drunken dolt
drunken fool!
Wastoid drunk!
drunken cirrhosis!
silly drunk little man
drunken piece of shit
ineffectual drunken slob!
flaccid and drunken sock!

silly boy
madman
silly man
little man
young man!
sad old man
silly man-child

LIAR!
deluded liar
hilarious liar
deceptive liar

fool
dolt
idiot
DOLT!
a joke
stalker
moron
dingus!
tosspot!
little weasel
WEASEL!!!
tough guy!
internet bully
homosexual
douche-nozzle
an obvious dullard!
arrogant and stupid idot!
effeminate waste of flesh!

dumb as a box of rocks
child
big baby!
youngster!
pooooooor baby!

NEENER NEENER NEENER!
dull dull boy
AMATEUR!
imbicilic twits
Nancypants!
internet stalkers
amateur "astrologer"
amateur "numerologist"
Shitter
Mr. Beans
seanie
seanella
pope Sean
pope seanicus
Poor poor seanella!
poor wittle seanella
Richie
Mr. McLintock
mr. mcclintock
NOT a current member of Eckankar
NOT an ECKist by ANY standards!
Sean = LIAR!
full of shite, and your breath smells like it....
bunch of lushes
Richard = Liar!

[Henosis Sage]

neener neener neener waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

(smiling)

[Kinpa]

How is your health doing???

https://eckankarblog.org/2017/05/bright-year-bold-future-eckankar-wins-award-2/#more-5349

[Etznab]

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 at 6:14:59 PM UTC-5, d.ma...@littleknownpubs.com wrote:
> I also just released a new book: Sukhmani - The Secret of Inner Peace.
>
> I've been working on it for years. It's a new translation of a 400 year old text written by one of the Sikh gurus after Guru Nanak.
>
> What is amazing is to see how closely it aligns with the modern teachings of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and Rahdhasoami. The ties to Eckankar are especially interesting, since the opening lines to the Sukhmani are:
>
> Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> This means: "The One Reality--realized through the grace of the True Guru."
> Some translations spell it this way:
>
> Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> More info here:
>
> http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/
>
> I've been away from A.R.E. for awhile. I hope all well.
>
> Doug.

This book also had a new translation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpw-TSd36l8

[Etznab]

At 59:58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpw-TSd36l8

And if God's Holy Book has errors, How about "The Whole Truth", by Marman?

It's been a long, long time since Doug posted here. Regardless I think Doug was a big apologist and wrote things similar to Biblical apologists.

An apologist who thinks they know how to read scriptures and to as if discern the difference between Religion and spiritual.

1:08.18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpw-TSd36l8

[sign...@gmail.com]

Again, use of language such as "ECKANKAR apologist" seems strange coming from the very same person professing to maintain ECKANKAR membership. Objectively, does that make any sense at all?

[Etznab]

Even Harold didn't completely apologize for Paul.

So do you think aplologist is a prerequisite for being an Eckist? As if all apologists can be Eckists (according to you) and those who aren't apologists can't be Eckists?

Even Harold admitted that Paul lied and was not always truthful about names.

[Etznab]

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 at 6:14:59 PM UTC-5, d.m...@littleknownpubs.com wrote:
> I also just released a new book: Sukhmani - The Secret of Inner Peace.
>
> I've been working on it for years. It's a new translation of a 400 year old text written by one of the Sikh gurus after Guru Nanak.
>
> What is amazing is to see how closely it aligns with the modern teachings of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and Rahdhasoami. The ties to Eckankar are especially interesting, since the opening lines to the Sukhmani are:
>
> Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> This means: "The One Reality--realized through the grace of the True Guru."
> Some translations spell it this way:
>
> Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> More info here:
>
> http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/
>
> I've been away from A.R.E. for awhile. I hope all well.
>
> Doug.

Not been around for a while? You don't say?

When there is another new book I bet you'll be back to tell us all about it.

[Henosis Sage]

Because this pooped recently in the advice team thread thingy, I say it again.


RE by D.M. fasely claimed:

Some translations spell it this way:
Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad.

NO translations spell it that way .. not the Sikh stuff.

EKANKAR is a "hindu" word co-opted and explained by RS Kirapl et al

explained quite well imo without Marman's interference and incompetence or bias.

[JR]

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 at 4:14:59 PM UTC-7, d.m...@littleknownpubs.com wrote:
> I also just released a new book: Sukhmani - The Secret of Inner Peace.
>
> I've been working on it for years. It's a new translation of a 400 year old text written by one of the Sikh gurus after Guru Nanak.
>
> What is amazing is to see how closely it aligns with the modern teachings of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and Rahdhasoami. The ties to Eckankar are especially interesting, since the opening lines to the Sukhmani are:
>
> Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> This means: "The One Reality--realized through the grace of the True Guru."
> Some translations spell it this way:
>
> Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad.
>
> More info here:
>
> http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/
>
> I've been away from A.R.E. for awhile. I hope all well.
>
> Doug.

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https://www.sikhs.org/guru5.htm

Maybe shady Sean could share some of what he has been mastering in regard to the Punjabi branch of Farsi https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Persian