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kelpzoidzl
Jan 7, 2017, 7:07:16 PM1/7/17
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Josei Toda had taught that true "reform" did not come from external activism and politics. He stressed the internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening, inside each person, was the only way to create a peaceful world. His idea of global awakening and bringing peace to the world, was not about political ideology. He was not a marxist.
Daisaku Ikeda, who had taken over the Gakkai two years after Toda passed away, was a marxist, as was clear from reading the English version of "Daisaku Ikeda's Complete Works, Vol 1" composed of Ikeda's writings in the early 1960's.
In Japan, "Ultranationalism" was shunned after defeat in WW2, at the same time there was a moderate patriotism, a middle path, between ultranationalism and One-Worldism.
On the surface, the ideal of one peaceful world of equal, enlightened people would be a dream that could fit in with a Buddhist aspirations, but here is where political ideology can corrupt Buddhism. The secular, atheist, Globalist, Political ideologies, seek to erase national boundaries and individual cultures. They seek to equalize all religions to the extreme, as a step to eventually eradicate all religion in favor of a supreme, global government.
Josei Toda, during his shakubuku propagation campaigns in Japan, had once said, "We are at war with all other religions," which was essentially Nichiren Daishonin's teaching, internal to Japan.
Nichiren Daishonin was a patriot of Japan. On one hand he was against Chinese control of Buddhism, coming from Shingon and Tientai or other sects that had cone to Japan from China. He was a nationalist and patriot. At the same time, he never indicated Ultranationalism, where Japan would control the world because of Japanese divinity and inherent supremacy, as the WW2 Shinto militarists preached.
Chigaku Tanaka the earlier lay Nichiren Sect leader and other leaders within the offshoots of the Nichiren sects, was an
Ultranationalist. The behavior of all the established Nichiren sects, including Nichiren Shoshu, were complicit with the military Shinto Ultranationalism, even though it deviated from Nichiren Daishonin's teachings. Some Nichiren Shoshu priests such as Ogasawara, began preaching that Buddhism was subservient to Shinto deities including the deified Japanese Emperor.
These deviations, in the most basic way, ignore the buddhist principle of the Middle Way.
There is a difference between the correct, core teachings of Nichiren Shoshu and Soka Gakkai and how some Priests and later lay leaders have twisted them.
We often hear political leftists and globalists, referencing John Lennon's lyrics to his song "Imagine." I think it is useful to dissect these lyrics, in light of todays political and religious turmoil and confusion and the above topics I bringing up.
John Lennon is usually seen by conservatives as a leftist or a Marxist, even though there is evidence he was politically conservative himself. I am positive, the idealism in the lyrics of Imagine is not based in political ideology and transcends religious bias, but came as a result of Lennon's personal, religious revelations, which are looking ahead to a future time which he could imagine, when all people would be enlightened.
The lyrics to Imagine are loved and used by the globalists because they speak of wiping out national sovereignty and borders and wiping out religion, two important goals of today's One-Worlders.
"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"
The contradictions with the Buddhist teaching of the "Saha" world should be obvious. Also the contradictions with the Gakkai of today's, political activism, should be obvious to anyone, honestly reflecting.
Going back to what Josei Toda said---"that true reform did not come from external activism and politics, but only the internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening, internal to each person," it is fundamental that real Buddhism knows that one cannot skip steps of real, Buddhist awakening and jump ahead to a magical Utopia. Even Daisaku Ikeda had, early on, echoed Toda's teaching in this regard, when he wrote about shallow Utopianism. I think after his Club of Rome connections he became corrupted by the political Globalists and One Worlders. For example, his adoption of Environmental activism, totally pushed aside the real meaning of Esho Funi, as if activism, corresponds with internal reform.
(To be continued- including how various cultures karmically differ and the unique mission of the USA, in the propagation of real Buddhism as taught by George M. Williams and squashed by Daisaku Ikeda. Abolishing Nuclear weapons requires genuine, widespread enlightenment, not shallow political activism and idealism.)
Daisaku Ikeda, who had taken over the Gakkai two years after Toda passed away, was a marxist, as was clear from reading the English version of "Daisaku Ikeda's Complete Works, Vol 1" composed of Ikeda's writings in the early 1960's.
In Japan, "Ultranationalism" was shunned after defeat in WW2, at the same time there was a moderate patriotism, a middle path, between ultranationalism and One-Worldism.
On the surface, the ideal of one peaceful world of equal, enlightened people would be a dream that could fit in with a Buddhist aspirations, but here is where political ideology can corrupt Buddhism. The secular, atheist, Globalist, Political ideologies, seek to erase national boundaries and individual cultures. They seek to equalize all religions to the extreme, as a step to eventually eradicate all religion in favor of a supreme, global government.
Josei Toda, during his shakubuku propagation campaigns in Japan, had once said, "We are at war with all other religions," which was essentially Nichiren Daishonin's teaching, internal to Japan.
Nichiren Daishonin was a patriot of Japan. On one hand he was against Chinese control of Buddhism, coming from Shingon and Tientai or other sects that had cone to Japan from China. He was a nationalist and patriot. At the same time, he never indicated Ultranationalism, where Japan would control the world because of Japanese divinity and inherent supremacy, as the WW2 Shinto militarists preached.
Chigaku Tanaka the earlier lay Nichiren Sect leader and other leaders within the offshoots of the Nichiren sects, was an
Ultranationalist. The behavior of all the established Nichiren sects, including Nichiren Shoshu, were complicit with the military Shinto Ultranationalism, even though it deviated from Nichiren Daishonin's teachings. Some Nichiren Shoshu priests such as Ogasawara, began preaching that Buddhism was subservient to Shinto deities including the deified Japanese Emperor.
These deviations, in the most basic way, ignore the buddhist principle of the Middle Way.
There is a difference between the correct, core teachings of Nichiren Shoshu and Soka Gakkai and how some Priests and later lay leaders have twisted them.
We often hear political leftists and globalists, referencing John Lennon's lyrics to his song "Imagine." I think it is useful to dissect these lyrics, in light of todays political and religious turmoil and confusion and the above topics I bringing up.
John Lennon is usually seen by conservatives as a leftist or a Marxist, even though there is evidence he was politically conservative himself. I am positive, the idealism in the lyrics of Imagine is not based in political ideology and transcends religious bias, but came as a result of Lennon's personal, religious revelations, which are looking ahead to a future time which he could imagine, when all people would be enlightened.
The lyrics to Imagine are loved and used by the globalists because they speak of wiping out national sovereignty and borders and wiping out religion, two important goals of today's One-Worlders.
"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"
The contradictions with the Buddhist teaching of the "Saha" world should be obvious. Also the contradictions with the Gakkai of today's, political activism, should be obvious to anyone, honestly reflecting.
Going back to what Josei Toda said---"that true reform did not come from external activism and politics, but only the internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening, internal to each person," it is fundamental that real Buddhism knows that one cannot skip steps of real, Buddhist awakening and jump ahead to a magical Utopia. Even Daisaku Ikeda had, early on, echoed Toda's teaching in this regard, when he wrote about shallow Utopianism. I think after his Club of Rome connections he became corrupted by the political Globalists and One Worlders. For example, his adoption of Environmental activism, totally pushed aside the real meaning of Esho Funi, as if activism, corresponds with internal reform.
(To be continued- including how various cultures karmically differ and the unique mission of the USA, in the propagation of real Buddhism as taught by George M. Williams and squashed by Daisaku Ikeda. Abolishing Nuclear weapons requires genuine, widespread enlightenment, not shallow political activism and idealism.)
Katie Higgins
Jan 7, 2017, 7:50:13 PM1/7/17
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"Rely on the Law- not upon persons" !!
It works!!
~Katie
kelpzoidzl
Jan 8, 2017, 12:43:33 AM1/8/17
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A cornerstone of Josei Toda and the Gakkai's original teaching was "Buddhism equals daily life." Often Nichiren's passages about this principle was quoted by JoseiToda was often repeated by Daisaku Ikeda and George M Williams. Priests of the various sects sometimes criticized this teaching as one that becomes too materialistic, yet Nichiren himsef, often encouraged his believersto exell in Daily life. Other Buddhist sects condemned Nichiren for these teachings.
Even the most basic understanding of expedient means, in the Lotus Sutra, recogizes that people would begin the practice seeking after material things or simple happiness. The Gakkai, during Toda's leadership was oftern criticized for attracting the poor and most needy.
Even the most basic understanding of expedient means, in the Lotus Sutra, recogizes that people would begin the practice seeking after material things or simple happiness. The Gakkai, during Toda's leadership was oftern criticized for attracting the poor and most needy.
Chas.
Jan 8, 2017, 1:08:56 AM1/8/17
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On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 9:43:33 PM UTC-8, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> A cornerstone of Josei Toda and the Gakkai's original teaching was "Buddhism equals daily life." Often Nichiren's passages about this principle was quoted by JoseiToda was often repeated by Daisaku Ikeda and George M Williams. Priests of the various sects sometimes criticized this teaching as one that becomes too materialistic, yet Nichiren himsef, often encouraged his believersto exell in Daily life. Other Buddhist sects condemned Nichiren for these teachings.
>
> Even the most basic understanding of expedient means, in the Lotus Sutra, recogizes that people would begin the practice seeking after material things or simple happiness. The Gakkai, during Toda's leadership was oftern criticized for attracting the poor and most needy.
Thanks for the memories, David.
> A cornerstone of Josei Toda and the Gakkai's original teaching was "Buddhism equals daily life." Often Nichiren's passages about this principle was quoted by JoseiToda was often repeated by Daisaku Ikeda and George M Williams. Priests of the various sects sometimes criticized this teaching as one that becomes too materialistic, yet Nichiren himsef, often encouraged his believersto exell in Daily life. Other Buddhist sects condemned Nichiren for these teachings.
>
> Even the most basic understanding of expedient means, in the Lotus Sutra, recogizes that people would begin the practice seeking after material things or simple happiness. The Gakkai, during Toda's leadership was oftern criticized for attracting the poor and most needy.
-Chas.
kelpzoidzl
Jan 8, 2017, 1:33:33 AM1/8/17
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"Rely on the Law, not the person" was also a cornerstone of Josei Toda's expositions about Nichiren's teaching. Toda stressed Shakubuku was essential, going as far as saying,"without doing shakubuku, one cannot receive benefits." He stressed commonsense and not do excessively harsh shakubuku. Daisaku Ikeda would repeat these words, but in reality, created a bad reputation for the Gakkai and even getting arrested for voter coercion and fraud. Fanatical fraud to give the appearance of great results and numbers was also prevalent in the promotion of the newspapers, Seikyo Shimbum and the World Tribune in the USA. It was due to the need for money to support buildings expenses and the salaries of staff. No religion, including Nichiren's teachings required alms to survive.
One can say, "Rely on the Law not the person," does not mean Buddhist Anarchy, nor make the spirit of almsgiving in Buddhism, obsolete, nor does it contradict Nichiren's own teaching for disciples to seek out a "Priest" to learn the heart of the Lotus Sutra. Even those who study the gosho day and night, if they are deceived by their own mind or the minds of others, they will fail. They will also be unable to see, when a teacher is now deviating from correct practice and spirit. Dogma hardens into words and just spouting quotes and dogma is not true, experiential Buddhism.
Ideas about Shakyamuni being the True Buddha, vs Nichiren as True Buddha and the controversies about the seven characters of the Sutra, Namu vs Nam, are based in false understanding. Even hearing that all the traditional Nichiren Sects chant with a silent "mu" doesn't deter the idiocy, when in firmal ceremonies slow Hiki-Daimoku enunciates the "mu". Any gosho writing where Nichiren intimates the deepest meaning of Buddhahood, is called a forgery by those who have little experiential grasp.
One thing that holds true in the west, is without Josei Toda, NO ONE would have even heard of Nichiren's teaching to begin practice. This is basic cause and effect. Appreciation is fundamental in Buddhism. Josei Toda had direct experiential awakening. Without that, Nichiren Buddhism would never have spread, nor without George Williams the same is true for the Gakkai in the USA.
One can say, "Rely on the Law not the person," does not mean Buddhist Anarchy, nor make the spirit of almsgiving in Buddhism, obsolete, nor does it contradict Nichiren's own teaching for disciples to seek out a "Priest" to learn the heart of the Lotus Sutra. Even those who study the gosho day and night, if they are deceived by their own mind or the minds of others, they will fail. They will also be unable to see, when a teacher is now deviating from correct practice and spirit. Dogma hardens into words and just spouting quotes and dogma is not true, experiential Buddhism.
Ideas about Shakyamuni being the True Buddha, vs Nichiren as True Buddha and the controversies about the seven characters of the Sutra, Namu vs Nam, are based in false understanding. Even hearing that all the traditional Nichiren Sects chant with a silent "mu" doesn't deter the idiocy, when in firmal ceremonies slow Hiki-Daimoku enunciates the "mu". Any gosho writing where Nichiren intimates the deepest meaning of Buddhahood, is called a forgery by those who have little experiential grasp.
One thing that holds true in the west, is without Josei Toda, NO ONE would have even heard of Nichiren's teaching to begin practice. This is basic cause and effect. Appreciation is fundamental in Buddhism. Josei Toda had direct experiential awakening. Without that, Nichiren Buddhism would never have spread, nor without George Williams the same is true for the Gakkai in the USA.
kelpzoidzl
Jan 8, 2017, 1:39:00 AM1/8/17
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Correction: "No religion, including Nichiren's teachings required alms to survive. " make that "No religion, including Nichiren's teachings DID NOT require alms to survive."
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lyal...@gmail.com
Jan 8, 2017, 5:51:24 AM1/8/17
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On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:39:00 PM UTC+10, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> Correction: "No religion, including Nichiren's teachings required alms to survive. " make that "No religion, including Nichiren's teachings DID NOT require alms to survive."
Thanks David for your welcome clarity of what went before us that brings us to the current situation where we are today with all its idiosyncrasies . Richard also recommends Josei Toda's elucidation on Nichiren's teaching.
> Correction: "No religion, including Nichiren's teachings required alms to survive. " make that "No religion, including Nichiren's teachings DID NOT require alms to survive."
He shared this link that I now feel inspired to revisit...
http://www.geocities.ws/chris_holte/Buddhism/LotusSutra/Toda/jt_lls_a.html
Katie Higgins
Jan 8, 2017, 5:52:35 AM1/8/17
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SGI's pseudo Buddhism equals millions of brainwashed members supporting the lavish lifestyles of Top SGI leaders !!
You might want to look into Toda's guidance on becoming wealthy - Mark posted some of Toda's admonitions on ' failing to achieve wealth ' as a Gakkai member -/oh for shame if you don't show actual $$$$!,
Motivational speakers for a multi billion dollar, multi-level marketing scam do not EQUAL Buddhism !!
~Katie
You might want to look into Toda's guidance on becoming wealthy - Mark posted some of Toda's admonitions on ' failing to achieve wealth ' as a Gakkai member -/oh for shame if you don't show actual $$$$!,
Motivational speakers for a multi billion dollar, multi-level marketing scam do not EQUAL Buddhism !!
~Katie
kelpzoidzl
Jan 8, 2017, 7:45:54 PM1/8/17
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After Toda was released from prison, the educational society and its 2000 members was virtualky non-existent. His experiences and revelations while in prison motivated him to establish the Gakkai as an entirely Buddhist lay group.
He pledged to expand practitioners to 750,000 practitioners. A goal he achieved before his passing. The teachings on desires of daily life was entirely based on the Daishonin's teachings on Earthly Desires transforming into Buddhahood and the sufferings of life and death equal Nirvana. Nichiren called it "burning the firewood of desire." Nichiren had many poor followers, as did Toda. They encouraged practitioners to chant for success to their hearts content. Burning the firewood of desire refers to how motivation to overcome real life problems was the impetus to practice.
Nichiren Instructed his lay disciples to increase their fortune in every way and be exemplery in their occupations. Toda even told people, the Gohonzon in simple terms, could be looked at as a "benefit machine." Better such a mundane explanation, then expect people to fervently practice for the sake of an afterlife or just theory. How could Nichiren, or Toda, expect average people to grasp the spirtual depth of Buddhism without a "burning," motivation? It is shallow to think people will be motivated by theory and dogma. Actual suffering and desire is a far greater motivation.
This is why Nichiren, Nikko and later Toda, stressed "Bonno" being transformed into "Bodai."
Bonno soku Bodai is fundamental to Nichiren's teachings and the Lotus Sutra. The Sutra takes great pains to explain the Secret and Expedient Means of the Buddha. (Himyo Hoben) A person claiming to be following Nichiren's Buddhism is a fraud if they do not realize the necessity of encouraging the poor and suffering people to overcome their real life problems by practice, they titally misunderstand their own predicament and only theoretically practice, their Bonno accumulating.
He pledged to expand practitioners to 750,000 practitioners. A goal he achieved before his passing. The teachings on desires of daily life was entirely based on the Daishonin's teachings on Earthly Desires transforming into Buddhahood and the sufferings of life and death equal Nirvana. Nichiren called it "burning the firewood of desire." Nichiren had many poor followers, as did Toda. They encouraged practitioners to chant for success to their hearts content. Burning the firewood of desire refers to how motivation to overcome real life problems was the impetus to practice.
Nichiren Instructed his lay disciples to increase their fortune in every way and be exemplery in their occupations. Toda even told people, the Gohonzon in simple terms, could be looked at as a "benefit machine." Better such a mundane explanation, then expect people to fervently practice for the sake of an afterlife or just theory. How could Nichiren, or Toda, expect average people to grasp the spirtual depth of Buddhism without a "burning," motivation? It is shallow to think people will be motivated by theory and dogma. Actual suffering and desire is a far greater motivation.
This is why Nichiren, Nikko and later Toda, stressed "Bonno" being transformed into "Bodai."
Bonno soku Bodai is fundamental to Nichiren's teachings and the Lotus Sutra. The Sutra takes great pains to explain the Secret and Expedient Means of the Buddha. (Himyo Hoben) A person claiming to be following Nichiren's Buddhism is a fraud if they do not realize the necessity of encouraging the poor and suffering people to overcome their real life problems by practice, they titally misunderstand their own predicament and only theoretically practice, their Bonno accumulating.
Katie Higgins
Jan 8, 2017, 8:55:33 PM1/8/17
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I find it interesting that having the SGI so thoroughly exposed after 25 years of serious investigation and reporting of its actual M.O. you would decide to pay tribute to its founder, Josei Toda. Why not discuss the *educator* Toda was supposed to be and talk about how little he discovered and taught about the founder of the practice he claims is the basis for his organization? How much sense does it make that living in the same *tiny island country* as Nichiren, the SGI knows next to nothing about Nichiren-- and that the Gakkai never made historical landmarks and authentic Nichiren Gohonzons issues in their compiled history of his teachings? Why is it that the Gakkai in Japan NEVER made pilgrimages to the areas where Nichrien lived and passed away? WHY the focus on the Head Temple and a so-called "Day-Gohonzon" that even a new member like me in 1988 could question based on its never have been mentioned in Nichiren's own writings?
So, Dave-- you want to discuss the legacy of Josei Toda? Then do so with the honesty and clarity that demonstrates the wide divergence of his Shoshu leanings that are in no way reflective of the teachings of Nichiren. As an *educator* Toda failed to discover the extent to which the religion that made the growth of the wealthy and powerful Gakkai in Japan diverges from the Buddhist teachings upon which Nichiren's practice was based. These facts are now available and indisputable! A more honest portrait of the actual founder of the Gakkai is that Toda was successful in using the auspices of religion to turn a very high profit in a war torn country-- who, BTW , attacked the U.S. and essentially started the war that nearly destroyed them.
Focus on *numbers* of members; focus on material gain as actual proof is NOT attributable to Nichiren's teachings. Please stop trying to legitimize a heretical sect based on the PR version of the history of the SGI.
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 9, 2017, 12:05:32 AM1/9/17
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Readers will note that Mark Rogow, Shinkei and Katie smear along with what the KGB used to call the "useful idiot" Iain, while I quote the many history books to make my case against the un-indicted war criminals of Nichiren Shu, initiators and co-perpetrators of the Asian Holocaust against the peoples of the Pacific Rim and especially the Chinese people of Nanking.
These war criminals have never been brought to justice.
It is high time that they are hauled into court, because there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.
Justice for the victims of the Rape of Nanking and elsewhere, and prosecution of the war criminals of Nichiren Shu, whose radical militaristic followers and chaplains misled the Japanese people and the royalty into this abomination!
Their distortions of Nichiren Buddhism into Shinto statue worship is the cause, and that distortion continues to be perpetuated by Mark Rogow and Katie Higgins and their "useful idiot", Iain.
Their attacks on the SGI are merely a cover for their perpetual guilt over their complicity in war crimes while the founders of the SGI were cornered by Imperial Way Buddhism and their Shinto Talisman supporting the Pacifc War of Imperial State Zen. Mr. Makiguchi and Mr. Toda were ultimately imprisoned in Tokyo until Mr. Makiguchi's death and Mr. Toda's release at the end of the War, while the forces unleashed by Nichiren Shu (and with the complicity of the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) ran rampant over China and the Pacific Rim.
here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
and here:
http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/Cross-section_JapWarCrimes.html
The Rape of Nanking (1937), also known as the Nanjing Massacre
The Bangka Island Massacre (1942): Slaughter of Australian Army Nurses
The Bataan Death March (1942)
The Sandakan Death March (1945)
Murder and cannibalism on the Kokoda Track (1942)
Conscripting women for sexual slavery in Japanese Army brothels (1937-1945)
Mutilation and murder of Dutch civilians in Borneo
Murder and cannibalism - captured American pilots
-Chas
These war criminals have never been brought to justice.
It is high time that they are hauled into court, because there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.
Justice for the victims of the Rape of Nanking and elsewhere, and prosecution of the war criminals of Nichiren Shu, whose radical militaristic followers and chaplains misled the Japanese people and the royalty into this abomination!
Their distortions of Nichiren Buddhism into Shinto statue worship is the cause, and that distortion continues to be perpetuated by Mark Rogow and Katie Higgins and their "useful idiot", Iain.
Their attacks on the SGI are merely a cover for their perpetual guilt over their complicity in war crimes while the founders of the SGI were cornered by Imperial Way Buddhism and their Shinto Talisman supporting the Pacifc War of Imperial State Zen. Mr. Makiguchi and Mr. Toda were ultimately imprisoned in Tokyo until Mr. Makiguchi's death and Mr. Toda's release at the end of the War, while the forces unleashed by Nichiren Shu (and with the complicity of the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) ran rampant over China and the Pacific Rim.
here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
and here:
http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/Cross-section_JapWarCrimes.html
The Rape of Nanking (1937), also known as the Nanjing Massacre
The Bangka Island Massacre (1942): Slaughter of Australian Army Nurses
The Bataan Death March (1942)
The Sandakan Death March (1945)
Murder and cannibalism on the Kokoda Track (1942)
Conscripting women for sexual slavery in Japanese Army brothels (1937-1945)
Mutilation and murder of Dutch civilians in Borneo
Murder and cannibalism - captured American pilots
-Chas
Katie Higgins
Jan 26, 2017, 11:03:00 PM1/26/17
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Meanwhile the similarities between Trump and Ikeda are too amazing to ignore!
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 27, 2017, 12:27:18 AM1/27/17
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Your conflating our views is another sign of your seemingly permanent state of fallacious reasoning, and does not avoid the issue, I have many times stated that the name of the true, eternal, original Buddha of Beginningless Time and Infinite Joy is not Nichiren Daishonin, nor Shakyamuni, but instead is Myoho-Renge, as stated by Nichiren Daishonin, himself.
From the Gosho "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30
.. Question: The Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai has explained that
.. the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
.. meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
.. figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
.. or lotus?
..
.. Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
.. detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
.. enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
.. seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
.. seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
.. is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
.. volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
.. follows: “Renge, or lotus, is not a symbol; IT IS THE
.. ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY.
Note in the last line, Myoho-Renge is the name of "the entity."
"The entity", BTW, is the original Buddha, the Buddha of Limitless Joy, the Buddha of Beginningless Time, the eternal Buddha, or the true Buddha: these are all the same.
Is that clear? The name is not Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.
Myoho Renge is the entity of eternal enlightenment, not named after someone who practiced Brahmanism (Shakyamuni) or Amida Buddhism (Nichiren Daishonin) earlier in their life.
We all manifest Myoho-Renge when we chant the daimoku, or when we speak the absolute truth. However, all common mortals are two, but not two, both deluded and enlightened: we are the true Buddha.
Myoho Renge is always true, never off the mark from beginning to end. This is why we don't worship human beings or their statues.
You must face this now, or suffer greatly, Katie and Mark hiding behind your skirts.
Or is this Gosho also to be written off by y'all as fake?
-Chas.
From the Gosho "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30
.. Question: The Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai has explained that
.. the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
.. meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
.. figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
.. or lotus?
..
.. Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
.. detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
.. enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
.. seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
.. seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
.. is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
.. volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
.. follows: “Renge, or lotus, is not a symbol; IT IS THE
.. ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY.
Note in the last line, Myoho-Renge is the name of "the entity."
"The entity", BTW, is the original Buddha, the Buddha of Limitless Joy, the Buddha of Beginningless Time, the eternal Buddha, or the true Buddha: these are all the same.
Is that clear? The name is not Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.
Myoho Renge is the entity of eternal enlightenment, not named after someone who practiced Brahmanism (Shakyamuni) or Amida Buddhism (Nichiren Daishonin) earlier in their life.
We all manifest Myoho-Renge when we chant the daimoku, or when we speak the absolute truth. However, all common mortals are two, but not two, both deluded and enlightened: we are the true Buddha.
Myoho Renge is always true, never off the mark from beginning to end. This is why we don't worship human beings or their statues.
You must face this now, or suffer greatly, Katie and Mark hiding behind your skirts.
Or is this Gosho also to be written off by y'all as fake?
-Chas.
JazzIs TvRicky
Jan 27, 2017, 3:54:48 AM1/27/17
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I totally agree that NSA was and will always be a pioneering force in the propagation of Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism. Without NSA none of us would have net the Gohonzon - PERIOD!!!! Including you Katie!
I have Volume 3 of Lectures On Buddhism as well as 4 and 5. In Volume 3 Ikeda makes a statement which is most remarkable. He says; “You may think that I am a Little and Small Man,but I can completely protect you from the sanrui-no-gōteki. This is in 1963 I believe. I must say Dave your insight and experience is most useful and real.
Toda was a practical and business minded man who while in Prison came to understand Makiguchi’s Faith and Conviction in the Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. For Toda to understand the necessity of his lectures and preparation on the Lotus Sutra so profoundly is a testament to his understanding of Jigyo Keta and Kosen rufu.
Toda teaches:
"Kuon Ganjo is the beginning of Mappo when the True Buddha who sows the seeds of Buddhahood in the minds of all people makes His advent. Mappo is the day when there are innumerable heretical teachings and the true teaching is buried in oblivion. For this reason, Mappo is very close to Kuon Ganjo when there was no teaching, leaving the Nam-Myoho- Renge-Kyo unrevealed.
It is at this juncture that Buddhist philosophy becomes a practical teaching. It is no longer a mere theory or a mere idea.
The profound Buddhist philosophy accords with reality. It was explained that the verse “ji ga toku bur-rai” clarified the essential nature of ordinary people.
This life endowed with the three phases of life (Sanjin) is what we have obtained by ourselves. We can never learn Buddhahood from others.
You may study Buddhism or hear lectures on the Hokekyo and ask someone to teach you what Buddhahood is like, without getting a definite answer. You can do nothing but realize it by yourself. ‘I have obtained these three phases of life by myself.’ This is how Buddha feels. As for the way to attain
Buddhahood, Nichiren Daishonin taught us that to chant Daimoku to the Gohonzon is the only way to realize the life of Sanjin. This is the correct meaning of “Ji ga toku bur-rai.”
As is obvious from the above, you cannot attain enlightenment or Buddhahood ‘by yourself’, but you must believe in the Gohonzon and chant Daimoku. Without the Daishonin, you can never realize the three phases of life which are inherent in everyone, latent but undeveloped. Only through the practice of Daimoku based on faith in the Gohonzon, can you draw these three from within yourself.”
This is what I learned from Mr. Fujioka, Mr. Parker and Mr. Kikumura who were true practitioners and friends in faith. NSA pioneers.
Thank you for this wonderful contribution my friend.
Sincerely, Richard
I have Volume 3 of Lectures On Buddhism as well as 4 and 5. In Volume 3 Ikeda makes a statement which is most remarkable. He says; “You may think that I am a Little and Small Man,but I can completely protect you from the sanrui-no-gōteki. This is in 1963 I believe. I must say Dave your insight and experience is most useful and real.
Toda was a practical and business minded man who while in Prison came to understand Makiguchi’s Faith and Conviction in the Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. For Toda to understand the necessity of his lectures and preparation on the Lotus Sutra so profoundly is a testament to his understanding of Jigyo Keta and Kosen rufu.
Toda teaches:
"Kuon Ganjo is the beginning of Mappo when the True Buddha who sows the seeds of Buddhahood in the minds of all people makes His advent. Mappo is the day when there are innumerable heretical teachings and the true teaching is buried in oblivion. For this reason, Mappo is very close to Kuon Ganjo when there was no teaching, leaving the Nam-Myoho- Renge-Kyo unrevealed.
It is at this juncture that Buddhist philosophy becomes a practical teaching. It is no longer a mere theory or a mere idea.
The profound Buddhist philosophy accords with reality. It was explained that the verse “ji ga toku bur-rai” clarified the essential nature of ordinary people.
This life endowed with the three phases of life (Sanjin) is what we have obtained by ourselves. We can never learn Buddhahood from others.
You may study Buddhism or hear lectures on the Hokekyo and ask someone to teach you what Buddhahood is like, without getting a definite answer. You can do nothing but realize it by yourself. ‘I have obtained these three phases of life by myself.’ This is how Buddha feels. As for the way to attain
Buddhahood, Nichiren Daishonin taught us that to chant Daimoku to the Gohonzon is the only way to realize the life of Sanjin. This is the correct meaning of “Ji ga toku bur-rai.”
As is obvious from the above, you cannot attain enlightenment or Buddhahood ‘by yourself’, but you must believe in the Gohonzon and chant Daimoku. Without the Daishonin, you can never realize the three phases of life which are inherent in everyone, latent but undeveloped. Only through the practice of Daimoku based on faith in the Gohonzon, can you draw these three from within yourself.”
This is what I learned from Mr. Fujioka, Mr. Parker and Mr. Kikumura who were true practitioners and friends in faith. NSA pioneers.
Thank you for this wonderful contribution my friend.
Sincerely, Richard
Katie Higgins
Jan 27, 2017, 12:02:18 PM1/27/17
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Nice to have the supporters of the "Kalpa of Decrease" coming forward and taking credit!!
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 27, 2017, 11:01:08 PM1/27/17
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Did all of them become members of the SGI when it formed in 1975, staying with Sensei to the ends of their lives?
Or did they leave it like you did?
-Chas.
Or did they leave it like you did?
-Chas.
spacetreasury
Jan 28, 2017, 9:55:45 PM1/28/17
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NST has a good explanation of Shodai chanting of daimoku or Nam-Namu-myoho-renge-kyo to the Gohonzon
Katie Higgins
Jan 30, 2017, 5:37:19 PM1/30/17
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Where is your sensei these days ? Some people may want to know who they are "sticking with @ - or so I imagine --
Chas.
Jan 31, 2017, 12:43:41 AM1/31/17
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On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 2:37:19 PM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Where is your sensei these days ? Some people may want to know who they are "sticking with @ - or so I imagine --
He's OK. Just aging, you know the four sufferings we can't escape due to our impermanence?
> Where is your sensei these days ? Some people may want to know who they are "sticking with @ - or so I imagine --
_______________________________
It's just simply amazing that Katie Higgins is incapable of answering one very simple question. In the quote from "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30
,,, Question: The Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai has explained that
,,, the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
,,, meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
,,, figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
,,, or lotus?
,,,
,,, Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
,,, detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
,,, enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
,,, seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
,,, seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
,,, is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
,,, volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
,,, follows: “Renge, or lotus, is not a symbol; IT IS THE
,,, ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY.
This astonishing quote from Nichiren Daishonin stating the the name of the eternal original Buddha of Beginningless Time and Limitless Joy is NOT named Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin nor anything else other than Myoho-Renge ...
Well ... is Nichiren Daishonin lying? Or is the Gosho faked? Or is Nichiren Daishonin actually just telling us the complete and utter truth of the matter?
I make the contention that this is the one simple question that Katie cannot answer, although she has answered it implicitly that the Daishonin is lying, when she point to all the other places where he lauds Shakyamuni, the Lord of Teachings. If what she says is true, Nichiren Daishonin would have to be lying here.
Which is it, Katie? Answer the damn question honestly, and stop dodging it.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 31, 2017, 5:58:23 AM1/31/17
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Hmmm- not able to
Overcome the suffering of " aging" --
I guess opulent wealth isn't a youth preserving elixir?
Shhhhh- don't tell Danny Nagashima 🙀
~Katie
Overcome the suffering of " aging" --
I guess opulent wealth isn't a youth preserving elixir?
Shhhhh- don't tell Danny Nagashima 🙀
~Katie
Chas.
Feb 1, 2017, 12:49:21 AM2/1/17
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I find it incomprehensible that Katie Higgins is incapable of answering one very simple question. In the quote from "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30
,., Question: The Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai has explained that
,., the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
,., meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
,., figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
,., or lotus?
,.,
,., Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
,., detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
,., enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
,., seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
,., seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
,., is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
,., volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
,., follows: “Renge, or lotus, is not a symbol; IT IS THE
,., ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY.
This profound quote from Nichiren Daishonin stating the the name of the eternal original Buddha of Beginningless Time and Limitless Joy is NOT named Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin nor anything else other than Myoho-Renge ...
Ask yourself ... is Nichiren Daishonin lying? Or is the Gosho faked? Or is Nichiren Daishonin actually just telling us the complete and utter truth of the matter?
I offer the contention that this is the one simple question that Katie cannot answer, although she has answered it implicitly that the Daishonin is lying, when she point to all the other places where he lauds Shakyamuni, the Lord of Teachings. If what she says is true, Nichiren Daishonin would have to be lying here.
Which is it, Katie? Answer the question honestly, and stop dodging it.
-Chas.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30
,., Question: The Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai has explained that
,., the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
,., meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
,., figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
,., or lotus?
,.,
,., Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
,., detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
,., enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
,., seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
,., seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
,., is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
,., volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
,., follows: “Renge, or lotus, is not a symbol; IT IS THE
,., ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY.
This profound quote from Nichiren Daishonin stating the the name of the eternal original Buddha of Beginningless Time and Limitless Joy is NOT named Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin nor anything else other than Myoho-Renge ...
Ask yourself ... is Nichiren Daishonin lying? Or is the Gosho faked? Or is Nichiren Daishonin actually just telling us the complete and utter truth of the matter?
I offer the contention that this is the one simple question that Katie cannot answer, although she has answered it implicitly that the Daishonin is lying, when she point to all the other places where he lauds Shakyamuni, the Lord of Teachings. If what she says is true, Nichiren Daishonin would have to be lying here.
Which is it, Katie? Answer the question honestly, and stop dodging it.
-Chas.
JazzIs TvRicky
Aug 12, 2017, 12:09:57 AM8/12/17
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JazzIs TvRicky
Aug 31, 2017, 10:32:31 PM8/31/17
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A Reninder
JazzIs TvRicky
Oct 18, 2017, 8:52:01 PM10/18/17
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“There is a difference between the correct, core teachings of Nichiren Shoshu and Soka Gakkai and how some Priests and later lay leaders have twisted them.”
DAVE
DAVE
Chas.
Oct 19, 2017, 2:00:06 PM10/19/17
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To make it perfectly clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.
-Chas.
-Chas.
JazzIs TvRicky
Oct 26, 2017, 2:49:50 PM10/26/17
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Toda’s traitor is Daisaku the Devil Ikeda and his SGI CULT
Katie Higgins
Oct 26, 2017, 2:55:04 PM10/26/17
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Better examine the doctrines themselves / enough with your “ person “ focus !!
JazzIs TvRicky
Oct 26, 2017, 3:04:27 PM10/26/17
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Katie Higgins
Oct 26, 2017, 3:29:25 PM10/26/17
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On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 3:04:27 PM UTC-4, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> Nichiren’s Teachings are Taught here
>
> https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=23047
NOPE! Wrong- headed Ricky is now openly bringing confusion to Nichiren's teachings by instructing readers to seek OTHER than Nichiren's own words for themselves!
> Nichiren’s Teachings are Taught here
>
> https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=23047
Tell me, Ricky, why it is you believe that one approaching the teachings with FAITH in the Lotus Sutra, emulating Nichiren, is NOT capable of comprehending the teachings on one's own?
This is a very straight forward refutation of Ricky's egocentric bunk-- in Nichiren's own words:
"Moreover, I chant the daimoku, which is the heart and core of the ENTIRE sutra, and I urge others to do likewise. Although the mugwort growing in a hemp field or wood marked for cutting with an inked line may not be straight to begin with, they will be as a matter of course become so, In the same way, one who chants the daimoku as the LOTUS SUTRA teaches will never have a twisted mind. For one should know that, UNLESS THE MIND OF THE BUDDHA ENTERS OUR BODIES, we cannot in fact chant the daimoku. " (The Blessings of the Lotus Sutra- 1276)
From Nichiren's own words we can conclude:
1) Ricky's discarding the Lotus Sutra itself is a grave error, a grave slander.
2) Ricky 's twisted mind is the product of his grievous error.
The fact that Ricky continues to taut the bogus dharmawheel dialogue, where he was tolerated and completed refuted as some kind of evidence of his being a superior teaching is beyond the pale-- in fact it is hilarious !!
~Katie
JazzIs TvRicky
Oct 26, 2017, 7:33:37 PM10/26/17
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Toda
Chas.
Oct 27, 2017, 12:32:18 PM10/27/17
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On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 10:56:10 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> The problem is : you don’t know Nichiren’s doctrine or your own !!
>
> You are debating in a dark cave - ranting like a brainwashed hobo.
>
> There is a great need to focus on doctrine - the great deficit in the knowledge base of SGI/ NST members is stunning .
>
> ~ Katie
What about Katie Higgins, who can't even read the Lotus Sutra that refutes her inferences regarding Nichiren Daishonin's statements about Shakyamuni in the Gosho? Nichiren Daishonin is utterly and completely incapable of holding an opinion that is so easily refuted by the Lotus Sutra!
Shakyamuni literally CANNOT BE the one and only eternal Buddha, simply because he was the last of 16 to attain Buddhahood. In the remote past there were also others who preached thus, Shakyamuni's grandfather, his father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 brothers:
Quoting "The Parable of the Phantom City", LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35
,.. "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
,.. passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
,.. finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
,.. perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
,.. householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
,.. was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
,.. kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
,.. when they heard that their father had attained supreme
,.. perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
,.. objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
,.. weeping, followed after them.
,..
,.. "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
,.. along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
,.. hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
,.. all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
,.. place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
,.. thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
,.. alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
,.. arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
,.. to the ground.
Also, Shakyamuni and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands roughly in parallel:
Quoting the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282
,.. “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
,.. the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
,.. attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
,.. ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
,.. immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
,.. of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
,.. of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
,.. region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
,.. Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
,.. southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
,.. Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
,.. one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
,.. Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
,.. Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
,.. are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
,.. other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
,.. buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
,.. Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
,.. Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
,.. one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
,.. King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
,.. named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
,.. SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
,.. SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
And later he points out all the others that will preach the Lotus Sutra just like he did, including his cousin, Devadatta, who tried to murder him and replace him.
If I could so easily refute Nichiren Daishonin using the Lotus Sutra, he could never have won a single debate, or even finished a lecture on the Lotus Sutra without being refuted by his disciples.
Your distorted view of Buddhism literally cannot have been Nichiren Daishonin's view! It is IMPOSSIBLE!
Neither you nor Mark Rogow have ever responded to this point of agony in your twisted Nichiren Shu doctrine. Your distorted view of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra is completely and idiotically wrong.
And using fallacious reasoning, like the ad hominem method of calling me a brainwashed hobo, simply is proof of your fallacy: since you cannot address my argument in any rational way, you irrationally challenge the person making the argument by name-calling. So transparently wrong!
-Chas.
> The problem is : you don’t know Nichiren’s doctrine or your own !!
>
> You are debating in a dark cave - ranting like a brainwashed hobo.
>
> There is a great need to focus on doctrine - the great deficit in the knowledge base of SGI/ NST members is stunning .
>
> ~ Katie
What about Katie Higgins, who can't even read the Lotus Sutra that refutes her inferences regarding Nichiren Daishonin's statements about Shakyamuni in the Gosho? Nichiren Daishonin is utterly and completely incapable of holding an opinion that is so easily refuted by the Lotus Sutra!
Shakyamuni literally CANNOT BE the one and only eternal Buddha, simply because he was the last of 16 to attain Buddhahood. In the remote past there were also others who preached thus, Shakyamuni's grandfather, his father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 brothers:
Quoting "The Parable of the Phantom City", LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35
,.. "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
,.. passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
,.. finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
,.. perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
,.. householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
,.. was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
,.. kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
,.. when they heard that their father had attained supreme
,.. perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
,.. objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
,.. weeping, followed after them.
,..
,.. "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
,.. along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
,.. hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
,.. all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
,.. place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
,.. thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
,.. alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
,.. arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
,.. to the ground.
Also, Shakyamuni and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands roughly in parallel:
Quoting the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282
,.. “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
,.. the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
,.. attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
,.. ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
,.. immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
,.. of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
,.. of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
,.. region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
,.. Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
,.. southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
,.. Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
,.. one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
,.. Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
,.. Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
,.. are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
,.. other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
,.. buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
,.. Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
,.. Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
,.. one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
,.. King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
,.. named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
,.. SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
,.. SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
And later he points out all the others that will preach the Lotus Sutra just like he did, including his cousin, Devadatta, who tried to murder him and replace him.
If I could so easily refute Nichiren Daishonin using the Lotus Sutra, he could never have won a single debate, or even finished a lecture on the Lotus Sutra without being refuted by his disciples.
Your distorted view of Buddhism literally cannot have been Nichiren Daishonin's view! It is IMPOSSIBLE!
Neither you nor Mark Rogow have ever responded to this point of agony in your twisted Nichiren Shu doctrine. Your distorted view of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra is completely and idiotically wrong.
And using fallacious reasoning, like the ad hominem method of calling me a brainwashed hobo, simply is proof of your fallacy: since you cannot address my argument in any rational way, you irrationally challenge the person making the argument by name-calling. So transparently wrong!
-Chas.
JazzIs TvRicky
Oct 29, 2017, 11:56:46 PM10/29/17
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Here he discouraged Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra!
On the FourStages of Faith and the Five Stages of Practice
Nichiren Teaches
“Nevertheless, I will comply with your wishes and cite some passages. In the ninth volume of the Hokke Mongu we read: "There is a danger that a beginner will be led astray by subordinate concerns, and that this will interfere with the primary practice. The beginner should directly give all his attention to embracing the sutra; that is the highest type of offering. Though one may set aside formal practices, if one maintains [meditation on] the principle, then the benefits will be many and far-reaching."
In this passage of commentary, "subordinate concerns" refers to the five paramitas. If the beginner tries to practice the five paramitas at the same time [that he embraces the Lotus Sutra], that may work to obstruct his primary practice, which is faith. Such a person will be like a small ship that is loaded with wealth and treasure and sets out to cross the sea. Both the ship and the treasure will sink. And the words "should directly give all his attention to embracing the sutra" do not refer to the sutra as a whole. They mean that one should embrace the daimoku, or title, of the sutra exclusively and not mix it with other passages. Even recitation of the entire sutra is not permitted.”
Nichiren
study of Nichiren’s Teachings are pitiful and shameful for you have used this Gosho in your own demented post and acted as though you have mastered it!
Caught again! Hatie😳
You lack of faith and fake Gosho Readings tell us how inept your comprehension of Nichiren’s Teachings are.
Go get some education and Chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo to keep up with beginners in practice!
I am really amazed at your stupidity! Chas and Katie
On the FourStages of Faith and the Five Stages of Practice
Nichiren Teaches
“Nevertheless, I will comply with your wishes and cite some passages. In the ninth volume of the Hokke Mongu we read: "There is a danger that a beginner will be led astray by subordinate concerns, and that this will interfere with the primary practice. The beginner should directly give all his attention to embracing the sutra; that is the highest type of offering. Though one may set aside formal practices, if one maintains [meditation on] the principle, then the benefits will be many and far-reaching."
In this passage of commentary, "subordinate concerns" refers to the five paramitas. If the beginner tries to practice the five paramitas at the same time [that he embraces the Lotus Sutra], that may work to obstruct his primary practice, which is faith. Such a person will be like a small ship that is loaded with wealth and treasure and sets out to cross the sea. Both the ship and the treasure will sink. And the words "should directly give all his attention to embracing the sutra" do not refer to the sutra as a whole. They mean that one should embrace the daimoku, or title, of the sutra exclusively and not mix it with other passages. Even recitation of the entire sutra is not permitted.”
Nichiren
study of Nichiren’s Teachings are pitiful and shameful for you have used this Gosho in your own demented post and acted as though you have mastered it!
Caught again! Hatie😳
You lack of faith and fake Gosho Readings tell us how inept your comprehension of Nichiren’s Teachings are.
Go get some education and Chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo to keep up with beginners in practice!
I am really amazed at your stupidity! Chas and Katie
Chas.
Oct 30, 2017, 1:16:39 PM10/30/17
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Ricky Is The Laziest Babbling Fraud In Nichiren Buddhism, EVER! +
On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
[snip]
> No where in Nichiren’s Post Sado Teachings dose he equate the Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra with “Faith”!
>
> As I have said in the Debate on Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects” your affinity towards Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your lack of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
>
> The Guilt Teachings of Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects is evident in your insistence of going against Nichiren’s Teachings and promoting the sell of Gongyo Books which your SGI-USA CULT changes often and regularly!
>
[snip]
>
> You are a deceptive and devious Slanderer if Nichiren’s Teachings Chas
>
> Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨🏫 of The Law
As pre-Sado Island teachings go, it is illustrative of the practice Nichiren Daishonin continued to his death (recitation of part of the Hoben chapter and the Jigage verse section of the Juryo chapter), so I am getting it right and conversely it is you, Ricky who are the fraud.
Here are the Gosho passages refuting your ignorant rantings. In all of these post-Sado writings Nichiren Daishonin discusses doing gongyo as a filial act in appreciation of the Lotus Sutra and Shakyamuni Buddha who preached it (as the supplementary and not as the primary practice):
In 1275, "Reply to the Lay Priest Soya", WND I, p. 486:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/58#para-0
In 1275, "Letter to Hōren", WND I, p. 513, again on p. 516, again on p. 517, and finally on p. 518:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-74
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-95
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-104
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-105
In 1275, "New Year’s Greeting", WND II, p. 530:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/243#para-1
In 1276, "The Fourteen Slanders", WND I, p. 756:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/92#para-4
In his 1276 autobiography of the Sado history, "The Actions of the Votary of the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 768:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/93#para-25
In 1280, "On Filial and Unfilial Conduct", WND I p. 1033:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/146#para-0
In 1280, "White Horses and White Swans", WND I, p. 1066 second paragraph, and again on the same page, fourth paragraph:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-1
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-3
Finally, at the end of 1280 and less than two years before his death, "Reply to the Mother of Ueno", WND I, p. 1072:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/154#para-0
The fact that you have made destroying Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Gongyo your cause celebre and that second fact that Nichiren Daishonin's own writings utterly refute you over and over, exposes the third fact that YOU, RICKY, ARE UNIQUE AS THE SINGLE LAZIEST BABBLING FRAUDULENT COMMENTATOR ON THE SUBJECT OF NICHIREN DAISHONIN'S PRACTICE OF THE BUDDHISM OF THE LOTUS SUTRA, EVER!
-Chas.
On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
[snip]
> No where in Nichiren’s Post Sado Teachings dose he equate the Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra with “Faith”!
>
> As I have said in the Debate on Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects” your affinity towards Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your lack of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
>
> The Guilt Teachings of Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects is evident in your insistence of going against Nichiren’s Teachings and promoting the sell of Gongyo Books which your SGI-USA CULT changes often and regularly!
>
[snip]
>
> You are a deceptive and devious Slanderer if Nichiren’s Teachings Chas
>
> Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨🏫 of The Law
As pre-Sado Island teachings go, it is illustrative of the practice Nichiren Daishonin continued to his death (recitation of part of the Hoben chapter and the Jigage verse section of the Juryo chapter), so I am getting it right and conversely it is you, Ricky who are the fraud.
Here are the Gosho passages refuting your ignorant rantings. In all of these post-Sado writings Nichiren Daishonin discusses doing gongyo as a filial act in appreciation of the Lotus Sutra and Shakyamuni Buddha who preached it (as the supplementary and not as the primary practice):
In 1275, "Reply to the Lay Priest Soya", WND I, p. 486:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/58#para-0
In 1275, "Letter to Hōren", WND I, p. 513, again on p. 516, again on p. 517, and finally on p. 518:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-74
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-95
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-104
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-105
In 1275, "New Year’s Greeting", WND II, p. 530:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/243#para-1
In 1276, "The Fourteen Slanders", WND I, p. 756:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/92#para-4
In his 1276 autobiography of the Sado history, "The Actions of the Votary of the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 768:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/93#para-25
In 1280, "On Filial and Unfilial Conduct", WND I p. 1033:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/146#para-0
In 1280, "White Horses and White Swans", WND I, p. 1066 second paragraph, and again on the same page, fourth paragraph:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-1
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-3
Finally, at the end of 1280 and less than two years before his death, "Reply to the Mother of Ueno", WND I, p. 1072:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/154#para-0
The fact that you have made destroying Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Gongyo your cause celebre and that second fact that Nichiren Daishonin's own writings utterly refute you over and over, exposes the third fact that YOU, RICKY, ARE UNIQUE AS THE SINGLE LAZIEST BABBLING FRAUDULENT COMMENTATOR ON THE SUBJECT OF NICHIREN DAISHONIN'S PRACTICE OF THE BUDDHISM OF THE LOTUS SUTRA, EVER!
-Chas.
JazzIs TvRicky
Oct 31, 2017, 4:57:24 PM10/31/17
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Traitors you are Chas. Toda would not tolerate your presence period!
Chas.
Nov 1, 2017, 12:38:36 PM11/1/17
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Deflecting won't work. Your position on Gongyo is an affront to anyone who actually bothers to read the Gosho, everyone now knows this:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/f57xtj81RVk/fkp7oKHhAgAJ
To make it perfectly clear anon, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.
-Chas.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/f57xtj81RVk/fkp7oKHhAgAJ
To make it perfectly clear anon, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.
-Chas.
JazzIs TvRicky
Aug 8, 2018, 2:00:43 AM8/8/18
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Great post👋
JazzIs TvRicky
Jan 15, 2019, 6:46:17 PM1/15/19
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FYI
Katie Higgins
Jan 15, 2019, 7:16:13 PM1/15/19
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On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 7:07:16 PM UTC-5, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> Josei Toda had taught that true "reform" did not come from external activism and politics. He stressed the internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening, inside each person, was the only way to create a peaceful world. His idea of global awakening and bringing peace to the world, was not about political ideology. He was not a marxist.
>
> Daisaku Ikeda, who had taken over the Gakkai two years after Toda passed away, was a marxist, as was clear from reading the English version of "Daisaku Ikeda's Complete Works, Vol 1" composed of Ikeda's writings in the early 1960's.
>
> In Japan, "Ultranationalism" was shunned after defeat in WW2, at the same time there was a moderate patriotism, a middle path, between ultranationalism and One-Worldism.
>
> On the surface, the ideal of one peaceful world of equal, enlightened people would be a dream that could fit in with a Buddhist aspirations, but here is where political ideology can corrupt Buddhism. The secular, atheist, Globalist, Political ideologies, seek to erase national boundaries and individual cultures. They seek to equalize all religions to the extreme, as a step to eventually eradicate all religion in favor of a supreme, global government.
>
> Josei Toda, during his shakubuku propagation campaigns in Japan, had once said, "We are at war with all other religions," which was essentially Nichiren Daishonin's teaching, internal to Japan.
>
> Nichiren Daishonin was a patriot of Japan. On one hand he was against Chinese control of Buddhism, coming from Shingon and Tientai or other sects that had cone to Japan from China. He was a nationalist and patriot. At the same time, he never indicated Ultranationalism, where Japan would control the world because of Japanese divinity and inherent supremacy, as the WW2 Shinto militarists preached.
>
> Chigaku Tanaka the earlier lay Nichiren Sect leader and other leaders within the offshoots of the Nichiren sects, was an
> Ultranationalist. The behavior of all the established Nichiren sects, including Nichiren Shoshu, were complicit with the military Shinto Ultranationalism, even though it deviated from Nichiren Daishonin's teachings. Some Nichiren Shoshu priests such as Ogasawara, began preaching that Buddhism was subservient to Shinto deities including the deified Japanese Emperor.
>
> These deviations, in the most basic way, ignore the buddhist principle of the Middle Way.
>
> John Lennon is usually seen by conservatives as a leftist or a Marxist, even though there is evidence he was politically conservative himself. I am positive, the idealism in the lyrics of Imagine is not based in political ideology and transcends religious bias, but came as a result of Lennon's personal, religious revelations, which are looking ahead to a future time which he could imagine, when all people would be enlightened.
>
> The lyrics to Imagine are loved and used by the globalists because they speak of wiping out national sovereignty and borders and wiping out religion, two important goals of today's One-Worlders.
>
> "Imagine there's no heaven
> It's easy if you try
> No hell below us
> Above us only sky
> Imagine all the people living for today
> Imagine there's no countries
> It isn't hard to do
> Nothing to kill or die for
> And no religion too
> Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
> You may say I'm a dreamer
> But I'm not the only one
> I hope some day you'll join us
> And the world will be as one
> Imagine no possessions
> I wonder if you can
> No need for greed or hunger
> A brotherhood of man
> Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
> You may say I'm a dreamer
> But I'm not the only one
> I hope some day you'll join us
> And the world will be as one"
>
>
> The contradictions with the Buddhist teaching of the "Saha" world should be obvious. Also the contradictions with the Gakkai of today's, political activism, should be obvious to anyone, honestly reflecting.
>
> Going back to what Josei Toda said---"that true reform did not come from external activism and politics, but only the internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening, internal to each person," it is fundamental that real Buddhism knows that one cannot skip steps of real, Buddhist awakening and jump ahead to a magical Utopia. Even Daisaku Ikeda had, early on, echoed Toda's teaching in this regard, when he wrote about shallow Utopianism. I think after his Club of Rome connections he became corrupted by the political Globalists and One Worlders. For example, his adoption of Environmental activism, totally pushed aside the real meaning of Esho Funi, as if activism, corresponds with internal reform.
>
> (To be continued- including how various cultures karmically differ and the unique mission of the USA, in the propagation of real Buddhism as taught by George M. Williams and squashed by Daisaku Ikeda. Abolishing Nuclear weapons requires genuine, widespread enlightenment, not shallow political activism and idealism.)
I don't think "internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening " is based on Nichiren's teachings and life example--in other words, what you are talking about here just looks like another example of how Toda. Makiguchi and Ikeda "co-opted" Nichiren's teachings for their own personal agendas/goals. It all amounted to the primary need for a living "mentor" and membership in a 'for profit" organization, or rather an organization that profits from the dependence of its members. This is a far cry from Nichiren's example of propagation and practice!
I also think that George Williams legacy is his pitiful decline, which needless to say does not accord with the "merits of the Buddha" Nichiren attained and taught were the "benefit" and actual proof of a correct mind of faith and practice of the Lotus Sutra.
~Katie
> Josei Toda had taught that true "reform" did not come from external activism and politics. He stressed the internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening, inside each person, was the only way to create a peaceful world. His idea of global awakening and bringing peace to the world, was not about political ideology. He was not a marxist.
>
> Daisaku Ikeda, who had taken over the Gakkai two years after Toda passed away, was a marxist, as was clear from reading the English version of "Daisaku Ikeda's Complete Works, Vol 1" composed of Ikeda's writings in the early 1960's.
>
> In Japan, "Ultranationalism" was shunned after defeat in WW2, at the same time there was a moderate patriotism, a middle path, between ultranationalism and One-Worldism.
>
> On the surface, the ideal of one peaceful world of equal, enlightened people would be a dream that could fit in with a Buddhist aspirations, but here is where political ideology can corrupt Buddhism. The secular, atheist, Globalist, Political ideologies, seek to erase national boundaries and individual cultures. They seek to equalize all religions to the extreme, as a step to eventually eradicate all religion in favor of a supreme, global government.
>
> Josei Toda, during his shakubuku propagation campaigns in Japan, had once said, "We are at war with all other religions," which was essentially Nichiren Daishonin's teaching, internal to Japan.
>
> Nichiren Daishonin was a patriot of Japan. On one hand he was against Chinese control of Buddhism, coming from Shingon and Tientai or other sects that had cone to Japan from China. He was a nationalist and patriot. At the same time, he never indicated Ultranationalism, where Japan would control the world because of Japanese divinity and inherent supremacy, as the WW2 Shinto militarists preached.
>
> Chigaku Tanaka the earlier lay Nichiren Sect leader and other leaders within the offshoots of the Nichiren sects, was an
> Ultranationalist. The behavior of all the established Nichiren sects, including Nichiren Shoshu, were complicit with the military Shinto Ultranationalism, even though it deviated from Nichiren Daishonin's teachings. Some Nichiren Shoshu priests such as Ogasawara, began preaching that Buddhism was subservient to Shinto deities including the deified Japanese Emperor.
>
> These deviations, in the most basic way, ignore the buddhist principle of the Middle Way.
>
> There is a difference between the correct, core teachings of Nichiren Shoshu and Soka Gakkai and how some Priests and later lay leaders have twisted them.
>
> We often hear political leftists and globalists, referencing John Lennon's lyrics to his song "Imagine." I think it is useful to dissect these lyrics, in light of todays political and religious turmoil and confusion and the above topics I bringing up.
> There is a difference between the correct, core teachings of Nichiren Shoshu and Soka Gakkai and how some Priests and later lay leaders have twisted them.
>
>
> John Lennon is usually seen by conservatives as a leftist or a Marxist, even though there is evidence he was politically conservative himself. I am positive, the idealism in the lyrics of Imagine is not based in political ideology and transcends religious bias, but came as a result of Lennon's personal, religious revelations, which are looking ahead to a future time which he could imagine, when all people would be enlightened.
>
> The lyrics to Imagine are loved and used by the globalists because they speak of wiping out national sovereignty and borders and wiping out religion, two important goals of today's One-Worlders.
>
> "Imagine there's no heaven
> It's easy if you try
> No hell below us
> Above us only sky
> Imagine all the people living for today
> Imagine there's no countries
> It isn't hard to do
> Nothing to kill or die for
> And no religion too
> Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
> You may say I'm a dreamer
> But I'm not the only one
> I hope some day you'll join us
> And the world will be as one
> Imagine no possessions
> I wonder if you can
> No need for greed or hunger
> A brotherhood of man
> Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
> You may say I'm a dreamer
> But I'm not the only one
> I hope some day you'll join us
> And the world will be as one"
>
>
> The contradictions with the Buddhist teaching of the "Saha" world should be obvious. Also the contradictions with the Gakkai of today's, political activism, should be obvious to anyone, honestly reflecting.
>
> Going back to what Josei Toda said---"that true reform did not come from external activism and politics, but only the internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening, internal to each person," it is fundamental that real Buddhism knows that one cannot skip steps of real, Buddhist awakening and jump ahead to a magical Utopia. Even Daisaku Ikeda had, early on, echoed Toda's teaching in this regard, when he wrote about shallow Utopianism. I think after his Club of Rome connections he became corrupted by the political Globalists and One Worlders. For example, his adoption of Environmental activism, totally pushed aside the real meaning of Esho Funi, as if activism, corresponds with internal reform.
>
> (To be continued- including how various cultures karmically differ and the unique mission of the USA, in the propagation of real Buddhism as taught by George M. Williams and squashed by Daisaku Ikeda. Abolishing Nuclear weapons requires genuine, widespread enlightenment, not shallow political activism and idealism.)
I don't think "internal revolution of True Buddhist awakening " is based on Nichiren's teachings and life example--in other words, what you are talking about here just looks like another example of how Toda. Makiguchi and Ikeda "co-opted" Nichiren's teachings for their own personal agendas/goals. It all amounted to the primary need for a living "mentor" and membership in a 'for profit" organization, or rather an organization that profits from the dependence of its members. This is a far cry from Nichiren's example of propagation and practice!
I also think that George Williams legacy is his pitiful decline, which needless to say does not accord with the "merits of the Buddha" Nichiren attained and taught were the "benefit" and actual proof of a correct mind of faith and practice of the Lotus Sutra.
~Katie
Katie Higgins
Jan 15, 2019, 7:33:34 PM1/15/19
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Makiguchi's "confession"- (recall he was Toda's mentor):
> “Soka Kyoiku-gakkai is unique in that it is a combination of the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin and my own philosophy of values. By becoming a Nichiren Shoshu priest I would be unable to teach anything except the doctrine of their faith, therefore I will not enter this sect.” (Showa Tokko Dan Atsu Shi — History of Oppression by the Secret Police in Showa Period, Part IV.)
"Makiguchi had his own ideas of religion and he chose Nichiren's Buddhism as well suited to his ideas of religion. So he interpreted Nichiren's Buddhism originally by his own ideas of religion" ( "The Lotus Sutra and Makiguchi and Toda" by Koichi Miyata )
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 15, 2019, 10:40:08 PM1/15/19
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Katie Higgins Needs to Share Her True Opinion +
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 9:52:45 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
> >
> > Katie Higgins, you not only demean, you knowingly lie when you demean.
> >
> > How could I look up and find such pertinent Gosho quotes clobbering all your foolish statue-worshiping distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, if I did not read the Gosho and the Lotus Sutra?
> >
> > So, on it's face your screed reveals you as blatantly lying.
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> Sorry? Did you change the topic from accusing me of agreeing with Ricky?
>
> Now you want to accuse me of not noticing you have NEVER provided a single credible refutation of Nichiren's original writings --posted here by me and Mark --regularly!
>
> Your blathering rants and accusations are a hoot!! BTW --
>
> Just sayin'-- in case you are seriously trying to rattle me :_)
>
> ~Katie
Of course, both you and I consider each other's views as distorted, since they are 180 degrees apart. The truth will be revealed at the deathbed.
Nevertheless, my views have the virtue of the attributes of logic, science and faith in the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra as Nichiren Daishonin calls it.
Your virtues are mostly fallacious reasoning: appeal to authority, circular logic, and fundamentally bad self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
Your idolatry is a betrayal of what Nichiren Daishonin calls the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon and Nichiren Daishonin who inscribed his life in Sumi ink to leave us with it.
Was Nichiren Daishonin a Buddha, Katie Higgins? Answer that direct question. Stop playing with semantics and dodging the question. You agree that he attained Buddhahood, but was he a Buddha? He never referred to himself that way, but what is your opinion? Can anyone else but Shakyamuni be a Buddha?
Out with the truth, you have heard mine, share yours with us.
-Chas.
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 9:52:45 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
> >
> > Katie Higgins, you not only demean, you knowingly lie when you demean.
> >
> > How could I look up and find such pertinent Gosho quotes clobbering all your foolish statue-worshiping distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, if I did not read the Gosho and the Lotus Sutra?
> >
> > So, on it's face your screed reveals you as blatantly lying.
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> Sorry? Did you change the topic from accusing me of agreeing with Ricky?
>
> Now you want to accuse me of not noticing you have NEVER provided a single credible refutation of Nichiren's original writings --posted here by me and Mark --regularly!
>
> Your blathering rants and accusations are a hoot!! BTW --
>
> Just sayin'-- in case you are seriously trying to rattle me :_)
>
> ~Katie
Of course, both you and I consider each other's views as distorted, since they are 180 degrees apart. The truth will be revealed at the deathbed.
Nevertheless, my views have the virtue of the attributes of logic, science and faith in the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra as Nichiren Daishonin calls it.
Your virtues are mostly fallacious reasoning: appeal to authority, circular logic, and fundamentally bad self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
Your idolatry is a betrayal of what Nichiren Daishonin calls the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon and Nichiren Daishonin who inscribed his life in Sumi ink to leave us with it.
Was Nichiren Daishonin a Buddha, Katie Higgins? Answer that direct question. Stop playing with semantics and dodging the question. You agree that he attained Buddhahood, but was he a Buddha? He never referred to himself that way, but what is your opinion? Can anyone else but Shakyamuni be a Buddha?
Out with the truth, you have heard mine, share yours with us.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 16, 2019, 11:05:51 PM1/16/19
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Chas.
Jan 17, 2019, 6:13:42 AM1/17/19
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On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 1:35:45 PM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
>
> Nichiren IS a Buddha. No doubt. an emanation of Shakyamuni Buddha-- just as he predicted.
[snip]
You are quoting the opinions of half-baked non-Buddhist scholars like Asai Yorin, Shigyo Kaishu, and of course Stone. These people don't know what they are looking at, or what they are talking about, because they do not practice Nichiren Buddhism.
That is an utter waste of time.
And when you finally did answer that Nichiren Daishonin is a Buddha, you added "an emanation of Shakyamuni". Shakyamuni died somewhat less than 3000 years ago, never to return. That name is gone, and no one will ever have it again, certainly not him, when he arises again in another life. Will he then be an emanation of himself? In computing that's called infinite recursion.
Here's another conundrum for you: When he was the not-yet-enlightened son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence (from chapter 7 of the Lotus Sutra), who was a Buddha preaching the Lotus Sutra to his 16 sons, before he had Shakyamuni his 16th son, was he an emanation of Shakyamuni creating Shakyamuni? More infinite recursion. When Great Universal Wisdom Excellence preached the Lotus Sutra to his sons, and the ceremony in the air occurred, was his unenlightened son sitting next to Many Treasures, or was that Great Universal Wisdom Excellence sitting there preaching the Law to the Bodhisattvas of the earth?
Here's another conundrum for you: When Shakyamuni returns and preaches the Lotus Sutra "under a different name" (as he predicts in the Life Span chapter 16 of the Lotus Sutra), will he be sitting with Many Treasures in the Treasure Tower, or will that be the deceased man whose statues you worship? Will the Gohonzon in that Buddha realm have the name Shakyamuni written in Chinese characters that no one can read or remember who that is?
Your self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... those literal interpretations are refuted by reason and the Lotus Sutra: they make no sense whatsoever.
As Nichiren Daishonin says, the common mortal is the true Buddha, and everyone reciting the Lotus Sutra or chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is manifesting the eternal Buddha, whose eternal name is written in large characters down the middle of the Gohonzon: Myoho-Renge.
This is why we we don't chant Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, we chant the daimoku of the Lotus Sutra and eschew falsely deifying Shakyamuni.
-Chas.
>
> Nichiren IS a Buddha. No doubt. an emanation of Shakyamuni Buddha-- just as he predicted.
[snip]
You are quoting the opinions of half-baked non-Buddhist scholars like Asai Yorin, Shigyo Kaishu, and of course Stone. These people don't know what they are looking at, or what they are talking about, because they do not practice Nichiren Buddhism.
That is an utter waste of time.
And when you finally did answer that Nichiren Daishonin is a Buddha, you added "an emanation of Shakyamuni". Shakyamuni died somewhat less than 3000 years ago, never to return. That name is gone, and no one will ever have it again, certainly not him, when he arises again in another life. Will he then be an emanation of himself? In computing that's called infinite recursion.
Here's another conundrum for you: When he was the not-yet-enlightened son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence (from chapter 7 of the Lotus Sutra), who was a Buddha preaching the Lotus Sutra to his 16 sons, before he had Shakyamuni his 16th son, was he an emanation of Shakyamuni creating Shakyamuni? More infinite recursion. When Great Universal Wisdom Excellence preached the Lotus Sutra to his sons, and the ceremony in the air occurred, was his unenlightened son sitting next to Many Treasures, or was that Great Universal Wisdom Excellence sitting there preaching the Law to the Bodhisattvas of the earth?
Here's another conundrum for you: When Shakyamuni returns and preaches the Lotus Sutra "under a different name" (as he predicts in the Life Span chapter 16 of the Lotus Sutra), will he be sitting with Many Treasures in the Treasure Tower, or will that be the deceased man whose statues you worship? Will the Gohonzon in that Buddha realm have the name Shakyamuni written in Chinese characters that no one can read or remember who that is?
Your self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... those literal interpretations are refuted by reason and the Lotus Sutra: they make no sense whatsoever.
As Nichiren Daishonin says, the common mortal is the true Buddha, and everyone reciting the Lotus Sutra or chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is manifesting the eternal Buddha, whose eternal name is written in large characters down the middle of the Gohonzon: Myoho-Renge.
This is why we we don't chant Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, we chant the daimoku of the Lotus Sutra and eschew falsely deifying Shakyamuni.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
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Katie Higgins
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Here is a good read for those who have concerns about the SGI's history and its divergence from Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism:
Makiguchi's "confession"- (recall he was Toda's mentor):
> “Soka Kyoiku-gakkai is unique in that it is a combination of the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin and my own philosophy of values. By becoming a Nichiren Shoshu priest I would be unable to teach anything except the doctrine of their faith, therefore I will not enter this sect.” (Showa Tokko Dan Atsu Shi — History of Oppression by the Secret Police in Showa Period, Part IV.)
"Makiguchi had his own ideas of religion and he chose Nichiren's Buddhism as well suited to his ideas of religion. So he interpreted Nichiren's Buddhism originally by his own ideas of religion" ( "The Lotus Sutra and Makiguchi and Toda" by Koichi Miyata )
~Katie
THE TOPIC -- REFRESHED!
Makiguchi's "confession"- (recall he was Toda's mentor):
> “Soka Kyoiku-gakkai is unique in that it is a combination of the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin and my own philosophy of values. By becoming a Nichiren Shoshu priest I would be unable to teach anything except the doctrine of their faith, therefore I will not enter this sect.” (Showa Tokko Dan Atsu Shi — History of Oppression by the Secret Police in Showa Period, Part IV.)
"Makiguchi had his own ideas of religion and he chose Nichiren's Buddhism as well suited to his ideas of religion. So he interpreted Nichiren's Buddhism originally by his own ideas of religion" ( "The Lotus Sutra and Makiguchi and Toda" by Koichi Miyata )
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 18, 2019, 2:53:52 AM1/18/19
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Meet Dr. Jacqueline Stone [snip]
Now, you know I do not receive alms from the icchantika, so I don't click on your URLs. Post it in clear text, or keep it to yourself.
The man named Shakyamuni, who had 23 chromosome pairs like we do, had his death recorded in the Nirvana Sutra. Your self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... those interpretations violate reason, science and the Lotus Sutra, which talks about thousands of Buddhas like Shakyamuni preaching the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms, raising the treasure tower under different names, but the one constant in the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and not the name of the Lion of the Shakyas, and not his image recorded in the statues you worship.
Your problem, Katie Higgins, is that you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes", which are simply quotes because Nichiren Daishonin never says "here I am speaking directly", you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes" would, if interpreted literally, call the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies, because the Buddha in the Lotus Sutra says the exact opposite thing to your self-serving idolatrous interpretation of Nichiren Daishonin's words in the Gosho IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES IN THE LOTUS SUTRA. . . . . . . . . .
Hence, neither I nor anyone else, should believe in your self-serving literal interpretation. We should believe Nichiren Daishonin when he says that the Lotus Sutra is the true teaching and not a pack of lies which you clearly consider it to be. WHAT YOU SAY that Nichiren Daishonin says IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HE SAYS. Your literal interpretation is self-serving: distorted in support of statue-worshiping idolatry. . . . . . . . . . . . .
And even if a part of the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra is not the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings THAT YOU HAPPEN to like, ALL OF THE LOTUS SUTRA is the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings when he calls it the true teaching and supreme over all teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra, quoted at the bottom of this posting. . . . . . . . . . . . .
One of these days I will get through to you and you will understand this point and take it to heart, of this I have no doubt. What you have to say bears no resemblance to the truth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It does not matter the skill of the interpreter that you have placed your trust in more than you trust the verity of Shakyamuni preaching the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra, supreme over all other teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra was preached. Any expedient teaching, such as the Gosho, cannot be interpreted to make the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies as you have done, and they have done. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Nichiren Daishonin would never have, for a single moment, stood for replacing the Lotus Sutra as the supreme teaching and the true teaching with his collected writings. He never, ever said or even implied this. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What a pile of crap your arguments are. Nichiren Daishonin does not explicitly declare that his teachings are separate from all other teachings that the Lotus Sutra is superior to. That is a bald-faced lie. Like I've said many times, the Lotus Sutra does not lie: whether it is spoken by the Shakyamuni Buddha of the essential teaching, or Katie Higgins of the essential teaching, it is always true. That means you are the Buddha of beginningless time when you recite the Jiga-Ge, Katie. The Lotus Sutra is the eternal truth from anyone's mouth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It is not I that make these claims, they come from the Gosho and the Lotus Sutra, itself. Only the Lotus Sutra preaches the absolute truth, the unsurpassed way, not the Gosho or any other teaching, which are, according to Nichiren Daishonin, expedient teachings. All of the Buddhas (note that there are more than one, and "all" includes Nichiren Daishonin) employ expedient means, according to the Lotus Sutra. The Gosho contains the Lotus Sutra, in the phrase Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, or Myoho-Renge-Kyo, but the Gosho is an expedient teaching according to Nichiren Daishonin's own words at the bottom. WE MUST TAKE HIS WORD ON THAT! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Certainly, I have shown Gosho passages that declare that ALL 69,384 characters of the Lotus Sutra are 'golden Buddhas" and that the Lotus Sutra is supreme over all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra was preached and that all other teachings (like the Gosho) are "expedient teachings" and must bow to the Lotus Sutra, which is the "true teaching" according to Nichiren Daishonin. That means that Nichiren Daishonin does not call the Lotus Sutra where Shakyamuni declares his family history a pack of lies. That means that when Nichiren Daishonin neglects to emphasize that fact that Shakyamuni WAS NOT the lone Buddha in the universe preaching the Lotus Sutra: in the remote past (his 15 elder brothers, father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and grandfather) and many after him (his many followers, his aunt/step mother (A WOMAN,) his son, his worst enemy Devadatta and the dragon king's daughter (A WOMAN,) and himself in the future under a different name) predicted to preach the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms ... that this is because he is fighting against false doctrines raising up other Buddhas named Amida, Mahavairochana, Yakushi-Nyorai, and the Zen void ... in other words Nichiren Daishonin is employing the expedient means (telling a partial truth) to do shakubuku amidst unfortunate circumstances. Your using those circumstances against him is none other that the intent of those evils: statue-worshiping, this time through your self-serving literal interpretation of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. Your idolatry is a betrayal of the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon and Nichiren Daishonin who inscribed his life in Sumi ink to leave us with it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
And here is Nichiren Daishonin speaking in general about all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra, and not excluding his own: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From "Embracing the Lotus Sutra," WND I, p. 57:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/8#para-15
. . .... And the Great Teacher Miao-lo stated: “Though other sutras
. . .... may call themselves the king among sutras, THERE IS NONE
. . .... THAT ANNOUNCES ITSELF AS FOREMOST AMONG ALL THE SUTRAS
. . .... PREACHED IN THE PAST, NOW BEING PREACHED, OR TO BE PREACHED
. . .... IN THE FUTURE. Thus one should understand them according to
. . .... the principle of ‘combining, excluding, corresponding, and
. . .... including.’” This passage of commentary is saying in
. . .... essence that EVEN IF THERE SHOULD BE A SUTRA THAT CALLS
. . .... ITSELF THE KING OF SUTRAS, IF IT DOES NOT ALSO DECLARE
. . .... ITSELF SUPERIOR TO THOSE PREACHED BEFORE IT AND THOSE TO BE
. . .... PREACHED AFTER, THEN ONE SHOULD KNOW THAT IT IS A SUTRA
. . .... BELONGING TO THE EXPEDIENT TEACHINGS.
-Chas. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Now, you know I do not receive alms from the icchantika, so I don't click on your URLs. Post it in clear text, or keep it to yourself.
The man named Shakyamuni, who had 23 chromosome pairs like we do, had his death recorded in the Nirvana Sutra. Your self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... those interpretations violate reason, science and the Lotus Sutra, which talks about thousands of Buddhas like Shakyamuni preaching the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms, raising the treasure tower under different names, but the one constant in the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and not the name of the Lion of the Shakyas, and not his image recorded in the statues you worship.
Your problem, Katie Higgins, is that you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes", which are simply quotes because Nichiren Daishonin never says "here I am speaking directly", you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes" would, if interpreted literally, call the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies, because the Buddha in the Lotus Sutra says the exact opposite thing to your self-serving idolatrous interpretation of Nichiren Daishonin's words in the Gosho IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES IN THE LOTUS SUTRA. . . . . . . . . .
Hence, neither I nor anyone else, should believe in your self-serving literal interpretation. We should believe Nichiren Daishonin when he says that the Lotus Sutra is the true teaching and not a pack of lies which you clearly consider it to be. WHAT YOU SAY that Nichiren Daishonin says IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HE SAYS. Your literal interpretation is self-serving: distorted in support of statue-worshiping idolatry. . . . . . . . . . . . .
And even if a part of the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra is not the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings THAT YOU HAPPEN to like, ALL OF THE LOTUS SUTRA is the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings when he calls it the true teaching and supreme over all teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra, quoted at the bottom of this posting. . . . . . . . . . . . .
One of these days I will get through to you and you will understand this point and take it to heart, of this I have no doubt. What you have to say bears no resemblance to the truth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It does not matter the skill of the interpreter that you have placed your trust in more than you trust the verity of Shakyamuni preaching the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra, supreme over all other teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra was preached. Any expedient teaching, such as the Gosho, cannot be interpreted to make the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies as you have done, and they have done. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Nichiren Daishonin would never have, for a single moment, stood for replacing the Lotus Sutra as the supreme teaching and the true teaching with his collected writings. He never, ever said or even implied this. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What a pile of crap your arguments are. Nichiren Daishonin does not explicitly declare that his teachings are separate from all other teachings that the Lotus Sutra is superior to. That is a bald-faced lie. Like I've said many times, the Lotus Sutra does not lie: whether it is spoken by the Shakyamuni Buddha of the essential teaching, or Katie Higgins of the essential teaching, it is always true. That means you are the Buddha of beginningless time when you recite the Jiga-Ge, Katie. The Lotus Sutra is the eternal truth from anyone's mouth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It is not I that make these claims, they come from the Gosho and the Lotus Sutra, itself. Only the Lotus Sutra preaches the absolute truth, the unsurpassed way, not the Gosho or any other teaching, which are, according to Nichiren Daishonin, expedient teachings. All of the Buddhas (note that there are more than one, and "all" includes Nichiren Daishonin) employ expedient means, according to the Lotus Sutra. The Gosho contains the Lotus Sutra, in the phrase Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, or Myoho-Renge-Kyo, but the Gosho is an expedient teaching according to Nichiren Daishonin's own words at the bottom. WE MUST TAKE HIS WORD ON THAT! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Certainly, I have shown Gosho passages that declare that ALL 69,384 characters of the Lotus Sutra are 'golden Buddhas" and that the Lotus Sutra is supreme over all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra was preached and that all other teachings (like the Gosho) are "expedient teachings" and must bow to the Lotus Sutra, which is the "true teaching" according to Nichiren Daishonin. That means that Nichiren Daishonin does not call the Lotus Sutra where Shakyamuni declares his family history a pack of lies. That means that when Nichiren Daishonin neglects to emphasize that fact that Shakyamuni WAS NOT the lone Buddha in the universe preaching the Lotus Sutra: in the remote past (his 15 elder brothers, father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and grandfather) and many after him (his many followers, his aunt/step mother (A WOMAN,) his son, his worst enemy Devadatta and the dragon king's daughter (A WOMAN,) and himself in the future under a different name) predicted to preach the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms ... that this is because he is fighting against false doctrines raising up other Buddhas named Amida, Mahavairochana, Yakushi-Nyorai, and the Zen void ... in other words Nichiren Daishonin is employing the expedient means (telling a partial truth) to do shakubuku amidst unfortunate circumstances. Your using those circumstances against him is none other that the intent of those evils: statue-worshiping, this time through your self-serving literal interpretation of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. Your idolatry is a betrayal of the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon and Nichiren Daishonin who inscribed his life in Sumi ink to leave us with it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
And here is Nichiren Daishonin speaking in general about all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra, and not excluding his own: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From "Embracing the Lotus Sutra," WND I, p. 57:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/8#para-15
. . .... And the Great Teacher Miao-lo stated: “Though other sutras
. . .... may call themselves the king among sutras, THERE IS NONE
. . .... THAT ANNOUNCES ITSELF AS FOREMOST AMONG ALL THE SUTRAS
. . .... PREACHED IN THE PAST, NOW BEING PREACHED, OR TO BE PREACHED
. . .... IN THE FUTURE. Thus one should understand them according to
. . .... the principle of ‘combining, excluding, corresponding, and
. . .... including.’” This passage of commentary is saying in
. . .... essence that EVEN IF THERE SHOULD BE A SUTRA THAT CALLS
. . .... ITSELF THE KING OF SUTRAS, IF IT DOES NOT ALSO DECLARE
. . .... ITSELF SUPERIOR TO THOSE PREACHED BEFORE IT AND THOSE TO BE
. . .... PREACHED AFTER, THEN ONE SHOULD KNOW THAT IT IS A SUTRA
. . .... BELONGING TO THE EXPEDIENT TEACHINGS.
-Chas. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Katie Higgins
Jan 18, 2019, 8:27:37 AM1/18/19
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Hey “Chules”— not expecting you to check out J. Stone’s web site. Your excuses for remaining ignorant are hilarious 😂
~Katie
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 18, 2019, 11:21:02 AM1/18/19
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On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 5:23:26 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> “faith in and understanding of the Lotus Sutra “- most definitely entails belief in and reverence for Shakyamuni Buddha! Recall the Dragon Kings daughter was in the assembly - listening to the Buddha preach the Lotus Sutra.
>
> You are taking a passage of the Gosho out of the context of Nichiren’s teachings on the importantance of the correct mind of faith in the correct doctrine.
>
> I think you are mistaken in your assumption that “ believing you are “inherently enlightened “ is all you need -/ Hobgaku is NOT Nichiren’s doctrine , Noel . I’m pretty sure you didn’t bother to read the excerpt of J.Stone’s article on this topic.
>
> The difficulty inherent in practicing as Nichiren taught is developing the correct mind of faith and accepting the correct doctrine . Your resistance is a good example of the difficulty —
>
> ~ Katie
Your version of Jackie Stone's crap distortions of Buddhism is just fine, Katie Higgins, wrong in any form is still wrong. She won't convince me that the Lotus Sutra is a pack of lies, either.
If we weren't the Buddha inherently, from whence would arise enlightenment, Cleveland, maybe? Buddhahood is not an evolution, it's a manifestation of an immanent noble self. This is why it happens instantly when you chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo. I don't need anyone else's soul to possess me. My soul, like Nichiren Daishonin's is Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and the name of the eternal Buddha of beginningless time is Myoho-Renge, not the "Lion of the Shakya Clan" Shakyamuni.
The man named Shakyamuni, who had 23 chromosome pairs like we do, had his death recorded in the Nirvana Sutra. Your self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... those interpretations violate reason, science and the Lotus Sutra, which talks about thousands of Buddhas like Shakyamuni preaching the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms, raising the treasure tower under different names, but the one constant in the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and not the name of the Lion of the Shakyas, and not his image recorded in the statues you worship. .
Your problem, Katie Higgins, is that you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes", which are simply quotes because Nichiren Daishonin never says "here I am speaking directly", you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes" would, if interpreted literally, call the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies, because the Buddha in the Lotus Sutra says the exact opposite thing to your self-serving idolatrous interpretation of Nichiren Daishonin's words in the Gosho IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES IN THE LOTUS SUTRA. . . . . . . . . . .
Hence, neither I nor anyone else, should believe in your self-serving literal interpretation. We should believe Nichiren Daishonin when he says that the Lotus Sutra is the true teaching and not a pack of lies which you clearly consider it to be. WHAT YOU SAY that Nichiren Daishonin says IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HE SAYS. Your literal interpretation is self-serving: distorted in support of statue-worshiping idolatry. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
And even if a part of the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra is not the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings THAT YOU HAPPEN to like, ALL OF THE LOTUS SUTRA is the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings when he calls it the true teaching and supreme over all teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra, quoted at the bottom of this posting. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
One of these days I will get through to you and you will understand this point and take it to heart, of this I have no doubt. What you have to say bears no resemblance to the truth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It does not matter the skill of the interpreter that you have placed your trust in more than you trust the verity of Shakyamuni preaching the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra, supreme over all other teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra was preached. Any expedient teaching, such as the Gosho, cannot be interpreted to make the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies as you have done, and they have done. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Nichiren Daishonin would never have, for a single moment, stood for replacing the Lotus Sutra as the supreme teaching and the true teaching with his collected writings. He never, ever said or even implied this. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What a pile of crap your arguments are. Nichiren Daishonin does not explicitly declare that his teachings are separate from all other teachings that the Lotus Sutra is superior to. That is a bald-faced lie. Like I've said many times, the Lotus Sutra does not lie: whether it is spoken by the Shakyamuni Buddha of the essential teaching, or Katie Higgins of the essential teaching, it is always true. That means you are the Buddha of beginningless time when you recite the Jiga-Ge, Katie. The Lotus Sutra is the eternal truth from anyone's mouth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It is not I that make these claims, they come from the Gosho and the Lotus Sutra, itself. Only the Lotus Sutra preaches the absolute truth, the unsurpassed way, not the Gosho or any other teaching, which are, according to Nichiren Daishonin, expedient teachings. All of the Buddhas (note that there are more than one, and "all" includes Nichiren Daishonin) employ expedient means, according to the Lotus Sutra. The Gosho contains the Lotus Sutra, in the phrase Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, or Myoho-Renge-Kyo, but the Gosho is an expedient teaching according to Nichiren Daishonin's own words at the bottom. WE MUST TAKE HIS WORD ON THAT! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Certainly, I have shown Gosho passages that declare that ALL 69,384 characters of the Lotus Sutra are 'golden Buddhas" and that the Lotus Sutra is supreme over all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra was preached and that all other teachings (like the Gosho) are "expedient teachings" and must bow to the Lotus Sutra, which is the "true teaching" according to Nichiren Daishonin. That means that Nichiren Daishonin does not call the Lotus Sutra where Shakyamuni declares his family history a pack of lies. That means that when Nichiren Daishonin neglects to emphasize that fact that Shakyamuni WAS NOT the lone Buddha in the universe preaching the Lotus Sutra: in the remote past (his 15 elder brothers, father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and grandfather) and many after him (his many followers, his aunt/step mother (A WOMAN,) his son, his worst enemy Devadatta and the dragon king's daughter (A WOMAN,) and himself in the future under a different name) predicted to preach the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms ... that this is because he is fighting against false doctrines raising up other Buddhas named Amida, Mahavairochana, Yakushi-Nyorai, and the Zen void ... in other words Nichiren Daishonin is employing the expedient means (telling a partial truth) to do shakubuku amidst unfortunate circumstances. Your using those circumstances against him is none other that the intent of those evils: statue-worshiping, this time through your self-serving literal interpretation of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. Your idolatry is a betrayal of the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon and Nichiren Daishonin who inscribed his life in Sumi ink to leave us with it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
And here is Nichiren Daishonin speaking in general about all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra, and not excluding his own: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From "Embracing the Lotus Sutra," WND I, p. 57:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/8#para-15
. .. ... And the Great Teacher Miao-lo stated: “Though other sutras
. .. ... may call themselves the king among sutras, THERE IS NONE
. .. ... THAT ANNOUNCES ITSELF AS FOREMOST AMONG ALL THE SUTRAS
. .. ... PREACHED IN THE PAST, NOW BEING PREACHED, OR TO BE PREACHED
. .. ... IN THE FUTURE. Thus one should understand them according to
. .. ... the principle of ‘combining, excluding, corresponding, and
. .. ... including.’” This passage of commentary is saying in
. .. ... essence that EVEN IF THERE SHOULD BE A SUTRA THAT CALLS
. .. ... ITSELF THE KING OF SUTRAS, IF IT DOES NOT ALSO DECLARE
. .. ... ITSELF SUPERIOR TO THOSE PREACHED BEFORE IT AND THOSE TO BE
. .. ... PREACHED AFTER, THEN ONE SHOULD KNOW THAT IT IS A SUTRA
. .. ... BELONGING TO THE EXPEDIENT TEACHINGS.
-Chas. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> “faith in and understanding of the Lotus Sutra “- most definitely entails belief in and reverence for Shakyamuni Buddha! Recall the Dragon Kings daughter was in the assembly - listening to the Buddha preach the Lotus Sutra.
>
> You are taking a passage of the Gosho out of the context of Nichiren’s teachings on the importantance of the correct mind of faith in the correct doctrine.
>
> I think you are mistaken in your assumption that “ believing you are “inherently enlightened “ is all you need -/ Hobgaku is NOT Nichiren’s doctrine , Noel . I’m pretty sure you didn’t bother to read the excerpt of J.Stone’s article on this topic.
>
> The difficulty inherent in practicing as Nichiren taught is developing the correct mind of faith and accepting the correct doctrine . Your resistance is a good example of the difficulty —
>
> ~ Katie
Your version of Jackie Stone's crap distortions of Buddhism is just fine, Katie Higgins, wrong in any form is still wrong. She won't convince me that the Lotus Sutra is a pack of lies, either.
If we weren't the Buddha inherently, from whence would arise enlightenment, Cleveland, maybe? Buddhahood is not an evolution, it's a manifestation of an immanent noble self. This is why it happens instantly when you chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo. I don't need anyone else's soul to possess me. My soul, like Nichiren Daishonin's is Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and the name of the eternal Buddha of beginningless time is Myoho-Renge, not the "Lion of the Shakya Clan" Shakyamuni.
The man named Shakyamuni, who had 23 chromosome pairs like we do, had his death recorded in the Nirvana Sutra. Your self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... those interpretations violate reason, science and the Lotus Sutra, which talks about thousands of Buddhas like Shakyamuni preaching the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms, raising the treasure tower under different names, but the one constant in the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and not the name of the Lion of the Shakyas, and not his image recorded in the statues you worship. .
Your problem, Katie Higgins, is that you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes", which are simply quotes because Nichiren Daishonin never says "here I am speaking directly", you cannot accept the fact that what you call "direct quotes" would, if interpreted literally, call the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies, because the Buddha in the Lotus Sutra says the exact opposite thing to your self-serving idolatrous interpretation of Nichiren Daishonin's words in the Gosho IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES IN THE LOTUS SUTRA. . . . . . . . . . .
Hence, neither I nor anyone else, should believe in your self-serving literal interpretation. We should believe Nichiren Daishonin when he says that the Lotus Sutra is the true teaching and not a pack of lies which you clearly consider it to be. WHAT YOU SAY that Nichiren Daishonin says IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HE SAYS. Your literal interpretation is self-serving: distorted in support of statue-worshiping idolatry. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
And even if a part of the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra is not the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings THAT YOU HAPPEN to like, ALL OF THE LOTUS SUTRA is the focus of Nichiren Daishonin's writings when he calls it the true teaching and supreme over all teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra, quoted at the bottom of this posting. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
One of these days I will get through to you and you will understand this point and take it to heart, of this I have no doubt. What you have to say bears no resemblance to the truth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It does not matter the skill of the interpreter that you have placed your trust in more than you trust the verity of Shakyamuni preaching the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra, supreme over all other teachings preached before or after the Lotus Sutra was preached. Any expedient teaching, such as the Gosho, cannot be interpreted to make the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies as you have done, and they have done. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What a pile of crap your arguments are. Nichiren Daishonin does not explicitly declare that his teachings are separate from all other teachings that the Lotus Sutra is superior to. That is a bald-faced lie. Like I've said many times, the Lotus Sutra does not lie: whether it is spoken by the Shakyamuni Buddha of the essential teaching, or Katie Higgins of the essential teaching, it is always true. That means you are the Buddha of beginningless time when you recite the Jiga-Ge, Katie. The Lotus Sutra is the eternal truth from anyone's mouth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It is not I that make these claims, they come from the Gosho and the Lotus Sutra, itself. Only the Lotus Sutra preaches the absolute truth, the unsurpassed way, not the Gosho or any other teaching, which are, according to Nichiren Daishonin, expedient teachings. All of the Buddhas (note that there are more than one, and "all" includes Nichiren Daishonin) employ expedient means, according to the Lotus Sutra. The Gosho contains the Lotus Sutra, in the phrase Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, or Myoho-Renge-Kyo, but the Gosho is an expedient teaching according to Nichiren Daishonin's own words at the bottom. WE MUST TAKE HIS WORD ON THAT! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Certainly, I have shown Gosho passages that declare that ALL 69,384 characters of the Lotus Sutra are 'golden Buddhas" and that the Lotus Sutra is supreme over all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra was preached and that all other teachings (like the Gosho) are "expedient teachings" and must bow to the Lotus Sutra, which is the "true teaching" according to Nichiren Daishonin. That means that Nichiren Daishonin does not call the Lotus Sutra where Shakyamuni declares his family history a pack of lies. That means that when Nichiren Daishonin neglects to emphasize that fact that Shakyamuni WAS NOT the lone Buddha in the universe preaching the Lotus Sutra: in the remote past (his 15 elder brothers, father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and grandfather) and many after him (his many followers, his aunt/step mother (A WOMAN,) his son, his worst enemy Devadatta and the dragon king's daughter (A WOMAN,) and himself in the future under a different name) predicted to preach the Lotus Sutra in their own Buddha realms ... that this is because he is fighting against false doctrines raising up other Buddhas named Amida, Mahavairochana, Yakushi-Nyorai, and the Zen void ... in other words Nichiren Daishonin is employing the expedient means (telling a partial truth) to do shakubuku amidst unfortunate circumstances. Your using those circumstances against him is none other that the intent of those evils: statue-worshiping, this time through your self-serving literal interpretation of the Gosho to support your traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to create a statue-worshiping cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. Your idolatry is a betrayal of the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon and Nichiren Daishonin who inscribed his life in Sumi ink to leave us with it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
And here is Nichiren Daishonin speaking in general about all teachings preached before and after the Lotus Sutra, and not excluding his own: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From "Embracing the Lotus Sutra," WND I, p. 57:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/8#para-15
. .. ... may call themselves the king among sutras, THERE IS NONE
. .. ... THAT ANNOUNCES ITSELF AS FOREMOST AMONG ALL THE SUTRAS
. .. ... PREACHED IN THE PAST, NOW BEING PREACHED, OR TO BE PREACHED
. .. ... IN THE FUTURE. Thus one should understand them according to
. .. ... the principle of ‘combining, excluding, corresponding, and
. .. ... including.’” This passage of commentary is saying in
. .. ... essence that EVEN IF THERE SHOULD BE A SUTRA THAT CALLS
. .. ... ITSELF THE KING OF SUTRAS, IF IT DOES NOT ALSO DECLARE
. .. ... ITSELF SUPERIOR TO THOSE PREACHED BEFORE IT AND THOSE TO BE
. .. ... PREACHED AFTER, THEN ONE SHOULD KNOW THAT IT IS A SUTRA
. .. ... BELONGING TO THE EXPEDIENT TEACHINGS.
-Chas. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
JazzIs TvRicky
Oct 19, 2019, 10:20:35 PM10/19/19
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The Present Moment
Nam myoho renge kyo
Nam myoho renge kyo
Nam myoho renge kyo
Isshin yokken butsu.
Fu ji shaku shinmyo.
From: Lecture on the Sutra
- Hoben and Juryo Chapters –
By JOSEI TODA
"When literally interpreted, the verse “Ji ga toku bur-rai” means: “Since I (Shakyamuni) attained enlightenment prior to
any other Buddha at Gohyakujintengo.”
This interpretation was completed by Tendai the Great who spread Shakyamuni’s Hokekyo with his most perfect interpretation for people in Zoho. Such an interpretation, however, cannot benefit those who live today in Mappo when Shakyamuni’s Hokekyo itself has lost the power of redemption.
From the viewpoint of the Daishonin’s Buddhism, the same verse reads, “Since I appeared at Gohyaku-jintengo for the purpose of redeeming those who followed me when I attained enlightenment at Kuon Ganjo.”
However, when the verse is interpreted completely as the Daishonin’s Juryo Chapter, its meaning is far more profound and philosophical.
Ga of “Ji ga toku bur-rai” means Hosshin (Buddha’s life), butsu means Hoshin (Buddha’s wisdom), and rai means Ojin (Buddha’s body). These three phases of life Nichiren Daishonin acquired by himself. Thus “Ji toku” means to ‘acquire by oneself’. The Daishonin obtained all of these at Kuon Ganjo or
in other words, the Daishonin has been the True Buddha since the infinite past.
This is true interpretation of “Ji ga toku bur-rai.” In the service of Gongyo, Nichiren Shoshu believers repudiate the superficial meaning of the sutra and use this interpretation, praising the supreme Buddha, Nichiren Daishonin.
Obviously, the cited verse, when used by the Daishonin, expounds the reality of ordinary people as well as the Buddha.
Now I will give you some brief account of Kuon Ganjo which is one of the most profound principles of Buddhism. In the realm of Shakyamuni’s Buddhism, Kuon Ganjo is indicative of an unimaginably distant past, but according to the Daishonin, it is with us today or in other words, the present moment is Kuon Ganjo.”
Deep.....
Nam myoho renge kyo
Nam myoho renge kyo
Nam myoho renge kyo
Isshin yokken butsu.
Fu ji shaku shinmyo.
From: Lecture on the Sutra
- Hoben and Juryo Chapters –
By JOSEI TODA
"When literally interpreted, the verse “Ji ga toku bur-rai” means: “Since I (Shakyamuni) attained enlightenment prior to
any other Buddha at Gohyakujintengo.”
This interpretation was completed by Tendai the Great who spread Shakyamuni’s Hokekyo with his most perfect interpretation for people in Zoho. Such an interpretation, however, cannot benefit those who live today in Mappo when Shakyamuni’s Hokekyo itself has lost the power of redemption.
From the viewpoint of the Daishonin’s Buddhism, the same verse reads, “Since I appeared at Gohyaku-jintengo for the purpose of redeeming those who followed me when I attained enlightenment at Kuon Ganjo.”
However, when the verse is interpreted completely as the Daishonin’s Juryo Chapter, its meaning is far more profound and philosophical.
Ga of “Ji ga toku bur-rai” means Hosshin (Buddha’s life), butsu means Hoshin (Buddha’s wisdom), and rai means Ojin (Buddha’s body). These three phases of life Nichiren Daishonin acquired by himself. Thus “Ji toku” means to ‘acquire by oneself’. The Daishonin obtained all of these at Kuon Ganjo or
in other words, the Daishonin has been the True Buddha since the infinite past.
This is true interpretation of “Ji ga toku bur-rai.” In the service of Gongyo, Nichiren Shoshu believers repudiate the superficial meaning of the sutra and use this interpretation, praising the supreme Buddha, Nichiren Daishonin.
Obviously, the cited verse, when used by the Daishonin, expounds the reality of ordinary people as well as the Buddha.
Now I will give you some brief account of Kuon Ganjo which is one of the most profound principles of Buddhism. In the realm of Shakyamuni’s Buddhism, Kuon Ganjo is indicative of an unimaginably distant past, but according to the Daishonin, it is with us today or in other words, the present moment is Kuon Ganjo.”
Deep.....
Chas.
Oct 20, 2019, 2:29:59 AM10/20/19
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As Usual, Ricky Is The Laziest Babbling Fraud In Nichiren Buddhism, Ever (and Nichiren Shoshu With Him) +
Not deep, Ricky, lazy as usual.
What Nichiren Shoshu believes is not in accordance with Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin who together founded the Fuji School. They have parted company with the Daishonin and Nikko's Fuji School and have demonically fashioned their own distorted rhetoric.
The direct translation of the beginning of the Jiga-ge is made by Burton Watson:
From the "Lotus Sutra: Life Span of the Thus Come One, p. 270:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-30
... Jiga toku bur-rai.
... Sho kyō sho kosshu.
... Muryō hyaku sen man.
... Oku sai asōgi.
...
... Translates to:
...
... Since I attained buddhahood
... the number of kalpas that have passed
... is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands,
... millions, trillions, asamkhyas.
This quote has three separate points in the Record of the Orally Written Teachings noted from Nichiren Daishonin's lectures on the Lotus Sutra, recorded by the Daishonin's closest follower, Nikko Shonin, and translated by Burton Watson and the Gosho Translation Committee. I have highlighted what Nichiren Daishonin is saying is both the simple implication and true inference for each of the three points, which is clearly not the confusing and distorting rhetoric of the NST priesthood:
From the "Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, Chapter Sixteen: The Life Span of the Thus Come One - Twenty-seven important points", p. 133-134:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-2/16#para-59
... Point Eleven, regarding the passage “[Ever] since I
... attained Buddhahood / the number of kalpas that have passed /
... is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, /
... millions, trillions, asamkhyas.” [Note 5: The passage is
... retranslated here to make Nichiren’s meaning clear. The
... passage consists of five Chinese characters: ji ga toku
... butsu rai. It means “Since I attained Buddhahood.”
... Literally, however, these five characters mean,
... respectively, since or ego, I or self, attain or gain,
... Buddhahood or Buddha, and “ever” or come. Nichiren combined
... these characters in two ways in order to clarify that all
... living beings inherently possess the Ten Worlds and the
... three bodies: First, the “Buddha” that “has attained” both
... the “since” (“ego” or the nine worlds) and the “I” (“self”
... or Buddhahood) “has come”; and second, “I” (the Dharma
... body), “Buddhahood” (the reward body), and “ever” (“come”
... or the manifested body) are “self-attained.”]
...
... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: The
... traditional interpretation of this passage holds that it
... refers in this one sentence to the three bodies of a
... Buddha. The word “since” refers to the nine worlds other
... than Buddhahood, while the word “I” refers to the world of
... Buddhahood. It is saying that these Ten Worlds are part of
... the makeup of a Buddha with his eternally endowed three
... bodies. The Buddha includes both the “since” and the “I,”
... which makes it clear that he has from the very beginning
... possessed all Ten Worlds.
...
... “I” stands for the Dharma body, “Buddhahood” stands for the
... reward body, and “ever” stands for the manifested body.
... These three bodies have been self-attained by the ancient
... Buddha who is without beginning or end. The same idea is
... expressed in the passage that reads, “This cluster of
... unsurpassed jewels / has come to us unsought” (chapter
... four, Belief and Understanding). Thus we see that the
... passages in this chapter that reveal the original
... enlightenment of the Buddha and the extremely great length
... of his life span are something never to be found in the
... other sutra teachings.
...
... NOW WHEN NICHIREN AND HIS FOLLOWERS CHANT
... NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, THEY ARE ACTING AS VOTARIES OF THESE
... WORDS, “SINCE I ATTAINED BUDDHAHOOD.”
From the "Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, Chapter Sixteen: The Life Span of the Thus Come One - Twenty-seven important points", p. 140:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-2/16#para-99
... Point Twenty-one, on the Jigage, or verse (ge) section,
... that begins with the words Jiga, or “Since I”
...
... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: The
... word “Since” refers to the nine worlds, while the word “I”
... refers to the “body of a Buddha.” [Note 7: See note 5,
... above] The ge, or verse, presents the principle of the
... teachings, the principle that both the nine worlds and
... Buddhahood exist in one’s original state of life. One
... should ponder it deeply.
...
... THE EXPRESSION OF THIS PRINCIPLE IS NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO.
From the "Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, Chapter Sixteen: The Life Span of the Thus Come One - Twenty-seven important points", , p. 140-141:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-2/16#para-102
... Point Twenty-two, on the beginning and end of the Jigage
... section
...
... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: The
... word “Since” (ji [which also means self or freely]) marks
... the beginning of the verse section, and the words “quickly
... acquire the body (shin) of a Buddha” mark the end. The
... beginning and end are “since” and “body,” which make up
... ji-shin (oneself). The words that are in between represent
... the receiving (ju) and use (yū) [of the boundless benefits
... inherent in oneself]. Hence the Jigage section represents
... “the body [inherently endowed with boundless benefits] that
... is freely received and used” (ji-ju-yū-shin), or the Buddha
... of limitless joy.
...
... If one realizes that the Dharma-realm is identical with
... oneself, then the Dharma-realm is the Buddha of limitless
... joy; hence there is nothing that is not contained in the
... Jigage section.
...
... “The body that is freely received and used” is none other
... than the principle of three thousand realms in a single
... moment of life. Dengyō says, “A single moment of life
... comprising the three thousand realms is itself ‘the body
... that is freely received and used’ [or the Buddha of
... limitless joy]. [Note 8: This means that the single moment
... of life that pervades the Dharma-realm, which comprises
... three thousand realms, is personified as the self that
... freely receives and uses its boundless inherent benefits.
... Jijuyūshin is translated as “the body [inherently endowed
... with boundless benefits] that is freely received and
... used.”] ‘The body that is freely received and used’ is the
... Buddha who has forsaken august appearances. This Buddha who
... has forsaken august appearances is the Buddha eternally
... endowed with the three bodies.”
...
... NOW NICHIREN AND HIS FOLLOWERS, WHO CHANT
... NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, ARE JUST THIS.
Note how clearly and obviously Nichiren Daishonin makes these three points, which point to the identical practice, and which are backed up by the indisputable doctrine of the Lotus Sutra in his explanation.
Compare this to the doctrines of Nichiren Shoshu, which following the intent of their confusing and distorting rhetoric, making the case that you need a priest to explain Buddhism to you and help you in attaining some tiny sliver of their "deep" enlightenment.
As we say in the SGI, whenever someone says or implies that they have a "special connection" with the truth, or some other person who possesses that truth: they are slandering Buddhism and destroying the Buddha's intent, which is made crystal clear by Nichiren Daishonin, above, for anyone to see and follow.
This is different from mentor and disciple, which means in practice, someone must lead the organization and that we all need to follow in itai-doshin: the unity of many in body and one in the mind of faith in the Lotus Sutra.
For us in the SGI, that mentor is Sensei, and he has made it perfectly clear, just how "special" he thinks that each and every member of the SGI is: that we are Bodhisattva-Buddhas following Nichiren Daishonin's Kosen Rufu intent. The characteristics of a Buddha ARE the practice of a Bodhisattva.
Even if some days, I feel a whole lot less than Sensei's view of my true aspect, I hold fast to his faith in me.
-Chas.
___________________________________________________________
What Nichiren Shoshu believes is not in accordance with Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin who together founded the Fuji School. They have parted company with the Daishonin and Nikko's Fuji School and have demonically fashioned their own distorted rhetoric.
The direct translation of the beginning of the Jiga-ge is made by Burton Watson:
From the "Lotus Sutra: Life Span of the Thus Come One, p. 270:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-30
... Jiga toku bur-rai.
... Sho kyō sho kosshu.
... Muryō hyaku sen man.
... Oku sai asōgi.
...
... Translates to:
...
... Since I attained buddhahood
... the number of kalpas that have passed
... is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands,
... millions, trillions, asamkhyas.
This quote has three separate points in the Record of the Orally Written Teachings noted from Nichiren Daishonin's lectures on the Lotus Sutra, recorded by the Daishonin's closest follower, Nikko Shonin, and translated by Burton Watson and the Gosho Translation Committee. I have highlighted what Nichiren Daishonin is saying is both the simple implication and true inference for each of the three points, which is clearly not the confusing and distorting rhetoric of the NST priesthood:
From the "Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, Chapter Sixteen: The Life Span of the Thus Come One - Twenty-seven important points", p. 133-134:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-2/16#para-59
... Point Eleven, regarding the passage “[Ever] since I
... attained Buddhahood / the number of kalpas that have passed /
... is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, /
... millions, trillions, asamkhyas.” [Note 5: The passage is
... retranslated here to make Nichiren’s meaning clear. The
... passage consists of five Chinese characters: ji ga toku
... butsu rai. It means “Since I attained Buddhahood.”
... Literally, however, these five characters mean,
... respectively, since or ego, I or self, attain or gain,
... Buddhahood or Buddha, and “ever” or come. Nichiren combined
... these characters in two ways in order to clarify that all
... living beings inherently possess the Ten Worlds and the
... three bodies: First, the “Buddha” that “has attained” both
... the “since” (“ego” or the nine worlds) and the “I” (“self”
... or Buddhahood) “has come”; and second, “I” (the Dharma
... body), “Buddhahood” (the reward body), and “ever” (“come”
... or the manifested body) are “self-attained.”]
...
... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: The
... traditional interpretation of this passage holds that it
... refers in this one sentence to the three bodies of a
... Buddha. The word “since” refers to the nine worlds other
... than Buddhahood, while the word “I” refers to the world of
... Buddhahood. It is saying that these Ten Worlds are part of
... the makeup of a Buddha with his eternally endowed three
... bodies. The Buddha includes both the “since” and the “I,”
... which makes it clear that he has from the very beginning
... possessed all Ten Worlds.
...
... “I” stands for the Dharma body, “Buddhahood” stands for the
... reward body, and “ever” stands for the manifested body.
... These three bodies have been self-attained by the ancient
... Buddha who is without beginning or end. The same idea is
... expressed in the passage that reads, “This cluster of
... unsurpassed jewels / has come to us unsought” (chapter
... four, Belief and Understanding). Thus we see that the
... passages in this chapter that reveal the original
... enlightenment of the Buddha and the extremely great length
... of his life span are something never to be found in the
... other sutra teachings.
...
... NOW WHEN NICHIREN AND HIS FOLLOWERS CHANT
... NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, THEY ARE ACTING AS VOTARIES OF THESE
... WORDS, “SINCE I ATTAINED BUDDHAHOOD.”
From the "Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, Chapter Sixteen: The Life Span of the Thus Come One - Twenty-seven important points", p. 140:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-2/16#para-99
... Point Twenty-one, on the Jigage, or verse (ge) section,
... that begins with the words Jiga, or “Since I”
...
... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: The
... word “Since” refers to the nine worlds, while the word “I”
... refers to the “body of a Buddha.” [Note 7: See note 5,
... above] The ge, or verse, presents the principle of the
... teachings, the principle that both the nine worlds and
... Buddhahood exist in one’s original state of life. One
... should ponder it deeply.
...
... THE EXPRESSION OF THIS PRINCIPLE IS NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO.
From the "Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, Chapter Sixteen: The Life Span of the Thus Come One - Twenty-seven important points", , p. 140-141:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-2/16#para-102
... Point Twenty-two, on the beginning and end of the Jigage
... section
...
... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: The
... word “Since” (ji [which also means self or freely]) marks
... the beginning of the verse section, and the words “quickly
... acquire the body (shin) of a Buddha” mark the end. The
... beginning and end are “since” and “body,” which make up
... ji-shin (oneself). The words that are in between represent
... the receiving (ju) and use (yū) [of the boundless benefits
... inherent in oneself]. Hence the Jigage section represents
... “the body [inherently endowed with boundless benefits] that
... is freely received and used” (ji-ju-yū-shin), or the Buddha
... of limitless joy.
...
... If one realizes that the Dharma-realm is identical with
... oneself, then the Dharma-realm is the Buddha of limitless
... joy; hence there is nothing that is not contained in the
... Jigage section.
...
... “The body that is freely received and used” is none other
... than the principle of three thousand realms in a single
... moment of life. Dengyō says, “A single moment of life
... comprising the three thousand realms is itself ‘the body
... that is freely received and used’ [or the Buddha of
... limitless joy]. [Note 8: This means that the single moment
... of life that pervades the Dharma-realm, which comprises
... three thousand realms, is personified as the self that
... freely receives and uses its boundless inherent benefits.
... Jijuyūshin is translated as “the body [inherently endowed
... with boundless benefits] that is freely received and
... used.”] ‘The body that is freely received and used’ is the
... Buddha who has forsaken august appearances. This Buddha who
... has forsaken august appearances is the Buddha eternally
... endowed with the three bodies.”
...
... NOW NICHIREN AND HIS FOLLOWERS, WHO CHANT
... NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, ARE JUST THIS.
Note how clearly and obviously Nichiren Daishonin makes these three points, which point to the identical practice, and which are backed up by the indisputable doctrine of the Lotus Sutra in his explanation.
Compare this to the doctrines of Nichiren Shoshu, which following the intent of their confusing and distorting rhetoric, making the case that you need a priest to explain Buddhism to you and help you in attaining some tiny sliver of their "deep" enlightenment.
As we say in the SGI, whenever someone says or implies that they have a "special connection" with the truth, or some other person who possesses that truth: they are slandering Buddhism and destroying the Buddha's intent, which is made crystal clear by Nichiren Daishonin, above, for anyone to see and follow.
This is different from mentor and disciple, which means in practice, someone must lead the organization and that we all need to follow in itai-doshin: the unity of many in body and one in the mind of faith in the Lotus Sutra.
For us in the SGI, that mentor is Sensei, and he has made it perfectly clear, just how "special" he thinks that each and every member of the SGI is: that we are Bodhisattva-Buddhas following Nichiren Daishonin's Kosen Rufu intent. The characteristics of a Buddha ARE the practice of a Bodhisattva.
Even if some days, I feel a whole lot less than Sensei's view of my true aspect, I hold fast to his faith in me.
-Chas.
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