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Noel
Dec 21, 2017, 4:35:20 PM12/21/17
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"I, Nikko, saw the shadow and the figure of my master, Nichiren, as the Honzon very clearly on the sea surface when I was on a small boat with him while the boat was rocking with the gentle motion of the waves on our way. Thus, I, Nikko, copy the Gohonzon of my master without even a little difference, which I believe it has to be so!"
During the time when Nichiren was alive, there were two eras: When there were no Gohonzons before Tatsunokuchi and after Tatsunokuchi when he started inscribing Gohonzons. During these eras, there shouldn't have been any discrimination in practitioners faith because the essential faith was Namu Nichiren/devotion to Nichiren who revealed the Law of Namu Myoho Renge Kyo in his life.
In fact, his existence was the oneness of the person and the Law
So a perfect 10 world Gohonzon wasn't essential in those days
These days while he's not alive we need a complete replica of Nichiren's life the oneness of the person and the law. This can only be presented in a complete 10 world Gohonzon where the 3 truths are fully present enabling all the higher worlds to the lower worlds to be enlightened
You have to know that it doesn't get any better than a complete 10 world Gohonzon. This is the grand finale
During the time when Nichiren was alive, there were two eras: When there were no Gohonzons before Tatsunokuchi and after Tatsunokuchi when he started inscribing Gohonzons. During these eras, there shouldn't have been any discrimination in practitioners faith because the essential faith was Namu Nichiren/devotion to Nichiren who revealed the Law of Namu Myoho Renge Kyo in his life.
In fact, his existence was the oneness of the person and the Law
So a perfect 10 world Gohonzon wasn't essential in those days
These days while he's not alive we need a complete replica of Nichiren's life the oneness of the person and the law. This can only be presented in a complete 10 world Gohonzon where the 3 truths are fully present enabling all the higher worlds to the lower worlds to be enlightened
You have to know that it doesn't get any better than a complete 10 world Gohonzon. This is the grand finale
Chas.
Dec 21, 2017, 5:18:41 PM12/21/17
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So, he didn't mind giving a "low-function Gohonzon" to his most loyal followers from the early days, knowing he could have done better.
Certainly he must have had knowledge that there were no less than ten worlds, yes?
Knowing this and being at least as enlightened as Noel (in your deluded argument,) he would have to have less compassion than the Great and Wonderful Noel to have left HIS MOST LOYAL FOLLOWERS with those "low-function Gohonzons" after your fictitious "grand finale" Gohonzon.
So, in your mind you are superior to Nichiren Daishonin (and hence, Sensei) due to their lack of compassion in handing out "low-function Gohonzons" that were not "grand finale" Gohonzons.
HOWEVER, THE INFERENCE IS WORSE THAN THAT IN YOUR DELUDED ARGUMENT! ONLY THE "GRAND FINALE" GOHONZONS ARE SUPREME!
How many "grand finale" Gohonzons did he hand out? 5? 10?
Surely if they are supreme, then all those Gohonzons preceding that point are in fact, "LOW-FUNCTION GOHONZONS!"
So, after his death, when his perfect self (your deluded reasoning again) is no longer available to power up his "low-function Gohonzons," then all of his "low-function" followers would wither and their faith would perish.
Then, to Noel, Nichiren Daishonin is little more than another one of the faith-healing charlatans who start cults that wither and die after the death of the founder's charisma that keeps everything humming along" in this case recharging the cell-phone batteries of the "low-function Gohonzons," which will die now that to matching brand of charger is no longer available.
What an infernally stupid argument that is!
How can a human mind generate such unexamined garbage as the spew that keeps issuing out of Noel's head? Will wonders ever cease?
-Chas.
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On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:55:43 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
>
> It is up to you to look at Nichiren's Gohonzon charts that I have already provided you over and over again for examination that would tell you how many 10 world Gohonzons there are which is way more than 5 or 10 if you would pull your finger out and have a look
>
> I already know the answer and if I don't tell you, you would never know the answer because your such a low functioning hobo that's dependent on Ikeda's ghost ghostwriters for whatever leftover of regurgitated information they dish out to gluttonous low functioning low life scavengers like yourself
>
> From when he was 32 he first said Namu Myoho Renge Kyo. Until he was 50, eighteen years later no Gohonzon existed. His follower's practice was devotion to Nichiren(Namu Nichiren) chanting Daimoku and studying his letters which were enough for them to have temporary enlightenment.
>
Yeah, so? What you are saying in your addled mind is effectively this:
Noel's Illogic:
1. If Nichiren Daishonin's magical man-God powers conferred High-Function-Gohonzon-like effects on his followers during his magical life, then after he died and those magical powers waned, then the vast majority of his Gohonzons conferred (WHICH WERE NOT Noel's "grand finale" Gohonzons) would now express their Low-Function-Gohonzon effects and his followers would suffer incalculable evil effects.
2. This is due to the utter disregard in which Nichiren Daishonin held them due to his limited imagination (Oh, I can die, what will happen to them then?)
3. Therefore in Noel's logic: Nichiren Daishonin is a crappy Buddha.
-Chas.
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Noel
Dec 21, 2017, 9:34:25 PM12/21/17
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1)Has the Gohonzon been written by Nichiren ?
2)Does the person who has Nichirens Gohonzon have devotion to Nichiren ?
If these requirements have been met then it doesn't matter if the Gohonzon isn't a complete 10 world Gohonzon.
Because Nichiren is Buddha there is no discrimination between complete and incomplete Gohonzons
Gohonzons that are not written by Nichiren create discrimination between complete and not complete Gohonzons because the High Priests that wrote them are not Buddhas.
Even though the power of Nichirens Gohonzons are equal, since he declared his mission complete in Koan 2nd, I still think that the inscriptions of his 10 world Gohonzons is what made it complete. It's the best thing we can have in this age of quarell and dispute when Shakyamuni Buddha’s teachings have fallen into confusion and lost their power to lead people to enlightenment.
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The 2nd least effective conditions:
1) the 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
2) Devotion to Nichiren
Even those that have complete transcribed 10 world Gohonzons that are written by priests will lose the benefits from the practice if their devotion is not to Nichiren
The 3rd least effective conditions:
1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
2) Devotion to Nichiren
Devotion to Nichiren may compromise not having 10 world Gohonzons because Nichiren is the oneness of the Person and the Law
The 4th least effective conditions:
1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
2) not devoted to Nichiren
Overall the worst scenario is having a High priest Gohonzon that doesn't have 10 worlds and members and leaders not having devotion to Nichiren/Sun Lotus who is Buddha of the oneness of the person and the law in this age of Mappo
Unfortunately, this fate is the present day reality of SGI.
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Any copy of Nichiren's Gohonzons by High priests that arent 10 worlds aren't such a good idea when they are given out to people. Those type of Gohonzons should only be for the priest's private collection. I think Nichikan's was one for private collection that slipped through the safety net that Ikeda seems to have strategically bought from a young priest who couldn't care less.
An original Nichiren 10 world Gohonzon is the image of Nichiren the Buddha of absolute freedom in the Latter Day of the Law
Chas.
Dec 22, 2017, 3:06:57 AM12/22/17
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Noel And His Crazy High-Function Versus Low-Function Gohonzon Logic +
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:26:18 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
[snip]
>
> From Tatsunokuchi Nichiren said he died that meant he revealed that he has become Buddha
>
> At that time he inscribed his first Gohonzon just before he went to Sado. This was the beginning of his mission of inscribing Gohonzons for the people of Mappo
>
> The Gohonzons kept on improving from just Namu Myoho Renge Kyo gradually adding more until Koan 2nd when they became complete as Nichiren said this is the completion of my mission
>
> From when he was 32 he first said Namu Myoho Renge Kyo. Until he was 50, eighteen years latter no Gohonzon existed. His follower's practice was devotion to Nichiren(Namu Nichiren) chanting Daimoku and studying his letters which were enough for them to have temporary enlightenment.
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:26:18 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
[snip]
>
> From Tatsunokuchi Nichiren said he died that meant he revealed that he has become Buddha
>
> At that time he inscribed his first Gohonzon just before he went to Sado. This was the beginning of his mission of inscribing Gohonzons for the people of Mappo
>
> The Gohonzons kept on improving from just Namu Myoho Renge Kyo gradually adding more until Koan 2nd when they became complete as Nichiren said this is the completion of my mission
>
> From when he was 32 he first said Namu Myoho Renge Kyo. Until he was 50, eighteen years latter no Gohonzon existed. His follower's practice was devotion to Nichiren(Namu Nichiren) chanting Daimoku and studying his letters which were enough for them to have temporary enlightenment.
Chas.
Dec 22, 2017, 3:10:49 AM12/22/17
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The Seven Questions Noel Simply Cannot Face Regarding His Hatred of Nichiren Daishonin +
Responding to the following post, which may become deleted out of embarrassment:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/uW7dASM3NC4/ywEtC41pCQAJ
On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 11:39:26 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 2:33:54 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > > "Its not just an image in black and white, the Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically."
> > >
> > > Then you can chant to Shakyamuni's or Nichiren's statue and percieve the Gohonzon with your kind of faith that doesn't need optical representations better still all you have to do is think it as it already exists the unseen dimension
> >
> > No, I said the GOHONZON has unseen dimensions, not my mind or some statues. I perceive them when I chant. They only exist in the GOHONZON.
> >
> > You have a real problem parsing an English sentence, Noel. Maybe some remedial reading classes? Glasses?
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> The true aspect and all phenomena have to be present to be a holistic presentation of our life,in other words they have to be side by side because the true aspect doesn't exist by itself. If you have to look into unseen dimensions of the Gohonzon to complete the 10 worlds every time you do gongyo you would have to be visualizing the 5 worlds that are not there so you could transform them.
>
> Since the oneness of true aspect and all phenomena are already present in Nichirens 10 world Gohonzons I don't have to stress about remembering the missing worlds each time I do gongyo or wishfully believe that they are there just so I can justify having a five world Gohonzon as you do
>
> We perceive whatever we like in our mind games and Buddhism is a mind game that your really bad at playing because of your narrow perception of Buddhism. The Gohonzon exists in the seen and unseen to the minutest material phenomena to that which is beyond matter as an infinite potential to the manifestation of that potential that is in my room as a copy of an original 10 world Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon that is missing in your practice and why your practice is only a partial truth that slanders the higher truth...Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
What you just said, Noel, reveals a lot that you did not intend about what you have not perceived, that any person chanting to a Gohonzon ... that was NOT stolen AND NOT received from traitors that turned away from Nichiren Daishonin the moment that he died and actually a long time before that ... will actually perceive. And that's probably why all the worlds are inscribed onto that Gohonzon for you.
Since I have your attention ...
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This was posted in ARBN, responding to a question, which I mentioned should be directed to someone knowledgable in the SGI:
... This from Soka Spirit.
...
... 3) They claim There are Missing Characters on Nichikan
... Gohonzon
...
... There are characters on the Nikken and Nittatsu transcribed
... Gohonzon that are not on the Nichikan Gohonzon. The essence
... of the Gohonzon is the inscription that embodies the power
... of the Law and the power of the Buddha, or
... “Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.” This inscription represents the
... enlightened life of Nichiren Daishonin; this is the heart
... of the Gohonzon.
...
... The surrounding names which represent the mutual possession
... of the Ten Worlds are secondary and have varied since
... Nichiren began inscribing Gohonzon. Not all of the Gohonzon
... inscribed by Nichiren are the same by any means. For
... example, of the 120 extant Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon,
... only about a third contain the name Devadatta representing
... the world of Hell; only 65 contain Shariputra and
... Maudgalayana representing people of the two vehicles, and
... so on.
...
... After the Daishonin’s death, successive high priests
... exercised their own judgment in how to represent the
... principle of the Ten Worlds.
...
... As usual with this practice, if one has enough seeking
... spirit, one finds the answers one is looking for.
There we go. When the people following Nichiren Shu parade around their stolen Gohonzon obtained there, proclaiming that they have a true ten-world Gohonzon, they are like a Matador holding up the ears of the bull that they have just killed to the roar of the crowd. The prostrate forms of the Buddhas in the ten direction that they have slain are literally everywhere.
What they will never perceive with a stolen Gohonzon, due to the slander involved in receiving it, is what was heard from the SGI: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the middle is all you need to manifest the ten worlds and all the other jewels in the treasure tower of your life, mirrored in the Gohonzon. The cause for that is chanting with faith, and in the early going, hope substitutes for that faith (because one hopes it might just work.)
It's not just an image in black and white, Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically.
I have seven questions for those minions of darkness at Nichiren Shu waving around their stolen "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon":
1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
2. Do those authentic Nichiren non-ten-world Gohonzon work, or not?
3. Did Nichiren Daishonin actually give his followers Gohonzon that were non-functional, or did he chant to them and see that they worked?
4. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin could be so intentionally cruel to his devoted followers?
5. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin to be so irresponsibly lazy and careless to neglect to chant to those few hundred Gohonzon that he just spent much careful time inscribing for his followers: to quality assure that the most important product of his life might function properly?
6. Do you really believe Nichiren Daishonin is that stupid? Or do you just hate him that much?
7. And, by the way, do you think that your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon" has EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY secondary item inscribed on it from all the Gohonzon Nichiren Daishonin ever inscribed? What are YOU missing on your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon"?
Actually, I can answer that one for you: you have missed entirely everything and all the points of Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Lotus Sutra Buddhism. What you have found is a pointed, utter hatred of Nichiren Daishonin, his followers and the Lotus Sutra, by chanting to a Gohonzon received from the traitors and murderers of Nichiren Shu that now worship statues and chant to stolen Gohonzon copied from those that should only belong to Nichiren Daishonin's true followers pursuing his Kosen Rufu movement.
I would suggest that Nichiren Daishonin inscribed secondary items on some Gohonzon to personalize the Gohonzon in areas of concern, for those followers who needed a leg up to get on their horse and ride. Those who distort that act of deep and thoughtful compassion have turned Nichiren Daishonin's concern for an individual follower and their family, into a weapon of mass destruction to attack his Kosen Rufu movement. Some serious batsu, there!
-Chas.
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> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 3:16:31 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > 1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
>
> BS I didn't call any of Nichiren's Goshos fake. Seems like your just pulling this out of your rectum?
Ah, now if you do not call any of the Goshos "faked" like Katie Higgins and Mark Rogow do, then you have to accept the verdict that Nichiren Daishonin calls you a liar.
Nichiren Daishonin never says that the Gohonzon that he gave out that were missing some of what you call the "ten world Gohonzon" inscriptions were second class in any way. He does not differentiate between what you imply are first class and second class Gohonzon.
If that is so (and it is) then you are making all of that up and calling Nichiren Daishonin a liar and a priest who bestows second class Gohonzon upon his most loyal followers.
You must then be a Nichiren Daishonin hater, just like I said. Deny it and you call yourself a liar.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:49:43 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> You are the one who has denied nichirens purpose of his advent that happened during Koan 2 when he started inscribing 10 world gohonzons
>
> Do you accept that the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to inscribe Gohonzons
How incredibly 180 degrees wrong of you.
No, the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to propagate the Law at the heart of the Lotus Sutra and lead the Bodhisattvas of the Earth in the Kosen Rufu movement in their vow to receive the Law, spread it widely and protect it without begrudging their lives. The purpose of writing the Gosho to establish the practice of Buddhism for the Latter Day of the Law employs the Gohonzon as a safety zone of focus for chanting and is the primary means to that end, by preventing his followers from chanting to the wrong objects of devotion, such as worshiping statues of a falsely deified Shakaymuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Jehovah.
How can you not get that simple primary point of the one chapter and two halves at the heart of the Ceremony in the Air in the Lotus Sutra, Noel?
The Gohonzon is not a magical object, with a more powerful "first-class" magic from a "ten-world" Gohonzon! How True Word Tantric is your wizardly thinking! The Gohonzon is literally the great desire of Nichiren Daishonin to protect his followers, the members of the SGI from slandering and hurting themselves, it is the love of a parent in the action of protecting their children.
Daimoku works just fine without the Gohonzon, Nichiren Daishonin chanted his way to inscribing the Gohonzon, before he ever saw one. As I pointed out in the past, Nichiren Daishonin in different places in the Gosho describes three things as the object of devotion, the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, the Lotus Sutra that contains it and the Gohonzon that is the mirror of that enlightened life state arising from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo. The key to that is the Law. Without chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, possessing the Gohonzon has little beneficial effect other than the hope you may chant to it later, and many potential risks until that time.
Of the thirty-two characteristics of the Buddha, the Gohonzon is missing one: the far-reaching voice of the Buddha. That sound of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo emerges from your enlightened Buddha life.
Get your head on straight, Noel.
-Chas.
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On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:41:19 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> Nichirens Gohonzons evolved from NMRK to 10 world Gohonzons. You just have to look at nichiren shu's 128 Gohonzons that I have posted many times The facts speak for themselves
>
> But I know you have an aversion to click on any link that hasnt been approved by your infantile imagination of what you think that the soka Gakkai deems as kosher
>
> Your not even up to date with the current state of the shifting sands of soka Gakkai
>
> You would have to be the most irrelevant person on arbn
So, now your argument is that there is a fine-grained evolutionary ladder of Gohonzon made by Nichiren Daishonin, from worst to best as he started off as the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and gradually became the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin.
According to your new theory, those first and most loyal followers who received their Gohonzon early on would obviously have been followers of the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the LOSERS in faith.
Those last arriving and most recent followers who held out for the very last and best Gohonzon would obviously have been followers of the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the WINNERS in faith.
Then, finding the very BEST Gohonzon would be the ultimate struggle to be the BEST follower of the BEST (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and that single Gohonzon might still be in private hands, or worse, have been lost to history.
Then a mad Gohonzon hunt and an evolutionary battle of the fittest would be necessary by all members of the human race, to become the VERY BEST (most true) follower of Nichiren Daishonin would commence, and that struggle might turn out to be in vain, since that pinnacle Gohonzon may have been lost.
That is the logical outcome from you views: the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
Contrasting your hellish belief system, is the view of the SGI, which I have heard many times from many leaders: simply that all that a Gohonzon needs to work is Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center, and your own far-reaching voice of the Buddha does the "Buddha's work".
In that view, ALL of Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzon and any qualifying Gohonzon (with Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center) are the BEST Gohonzon and ANYONE receiving one from the hands of Nichiren Daishonin's true followers (not from traitorous priests, nor a pirate website dispensing stolen Gohonzon downloads transmitted ultimately from a traitorous priesthood source and making that profoundly evil cause,) are obviously the followers of the BEST (MOST TRUE) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump might say, they are all, each and every single one, the WINNERS in faith.
In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
Nichiren Daishonin would then have been the very best Buddha with the best followers all along: no LOSERS, only WINNERS.
I must say, Noel, I like my world, my universe, a whole hell of a lot better than yours.
As everyone knows, there is simply no replacement for talent.
However, in my world, everyone is talented.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 1:40:45 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
[snip]
> >In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
>
> Then your the biggest loser
>
[snip the rest of the vitriol]
However, Noel's Fantasy Gohonzon Hunger Games is not the way the world is.
It is only in his mind that he is a winner, because he has found "the golden ticket".
Noel, Nichiren Daishonin is not Willy Wonka!
-Chas.
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On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 10:22:14 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 2:13:25 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 5:48:56 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > There you go again with your delusions of being Mr Right
> >
> > Proving once again by your descent into ignoratio elenchi, that you are avoiding the seven points by firing up the flak batteries.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi
> >
> > Like I said, you CANNOT ADDRESS MY SEVEN POINTS:
> >
> > The Seven Questions Noel Simply Cannot Face Regarding His Hatred of Nichiren Daishonin +
> >
> > Responding to the following post, which may become deleted out of embarrassment:
> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/uW7dASM3NC4/ywEtC41pCQAJ
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 11:39:26 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 2:33:54 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > > > On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > > > > "Its not just an image in black and white, the Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically."
> > > > >
> > > > > Then you can chant to Shakyamuni's or Nichiren's statue and percieve the Gohonzon with your kind of faith that doesn't need optical representations better still all you have to do is think it as it already exists the unseen dimension
> > > >
> > > > No, I said the GOHONZON has unseen dimensions, not my mind or some statues. I perceive them when I chant. They only exist in the GOHONZON.
> > > >
> > > > You have a real problem parsing an English sentence, Noel. Maybe some remedial reading classes? Glasses?
> > > >
> > > > -Chas.
> > >
> > > The true aspect and all phenomena have to be present to be a holistic presentation of our life,in other words they have to be side by side because the true aspect doesn't exist by itself. If you have to look into unseen dimensions of the Gohonzon to complete the 10 worlds every time you do gongyo you would have to be visualizing the 5 worlds that are not there so you could transform them.
> > >
> > > Since the oneness of true aspect and all phenomena are already present in Nichirens 10 world Gohonzons I don't have to stress about remembering the missing worlds each time I do gongyo or wishfully believe that they are there just so I can justify having a five world Gohonzon as you do
> > >
> > > We perceive whatever we like in our mind games and Buddhism is a mind game that your really bad at playing because of your narrow perception of Buddhism. The Gohonzon exists in the seen and unseen to the minutest material phenomena to that which is beyond matter as an infinite potential to the manifestation of that potential that is in my room as a copy of an original 10 world Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon that is missing in your practice and why your practice is only a partial truth that slanders the higher truth...Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
> >
> > What you just said, Noel, reveals a lot that you did not intend about what you have not perceived, that any person chanting to a Gohonzon ... that was NOT stolen AND NOT received from traitors that turned away from Nichiren Daishonin the moment that he died and actually a long time before that ... will actually perceive. And that's probably why all the worlds are inscribed onto that Gohonzon for you.
> >
> > Since I have your attention ...
> > ___________________________________________
> >
> > This was posted in ARBN, responding to a question, which I mentioned should be directed to someone knowledgable in the SGI:
> >
> > ... This from Soka Spirit.
> > ...
> > ... 3) They claim There are Missing Characters on Nichikan
> > ... Gohonzon
> > ...
> > ... There are characters on the Nikken and Nittatsu transcribed
> > ... Gohonzon that are not on the Nichikan Gohonzon. The essence
> > ... of the Gohonzon is the inscription that embodies the power
> > ... of the Law and the power of the Buddha, or
> > ... “Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.” This inscription represents the
> > ... enlightened life of Nichiren Daishonin; this is the heart
> > ... of the Gohonzon.
> > ...
> > ... The surrounding names which represent the mutual possession
> > ... of the Ten Worlds are secondary and have varied since
> > ... Nichiren began inscribing Gohonzon. Not all of the Gohonzon
> > ... inscribed by Nichiren are the same by any means. For
> > ... example, of the 120 extant Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon,
> > ... only about a third contain the name Devadatta representing
> > ... the world of Hell; only 65 contain Shariputra and
> > ... Maudgalayana representing people of the two vehicles, and
> > ... so on.
> > ...
> > ... After the Daishonin’s death, successive high priests
> > ... exercised their own judgment in how to represent the
> > ... principle of the Ten Worlds.
> > ...
> > ... As usual with this practice, if one has enough seeking
> > ... spirit, one finds the answers one is looking for.
> >
> > There we go. When the people following Nichiren Shu parade around their stolen Gohonzon obtained there, proclaiming that they have a true ten-world Gohonzon, they are like a Matador holding up the ears of the bull that they have just killed to the roar of the crowd. The prostrate forms of the Buddhas in the ten direction that they have slain are literally everywhere.
> >
> > What they will never perceive with a stolen Gohonzon, due to the slander involved in receiving it, is what was heard from the SGI: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the middle is all you need to manifest the ten worlds and all the other jewels in the treasure tower of your life, mirrored in the Gohonzon. The cause for that is chanting with faith, and in the early going, hope substitutes for that faith (because one hopes it might just work.)
> >
> > It's not just an image in black and white, Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically.
> >
> > I have seven questions for those minions of darkness at Nichiren Shu waving around their stolen "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon":
> >
> > 1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
> >
> > 2. Do those authentic Nichiren non-ten-world Gohonzon work, or not?
> >
> > 3. Did Nichiren Daishonin actually give his followers Gohonzon that were non-functional, or did he chant to them and see that they worked?
> >
> > 4. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin could be so intentionally cruel to his devoted followers?
> >
> > 5. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin to be so irresponsibly lazy and careless to neglect to chant to those few hundred Gohonzon that he just spent much careful time inscribing for his followers: to quality assure that the most important product of his life might function properly?
> >
> > 6. Do you really believe Nichiren Daishonin is that stupid? Or do you just hate him that much?
> >
> > 7. And, by the way, do you think that your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon" has EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY secondary item inscribed on it from all the Gohonzon Nichiren Daishonin ever inscribed? What are YOU missing on your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon"?
> >
> > Actually, I can answer that one for you: you have missed entirely everything and all the points of Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Lotus Sutra Buddhism. What you have found is a pointed, utter hatred of Nichiren Daishonin, his followers and the Lotus Sutra, by chanting to a Gohonzon received from the traitors and murderers of Nichiren Shu that now worship statues and chant to stolen Gohonzon copied from those that should only belong to Nichiren Daishonin's true followers pursuing his Kosen Rufu movement.
> >
> > I would suggest that Nichiren Daishonin inscribed secondary items on some Gohonzon to personalize the Gohonzon in areas of concern, for those followers who needed a leg up to get on their horse and ride. Those who distort that act of deep and thoughtful compassion have turned Nichiren Daishonin's concern for an individual follower and their family, into a weapon of mass destruction to attack his Kosen Rufu movement. Some serious batsu, there!
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 3:16:31 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > > > 1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
> > >
> > > BS I didn't call any of Nichiren's Goshos fake. Seems like your just pulling this out of your rectum?
> >
> > Ah, now if you do not call any of the Goshos "faked" like Katie Higgins and Mark Rogow do, then you have to accept the verdict that Nichiren Daishonin calls you a liar.
> >
> > Nichiren Daishonin never says that the Gohonzon that he gave out that were missing some of what you call the "ten world Gohonzon" inscriptions were second class in any way. He does not differentiate between what you imply are first class and second class Gohonzon.
> >
> > If that is so (and it is) then you are making all of that up and calling Nichiren Daishonin a liar and a priest who bestows second class Gohonzon upon his most loyal followers.
> >
> > You must then be a Nichiren Daishonin hater, just like I said. Deny it and you call yourself a liar.
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:49:43 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > You are the one who has denied nichirens purpose of his advent that happened during Koan 2 when he started inscribing 10 world gohonzons
> > >
> > > Do you accept that the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to inscribe Gohonzons
> >
> > How incredibly 180 degrees wrong of you.
> >
> > No, the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to propagate the Law at the heart of the Lotus Sutra and lead the Bodhisattvas of the Earth in the Kosen Rufu movement in their vow to receive the Law, spread it widely and protect it without begrudging their lives. The purpose of writing the Gosho to establish the practice of Buddhism for the Latter Day of the Law employs the Gohonzon as a safety zone of focus for chanting and is the primary means to that end, by preventing his followers from chanting to the wrong objects of devotion, such as worshiping statues of a falsely deified Shakaymuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Jehovah.
> >
> > How can you not get that simple primary point of the one chapter and two halves at the heart of the Ceremony in the Air in the Lotus Sutra, Noel?
> >
> > The Gohonzon is not a magical object, with a more powerful "first-class" magic from a "ten-world" Gohonzon! How True Word Tantric is your wizardly thinking! The Gohonzon is literally the great desire of Nichiren Daishonin to protect his followers, the members of the SGI from slandering and hurting themselves, it is the love of a parent in the action of protecting their children.
> >
> > Daimoku works just fine without the Gohonzon, Nichiren Daishonin chanted his way to inscribing the Gohonzon, before he ever saw one. As I pointed out in the past, Nichiren Daishonin in different places in the Gosho describes three things as the object of devotion, the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, the Lotus Sutra that contains it and the Gohonzon that is the mirror of that enlightened life state arising from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo. The key to that is the Law. Without chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, possessing the Gohonzon has little beneficial effect other than the hope you may chant to it later, and many potential risks until that time.
> >
> > Of the thirty-two characteristics of the Buddha, the Gohonzon is missing one: the far-reaching voice of the Buddha. That sound of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo emerges from your enlightened Buddha life.
> >
> > Get your head on straight, Noel.
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:41:19 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > Nichirens Gohonzons evolved from NMRK to 10 world Gohonzons. You just have to look at nichiren shu's 128 Gohonzons that I have posted many times The facts speak for themselves
> > >
> > > But I know you have an aversion to click on any link that hasnt been approved by your infantile imagination of what you think that the soka Gakkai deems as kosher
> > >
> > > Your not even up to date with the current state of the shifting sands of soka Gakkai
> > >
> > > You would have to be the most irrelevant person on arbn
> >
> > So, now your argument is that there is a fine-grained evolutionary ladder of Gohonzon made by Nichiren Daishonin, from worst to best as he started off as the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and gradually became the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin.
> >
> > According to your new theory, those first and most loyal followers who received their Gohonzon early on would obviously have been followers of the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the LOSERS in faith.
> >
> > Those last arriving and most recent followers who held out for the very last and best Gohonzon would obviously have been followers of the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the WINNERS in faith.
> >
> > Then, finding the very BEST Gohonzon would be the ultimate struggle to be the BEST follower of the BEST (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and that single Gohonzon might still be in private hands, or worse, have been lost to history.
> >
> > Then a mad Gohonzon hunt and an evolutionary battle of the fittest would be necessary by all members of the human race, to become the VERY BEST (most true) follower of Nichiren Daishonin would commence, and that struggle might turn out to be in vain, since that pinnacle Gohonzon may have been lost.
> >
> > That is the logical outcome from you views: the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
> >
> > Contrasting your hellish belief system, is the view of the SGI, which I have heard many times from many leaders: simply that all that a Gohonzon needs to work is Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center, and your own far-reaching voice of the Buddha does the "Buddha's work".
> >
> > In that view, ALL of Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzon and any qualifying Gohonzon (with Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center) are the BEST Gohonzon and ANYONE receiving one from the hands of Nichiren Daishonin's true followers (not from traitorous priests, nor a pirate website dispensing stolen Gohonzon downloads transmitted ultimately from a traitorous priesthood source and making that profoundly evil cause,) are obviously the followers of the BEST (MOST TRUE) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump might say, they are all, each and every single one, the WINNERS in faith.
> >
> > In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
> >
> > Nichiren Daishonin would then have been the very best Buddha with the best followers all along: no LOSERS, only WINNERS.
> >
> > I must say, Noel, I like my world, my universe, a whole hell of a lot better than yours.
> >
> > As everyone knows, there is simply no replacement for talent.
> >
> > However, in my world, everyone is talented.
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 1:40:45 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > >In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
> > >
> > > Then your the biggest loser
> > >
> >
> > [snip the rest of the vitriol]
> >
> > However, Noel's Fantasy Gohonzon Hunger Games is not the way the world is.
> >
> > It is only in his mind that he is a winner, because he has found "the golden ticket".
> >
> > Noel, Nichiren Daishonin is not Willy Wonka!
> >
> > =Chas.
>
> "Its not just an image in black and white, the Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically."
>
>
> Have you heard of the three truths 三諦 san-tai
>
> "three truths ［三諦］ ( san-tai): Also, threefold truth, triple truth, or three perceptions of the truth. The truth of non-substantiality, the truth of temporary existence, and the truth of the Middle Way.
>
> The three integral aspects of the truth, or ultimate reality, formulated by T’ien-t’ai (538–597) in The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra and Great Concentration and Insight.
>
> The truth of non-substantiality means that phenomena have no existence of their own; their true nature is non-substantial, indefinable in terms of existence or nonexistence.
>
> The truth of temporary existence means that, although non-substantial, all things possess a temporary reality that is in constant flux.
>
> The truth of the Middle Way means that the true nature of phenomena is that they are neither non-substantial nor temporary, though they display attributes of both. The Middle Way is the essence of things that continues either in a manifest or a latent state.
>
> According to T’ien-t’ai’s explanation, the Tripitaka teaching and the connecting teaching do not reveal the truth of the Middle Way and therefore lack the three truths.
>
> The specific teaching reveals the three truths but shows them as being separate from and independent of one another; that is, it does not teach that these three are inseparable aspects of all phenomena. This view is called the separation of the three truths.
>
> The perfect teaching views the three as an integral whole, each possessing all three within itself. This is called the unification of the three truths."
>
> A True 10 world Gohonzon is a perfect manifestation of the heart of the Lotus Sutra...ichinen sanzen
So, now you are saying that by inscribing and bestowing less-than-ten-world Gohonzon upon his most treasured followers before a certain date, that Nichiren Daishonin was slandering the three truths and guaranteeing that his most treasured followers would be slandering the three truths for the rest of their lives, and their families and descendants afterwards, in aeternum? That those Gohonzon would not work after his death? That the "supreme objecto of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" is not supreme?
If that were true, this guy Nichiren Daishonin would have to be hateful in the most sneaky way, because those folks would never know what hit them. However, it is clearly NOT TRUE and you are clearly WRONG ABOUT THIS, and Nichiren Daishonin's less-than-ten-world Gohonzon and his ten-world Gohonzon are the same "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", just different in appearance. And then the axiom that all that a Gohonzon needs to work is "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" down the middle sounds right.
Poor show, Noel.
-Chas.
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On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> You are the expert of knowing what has been written in arbn
>
> Can you please find my answers to your questions that I've already given you
I simply remember that your evasive answers were never relevant to my questions and always dodged them in critical ways. I don't remember the locations of those evasions, or have a notion of how to search for them.
Note that I do not think you can actually come up with honest and thoughtful answers and remain a follower of Nichiren Daishonin: because those answers would indicate either a turnaround in your thinking about the flawed nature of the early Gohonzons bestowed upon Nichiren Daishonin's closest followers, or your utter hatred and loathing of Nichiren Daishonin as a despicable betrayer of his earliest and closest followers.
You are in a box with no exit with a nuclear source connected to your demise, Schrödinger's Noel. When we open the box later, will you be dead or alive?
-Chas.
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Responding to the following post, which may become deleted out of embarrassment:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/uW7dASM3NC4/ywEtC41pCQAJ
On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 11:39:26 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 2:33:54 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > > "Its not just an image in black and white, the Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically."
> > >
> > > Then you can chant to Shakyamuni's or Nichiren's statue and percieve the Gohonzon with your kind of faith that doesn't need optical representations better still all you have to do is think it as it already exists the unseen dimension
> >
> > No, I said the GOHONZON has unseen dimensions, not my mind or some statues. I perceive them when I chant. They only exist in the GOHONZON.
> >
> > You have a real problem parsing an English sentence, Noel. Maybe some remedial reading classes? Glasses?
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> The true aspect and all phenomena have to be present to be a holistic presentation of our life,in other words they have to be side by side because the true aspect doesn't exist by itself. If you have to look into unseen dimensions of the Gohonzon to complete the 10 worlds every time you do gongyo you would have to be visualizing the 5 worlds that are not there so you could transform them.
>
> Since the oneness of true aspect and all phenomena are already present in Nichirens 10 world Gohonzons I don't have to stress about remembering the missing worlds each time I do gongyo or wishfully believe that they are there just so I can justify having a five world Gohonzon as you do
>
> We perceive whatever we like in our mind games and Buddhism is a mind game that your really bad at playing because of your narrow perception of Buddhism. The Gohonzon exists in the seen and unseen to the minutest material phenomena to that which is beyond matter as an infinite potential to the manifestation of that potential that is in my room as a copy of an original 10 world Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon that is missing in your practice and why your practice is only a partial truth that slanders the higher truth...Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
What you just said, Noel, reveals a lot that you did not intend about what you have not perceived, that any person chanting to a Gohonzon ... that was NOT stolen AND NOT received from traitors that turned away from Nichiren Daishonin the moment that he died and actually a long time before that ... will actually perceive. And that's probably why all the worlds are inscribed onto that Gohonzon for you.
Since I have your attention ...
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This was posted in ARBN, responding to a question, which I mentioned should be directed to someone knowledgable in the SGI:
... This from Soka Spirit.
...
... 3) They claim There are Missing Characters on Nichikan
... Gohonzon
...
... There are characters on the Nikken and Nittatsu transcribed
... Gohonzon that are not on the Nichikan Gohonzon. The essence
... of the Gohonzon is the inscription that embodies the power
... of the Law and the power of the Buddha, or
... “Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.” This inscription represents the
... enlightened life of Nichiren Daishonin; this is the heart
... of the Gohonzon.
...
... The surrounding names which represent the mutual possession
... of the Ten Worlds are secondary and have varied since
... Nichiren began inscribing Gohonzon. Not all of the Gohonzon
... inscribed by Nichiren are the same by any means. For
... example, of the 120 extant Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon,
... only about a third contain the name Devadatta representing
... the world of Hell; only 65 contain Shariputra and
... Maudgalayana representing people of the two vehicles, and
... so on.
...
... After the Daishonin’s death, successive high priests
... exercised their own judgment in how to represent the
... principle of the Ten Worlds.
...
... As usual with this practice, if one has enough seeking
... spirit, one finds the answers one is looking for.
There we go. When the people following Nichiren Shu parade around their stolen Gohonzon obtained there, proclaiming that they have a true ten-world Gohonzon, they are like a Matador holding up the ears of the bull that they have just killed to the roar of the crowd. The prostrate forms of the Buddhas in the ten direction that they have slain are literally everywhere.
What they will never perceive with a stolen Gohonzon, due to the slander involved in receiving it, is what was heard from the SGI: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the middle is all you need to manifest the ten worlds and all the other jewels in the treasure tower of your life, mirrored in the Gohonzon. The cause for that is chanting with faith, and in the early going, hope substitutes for that faith (because one hopes it might just work.)
It's not just an image in black and white, Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically.
I have seven questions for those minions of darkness at Nichiren Shu waving around their stolen "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon":
1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
2. Do those authentic Nichiren non-ten-world Gohonzon work, or not?
3. Did Nichiren Daishonin actually give his followers Gohonzon that were non-functional, or did he chant to them and see that they worked?
4. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin could be so intentionally cruel to his devoted followers?
5. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin to be so irresponsibly lazy and careless to neglect to chant to those few hundred Gohonzon that he just spent much careful time inscribing for his followers: to quality assure that the most important product of his life might function properly?
6. Do you really believe Nichiren Daishonin is that stupid? Or do you just hate him that much?
7. And, by the way, do you think that your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon" has EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY secondary item inscribed on it from all the Gohonzon Nichiren Daishonin ever inscribed? What are YOU missing on your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon"?
Actually, I can answer that one for you: you have missed entirely everything and all the points of Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Lotus Sutra Buddhism. What you have found is a pointed, utter hatred of Nichiren Daishonin, his followers and the Lotus Sutra, by chanting to a Gohonzon received from the traitors and murderers of Nichiren Shu that now worship statues and chant to stolen Gohonzon copied from those that should only belong to Nichiren Daishonin's true followers pursuing his Kosen Rufu movement.
I would suggest that Nichiren Daishonin inscribed secondary items on some Gohonzon to personalize the Gohonzon in areas of concern, for those followers who needed a leg up to get on their horse and ride. Those who distort that act of deep and thoughtful compassion have turned Nichiren Daishonin's concern for an individual follower and their family, into a weapon of mass destruction to attack his Kosen Rufu movement. Some serious batsu, there!
-Chas.
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> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 3:16:31 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > 1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
>
> BS I didn't call any of Nichiren's Goshos fake. Seems like your just pulling this out of your rectum?
Ah, now if you do not call any of the Goshos "faked" like Katie Higgins and Mark Rogow do, then you have to accept the verdict that Nichiren Daishonin calls you a liar.
Nichiren Daishonin never says that the Gohonzon that he gave out that were missing some of what you call the "ten world Gohonzon" inscriptions were second class in any way. He does not differentiate between what you imply are first class and second class Gohonzon.
If that is so (and it is) then you are making all of that up and calling Nichiren Daishonin a liar and a priest who bestows second class Gohonzon upon his most loyal followers.
You must then be a Nichiren Daishonin hater, just like I said. Deny it and you call yourself a liar.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:49:43 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> You are the one who has denied nichirens purpose of his advent that happened during Koan 2 when he started inscribing 10 world gohonzons
>
> Do you accept that the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to inscribe Gohonzons
How incredibly 180 degrees wrong of you.
No, the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to propagate the Law at the heart of the Lotus Sutra and lead the Bodhisattvas of the Earth in the Kosen Rufu movement in their vow to receive the Law, spread it widely and protect it without begrudging their lives. The purpose of writing the Gosho to establish the practice of Buddhism for the Latter Day of the Law employs the Gohonzon as a safety zone of focus for chanting and is the primary means to that end, by preventing his followers from chanting to the wrong objects of devotion, such as worshiping statues of a falsely deified Shakaymuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Jehovah.
How can you not get that simple primary point of the one chapter and two halves at the heart of the Ceremony in the Air in the Lotus Sutra, Noel?
The Gohonzon is not a magical object, with a more powerful "first-class" magic from a "ten-world" Gohonzon! How True Word Tantric is your wizardly thinking! The Gohonzon is literally the great desire of Nichiren Daishonin to protect his followers, the members of the SGI from slandering and hurting themselves, it is the love of a parent in the action of protecting their children.
Daimoku works just fine without the Gohonzon, Nichiren Daishonin chanted his way to inscribing the Gohonzon, before he ever saw one. As I pointed out in the past, Nichiren Daishonin in different places in the Gosho describes three things as the object of devotion, the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, the Lotus Sutra that contains it and the Gohonzon that is the mirror of that enlightened life state arising from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo. The key to that is the Law. Without chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, possessing the Gohonzon has little beneficial effect other than the hope you may chant to it later, and many potential risks until that time.
Of the thirty-two characteristics of the Buddha, the Gohonzon is missing one: the far-reaching voice of the Buddha. That sound of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo emerges from your enlightened Buddha life.
Get your head on straight, Noel.
-Chas.
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On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:41:19 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> Nichirens Gohonzons evolved from NMRK to 10 world Gohonzons. You just have to look at nichiren shu's 128 Gohonzons that I have posted many times The facts speak for themselves
>
> But I know you have an aversion to click on any link that hasnt been approved by your infantile imagination of what you think that the soka Gakkai deems as kosher
>
> Your not even up to date with the current state of the shifting sands of soka Gakkai
>
> You would have to be the most irrelevant person on arbn
So, now your argument is that there is a fine-grained evolutionary ladder of Gohonzon made by Nichiren Daishonin, from worst to best as he started off as the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and gradually became the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin.
According to your new theory, those first and most loyal followers who received their Gohonzon early on would obviously have been followers of the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the LOSERS in faith.
Those last arriving and most recent followers who held out for the very last and best Gohonzon would obviously have been followers of the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the WINNERS in faith.
Then, finding the very BEST Gohonzon would be the ultimate struggle to be the BEST follower of the BEST (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and that single Gohonzon might still be in private hands, or worse, have been lost to history.
Then a mad Gohonzon hunt and an evolutionary battle of the fittest would be necessary by all members of the human race, to become the VERY BEST (most true) follower of Nichiren Daishonin would commence, and that struggle might turn out to be in vain, since that pinnacle Gohonzon may have been lost.
That is the logical outcome from you views: the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
Contrasting your hellish belief system, is the view of the SGI, which I have heard many times from many leaders: simply that all that a Gohonzon needs to work is Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center, and your own far-reaching voice of the Buddha does the "Buddha's work".
In that view, ALL of Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzon and any qualifying Gohonzon (with Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center) are the BEST Gohonzon and ANYONE receiving one from the hands of Nichiren Daishonin's true followers (not from traitorous priests, nor a pirate website dispensing stolen Gohonzon downloads transmitted ultimately from a traitorous priesthood source and making that profoundly evil cause,) are obviously the followers of the BEST (MOST TRUE) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump might say, they are all, each and every single one, the WINNERS in faith.
In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
Nichiren Daishonin would then have been the very best Buddha with the best followers all along: no LOSERS, only WINNERS.
I must say, Noel, I like my world, my universe, a whole hell of a lot better than yours.
As everyone knows, there is simply no replacement for talent.
However, in my world, everyone is talented.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 1:40:45 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
[snip]
> >In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
>
> Then your the biggest loser
>
[snip the rest of the vitriol]
However, Noel's Fantasy Gohonzon Hunger Games is not the way the world is.
It is only in his mind that he is a winner, because he has found "the golden ticket".
Noel, Nichiren Daishonin is not Willy Wonka!
-Chas.
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On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 10:22:14 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 2:13:25 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 5:48:56 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > There you go again with your delusions of being Mr Right
> >
> > Proving once again by your descent into ignoratio elenchi, that you are avoiding the seven points by firing up the flak batteries.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi
> >
> > Like I said, you CANNOT ADDRESS MY SEVEN POINTS:
> >
> > The Seven Questions Noel Simply Cannot Face Regarding His Hatred of Nichiren Daishonin +
> >
> > Responding to the following post, which may become deleted out of embarrassment:
> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/uW7dASM3NC4/ywEtC41pCQAJ
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 11:39:26 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 2:33:54 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > > > On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > > > > "Its not just an image in black and white, the Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically."
> > > > >
> > > > > Then you can chant to Shakyamuni's or Nichiren's statue and percieve the Gohonzon with your kind of faith that doesn't need optical representations better still all you have to do is think it as it already exists the unseen dimension
> > > >
> > > > No, I said the GOHONZON has unseen dimensions, not my mind or some statues. I perceive them when I chant. They only exist in the GOHONZON.
> > > >
> > > > You have a real problem parsing an English sentence, Noel. Maybe some remedial reading classes? Glasses?
> > > >
> > > > -Chas.
> > >
> > > The true aspect and all phenomena have to be present to be a holistic presentation of our life,in other words they have to be side by side because the true aspect doesn't exist by itself. If you have to look into unseen dimensions of the Gohonzon to complete the 10 worlds every time you do gongyo you would have to be visualizing the 5 worlds that are not there so you could transform them.
> > >
> > > Since the oneness of true aspect and all phenomena are already present in Nichirens 10 world Gohonzons I don't have to stress about remembering the missing worlds each time I do gongyo or wishfully believe that they are there just so I can justify having a five world Gohonzon as you do
> > >
> > > We perceive whatever we like in our mind games and Buddhism is a mind game that your really bad at playing because of your narrow perception of Buddhism. The Gohonzon exists in the seen and unseen to the minutest material phenomena to that which is beyond matter as an infinite potential to the manifestation of that potential that is in my room as a copy of an original 10 world Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon that is missing in your practice and why your practice is only a partial truth that slanders the higher truth...Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
> >
> > What you just said, Noel, reveals a lot that you did not intend about what you have not perceived, that any person chanting to a Gohonzon ... that was NOT stolen AND NOT received from traitors that turned away from Nichiren Daishonin the moment that he died and actually a long time before that ... will actually perceive. And that's probably why all the worlds are inscribed onto that Gohonzon for you.
> >
> > Since I have your attention ...
> > ___________________________________________
> >
> > This was posted in ARBN, responding to a question, which I mentioned should be directed to someone knowledgable in the SGI:
> >
> > ... This from Soka Spirit.
> > ...
> > ... 3) They claim There are Missing Characters on Nichikan
> > ... Gohonzon
> > ...
> > ... There are characters on the Nikken and Nittatsu transcribed
> > ... Gohonzon that are not on the Nichikan Gohonzon. The essence
> > ... of the Gohonzon is the inscription that embodies the power
> > ... of the Law and the power of the Buddha, or
> > ... “Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.” This inscription represents the
> > ... enlightened life of Nichiren Daishonin; this is the heart
> > ... of the Gohonzon.
> > ...
> > ... The surrounding names which represent the mutual possession
> > ... of the Ten Worlds are secondary and have varied since
> > ... Nichiren began inscribing Gohonzon. Not all of the Gohonzon
> > ... inscribed by Nichiren are the same by any means. For
> > ... example, of the 120 extant Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon,
> > ... only about a third contain the name Devadatta representing
> > ... the world of Hell; only 65 contain Shariputra and
> > ... Maudgalayana representing people of the two vehicles, and
> > ... so on.
> > ...
> > ... After the Daishonin’s death, successive high priests
> > ... exercised their own judgment in how to represent the
> > ... principle of the Ten Worlds.
> > ...
> > ... As usual with this practice, if one has enough seeking
> > ... spirit, one finds the answers one is looking for.
> >
> > There we go. When the people following Nichiren Shu parade around their stolen Gohonzon obtained there, proclaiming that they have a true ten-world Gohonzon, they are like a Matador holding up the ears of the bull that they have just killed to the roar of the crowd. The prostrate forms of the Buddhas in the ten direction that they have slain are literally everywhere.
> >
> > What they will never perceive with a stolen Gohonzon, due to the slander involved in receiving it, is what was heard from the SGI: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the middle is all you need to manifest the ten worlds and all the other jewels in the treasure tower of your life, mirrored in the Gohonzon. The cause for that is chanting with faith, and in the early going, hope substitutes for that faith (because one hopes it might just work.)
> >
> > It's not just an image in black and white, Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically.
> >
> > I have seven questions for those minions of darkness at Nichiren Shu waving around their stolen "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon":
> >
> > 1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
> >
> > 2. Do those authentic Nichiren non-ten-world Gohonzon work, or not?
> >
> > 3. Did Nichiren Daishonin actually give his followers Gohonzon that were non-functional, or did he chant to them and see that they worked?
> >
> > 4. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin could be so intentionally cruel to his devoted followers?
> >
> > 5. Do you believe Nichiren Daishonin to be so irresponsibly lazy and careless to neglect to chant to those few hundred Gohonzon that he just spent much careful time inscribing for his followers: to quality assure that the most important product of his life might function properly?
> >
> > 6. Do you really believe Nichiren Daishonin is that stupid? Or do you just hate him that much?
> >
> > 7. And, by the way, do you think that your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon" has EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY secondary item inscribed on it from all the Gohonzon Nichiren Daishonin ever inscribed? What are YOU missing on your "authentic Nichiren ten-world Gohonzon"?
> >
> > Actually, I can answer that one for you: you have missed entirely everything and all the points of Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Lotus Sutra Buddhism. What you have found is a pointed, utter hatred of Nichiren Daishonin, his followers and the Lotus Sutra, by chanting to a Gohonzon received from the traitors and murderers of Nichiren Shu that now worship statues and chant to stolen Gohonzon copied from those that should only belong to Nichiren Daishonin's true followers pursuing his Kosen Rufu movement.
> >
> > I would suggest that Nichiren Daishonin inscribed secondary items on some Gohonzon to personalize the Gohonzon in areas of concern, for those followers who needed a leg up to get on their horse and ride. Those who distort that act of deep and thoughtful compassion have turned Nichiren Daishonin's concern for an individual follower and their family, into a weapon of mass destruction to attack his Kosen Rufu movement. Some serious batsu, there!
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 3:16:31 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > > > 1. For all those other Nichiren Gohonzon missing one or another secondary items: are all those Gohonzon faked, like the Gosho letters you call faked?
> > >
> > > BS I didn't call any of Nichiren's Goshos fake. Seems like your just pulling this out of your rectum?
> >
> > Ah, now if you do not call any of the Goshos "faked" like Katie Higgins and Mark Rogow do, then you have to accept the verdict that Nichiren Daishonin calls you a liar.
> >
> > Nichiren Daishonin never says that the Gohonzon that he gave out that were missing some of what you call the "ten world Gohonzon" inscriptions were second class in any way. He does not differentiate between what you imply are first class and second class Gohonzon.
> >
> > If that is so (and it is) then you are making all of that up and calling Nichiren Daishonin a liar and a priest who bestows second class Gohonzon upon his most loyal followers.
> >
> > You must then be a Nichiren Daishonin hater, just like I said. Deny it and you call yourself a liar.
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:49:43 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > You are the one who has denied nichirens purpose of his advent that happened during Koan 2 when he started inscribing 10 world gohonzons
> > >
> > > Do you accept that the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to inscribe Gohonzons
> >
> > How incredibly 180 degrees wrong of you.
> >
> > No, the primary purpose of Nichiren's life was to propagate the Law at the heart of the Lotus Sutra and lead the Bodhisattvas of the Earth in the Kosen Rufu movement in their vow to receive the Law, spread it widely and protect it without begrudging their lives. The purpose of writing the Gosho to establish the practice of Buddhism for the Latter Day of the Law employs the Gohonzon as a safety zone of focus for chanting and is the primary means to that end, by preventing his followers from chanting to the wrong objects of devotion, such as worshiping statues of a falsely deified Shakaymuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Jehovah.
> >
> > How can you not get that simple primary point of the one chapter and two halves at the heart of the Ceremony in the Air in the Lotus Sutra, Noel?
> >
> > The Gohonzon is not a magical object, with a more powerful "first-class" magic from a "ten-world" Gohonzon! How True Word Tantric is your wizardly thinking! The Gohonzon is literally the great desire of Nichiren Daishonin to protect his followers, the members of the SGI from slandering and hurting themselves, it is the love of a parent in the action of protecting their children.
> >
> > Daimoku works just fine without the Gohonzon, Nichiren Daishonin chanted his way to inscribing the Gohonzon, before he ever saw one. As I pointed out in the past, Nichiren Daishonin in different places in the Gosho describes three things as the object of devotion, the Law of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, the Lotus Sutra that contains it and the Gohonzon that is the mirror of that enlightened life state arising from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo. The key to that is the Law. Without chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, possessing the Gohonzon has little beneficial effect other than the hope you may chant to it later, and many potential risks until that time.
> >
> > Of the thirty-two characteristics of the Buddha, the Gohonzon is missing one: the far-reaching voice of the Buddha. That sound of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo emerges from your enlightened Buddha life.
> >
> > Get your head on straight, Noel.
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:41:19 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > Nichirens Gohonzons evolved from NMRK to 10 world Gohonzons. You just have to look at nichiren shu's 128 Gohonzons that I have posted many times The facts speak for themselves
> > >
> > > But I know you have an aversion to click on any link that hasnt been approved by your infantile imagination of what you think that the soka Gakkai deems as kosher
> > >
> > > Your not even up to date with the current state of the shifting sands of soka Gakkai
> > >
> > > You would have to be the most irrelevant person on arbn
> >
> > So, now your argument is that there is a fine-grained evolutionary ladder of Gohonzon made by Nichiren Daishonin, from worst to best as he started off as the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and gradually became the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin.
> >
> > According to your new theory, those first and most loyal followers who received their Gohonzon early on would obviously have been followers of the worst (most provisional) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the LOSERS in faith.
> >
> > Those last arriving and most recent followers who held out for the very last and best Gohonzon would obviously have been followers of the best (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump would say: they are the WINNERS in faith.
> >
> > Then, finding the very BEST Gohonzon would be the ultimate struggle to be the BEST follower of the BEST (most true) Nichiren Daishonin and that single Gohonzon might still be in private hands, or worse, have been lost to history.
> >
> > Then a mad Gohonzon hunt and an evolutionary battle of the fittest would be necessary by all members of the human race, to become the VERY BEST (most true) follower of Nichiren Daishonin would commence, and that struggle might turn out to be in vain, since that pinnacle Gohonzon may have been lost.
> >
> > That is the logical outcome from you views: the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
> >
> > Contrasting your hellish belief system, is the view of the SGI, which I have heard many times from many leaders: simply that all that a Gohonzon needs to work is Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center, and your own far-reaching voice of the Buddha does the "Buddha's work".
> >
> > In that view, ALL of Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzon and any qualifying Gohonzon (with Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren down the center) are the BEST Gohonzon and ANYONE receiving one from the hands of Nichiren Daishonin's true followers (not from traitorous priests, nor a pirate website dispensing stolen Gohonzon downloads transmitted ultimately from a traitorous priesthood source and making that profoundly evil cause,) are obviously the followers of the BEST (MOST TRUE) Nichiren Daishonin and as our wonderful President Trump might say, they are all, each and every single one, the WINNERS in faith.
> >
> > In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
> >
> > Nichiren Daishonin would then have been the very best Buddha with the best followers all along: no LOSERS, only WINNERS.
> >
> > I must say, Noel, I like my world, my universe, a whole hell of a lot better than yours.
> >
> > As everyone knows, there is simply no replacement for talent.
> >
> > However, in my world, everyone is talented.
> >
> > -Chas.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 1:40:45 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > >In other words, everyone who plays according to the rules of the Gosho, wins the Gohonzon Hunger Games.
> > >
> > > Then your the biggest loser
> > >
> >
> > [snip the rest of the vitriol]
> >
> > However, Noel's Fantasy Gohonzon Hunger Games is not the way the world is.
> >
> > It is only in his mind that he is a winner, because he has found "the golden ticket".
> >
> > Noel, Nichiren Daishonin is not Willy Wonka!
> >
> > =Chas.
>
> "Its not just an image in black and white, the Gohonzon has dimensions in the realm of faith that you cannot perceive optically."
>
>
> Have you heard of the three truths 三諦 san-tai
>
> "three truths ［三諦］ ( san-tai): Also, threefold truth, triple truth, or three perceptions of the truth. The truth of non-substantiality, the truth of temporary existence, and the truth of the Middle Way.
>
> The three integral aspects of the truth, or ultimate reality, formulated by T’ien-t’ai (538–597) in The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra and Great Concentration and Insight.
>
> The truth of non-substantiality means that phenomena have no existence of their own; their true nature is non-substantial, indefinable in terms of existence or nonexistence.
>
> The truth of temporary existence means that, although non-substantial, all things possess a temporary reality that is in constant flux.
>
> The truth of the Middle Way means that the true nature of phenomena is that they are neither non-substantial nor temporary, though they display attributes of both. The Middle Way is the essence of things that continues either in a manifest or a latent state.
>
> According to T’ien-t’ai’s explanation, the Tripitaka teaching and the connecting teaching do not reveal the truth of the Middle Way and therefore lack the three truths.
>
> The specific teaching reveals the three truths but shows them as being separate from and independent of one another; that is, it does not teach that these three are inseparable aspects of all phenomena. This view is called the separation of the three truths.
>
> The perfect teaching views the three as an integral whole, each possessing all three within itself. This is called the unification of the three truths."
>
> A True 10 world Gohonzon is a perfect manifestation of the heart of the Lotus Sutra...ichinen sanzen
So, now you are saying that by inscribing and bestowing less-than-ten-world Gohonzon upon his most treasured followers before a certain date, that Nichiren Daishonin was slandering the three truths and guaranteeing that his most treasured followers would be slandering the three truths for the rest of their lives, and their families and descendants afterwards, in aeternum? That those Gohonzon would not work after his death? That the "supreme objecto of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" is not supreme?
If that were true, this guy Nichiren Daishonin would have to be hateful in the most sneaky way, because those folks would never know what hit them. However, it is clearly NOT TRUE and you are clearly WRONG ABOUT THIS, and Nichiren Daishonin's less-than-ten-world Gohonzon and his ten-world Gohonzon are the same "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", just different in appearance. And then the axiom that all that a Gohonzon needs to work is "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" down the middle sounds right.
Poor show, Noel.
-Chas.
___________________________________________________________
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> You are the expert of knowing what has been written in arbn
>
> Can you please find my answers to your questions that I've already given you
I simply remember that your evasive answers were never relevant to my questions and always dodged them in critical ways. I don't remember the locations of those evasions, or have a notion of how to search for them.
Note that I do not think you can actually come up with honest and thoughtful answers and remain a follower of Nichiren Daishonin: because those answers would indicate either a turnaround in your thinking about the flawed nature of the early Gohonzons bestowed upon Nichiren Daishonin's closest followers, or your utter hatred and loathing of Nichiren Daishonin as a despicable betrayer of his earliest and closest followers.
You are in a box with no exit with a nuclear source connected to your demise, Schrödinger's Noel. When we open the box later, will you be dead or alive?
-Chas.
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Noel
Dec 22, 2017, 3:48:57 AM12/22/17
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You need to apologize to Nichiren for the direspect you have for his Gohonzons
Katie Higgins
Dec 22, 2017, 12:50:17 PM12/22/17
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LOL! A “ tale” stolen from Tendai writings - attributed to Nikko - I posted on this months ago -ago!
~ Katie
~ Katie
Chas.
Dec 22, 2017, 2:46:05 PM12/22/17
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Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories Are The Stupidest Ideas, Ever +
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 7:01:33 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 7:06:41 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
>
> - hide quoted text -
1. Your initial theory requires that Nichiren Daishonin exuded a field that activated the low-function-Gohonzons that most of his followers had. Was that like an electromagnetic field mediated by some new force-carrying boson like the photon, gluon, or the W and Z intermediate vector bosons? Or was that like the gravitational field that is transmitted by modifying the curvature of space-time? I presume that it was transmitted at the speed of light. These field carrying particles have not been detected yet at CERN's LHC, so they must be much heavier than the Higgs Boson.
2. Your initial theory required Nichiren Daishonin not to have the basic imagination to foresee that his death would inactivate the majority of Gohonzons that he had bestowed upon his most loyal followers, or not to care about that inevitable inactivation as a bad Buddha.
3. Your initial theory requires that when Nichiren Daishonin described these Gohonzons to his followers as the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" that he was lying, since he knew a later high-function-Gohonzon revision would have permanent powers greatly transcending the powers of the low-function-Gohonzons that he was bestowing.
4. Your modified theory (to cover up the gaping holes in your initial theory) requires that ten-world high-function Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzons exude a field that activates less-than-ten-world low-function Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzons. That field would also require specific bosons as a carrier particle or changing the curvature of space-time, and they must be heavier vector bosons than the Higgs.
To wrap this up, each and every version of your theory is nothing less than the stupidest idea I have ever heard of.
The force-carrying particle for the transmission of the power of the Gohonzon is in fact the photon, which interacts with the rods and cones at the end of the optic nerve, producing a raw image that is transmitted to the thalamus in the center of your head, and then to the visual cortex at the back of your head, which processes the image and adds 5 times as much metadata information to the image sent back to the thalamus, which then is transmitted to the cerebral cortex at the top of skull, where your world-view is maintained.
However, that world-view is inactive until sound (from the pure and far-reaching voice out of your own mouth and reverberating in your skull) is mixed into that image and that stereo-sound-technicolor experience activated in the cerebral cortex is where the activated complex known as enlightenment occurs.
My theory requires no new fields or force-carrying particles and requires no new brain physiology to function.
Occam's razor says that I am right and you are wrong. The simplest explanation wins the day.
-Chas.
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 7:01:33 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 7:06:41 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 3:53:24 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > From when he was 32 he first said Namu Myoho Renge Kyo. Until he was 50, eighteen years latter no Gohonzon existed. His follower's practice was devotion to Nichiren(Namu Nichiren) chanting Daimoku and studying his letters which were enough for them to have temporary enlightenment.
> > >
> >
> > > From when he was 32 he first said Namu Myoho Renge Kyo. Until he was 50, eighteen years latter no Gohonzon existed. His follower's practice was devotion to Nichiren(Namu Nichiren) chanting Daimoku and studying his letters which were enough for them to have temporary enlightenment.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, so? What you are saying in your addled mind is effectively this:
> >
> > Noel's Illogic:
> >
> > 1. If Nichiren Daishonin's magical man-God powers conferred High-Function-Gohonzon-like effects on his followers during his magical life, then after he died and those magical powers waned, then the vast majority of his Gohonzons conferred (WHICH WERE NOT Noel's "grand finale" Gohonzons) would now express their Low-Function-Gohonzon effects and his followers would suffer incalculable evil effects.
> >
> > 2. This is due to the utter disregard in which Nichiren Daishonin held them due to his limited imagination (Oh, I can die, what will happen to them then?)
> >
> > 3. Therefore in Noel's logic: Nichiren Daishonin is a crappy Buddha.
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> >
> > Noel's Illogic:
> >
> > 1. If Nichiren Daishonin's magical man-God powers conferred High-Function-Gohonzon-like effects on his followers during his magical life, then after he died and those magical powers waned, then the vast majority of his Gohonzons conferred (WHICH WERE NOT Noel's "grand finale" Gohonzons) would now express their Low-Function-Gohonzon effects and his followers would suffer incalculable evil effects.
> >
> > 2. This is due to the utter disregard in which Nichiren Daishonin held them due to his limited imagination (Oh, I can die, what will happen to them then?)
> >
> > 3. Therefore in Noel's logic: Nichiren Daishonin is a crappy Buddha.
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> There are 2 conditions under which Nichiren's Gohonzons work the most effectively:
>
> 1)Has the Gohonzon been written by Nichiren ?
>
> 2)Does the person who has Nichirens Gohonzon have devotion to Nichiren ?
>
> If these requirements have been met then it doesn't matter if the Gohonzon isn't a complete 10 world Gohonzon.
>
> Because Nichiren is Buddha there is no discrimination between complete and incomplete Gohonzons
>
> Gohonzons that are not written by Nichiren create discrimination between complete and not complete Gohonzons because the High Priests that wrote them are not Buddhas.
>
> Even though the power of Nichirens Gohonzons are equal, since he declared his mission complete in Koan 2nd, I still think that the inscriptions of his 10 world Gohonzons is what made it complete. It's the best thing we can have in this age of quarell and dispute when Shakyamuni Buddha’s teachings have fallen into confusion and lost their power to lead people to enlightenment.
> ________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> The 2nd least effective conditions:
>
> 1) the 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
>
> 2) Devotion to Nichiren
>
> Even those that have complete transcribed 10 world Gohonzons that are written by priests will lose the benefits from the practice if their devotion is not to Nichiren
>
>
> The 3rd least effective conditions:
>
> 1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
>
> 2) Devotion to Nichiren
>
> Devotion to Nichiren may compromise not having 10 world Gohonzons because Nichiren is the oneness of the Person and the Law
>
>
>
> The 4th least effective conditions:
>
> 1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
>
> 2) not devoted to Nichiren
>
> Overall the worst scenario is having a High priest Gohonzon that doesn't have 10 worlds and members and leaders not having devotion to Nichiren/Sun Lotus who is Buddha of the oneness of the person and the law in this age of Mappo
>
> Unfortunately, this fate is the present day reality of SGI.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Any copy of Nichiren's Gohonzons by High priests that arent 10 worlds aren't such a good idea when they are given out to people. Those type of Gohonzons should only be for the priest's private collection. I think Nichikan's was one for private collection that slipped through the safety net that Ikeda seems to have strategically bought from a young priest who couldn't care less.
>
>
> An original Nichiren 10 world Gohonzon is the image of Nichiren the Buddha of absolute freedom in the Latter Day of the Law
>
> 1)Has the Gohonzon been written by Nichiren ?
>
> 2)Does the person who has Nichirens Gohonzon have devotion to Nichiren ?
>
> If these requirements have been met then it doesn't matter if the Gohonzon isn't a complete 10 world Gohonzon.
>
> Because Nichiren is Buddha there is no discrimination between complete and incomplete Gohonzons
>
> Gohonzons that are not written by Nichiren create discrimination between complete and not complete Gohonzons because the High Priests that wrote them are not Buddhas.
>
> Even though the power of Nichirens Gohonzons are equal, since he declared his mission complete in Koan 2nd, I still think that the inscriptions of his 10 world Gohonzons is what made it complete. It's the best thing we can have in this age of quarell and dispute when Shakyamuni Buddha’s teachings have fallen into confusion and lost their power to lead people to enlightenment.
> ________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> The 2nd least effective conditions:
>
> 1) the 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
>
> 2) Devotion to Nichiren
>
> Even those that have complete transcribed 10 world Gohonzons that are written by priests will lose the benefits from the practice if their devotion is not to Nichiren
>
>
> The 3rd least effective conditions:
>
> 1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
>
> 2) Devotion to Nichiren
>
> Devotion to Nichiren may compromise not having 10 world Gohonzons because Nichiren is the oneness of the Person and the Law
>
>
>
> The 4th least effective conditions:
>
> 1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
>
> 2) not devoted to Nichiren
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> Overall the worst scenario is having a High priest Gohonzon that doesn't have 10 worlds and members and leaders not having devotion to Nichiren/Sun Lotus who is Buddha of the oneness of the person and the law in this age of Mappo
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> Unfortunately, this fate is the present day reality of SGI.
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> Any copy of Nichiren's Gohonzons by High priests that arent 10 worlds aren't such a good idea when they are given out to people. Those type of Gohonzons should only be for the priest's private collection. I think Nichikan's was one for private collection that slipped through the safety net that Ikeda seems to have strategically bought from a young priest who couldn't care less.
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> "I, Nikko, saw the shadow and the figure of my master, Nichiren, as the Honzon very clearly on the sea surface when I was on a small boat with him while the boat was rocking with the gentle motion of the waves on our way. Thus, I, Nikko, copy the Gohonzon of my master without even a little difference, which I believe it has to be so!"
Your initial theory on this issue and your modified theories are insupportable by either document or reason.
1. Your initial theory requires that Nichiren Daishonin exuded a field that activated the low-function-Gohonzons that most of his followers had. Was that like an electromagnetic field mediated by some new force-carrying boson like the photon, gluon, or the W and Z intermediate vector bosons? Or was that like the gravitational field that is transmitted by modifying the curvature of space-time? I presume that it was transmitted at the speed of light. These field carrying particles have not been detected yet at CERN's LHC, so they must be much heavier than the Higgs Boson.
2. Your initial theory required Nichiren Daishonin not to have the basic imagination to foresee that his death would inactivate the majority of Gohonzons that he had bestowed upon his most loyal followers, or not to care about that inevitable inactivation as a bad Buddha.
3. Your initial theory requires that when Nichiren Daishonin described these Gohonzons to his followers as the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" that he was lying, since he knew a later high-function-Gohonzon revision would have permanent powers greatly transcending the powers of the low-function-Gohonzons that he was bestowing.
4. Your modified theory (to cover up the gaping holes in your initial theory) requires that ten-world high-function Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzons exude a field that activates less-than-ten-world low-function Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzons. That field would also require specific bosons as a carrier particle or changing the curvature of space-time, and they must be heavier vector bosons than the Higgs.
To wrap this up, each and every version of your theory is nothing less than the stupidest idea I have ever heard of.
The force-carrying particle for the transmission of the power of the Gohonzon is in fact the photon, which interacts with the rods and cones at the end of the optic nerve, producing a raw image that is transmitted to the thalamus in the center of your head, and then to the visual cortex at the back of your head, which processes the image and adds 5 times as much metadata information to the image sent back to the thalamus, which then is transmitted to the cerebral cortex at the top of skull, where your world-view is maintained.
However, that world-view is inactive until sound (from the pure and far-reaching voice out of your own mouth and reverberating in your skull) is mixed into that image and that stereo-sound-technicolor experience activated in the cerebral cortex is where the activated complex known as enlightenment occurs.
My theory requires no new fields or force-carrying particles and requires no new brain physiology to function.
Occam's razor says that I am right and you are wrong. The simplest explanation wins the day.
-Chas.
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Chas.
Dec 23, 2017, 2:13:22 AM12/23/17
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Sampling in the Elite Gohonzon Cellar at Noel the Connoisseur's Place +(Échantillonnage d'élite dans la cave de Gohonzon au manoir Noel the connoisseur)
Noel is a world-renowned connoisseur of high-function ten-world Gohonzons inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin. It is a delight to visit him in his manor, and perhaps an opportunity, if he is feeling generous, to take a tour of his rare collection of high-function Gohonzons. If one is lucky, there is maybe a chance to see the most exquisite and highest-function supreme Gohonzon, that Noel has dubbed his "Grand Finale" Gohonzon. Such a treat!
Noel has arranged several key spotlights to perfectly light the Gohonzons as he takes them out and unrolls them onto a quick mount for examination by the select group of lucky viewers of his recherché.
With growing élan, the epicure leads the elect through the years and events of Nichiren's life, with a polished exposition on the times and events surrounding each inscribing, with no critical metadata left unreferenced: Noel is thorough without being repetitive or boring, the perfect host for the seeker of the exquisite life condition experience. Maybe we'll get to see the crème de la crème tonight!
Noel climbs steadily and inexorably towards the finest and rarest of these Gohonzons, his delivery becoming more confident and expansive, finally ending at the pinnacle, the finest vintage Nichiren Daishonin ten-world Gohonzon available. As the "Grand Finale" Gohonzon is unrolled, a hush grows over the small select group of nonpareil. Noel is positively glowing in his sharing moment, such infinite compassion!
He explains that it is the rare privilege of the haut monde of chanters of the daimoku, to chant to a Gohonzon that is not the pedestrian Gohonzon of the hoi polloi, the commoners in their millions with their low-function Gohonzons. We are so blessed to be here with him, so fortunate!
As we leave Noel's manor, we are in such a glowing state of happiness and well-being, and ready to begin our own collection: to be connoisseurs just like Noel! He has changed our life with his collection! We are "penseurs éclairés", enlightened thinkers, now!
-Chas.
Noel is a world-renowned connoisseur of high-function ten-world Gohonzons inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin. It is a delight to visit him in his manor, and perhaps an opportunity, if he is feeling generous, to take a tour of his rare collection of high-function Gohonzons. If one is lucky, there is maybe a chance to see the most exquisite and highest-function supreme Gohonzon, that Noel has dubbed his "Grand Finale" Gohonzon. Such a treat!
Noel has arranged several key spotlights to perfectly light the Gohonzons as he takes them out and unrolls them onto a quick mount for examination by the select group of lucky viewers of his recherché.
With growing élan, the epicure leads the elect through the years and events of Nichiren's life, with a polished exposition on the times and events surrounding each inscribing, with no critical metadata left unreferenced: Noel is thorough without being repetitive or boring, the perfect host for the seeker of the exquisite life condition experience. Maybe we'll get to see the crème de la crème tonight!
Noel climbs steadily and inexorably towards the finest and rarest of these Gohonzons, his delivery becoming more confident and expansive, finally ending at the pinnacle, the finest vintage Nichiren Daishonin ten-world Gohonzon available. As the "Grand Finale" Gohonzon is unrolled, a hush grows over the small select group of nonpareil. Noel is positively glowing in his sharing moment, such infinite compassion!
He explains that it is the rare privilege of the haut monde of chanters of the daimoku, to chant to a Gohonzon that is not the pedestrian Gohonzon of the hoi polloi, the commoners in their millions with their low-function Gohonzons. We are so blessed to be here with him, so fortunate!
As we leave Noel's manor, we are in such a glowing state of happiness and well-being, and ready to begin our own collection: to be connoisseurs just like Noel! He has changed our life with his collection! We are "penseurs éclairés", enlightened thinkers, now!
-Chas.
Noel
Dec 23, 2017, 6:57:20 AM12/23/17
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The completion of the appearance of 10 world Gohonzon is the ichinen sanzen Gohonzon
Nikko transcribed 10 world Gohonzons from his masters 10 world Gohonzons
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> "I, Nikko, saw the shadow and the figure of my master, Nichiren, as the Honzon very clearly on the sea surface when I was on a small boat with him while the boat was rocking with the gentle motion of the waves on our way. Thus, I, Nikko, copy the Gohonzon of my master without even a little difference, which I believe it has to be so!".
My Denpo and Shutei Gohonzons are in line with the Nikko lineage where your Nichikan Gohonzon with 5 worlds missing and devotion clouded by Ikedaism is not.
My 10 world Gohonzons are inscribed by the master's own hand so why wouldn't Nikko want to copy them to pass them onto believers. He would be encouraging believers to download Nichiren's originals if they had the technology we have today
You would be severely admonished by Nikko if he was here today for trying to make him out to look like such an idiot with your stupid interpretations of his admonitions. So would Nichiren because some of his closest disciples were experienced martial artists/Samurai's that you detest
"From these and other discoveries, we see that a new quantum biological model is emerging. While well-known conventional biochemical processes are unquestionably taking place continuously in living organisms, there is another, subtler process taking place as well: the liquid crystal structures within our tissues, including DNA, phase in and out of quantum coherence—thus allowing the information from our subtle energy body to Intelligently coordinate the life processes taking place in our physical body.
“It is the failure to transcend the [biochemical] mechanistic framework that makes people persist in enquiring which parts [of the body] are in control, or issuing instructions or information. These questions are meaningless when one understands what it is to be a [quantumly] coherent, organic whole. An organic whole is an entangled whole, where part and whole, global and local are so thoroughly implicated as to be indistinguishable, and where each part is as much in control as it is sensitive and responsive. The challenge for us all is to rethink information processing in the context of the [quantumly] coherent organic whole.”—Mae-Wan Ho, geneticist and quantum biologist
Quantum biology strongly suggests that life did not arise from the atoms in a cosmic accident. Instead, it appears that physical life was created by the intelligent coordination of physical matter at the direction of Intelligent information originating beyond our physical realm.
Quantum coherence is the hidden bridge by which that Intelligence coordinated the trillions of atoms necessary for even the veriest beginning of life—that elusive magic moment when life was born and which has and will continue to elude biologists as long as they remain convinced life arose from inert matter.
Quantum coherence is also the bridge by which our Intelligently coordinated subtle energy body coordinates the fifty-quadrillion biochemical events taking place in our bodies every second. The emerging evidence of quantum coherence in living systems has given us a glimpse of the lawful mechanism, the hidden secret, by which Intelligence creates, evolves, and sustains biological life"
Nam[u] Myoho Renge Kyo is the source of intelligence that includes all the above and much much more of which you hardly have an inkling of while trying to pass yourself off as the great SGI know it all...when you just a dimwitted egotistical lowlife wanker
Katie Higgins
Dec 24, 2017, 5:38:12 AM12/24/17
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Here’s something for you to ponder in the genre you are comfortable with 😊
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/arrival/259944/explaining-the-arrival-ending
There is real science supporting this “sci-fi” masterpiece .
Makes a good case for Nichiren writing a notation in the Chu-hokkekyo emphasizing the necessity of doing Gongyo for attaining Buddhahood .
The Buddha did not emphasize intellectual comprehension , but “ hearing “ and “ believing “ the Lotus Sutra. Practicing as Nichiren did - devoting one’s life to the literal -every word of the Lotus Sutra, with gratitude and reverence for Shakyamuni Buddha is key —-
It is not material gain that one achieves with correct faith- the benefit of following Nichiren to the letter is inexpressible joy —
~ Katie
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/arrival/259944/explaining-the-arrival-ending
There is real science supporting this “sci-fi” masterpiece .
Makes a good case for Nichiren writing a notation in the Chu-hokkekyo emphasizing the necessity of doing Gongyo for attaining Buddhahood .
The Buddha did not emphasize intellectual comprehension , but “ hearing “ and “ believing “ the Lotus Sutra. Practicing as Nichiren did - devoting one’s life to the literal -every word of the Lotus Sutra, with gratitude and reverence for Shakyamuni Buddha is key —-
It is not material gain that one achieves with correct faith- the benefit of following Nichiren to the letter is inexpressible joy —
~ Katie
Chas.
Dec 26, 2017, 2:19:08 AM12/26/17
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1. it has to do with the passage of information across 4 dimensional space-time by quantum entanglement of the creatures themselves across space-time, as proof to the right person, from his dead wife that only he could know, information that he repeated to her at a later time, and knowledge of the fate of her child at a later time as a "memory" to her at an earlier time, to convince her to act on it, driven by her compassionate response to the future loss of her child.
2. These information transmissions were mediated by the visitors to prevent the loss of the contact mission. And perhaps as a successful test of the species contacted to accept and act on quantum entangled information to make an informed decision instead of a blockhead knee-jerk military decision (like the test we failed in "The Day The Earth Stood Still".)
3. This kind of "sci-fi" makes a good story, but is not "real-science", it is quasi-theory not backed by experimental verification of any kind. (see Karl Popper for what makes science, science.) Quantum entanglement is real science verified by experiment ("spooky action at a distance"), but not the information flow via entanglement across space, much less space-time.
4. Quantum entanglement in the functioning of the brain at the neural level, simply across space (to speed up neural synchronization, perhaps faster than light,) using phosphate molecules is an interesting hypothesis, but even that is unconfirmed: however interesting it is, it is not "real science", that means accepted scientific facts by the scientific research and academic community. It is not even a theory yet, just a hypothesis.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.05929
None of that has yet happened in the "real science" world. Only in "sci-fi."
A science fiction story that uses verified scientific facts as its basis is presented in Interstellar, which had 2017-LIGO-Noble-Prize-winning Physicist Kip Thorne as the science adviser on the film to keep them honest. They bent the script like a pretzel to allow them to showcase General Relativity oddities.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 26, 2017, 3:32:55 AM12/26/17
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Typical Chas —- long winded ego driven response to an article he hasn’t read !!
Oh those hyped up “ Me-too “ Buddha’s!!
Don’t you just tire of their pompous arrogance ?
💤
~Katie
Nichiren definitely understood the transformational power of language . He was a scriptualist who “lived the Lotus Sutra”.
Psst-Chas doesn’t know that either . He’s been following Ikedaism so long , he has lost the capacity to perceive his outrageously overblown “ claim to fame”.
~ Katie
Oh those hyped up “ Me-too “ Buddha’s!!
Don’t you just tire of their pompous arrogance ?
💤
~Katie
Nichiren definitely understood the transformational power of language . He was a scriptualist who “lived the Lotus Sutra”.
Psst-Chas doesn’t know that either . He’s been following Ikedaism so long , he has lost the capacity to perceive his outrageously overblown “ claim to fame”.
~ Katie
Chas.
Dec 27, 2017, 3:22:55 AM12/27/17
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So, Katie Higgins' false-deification of Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Yahweh, Jehovah or Allah, has no basis in the Lotus Sutra.
And Nichiren Daishonin NEVER, EVER ONE TIME states that worshiping the statues of Shakyamuni is his practice, instead, in the Gosho he declared that the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa."
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 27, 2017, 6:34:52 AM12/27/17
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Chas insults the person who points out his obvious flaws —always pontificating without bothering to read the article he is basically saying “ isn’t the real story “— more typical Chas .
Both the film, “ Arrival” and this article were well received by people I know who are very sincerely and equally serious about practicing as Nichiren taught -/A rarity to those familiar with religion jargon is the concept of the actual words of the
Teacher taken literally- . Nichiren was clear on this - especially when referencing the Buddha’s words in the Lotus Sutra.
There are people who seek the Buddha , desiring enlightenment, NOT material gain and personal comfort !! And some are reading here 😊
~ Katie
Both the film, “ Arrival” and this article were well received by people I know who are very sincerely and equally serious about practicing as Nichiren taught -/A rarity to those familiar with religion jargon is the concept of the actual words of the
Teacher taken literally- . Nichiren was clear on this - especially when referencing the Buddha’s words in the Lotus Sutra.
There are people who seek the Buddha , desiring enlightenment, NOT material gain and personal comfort !! And some are reading here 😊
~ Katie
Chas.
Dec 27, 2017, 1:55:36 PM12/27/17
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That is simply and undeniably a state of fact. The traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu, who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death, were the ones who made up the theology of chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to statues of Shakyamuni, instead of the Gohonzon.
They are your puppet masters in the hate campaign against Sensei and the SGI.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 28, 2017, 11:41:18 AM12/28/17
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I know as much as I can know about what Nichiren taught — been reading his writings directly for 29 years !
Chas is way off base equating his Judeo-Christian tainted “ worship “ concepts with Since reverence and gratitude for the eternal Buddha, Shakyamuni !! It seems Chas has no solid foundation in Buddhism -/ not surprising since he is loyal to SGIKEDA and does not follow the Buddha’s/ Words/ Law!!
~ Katie
Chas is way off base equating his Judeo-Christian tainted “ worship “ concepts with Since reverence and gratitude for the eternal Buddha, Shakyamuni !! It seems Chas has no solid foundation in Buddhism -/ not surprising since he is loyal to SGIKEDA and does not follow the Buddha’s/ Words/ Law!!
~ Katie
Chas.
Dec 28, 2017, 12:57:08 PM12/28/17
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That fact-based view is backed by his predictions of his disciples and even Devadatta becoming great Buddhas and preaching (you guessed it) the Lotus Sutra reciting something very like the Jiga-ge out of their own mouths. It is not a lie out of their mouths, nor is is from mine, although your deny its truth from yours.
And, of course, Shakyamuni preaches the story of his 15 elder brothers, his father and his grandfather before him, preaching the Lotus Sutra honestly as well.
Your false-deification and idolatry of Shakyamuni is simply wrong, wrong, WRONG!
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 28, 2017, 1:44:03 PM12/28/17
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Shakyamuni said this Threefold world is his domain — believing the Lotus Sutra - only Shakyamuni can save all living beings . Nichiren believed the Buddha’s golden words . All peace , comfort and joy is contained in them 😊
-Katie
-Katie
Chas.
Dec 28, 2017, 11:23:04 PM12/28/17
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On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 10:44:03 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Shakyamuni said this Threefold world is his domain — believing the Lotus Sutra - only Shakyamuni can save all living beings . Nichiren believed the Buddha’s golden words . All peace , comfort and joy is contained in them 😊
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> -Katie
According to Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra, his 15 elder brothers also preached the very same Lotus Sutra making the same declaration in other parts of the universe, and his father and grandfather preached the same before him. Also, he predicted that his disciples would in the future preach the same phrases from the Lotus Sutra, as well as his worst enemy, his cousin Devadatta.
> Shakyamuni said this Threefold world is his domain — believing the Lotus Sutra - only Shakyamuni can save all living beings . Nichiren believed the Buddha’s golden words . All peace , comfort and joy is contained in them 😊
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> -Katie
Are they all lying when they preached/will preach those words, and then is he a liar as well?
Or are they all telling the absolute truth, that we are - each one of us - the eternal Buddha actually named "Myoho-Renge", inheriting our Buddhahood from our parents in the form of the three bodies of the Buddha we received from them?
Are all of us lying and Katie Higgins telling the truth, or is Katie Higgins the liar?
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 29, 2017, 6:29:13 AM12/29/17
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And why don't you address what truly distinguishes Shakyamuni Buddha? Nichiren did thousands of times!
Don't you know?
Of course you don't know -- how could you? You don't read Nichiren directly. You have no idea what you are reciting, and for decades you have believed you are already a Buddha!!
Trump believes he is a great leader, boasting daily -- lying continually. He is "no accident"!
~Katie
Chas.
Dec 29, 2017, 12:20:29 PM12/29/17
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No they are not.
It is a peculiar sort of world we live in, where each of us is the eternal Buddha encompassing all living beings, but that's just the way it is!
“Shakyamuni taught that the shallow is easy to embrace, but the profound is difficult. To discard the shallow and seek the profound is the way of a person of courage.”
(On the Buddha’s Prophecy
- WND, Vol. 1, page 402)
Katie Higgins is not a person of courage, she discards the profound and seeks the shallow idolatry of worshiping Shakaymuni's statues as an arrogant man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Yahweh, Jehovah or Allah. That idolatry has no basis, either in the Gosho or in the Lotus Sutra.
In fact, the Buddha states otherwise in the Lotus Sutra: according to Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra, his 15 elder brothers also preached the very same Lotus Sutra making the same declaration in other parts of the universe, and his father and grandfather preached the same before him. Also, he predicted that his disciples would in the future preach the same phrases from the Lotus Sutra, as well as his worst enemy, his cousin Devadatta. - Are they all lying when they preached/will preach those words, and then is he a liar as well? - Or are they all telling the absolute truth, that we are - each one of us - the eternal Buddha actually named "Myoho-Renge", inheriting our Buddhahood from our parents in the form of the three bodies of the Buddha we received from them? - Are all of us lying and Katie Higgins telling the truth, or is Katie Higgins the liar?
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 29, 2017, 6:17:09 PM12/29/17
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Authoritative statements by a slanderer of the Lotus Sutra !! That is the SGI “ simple study “ program in a nutshell !!
Thanks Chas -/ your demo serves as a powerful teaching aid !!
~ Katie
Thanks Chas -/ your demo serves as a powerful teaching aid !!
~ Katie
Chas.
Dec 29, 2017, 10:13:23 PM12/29/17
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You are nothing more than an angry, lying, traitor.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 30, 2017, 9:20:05 AM12/30/17
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Chas says that I am “nothing more than a lying, angry traitor “
The same defaming accusations were levied at Nichiren .
Nichiren declared the ONE. Buddha , Shakyamuni, the ONE teaching , the Lotus Sutra, and incurrrd the wrath and hatred of a multitude of people who never met him , much less heard him out in formal debate.
I follow Nichiren, believing Shakyamuni Buddha is the ONE and ONLY. Buddha we living beings in this saha world are indebted to. I , too, believe every word of the Lotus Sutra and embrace the portions Nichiren recommended for daily recitation .
Furthermore I state with confidence : Ikeda is NOT a Buddha , SGI is not “ Buddha” and exactly like the heretical schools of Nichiren’s time, SGI causes “members “ to fall into the hell of incessant suffering and brings misery to our society .
It’s still mappo. Nichiren predicted the “ few “ who would encounter and uphold the True teaching and the “ many” who would slander and try to destroy it!! I find peace and comfort in experiencing the wrath and animosity of Chas’ beloved SGI— because I am in accord with Nichiren and enjoy a “ joyful mind” seeking the Buddha !
Chas may want to note how “ demanding loyalty “ and “ disregarding the rule of law” is playing out with Trump in secular society . Is this not a perfect reflection of SGI’s demanding loyalty to Ikeda and disregarding the golden words of the Buddha, the Law that matters most !
Chas may think he has bestowed the greatest insult - calling me a lying traitor , but in fact he has caused me to feel great joy— such is the benefit of following Nichiren .
~ Katie
The same defaming accusations were levied at Nichiren .
Nichiren declared the ONE. Buddha , Shakyamuni, the ONE teaching , the Lotus Sutra, and incurrrd the wrath and hatred of a multitude of people who never met him , much less heard him out in formal debate.
I follow Nichiren, believing Shakyamuni Buddha is the ONE and ONLY. Buddha we living beings in this saha world are indebted to. I , too, believe every word of the Lotus Sutra and embrace the portions Nichiren recommended for daily recitation .
Furthermore I state with confidence : Ikeda is NOT a Buddha , SGI is not “ Buddha” and exactly like the heretical schools of Nichiren’s time, SGI causes “members “ to fall into the hell of incessant suffering and brings misery to our society .
It’s still mappo. Nichiren predicted the “ few “ who would encounter and uphold the True teaching and the “ many” who would slander and try to destroy it!! I find peace and comfort in experiencing the wrath and animosity of Chas’ beloved SGI— because I am in accord with Nichiren and enjoy a “ joyful mind” seeking the Buddha !
Chas may want to note how “ demanding loyalty “ and “ disregarding the rule of law” is playing out with Trump in secular society . Is this not a perfect reflection of SGI’s demanding loyalty to Ikeda and disregarding the golden words of the Buddha, the Law that matters most !
Chas may think he has bestowed the greatest insult - calling me a lying traitor , but in fact he has caused me to feel great joy— such is the benefit of following Nichiren .
~ Katie
Chas.
Dec 30, 2017, 11:25:07 AM12/30/17
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Katie Higgins
Dec 30, 2017, 12:20:41 PM12/30/17
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~Katie
Chas.
Dec 31, 2017, 1:59:24 AM12/31/17
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Yes, you are shifting the argument, into the mirror reflection of your life.
No matter how many times Sensei has said to follow the Gosho EXACTLY, or that Nichiren Daishonin is the GREATEST SAGE IN THE UNIVERSE, you will continue to haul out the garbage about the SGI making a man-God out of Sensei, who is merely our mentor and nothing more than that.
We love and admire Sensei and appreciate his brilliant vision, deep wisdom and the sacrifices he has made in his life to spread Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra from Japan to 191 other countries around the world, including my country, the USA. And we share a gratitude towards Sensei that CANNOT BE REPAID.
But, the fact is, it is you who are projecting your false deification of a common mortal human being upon us.
We are not the ones practicing statue-worshiping idolatry upon Shakyamuni as a man-God, like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Jehovhah: that is you, Katie Higgins.
You are screaming in the mirror!
-Chas.
No matter how many times Sensei has said to follow the Gosho EXACTLY, or that Nichiren Daishonin is the GREATEST SAGE IN THE UNIVERSE, you will continue to haul out the garbage about the SGI making a man-God out of Sensei, who is merely our mentor and nothing more than that.
We love and admire Sensei and appreciate his brilliant vision, deep wisdom and the sacrifices he has made in his life to spread Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra from Japan to 191 other countries around the world, including my country, the USA. And we share a gratitude towards Sensei that CANNOT BE REPAID.
But, the fact is, it is you who are projecting your false deification of a common mortal human being upon us.
We are not the ones practicing statue-worshiping idolatry upon Shakyamuni as a man-God, like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, like Jehovhah: that is you, Katie Higgins.
You are screaming in the mirror!
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Dec 31, 2017, 8:44:27 AM12/31/17
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From Nichiren -
WND vol. 2 #380
“The Domain of Shakyamuni”
To help Chas understand the Buddha’s place in Nichiren’s teachings !
~ Katie
WND vol. 2 #380
“The Domain of Shakyamuni”
To help Chas understand the Buddha’s place in Nichiren’s teachings !
~ Katie
Noel
Dec 31, 2017, 9:30:09 AM12/31/17
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On one hand nichiren budhhism has been spread in ikedas name and on the other hand it's been destroyed in his name
Happy new year 2018 From Australia
Happy new year 2018 From Australia
Chas.
Dec 31, 2017, 2:23:57 PM12/31/17
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Wake Up, Little Katie! It's Time To Go Home! +
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 1:37:11 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Arbitrary opinion!
>
> Guess who you have to thank for thinking it’s a “ doctrine”?
>
> ~Katie
I guess Nichiren Daishonin, and here are a small selection of Gosho quotes supporting that view.
Note the first one, from "The Opening of the Eyes," no less, where Nichiren Daishonin states clearly that all the Buddhas, no matter what provisional sutra it is in which they appear, they all attained enlightenment through the Lotus Sutra.
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, pp. 260-261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
... THE VARIOUS BUDDHAS, BODHISATTVAS, AND HEAVENLY AND HUMAN
... BEINGS DESCRIBED IN THE SUTRAS THAT PRECEDED THE LOTUS MAY
... SEEM TO HAVE GAINED ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH THE PARTICULAR
... SUTRAS IN WHICH THEY APPEAR. But in fact they attained
... enlightenment only through the Lotus Sutra. THE GENERAL VOW
... TAKEN BY SHAKYAMUNI AND THE OTHER BUDDHAS TO SAVE COUNTLESS
... LIVING BEINGS FINDS FULFILLMENT THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA.
From "The Teaching, Practice, and Proof," WND I, p. 481:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/57#para-26
... Then, pausing briefly, tell them that the five characters
... of Myoho-renge-kyo, the heart of the essential teaching of
... the Lotus Sutra, CONTAIN THE BENEFIT AMASSED THROUGH THE
... COUNTLESS PRACTICES AND MERITORIOUS DEEDS OF ALL BUDDHAS
... THROUGHOUT THE THREE EXISTENCES.
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 266:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-258
... For the space of a kalpa one may honor and GIVE ALMS TO THE
... VARIOUS THUS COME ONES WHO ARE AS COUNTLESS AS THE DUST
... PARTICLES OF THOSE TEN BUDDHA LANDS.
From 'Expedient Means and “Life Span” Chapters,' WND I, p. 70:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/9#para-14
... If a woman who believes in the Lotus Sutra should ever fall
... into the evil paths as a result of jealousy or ill temper
... or because of excessive greed, THEN THE THUS COME ONE
... SHAKYAMUNI, THE BUDDHA MANY TREASURES, AND THE BUDDHAS OF
... THE TEN DIRECTIONS WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE GUILTY OF BREAKING
... THE VOW THEY HAVE UPHELD OVER THE SPAN OF COUNTLESS KALPAS
... NEVER TO TELL A LIE.
From "On Offerings for Deceased Ancestors," WND I, p. 820:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
... The Venerable Maudgalyāyana put his faith in the Lotus
... Sutra, which is the greatest good there is, and thus NOT
... ONLY DID HE HIMSELF ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD, BUT HIS FATHER AND
... MOTHER DID SO AS WELL. AND, AMAZING AS IT MAY SEEM, ALL THE
... FATHERS AND MOTHERS OF THE PRECEDING SEVEN GENERATIONS AND
... THE SEVEN GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOWED, INDEED, OF COUNTLESS
... LIFETIMES BEFORE AND AFTER, WERE ABLE TO BECOME BUDDHAS. IN
... ADDITION, ALL THEIR SONS, THEIR WIVES OR HUSBANDS, THEIR
... RETAINERS, SUPPORTERS, AND COUNTLESS OTHER PERSONS NOT ONLY
... WERE ENABLED TO ESCAPE FROM THE THREE EVIL PATHS, BUT ALL
... ATTAINED THE FIRST STAGE OF SECURITY AND THEN BUDDHAHOOD,
... THE STAGE OF PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
From "On Prayer," WND I, p. 339:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/38#para-24
... After that, bodhisattvas from this world and from other
... regions assembled together like gathering clouds or so many
... stars. AND WHEN THE “TREASURE TOWER” CHAPTER WAS PREACHED,
... THE BUDDHAS OF THE TEN DIRECTIONS GATHERED ROUND, EACH
... ACCOMPANIED BY COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF BODHISATTVAS.
If those countless Buddhas appeared in the Lotus Sutra that Shakyamuni preached 3000 years ago, when was it that they attained Buddhahood before that?
Even if they were followers of Shakyamuni in a previous existence, HIS NAME WAS NOT SHAKYAMUNI and he did not appear as a beautiful Indian male as depicted in the statues you so lovingly deify.
His eternal name, and mine and yours, is the "actual name of the entity," Myoho-Renge. It is the Law that is the teacher of all the Buddhas in the ten directions, not the Sanskrit name of an Indian man who died 3000 years ago, nor his earthly visage.
I would hazard a guess that the Gohonzon will always look similar in organization in all these worlds, in the language of the Buddhas: in Chinese characters and spoken with the Japanese sounds. So, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo will always look the same using photons or whatever particles transmit phenomena even x-rays or gammas, and also sound the same as sound pressure waves through a medium which could be a gas, liquid or solid medium. I would also predict that the family name of the Buddha preaching the Lotus Sutra would not be in Sanskrit and THUS COULD NOT BE SHAKYA AND HIS NAME ON THE UPPER LEFT WILL NOT BE SHAKYAMUNI, EVEN IF IT WAS OR WILL BE THE MAN SHAKYAMUNI IN ANOTHER LIFE.
You are worshiping an impermanent image of a dead man, son of dead dynasty, not the eternal Buddha, Katie Higgins.
That is in the center of the Gohonzon and that name is "Myoho-Renge."
Wake up, lady.
-Chas.
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 1:37:11 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Arbitrary opinion!
>
> Guess who you have to thank for thinking it’s a “ doctrine”?
>
> ~Katie
I guess Nichiren Daishonin, and here are a small selection of Gosho quotes supporting that view.
Note the first one, from "The Opening of the Eyes," no less, where Nichiren Daishonin states clearly that all the Buddhas, no matter what provisional sutra it is in which they appear, they all attained enlightenment through the Lotus Sutra.
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, pp. 260-261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
... THE VARIOUS BUDDHAS, BODHISATTVAS, AND HEAVENLY AND HUMAN
... BEINGS DESCRIBED IN THE SUTRAS THAT PRECEDED THE LOTUS MAY
... SEEM TO HAVE GAINED ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH THE PARTICULAR
... SUTRAS IN WHICH THEY APPEAR. But in fact they attained
... enlightenment only through the Lotus Sutra. THE GENERAL VOW
... TAKEN BY SHAKYAMUNI AND THE OTHER BUDDHAS TO SAVE COUNTLESS
... LIVING BEINGS FINDS FULFILLMENT THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA.
From "The Teaching, Practice, and Proof," WND I, p. 481:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/57#para-26
... Then, pausing briefly, tell them that the five characters
... of Myoho-renge-kyo, the heart of the essential teaching of
... the Lotus Sutra, CONTAIN THE BENEFIT AMASSED THROUGH THE
... COUNTLESS PRACTICES AND MERITORIOUS DEEDS OF ALL BUDDHAS
... THROUGHOUT THE THREE EXISTENCES.
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 266:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-258
... For the space of a kalpa one may honor and GIVE ALMS TO THE
... VARIOUS THUS COME ONES WHO ARE AS COUNTLESS AS THE DUST
... PARTICLES OF THOSE TEN BUDDHA LANDS.
From 'Expedient Means and “Life Span” Chapters,' WND I, p. 70:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/9#para-14
... If a woman who believes in the Lotus Sutra should ever fall
... into the evil paths as a result of jealousy or ill temper
... or because of excessive greed, THEN THE THUS COME ONE
... SHAKYAMUNI, THE BUDDHA MANY TREASURES, AND THE BUDDHAS OF
... THE TEN DIRECTIONS WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE GUILTY OF BREAKING
... THE VOW THEY HAVE UPHELD OVER THE SPAN OF COUNTLESS KALPAS
... NEVER TO TELL A LIE.
From "On Offerings for Deceased Ancestors," WND I, p. 820:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
... The Venerable Maudgalyāyana put his faith in the Lotus
... Sutra, which is the greatest good there is, and thus NOT
... ONLY DID HE HIMSELF ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD, BUT HIS FATHER AND
... MOTHER DID SO AS WELL. AND, AMAZING AS IT MAY SEEM, ALL THE
... FATHERS AND MOTHERS OF THE PRECEDING SEVEN GENERATIONS AND
... THE SEVEN GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOWED, INDEED, OF COUNTLESS
... LIFETIMES BEFORE AND AFTER, WERE ABLE TO BECOME BUDDHAS. IN
... ADDITION, ALL THEIR SONS, THEIR WIVES OR HUSBANDS, THEIR
... RETAINERS, SUPPORTERS, AND COUNTLESS OTHER PERSONS NOT ONLY
... WERE ENABLED TO ESCAPE FROM THE THREE EVIL PATHS, BUT ALL
... ATTAINED THE FIRST STAGE OF SECURITY AND THEN BUDDHAHOOD,
... THE STAGE OF PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
From "On Prayer," WND I, p. 339:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/38#para-24
... After that, bodhisattvas from this world and from other
... regions assembled together like gathering clouds or so many
... stars. AND WHEN THE “TREASURE TOWER” CHAPTER WAS PREACHED,
... THE BUDDHAS OF THE TEN DIRECTIONS GATHERED ROUND, EACH
... ACCOMPANIED BY COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF BODHISATTVAS.
If those countless Buddhas appeared in the Lotus Sutra that Shakyamuni preached 3000 years ago, when was it that they attained Buddhahood before that?
Even if they were followers of Shakyamuni in a previous existence, HIS NAME WAS NOT SHAKYAMUNI and he did not appear as a beautiful Indian male as depicted in the statues you so lovingly deify.
His eternal name, and mine and yours, is the "actual name of the entity," Myoho-Renge. It is the Law that is the teacher of all the Buddhas in the ten directions, not the Sanskrit name of an Indian man who died 3000 years ago, nor his earthly visage.
I would hazard a guess that the Gohonzon will always look similar in organization in all these worlds, in the language of the Buddhas: in Chinese characters and spoken with the Japanese sounds. So, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo will always look the same using photons or whatever particles transmit phenomena even x-rays or gammas, and also sound the same as sound pressure waves through a medium which could be a gas, liquid or solid medium. I would also predict that the family name of the Buddha preaching the Lotus Sutra would not be in Sanskrit and THUS COULD NOT BE SHAKYA AND HIS NAME ON THE UPPER LEFT WILL NOT BE SHAKYAMUNI, EVEN IF IT WAS OR WILL BE THE MAN SHAKYAMUNI IN ANOTHER LIFE.
You are worshiping an impermanent image of a dead man, son of dead dynasty, not the eternal Buddha, Katie Higgins.
That is in the center of the Gohonzon and that name is "Myoho-Renge."
Wake up, lady.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 1, 2018, 7:19:13 AM1/1/18
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I believe In , and seek Shakyamuni Buddha of the Lifespan chapter who vowed to always abide in this world . I seek this Buddha with a heart full of gratitude . I have no doubts , Shakyamuni is here preaching the Dharma —
Chas and SGIKEDA are deprived of the great benefit of believing the Lotus Sutra by choice - they are satisfied with personal comfort
And material gain from the devil king, their parent , They are an ill behaved , ill mannered lot - so ostensibly NOT Buddhist !
< Katie
Chas and SGIKEDA are deprived of the great benefit of believing the Lotus Sutra by choice - they are satisfied with personal comfort
And material gain from the devil king, their parent , They are an ill behaved , ill mannered lot - so ostensibly NOT Buddhist !
< Katie
Chas.
Jan 2, 2018, 1:43:21 AM1/2/18
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The Various Kinds of Buddhas, Partially Enumerated +
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
[snip]
>
> There are 3 types of Buddhas
>
> shijō-shōkaku-no-hotoke （始成正覚の仏）: the Buddha who attained enlightenment for the first time in his present lifetime
>
> kuon-jitsujō （久遠実成）: attainment of Buddhahood in the remote past
>
>
> kuonganjo-no-jijuyūshin （久遠元初の自受用身）: Buddha of beginningless time
Actually, kuon-jitsujō is not a Buddha per se, it is the historic quality of how someone attained Buddhahood, there is however a Buddha related to that.
There are more than three types of Buddhas, I will enumerate some of them:
Working backwards from the ultimate point of view:
Since it is the ultimate determination of the eternal Buddha in the last four lines of the Jiga-ge for all living beings to manifest their innate potential of Buddhahood, faith in the Lotus Sutra leads us to the enlightened view that in the three existences of past, present and future in a single moment of life, that somehow, some way, all living beings will "attain the first stage of security and then Buddhahood, the stage of perfect enlightenment."
** from "On Offerings for Deceased Ancestors", WND I, p. 820:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
In that enlightened view sustained by that faith in the Lotus Sutra, all living beings in the ten directions and three existences ARE BUDDHAS NOW. This is the view Nichiren Daishonin took, in spite of the evidence of the inhabitants of the Saha world around him. It is the view from the eye of the Gohonzon, and the view of Myoho-Renge, the entity of the Mystic Law.
Hence (1) the eternal Buddha, whose actual name is "Myoho-Renge", who is also called Kuon-Ganjo (Buddha of beginningless time), and and also called Jiju-Yushin (Buddha of absolute freedom, Buddha of limitless joy, and (2) Buddha of self-enjoyment: see next).
(2) The Buddha of self-enjoyment (Jijuyūshin) which corresponds to the reward body, "is one who enjoys the benefits of enlightenment he attained as a result of his past meritorious achievements, such as Shakyamuni when he attained enlightenment under the bodhi tree" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(3) The Buddha of beneficence (Tajuyūshin) which also corresponds to the reward body, "is one who responds to the people’s desire and benefits them through the various teachings that they hope to hear" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(4) The Common Mortal. Since all living beings are enlightened Buddhas in the three existences in a single moment of life, " A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies, and a true Buddha." - from "True Aspect of All Phenomena," WND I, p. 383. This is not a subset class, the common mortal IS THE TRUE BUDDHA, and deserves our full respect as the eternal Buddha of Kuon-Ganjo/Beginningless Time and Jiju-Yushin/Limitless Joy. This is the enlightened view, but since we are all Buddhas, it is in fact the truth of life in the Saha World, whether we like it or not. Like many things this simply requires acceptance, predicated upon faith in the Lotus Sutra.
“Shakyamuni taught that the shallow is easy to embrace, but the profound is difficult. To discard the shallow and seek the profound is the way of a person of courage,” WND I, p. 402.
In addition, the three bodies of the Buddha are all named as Buddhas:
(5) Buddha of the Dharma body ［法身・法身仏］ (Skt dharma-kāya, Jpn hosshin or hosshin-butsu): the essence of Buddhahood, the ultimate truth or Law, and the true nature of the Buddha’s life. It also means a Buddha per se, whose body is the Law itself.
(6) Buddha of the reward body ［報身・報身仏］ (Skt sambhoga-kāya; Jpn hōshin, or hōjin, or hōshin-butsu): a body obtained as a reward of completing bodhisattva practices. As the concept of three bodies developed, questions arose as to which Buddha possessed which body. Amida Buddha and Medicine Master Buddha were categorized as Buddhas of the reward body. Amida, for example, was believed to have been the bodhisattva Dharma Treasury in a past existence, but was reborn as a Buddha in reward for his Buddhist practice. In contrast with this early stage of the doctrine of the three bodies, it was later held that a single Buddha possesses all three bodies; in this sense, the three bodies can be regarded as three properties inherent in a Buddha, the reward body representing the property of wisdom. The Sanskrit word sambhoga-kāya literally means body of enjoyment or bliss body. When sambhoga-kāya was translated into Chinese, it was rendered as “reward body.”
(7) Buddha of the manifested body ［応身・応身仏］ (Skt nirmāna-kāya; Jpn ōjin or ōjin-butsu): the physical form that a Buddha assumes in this world in order to save people. In other words, it is the body with which a Buddha carries out compassionate actions to lead people to enlightenment. A Buddha of this kind is called a Buddha of the manifested body. The T’ien-t’ai school distinguishes two types of manifested body: the inferior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles, and bodhisattvas who have not yet reached the first stage of development (the forty-first stage of bodhisattva practice); and the superior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at the first stage of development and beyond.
Hence, there are two subset classes under the Buddha of the Mahifested body:
(8) Buddha of the inferior manifested body ［劣応身］ (Jpn retsu-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the benefit of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles (voice-hearers and cause-awakened ones), and bodhisattvas below the first stage of development.
(9) Buddha of the superior manifested body ［勝応身］ (Jpn shō-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at or above the first stage of development, i.e., the forty-first of the fifty-two stages of bodhisattva practice.
According to Nichiren Daishonin, "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
... The various Buddhas, bodhisattvas, and heavenly and human
... beings described in the sutras that preceded the Lotus may
... seem to have gained enlightenment through the particular
... sutras in which they appear. But IN FACT THEY ATTAINED
... ENLIGHTENMENT ONLY THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA. The general vow
... taken by Shakyamuni and the other Buddhas to save countless
... living beings finds fulfillment through the Lotus Sutra.
... That is the meaning of the passage of the sutra that states
... that the vow “has now been fulfilled.”
Hence, there are also innumerable Buddhas like Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, Shakyamuni's father and mentor when he initially attained Buddhahood in the remote past (according to his own golden words in the Lotus Sutra), or like Amida Buddha, who were actual persons who practiced and attained enlightenment. Shakyamuni counted himself as one of these, and so did Nichiren Daishonin. Real people and common mortals who attained enlightenment are true Buddhas.
But we do not falsely deify and worship the statues of dead people, no matter how wonderful they were, their statues are not the true objects of devotion of the eternal Buddha, they are FALSE OBJECTS OF DEVOTION.
ONLY the Gohonzon is the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" - Nichiren Daishonin.
-Chas.
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
[snip]
>
> There are 3 types of Buddhas
>
> shijō-shōkaku-no-hotoke （始成正覚の仏）: the Buddha who attained enlightenment for the first time in his present lifetime
>
> kuon-jitsujō （久遠実成）: attainment of Buddhahood in the remote past
>
>
> kuonganjo-no-jijuyūshin （久遠元初の自受用身）: Buddha of beginningless time
Actually, kuon-jitsujō is not a Buddha per se, it is the historic quality of how someone attained Buddhahood, there is however a Buddha related to that.
There are more than three types of Buddhas, I will enumerate some of them:
Working backwards from the ultimate point of view:
Since it is the ultimate determination of the eternal Buddha in the last four lines of the Jiga-ge for all living beings to manifest their innate potential of Buddhahood, faith in the Lotus Sutra leads us to the enlightened view that in the three existences of past, present and future in a single moment of life, that somehow, some way, all living beings will "attain the first stage of security and then Buddhahood, the stage of perfect enlightenment."
** from "On Offerings for Deceased Ancestors", WND I, p. 820:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
In that enlightened view sustained by that faith in the Lotus Sutra, all living beings in the ten directions and three existences ARE BUDDHAS NOW. This is the view Nichiren Daishonin took, in spite of the evidence of the inhabitants of the Saha world around him. It is the view from the eye of the Gohonzon, and the view of Myoho-Renge, the entity of the Mystic Law.
Hence (1) the eternal Buddha, whose actual name is "Myoho-Renge", who is also called Kuon-Ganjo (Buddha of beginningless time), and and also called Jiju-Yushin (Buddha of absolute freedom, Buddha of limitless joy, and (2) Buddha of self-enjoyment: see next).
(2) The Buddha of self-enjoyment (Jijuyūshin) which corresponds to the reward body, "is one who enjoys the benefits of enlightenment he attained as a result of his past meritorious achievements, such as Shakyamuni when he attained enlightenment under the bodhi tree" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(3) The Buddha of beneficence (Tajuyūshin) which also corresponds to the reward body, "is one who responds to the people’s desire and benefits them through the various teachings that they hope to hear" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(4) The Common Mortal. Since all living beings are enlightened Buddhas in the three existences in a single moment of life, " A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies, and a true Buddha." - from "True Aspect of All Phenomena," WND I, p. 383. This is not a subset class, the common mortal IS THE TRUE BUDDHA, and deserves our full respect as the eternal Buddha of Kuon-Ganjo/Beginningless Time and Jiju-Yushin/Limitless Joy. This is the enlightened view, but since we are all Buddhas, it is in fact the truth of life in the Saha World, whether we like it or not. Like many things this simply requires acceptance, predicated upon faith in the Lotus Sutra.
“Shakyamuni taught that the shallow is easy to embrace, but the profound is difficult. To discard the shallow and seek the profound is the way of a person of courage,” WND I, p. 402.
In addition, the three bodies of the Buddha are all named as Buddhas:
(5) Buddha of the Dharma body ［法身・法身仏］ (Skt dharma-kāya, Jpn hosshin or hosshin-butsu): the essence of Buddhahood, the ultimate truth or Law, and the true nature of the Buddha’s life. It also means a Buddha per se, whose body is the Law itself.
(6) Buddha of the reward body ［報身・報身仏］ (Skt sambhoga-kāya; Jpn hōshin, or hōjin, or hōshin-butsu): a body obtained as a reward of completing bodhisattva practices. As the concept of three bodies developed, questions arose as to which Buddha possessed which body. Amida Buddha and Medicine Master Buddha were categorized as Buddhas of the reward body. Amida, for example, was believed to have been the bodhisattva Dharma Treasury in a past existence, but was reborn as a Buddha in reward for his Buddhist practice. In contrast with this early stage of the doctrine of the three bodies, it was later held that a single Buddha possesses all three bodies; in this sense, the three bodies can be regarded as three properties inherent in a Buddha, the reward body representing the property of wisdom. The Sanskrit word sambhoga-kāya literally means body of enjoyment or bliss body. When sambhoga-kāya was translated into Chinese, it was rendered as “reward body.”
(7) Buddha of the manifested body ［応身・応身仏］ (Skt nirmāna-kāya; Jpn ōjin or ōjin-butsu): the physical form that a Buddha assumes in this world in order to save people. In other words, it is the body with which a Buddha carries out compassionate actions to lead people to enlightenment. A Buddha of this kind is called a Buddha of the manifested body. The T’ien-t’ai school distinguishes two types of manifested body: the inferior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles, and bodhisattvas who have not yet reached the first stage of development (the forty-first stage of bodhisattva practice); and the superior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at the first stage of development and beyond.
Hence, there are two subset classes under the Buddha of the Mahifested body:
(8) Buddha of the inferior manifested body ［劣応身］ (Jpn retsu-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the benefit of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles (voice-hearers and cause-awakened ones), and bodhisattvas below the first stage of development.
(9) Buddha of the superior manifested body ［勝応身］ (Jpn shō-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at or above the first stage of development, i.e., the forty-first of the fifty-two stages of bodhisattva practice.
According to Nichiren Daishonin, "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
... The various Buddhas, bodhisattvas, and heavenly and human
... beings described in the sutras that preceded the Lotus may
... seem to have gained enlightenment through the particular
... sutras in which they appear. But IN FACT THEY ATTAINED
... ENLIGHTENMENT ONLY THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA. The general vow
... taken by Shakyamuni and the other Buddhas to save countless
... living beings finds fulfillment through the Lotus Sutra.
... That is the meaning of the passage of the sutra that states
... that the vow “has now been fulfilled.”
Hence, there are also innumerable Buddhas like Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, Shakyamuni's father and mentor when he initially attained Buddhahood in the remote past (according to his own golden words in the Lotus Sutra), or like Amida Buddha, who were actual persons who practiced and attained enlightenment. Shakyamuni counted himself as one of these, and so did Nichiren Daishonin. Real people and common mortals who attained enlightenment are true Buddhas.
But we do not falsely deify and worship the statues of dead people, no matter how wonderful they were, their statues are not the true objects of devotion of the eternal Buddha, they are FALSE OBJECTS OF DEVOTION.
ONLY the Gohonzon is the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" - Nichiren Daishonin.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 2, 2018, 10:35:39 PM1/2/18
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Chas claims :>>"
Nichirenh never called himself a Buddha. Nichiren reminds us constantly that "This threefold world is ALL Shakyamuni;s domain"-- Which "other" Buddha vowed to "rescue all living beings in this saha world? Which other Buddha claimed "all living beings are my children"?
Chas has reasoned his way to absurdity, again !!
No Buddha- No Buddhism. Chas and SGI in a nutshell.
~Katie
Hence, there are also innumerable Buddhas like Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, Shakyamuni's father and mentor when he initially attained Buddhahood in the remote past (according to his own golden words in the Lotus Sutra), or like Amida Buddha, who were actual persons who practiced and attained enlightenment. Shakyamuni counted himself as one of these, and so did Nichiren Daishonin. Real people and common mortals who attained enlightenment are true Buddhas. "<<
I cannot find a single reference from Shakyamuni or Nichiren where either identifies as "one of these" Buddhas Chas is pontificating about.
Nichirenh never called himself a Buddha. Nichiren reminds us constantly that "This threefold world is ALL Shakyamuni;s domain"-- Which "other" Buddha vowed to "rescue all living beings in this saha world? Which other Buddha claimed "all living beings are my children"?
Chas has reasoned his way to absurdity, again !!
No Buddha- No Buddhism. Chas and SGI in a nutshell.
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 3, 2018, 12:14:06 AM1/3/18
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:22:12 PM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
[snip]
What Chas and others here do not do, is investigate the "story" they keep telling with authoritative tones! Be that as it may, Chas concludes his mentalizations with this :
[snip]
Baloney. Worship is a statue on your altar in front of the Gohonzon, "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." Reverence is a picture on the wall in the bedroom or the front entry, maybe a statue in the yard. Worshiping idols of the the dead is simply wrong, especially in Buddhism, where a person who died three thousand years ago is likely to have moved on to another life and another name.
Note the generic nature of the name "Buddha" or enlightened one. That can be applied to persons other than Shakyamuni:
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The Various Kinds of Buddhas, Partially Enumerated +
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
[snip]
>
> There are 3 types of Buddhas
>
> shijō-shōkaku-no-hotoke （始成正覚の仏）: the Buddha who attained enlightenment for the first time in his present lifetime
>
> kuon-jitsujō （久遠実成）: attainment of Buddhahood in the remote past
>
>
> kuonganjo-no-jijuyūshin （久遠元初の自受用身）: Buddha of beginningless time
Actually, kuon-jitsujō is not a Buddha per se, it is the historic quality of how someone attained Buddhahood, there is however a Buddha related to that.
There are more than three types of Buddhas, I will enumerate some of them:
Working backwards from the ultimate point of view:
Since it is the ultimate determination of the eternal Buddha in the last four lines of the Jiga-ge for all living beings to manifest their innate potential of Buddhahood, faith in the Lotus Sutra leads us to the enlightened view that in the three existences of past, present and future in a single moment of life, that somehow, some way, all living beings will "attain the first stage of security and then Buddhahood, the stage of perfect enlightenment."
** from "On Offerings for Deceased Ancestors", WND I, p. 820:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
In that enlightened view sustained by that faith in the Lotus Sutra, all living beings in the ten directions and three existences ARE BUDDHAS NOW. This is the view Nichiren Daishonin took, in spite of the evidence of the inhabitants of the Saha world around him. It is the view from the eye of the Gohonzon, and the view of Myoho-Renge, the entity of the Mystic Law.
Hence (1) the eternal Buddha, whose actual name is "Myoho-Renge", who is also called Kuon-Ganjo (Buddha of beginningless time), and also called Jiju-Yushin (Buddha of absolute freedom, Buddha of limitless joy, and (2) Buddha of self-enjoyment: see next).
(2) The Buddha of self-enjoyment (Jijuyūshin) which corresponds to the reward body, "is one who enjoys the benefits of enlightenment he attained as a result of his past meritorious achievements, such as Shakyamuni when he attained enlightenment under the bodhi tree" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(3) The Buddha of beneficence (Tajuyūshin) which also corresponds to the reward body, "is one who responds to the people’s desire and benefits them through the various teachings that they hope to hear" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(4) The Common Mortal. Since all living beings are enlightened Buddhas in the three existences in a single moment of life, " A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies, and a true Buddha." - from "True Aspect of All Phenomena," WND I, p. 383. This is not a subset class, the common mortal IS THE TRUE BUDDHA, and deserves our full respect as the eternal Buddha of Kuon-Ganjo/Beginningless Time and Jiju-Yushin/Limitless Joy. This is the enlightened view, but since we are all Buddhas, it is in fact the truth of life in the Saha World, whether we like it or not. Like many things this simply requires acceptance, predicated upon faith in the Lotus Sutra.
“Shakyamuni taught that the shallow is easy to embrace, but the profound is difficult. To discard the shallow and seek the profound is the way of a person of courage,” WND I, p. 402.
In addition, the three bodies of the Buddha are all named as Buddhas:
(5) Buddha of the Dharma body ［法身・法身仏］ (Skt dharma-kāya, Jpn hosshin or hosshin-butsu): the essence of Buddhahood, the ultimate truth or Law, and the true nature of the Buddha’s life. It also means a Buddha per se, whose body is the Law itself.
(6) Buddha of the reward body ［報身・報身仏］ (Skt sambhoga-kāya; Jpn hōshin, or hōjin, or hōshin-butsu): a body obtained as a reward of completing bodhisattva practices. As the concept of three bodies developed, questions arose as to which Buddha possessed which body. Amida Buddha and Medicine Master Buddha were categorized as Buddhas of the reward body. Amida, for example, was believed to have been the bodhisattva Dharma Treasury in a past existence, but was reborn as a Buddha in reward for his Buddhist practice. In contrast with this early stage of the doctrine of the three bodies, it was later held that a single Buddha possesses all three bodies; in this sense, the three bodies can be regarded as three properties inherent in a Buddha, the reward body representing the property of wisdom. The Sanskrit word sambhoga-kāya literally means body of enjoyment or bliss body. When sambhoga-kāya was translated into Chinese, it was rendered as “reward body.”
(7) Buddha of the manifested body ［応身・応身仏］ (Skt nirmāna-kāya; Jpn ōjin or ōjin-butsu): the physical form that a Buddha assumes in this world in order to save people. In other words, it is the body with which a Buddha carries out compassionate actions to lead people to enlightenment. A Buddha of this kind is called a Buddha of the manifested body. The T’ien-t’ai school distinguishes two types of manifested body: the inferior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles, and bodhisattvas who have not yet reached the first stage of development (the forty-first stage of bodhisattva practice); and the superior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at the first stage of development and beyond.
Hence, there are two subset classes under the Buddha of the Mahifested body:
(8) Buddha of the inferior manifested body ［劣応身］ (Jpn retsu-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the benefit of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles (voice-hearers and cause-awakened ones), and bodhisattvas below the first stage of development.
(9) Buddha of the superior manifested body ［勝応身］ (Jpn shō-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at or above the first stage of development, i.e., the forty-first of the fifty-two stages of bodhisattva practice.
According to Nichiren Daishonin, "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
... The various Buddhas, bodhisattvas, and heavenly and human
... beings described in the sutras that preceded the Lotus may
... seem to have gained enlightenment through the particular
... sutras in which they appear. But IN FACT THEY ATTAINED
... ENLIGHTENMENT ONLY THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA. The general vow
... taken by Shakyamuni and the other Buddhas to save countless
... living beings finds fulfillment through the Lotus Sutra.
... That is the meaning of the passage of the sutra that states
... that the vow “has now been fulfilled.”
[snip]
What Chas and others here do not do, is investigate the "story" they keep telling with authoritative tones! Be that as it may, Chas concludes his mentalizations with this :
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> <<"You are worshiping an impermanent image of a dead man, son of dead dynasty, not the eternal Buddha, Katie Higgins. "<<
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> Chas will not acknowledge the difference between "worship" and "reverence", nor can he explain why Nichiren writes in detail why Shakyamuni is the ONE BUDDHA to whom we owe the greatest debt of gratitude.
> <<"You are worshiping an impermanent image of a dead man, son of dead dynasty, not the eternal Buddha, Katie Higgins. "<<
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[snip]
Baloney. Worship is a statue on your altar in front of the Gohonzon, "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." Reverence is a picture on the wall in the bedroom or the front entry, maybe a statue in the yard. Worshiping idols of the the dead is simply wrong, especially in Buddhism, where a person who died three thousand years ago is likely to have moved on to another life and another name.
Note the generic nature of the name "Buddha" or enlightened one. That can be applied to persons other than Shakyamuni:
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The Various Kinds of Buddhas, Partially Enumerated +
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
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> There are 3 types of Buddhas
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> shijō-shōkaku-no-hotoke （始成正覚の仏）: the Buddha who attained enlightenment for the first time in his present lifetime
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> kuon-jitsujō （久遠実成）: attainment of Buddhahood in the remote past
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> kuonganjo-no-jijuyūshin （久遠元初の自受用身）: Buddha of beginningless time
Actually, kuon-jitsujō is not a Buddha per se, it is the historic quality of how someone attained Buddhahood, there is however a Buddha related to that.
There are more than three types of Buddhas, I will enumerate some of them:
Working backwards from the ultimate point of view:
Since it is the ultimate determination of the eternal Buddha in the last four lines of the Jiga-ge for all living beings to manifest their innate potential of Buddhahood, faith in the Lotus Sutra leads us to the enlightened view that in the three existences of past, present and future in a single moment of life, that somehow, some way, all living beings will "attain the first stage of security and then Buddhahood, the stage of perfect enlightenment."
** from "On Offerings for Deceased Ancestors", WND I, p. 820:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
In that enlightened view sustained by that faith in the Lotus Sutra, all living beings in the ten directions and three existences ARE BUDDHAS NOW. This is the view Nichiren Daishonin took, in spite of the evidence of the inhabitants of the Saha world around him. It is the view from the eye of the Gohonzon, and the view of Myoho-Renge, the entity of the Mystic Law.
(2) The Buddha of self-enjoyment (Jijuyūshin) which corresponds to the reward body, "is one who enjoys the benefits of enlightenment he attained as a result of his past meritorious achievements, such as Shakyamuni when he attained enlightenment under the bodhi tree" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(3) The Buddha of beneficence (Tajuyūshin) which also corresponds to the reward body, "is one who responds to the people’s desire and benefits them through the various teachings that they hope to hear" - Soka Gakkai Dictionary. You could think of this as a subset class of the eternal Buddha and not really a separate type of Buddha.
(4) The Common Mortal. Since all living beings are enlightened Buddhas in the three existences in a single moment of life, " A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies, and a true Buddha." - from "True Aspect of All Phenomena," WND I, p. 383. This is not a subset class, the common mortal IS THE TRUE BUDDHA, and deserves our full respect as the eternal Buddha of Kuon-Ganjo/Beginningless Time and Jiju-Yushin/Limitless Joy. This is the enlightened view, but since we are all Buddhas, it is in fact the truth of life in the Saha World, whether we like it or not. Like many things this simply requires acceptance, predicated upon faith in the Lotus Sutra.
“Shakyamuni taught that the shallow is easy to embrace, but the profound is difficult. To discard the shallow and seek the profound is the way of a person of courage,” WND I, p. 402.
In addition, the three bodies of the Buddha are all named as Buddhas:
(5) Buddha of the Dharma body ［法身・法身仏］ (Skt dharma-kāya, Jpn hosshin or hosshin-butsu): the essence of Buddhahood, the ultimate truth or Law, and the true nature of the Buddha’s life. It also means a Buddha per se, whose body is the Law itself.
(6) Buddha of the reward body ［報身・報身仏］ (Skt sambhoga-kāya; Jpn hōshin, or hōjin, or hōshin-butsu): a body obtained as a reward of completing bodhisattva practices. As the concept of three bodies developed, questions arose as to which Buddha possessed which body. Amida Buddha and Medicine Master Buddha were categorized as Buddhas of the reward body. Amida, for example, was believed to have been the bodhisattva Dharma Treasury in a past existence, but was reborn as a Buddha in reward for his Buddhist practice. In contrast with this early stage of the doctrine of the three bodies, it was later held that a single Buddha possesses all three bodies; in this sense, the three bodies can be regarded as three properties inherent in a Buddha, the reward body representing the property of wisdom. The Sanskrit word sambhoga-kāya literally means body of enjoyment or bliss body. When sambhoga-kāya was translated into Chinese, it was rendered as “reward body.”
(7) Buddha of the manifested body ［応身・応身仏］ (Skt nirmāna-kāya; Jpn ōjin or ōjin-butsu): the physical form that a Buddha assumes in this world in order to save people. In other words, it is the body with which a Buddha carries out compassionate actions to lead people to enlightenment. A Buddha of this kind is called a Buddha of the manifested body. The T’ien-t’ai school distinguishes two types of manifested body: the inferior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles, and bodhisattvas who have not yet reached the first stage of development (the forty-first stage of bodhisattva practice); and the superior manifested body, or the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at the first stage of development and beyond.
Hence, there are two subset classes under the Buddha of the Mahifested body:
(8) Buddha of the inferior manifested body ［劣応身］ (Jpn retsu-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the benefit of ordinary people, persons of the two vehicles (voice-hearers and cause-awakened ones), and bodhisattvas below the first stage of development.
(9) Buddha of the superior manifested body ［勝応身］ (Jpn shō-ōjin): the Buddha who appears for the sake of bodhisattvas at or above the first stage of development, i.e., the forty-first of the fifty-two stages of bodhisattva practice.
According to Nichiren Daishonin, "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
... The various Buddhas, bodhisattvas, and heavenly and human
... beings described in the sutras that preceded the Lotus may
... seem to have gained enlightenment through the particular
... sutras in which they appear. But IN FACT THEY ATTAINED
... ENLIGHTENMENT ONLY THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA. The general vow
... taken by Shakyamuni and the other Buddhas to save countless
... living beings finds fulfillment through the Lotus Sutra.
... That is the meaning of the passage of the sutra that states
... that the vow “has now been fulfilled.”
Hence, there are also innumerable Buddhas like Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, Shakyamuni's father and mentor when he initially attained Buddhahood in the remote past (according to his own golden words in the Lotus Sutra), or like Amida Buddha, who were actual persons who practiced and attained enlightenment. Shakyamuni counted himself as one of these, and so did Nichiren Daishonin. Real people and common mortals who attained enlightenment are true Buddhas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 3, 2018, 1:56:15 AM1/3/18
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Chas posits a falsehood to deflect from his error: >>"Baloney. Worship is a statue on your altar in front of the Gohonzon,"<<
There is only my water offering in front of my Nichiren Gohonzon.
Chas has no explanation for what he and SGIKEDA DON'T do, that is; BELIEVE Nichiren, who treasured his statue of Shakyamuni Buddha, which he willed to a senior disciple.
The few disputed writings in SGI's main corpus don't accord with the large body of Nichiren's writings. SGI members who purchased hard copies of Nichiren's Major Writings need only 'leaf through" and read passages daily to realize how far afield SGI is from Nichiren.
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 3, 2018, 3:12:10 AM1/3/18
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Shakyamuni has moved on from that physical shell that you worship. He is either in Ku or is inhabiting a different physical body with a new name.
He is no different in his life cycle than the rest of us.
Stop deifying the man, or whatever form he has taken on now!
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 3, 2018, 4:26:57 AM1/3/18
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"Thus it was revealed that Sakyamuni had long been the Buddha since the eternal past, and it became clear that various Buddhas in other worlds were all manifestations of Sakyamuni Buddha. In the pre-Lotus sutras, as well as the theological section of the Lotus Sutra, various Buddhas and Sakyamuni Buddha were on the same level, each practiced Buddhism on their own. Therefore, those who considered various Buddhas to be their main figures of worship did not worship Sakyamuni. Now, however, as Sakyamuni was proved to be the Eternal Buddha, those Buddhas on the lotus petals in the Flower Garland Sutra, or Buddhas in the Hodo, Hannya, or Great Sun Buddha sutras all became subordinates of Sakyamuni Buddha." -- Opening of the Eyes
Chas is just a hostile devotee of the multi billion dollar cult of personality, SGIKEDA.
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 3, 2018, 12:04:59 PM1/3/18
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OK, let's get you on the record here about your false-deification of Shakyamuni.
Was he a human being like the rest of us, or not?
Was he born of a woman as part of the human race, or not?
Did he respire, procreate, ingest food and drink like the rest of us, or not?
When he died, was he reincarnated or did his life end right there and then?
After reincarnation, was his name Shakyamuni?
How can that be if he is not a prince of the Shakyas, which is a dead dynasty?
If he is like us in any way, then he must be like the rest of us IN EVERY WAY!
-Chas.
Was he a human being like the rest of us, or not?
Was he born of a woman as part of the human race, or not?
Did he respire, procreate, ingest food and drink like the rest of us, or not?
When he died, was he reincarnated or did his life end right there and then?
After reincarnation, was his name Shakyamuni?
How can that be if he is not a prince of the Shakyas, which is a dead dynasty?
If he is like us in any way, then he must be like the rest of us IN EVERY WAY!
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 4, 2018, 5:29:20 PM1/4/18
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The Lotus Sutra is a record of Shakyamuni’s life. Try believing the Buddha for a change !!
~ Katie
~ Katie
Chas.
Jan 4, 2018, 11:07:33 PM1/4/18
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Here they are again, maybe you can get it this time:
Let's get on the record here about your false-deification of Shakyamuni.
1. Was he a human being like the rest of us, or not?
2. Was he born of a woman as part of the human race, or not?
3. Did he respire, procreate, ingest food and drink like the rest of us, or not?
4. When he died, was he reincarnated or did his life end right there and then?
5. After reincarnation, was his name Shakyamuni?
6. How can that be if he is not a prince of the Shakyas, which is a dead dynasty?
7. If he is like us in any way, then he must be like the rest of us IN EVERY WAY! Yes?
Answer 1. If the answers to those questions are not either purest fantasy or completely comic-book-insanity (remember Son-O'-God Comics?) ... then the name of the eternal Buddha IS NOT "Shakyamuni," and that means IT CAN ONLY BE AS NICHIREN DAISHONIN SAYS:
Answer 2. The "actual name of the entity" is "Myoho-Renge", which is why we chant "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo" and not "Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu," (nor "Nam-Nichiren-Daishonin", either.)
Answer 3. I'm hoping at some point reason will prevail on this matter, but I keep my expectations at a low ebb, so as not to be overly disappointed, as my dear departed father always instructed me to.
-Chas.
Let's get on the record here about your false-deification of Shakyamuni.
1. Was he a human being like the rest of us, or not?
2. Was he born of a woman as part of the human race, or not?
3. Did he respire, procreate, ingest food and drink like the rest of us, or not?
4. When he died, was he reincarnated or did his life end right there and then?
5. After reincarnation, was his name Shakyamuni?
6. How can that be if he is not a prince of the Shakyas, which is a dead dynasty?
7. If he is like us in any way, then he must be like the rest of us IN EVERY WAY! Yes?
Answer 1. If the answers to those questions are not either purest fantasy or completely comic-book-insanity (remember Son-O'-God Comics?) ... then the name of the eternal Buddha IS NOT "Shakyamuni," and that means IT CAN ONLY BE AS NICHIREN DAISHONIN SAYS:
Answer 2. The "actual name of the entity" is "Myoho-Renge", which is why we chant "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo" and not "Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu," (nor "Nam-Nichiren-Daishonin", either.)
Answer 3. I'm hoping at some point reason will prevail on this matter, but I keep my expectations at a low ebb, so as not to be overly disappointed, as my dear departed father always instructed me to.
-Chas.
Chas.
Jan 4, 2018, 11:14:15 PM1/4/18
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And by the way, if you believed what the Buddha preached in the Lotus Sutra you would accept the truth that he was preceded in preaching the Lotus Sutra by his grandfather, father and elder brothers:
In the "The Parable of the Phantom City", LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35
. "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
. passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
. finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
. perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
. householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
. was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
. kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
. when they heard that their father had attained supreme
. perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
. objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
. weeping, followed after them.
.
. "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
. along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
. hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
. all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
. place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
. thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
. alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
. arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
. to the ground.
Shakyamuni and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands:
In the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282
. “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
. the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
. attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
. ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
. immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
. of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
. of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
. region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
. Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
. southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
. Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
. one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
. Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
. Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
. are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
. other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
. buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
. Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
. Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
. one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
. King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
. named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
. SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
. SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
But you have shown time and again that you do not believe what the Buddha says, since it counters your false deification of him. Such hypocrisy!
-Chas.
In the "The Parable of the Phantom City", LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35
. "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
. passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
. finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
. perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
. householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
. was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
. kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
. when they heard that their father had attained supreme
. perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
. objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
. weeping, followed after them.
.
. "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
. along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
. hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
. all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
. place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
. thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
. alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
. arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
. to the ground.
Shakyamuni and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands:
In the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282
. “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
. the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
. attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
. ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
. immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
. of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
. of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
. region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
. Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
. southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
. Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
. one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
. Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
. Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
. are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
. other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
. buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
. Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
. Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
. one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
. King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
. named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
. SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
. SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
But you have shown time and again that you do not believe what the Buddha says, since it counters your false deification of him. Such hypocrisy!
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 5, 2018, 12:54:51 AM1/5/18
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Nichiren describes the Buddha in accordance with the Lotus Sutra. You should check out the portions of the Lotus Sutra you may be trviting everyday !!
I don’t have anything to add to or subtract from Nichiren’s teachings on Shakyamuni Buddha .
~ Katie
I don’t have anything to add to or subtract from Nichiren’s teachings on Shakyamuni Buddha .
~ Katie
Chas.
Jan 5, 2018, 11:17:07 PM1/5/18
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You are implicitly calling the same person you falsely deify a blatant liar, are you aware of that in your deluded mind-space?
You will not answer the points I raised above, simply because YOU CANNOT ANSWER THEM:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/EdH7dbugZVY/BI3KXEEkBAAJ
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 6, 2018, 5:56:52 AM1/6/18
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Bye Chas !!
Your perseveration on nonsense is intolerable .
~Katie
Your perseveration on nonsense is intolerable .
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 6, 2018, 2:41:33 PM1/6/18
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Katie Higgins Culty Idolatrous Views Are A Laughingstock +
Your position is so thoroughly refuted by the Buddha's golden words in the Lotus Sutra as to be laughable. In almost every chapter he talks about other great Buddhas, and talks about his family of great Buddhas before him, and also predicts that everyone around him will all become great Buddhas, even his worst enemy Devadatta! All of them achieving enlightenment and preaching the Lotus Sutra. All of them preaching much the same declarations in the Jiga-ge portion of the Life Span (Juryo Chapter).
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, pp. 260-261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
.. THE VARIOUS BUDDHAS, BODHISATTVAS, AND HEAVENLY AND HUMAN
.. BEINGS DESCRIBED IN THE SUTRAS THAT PRECEDED THE LOTUS MAY
.. SEEM TO HAVE GAINED ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH THE PARTICULAR
.. SUTRAS IN WHICH THEY APPEAR. But in fact they attained
.. enlightenment only through the Lotus Sutra. THE GENERAL VOW
.. TAKEN BY SHAKYAMUNI AND THE OTHER BUDDHAS TO SAVE COUNTLESS
.. LIVING BEINGS FINDS FULFILLMENT THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA.
From "The Teaching, Practice, and Proof," WND I, p. 481:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/57#para-26
.. Then, pausing briefly, tell them that the five characters
.. of Myoho-renge-kyo, the heart of the essential teaching of
.. the Lotus Sutra, CONTAIN THE BENEFIT AMASSED THROUGH THE
.. COUNTLESS PRACTICES AND MERITORIOUS DEEDS OF ALL BUDDHAS
.. THROUGHOUT THE THREE EXISTENCES.
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 266:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-258
.. For the space of a kalpa one may honor and GIVE ALMS TO THE
.. VARIOUS THUS COME ONES WHO ARE AS COUNTLESS AS THE DUST
.. PARTICLES OF THOSE TEN BUDDHA LANDS.
From 'Expedient Means and “Life Span” Chapters,' WND I, p. 70:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/9#para-14
.. If a woman who believes in the Lotus Sutra should ever fall
.. into the evil paths as a result of jealousy or ill temper
.. or because of excessive greed, THEN THE THUS COME ONE
.. SHAKYAMUNI, THE BUDDHA MANY TREASURES, AND THE BUDDHAS OF
.. THE TEN DIRECTIONS WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE GUILTY OF BREAKING
.. THE VOW THEY HAVE UPHELD OVER THE SPAN OF COUNTLESS KALPAS
.. NEVER TO TELL A LIE.
From "On Offerings for Deceased Ancestors," WND I, p. 820:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
.. The Venerable Maudgalyāyana put his faith in the Lotus
.. Sutra, which is the greatest good there is, and thus NOT
.. ONLY DID HE HIMSELF ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD, BUT HIS FATHER AND
.. MOTHER DID SO AS WELL. AND, AMAZING AS IT MAY SEEM, ALL THE
.. FATHERS AND MOTHERS OF THE PRECEDING SEVEN GENERATIONS AND
.. THE SEVEN GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOWED, INDEED, OF COUNTLESS
.. LIFETIMES BEFORE AND AFTER, WERE ABLE TO BECOME BUDDHAS. IN
.. ADDITION, ALL THEIR SONS, THEIR WIVES OR HUSBANDS, THEIR
.. RETAINERS, SUPPORTERS, AND COUNTLESS OTHER PERSONS NOT ONLY
.. WERE ENABLED TO ESCAPE FROM THE THREE EVIL PATHS, BUT ALL
.. ATTAINED THE FIRST STAGE OF SECURITY AND THEN BUDDHAHOOD,
.. THE STAGE OF PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
From "On Prayer," WND I, p. 339:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/38#para-24
.. After that, bodhisattvas from this world and from other
.. regions assembled together like gathering clouds or so many
.. stars. AND WHEN THE “TREASURE TOWER” CHAPTER WAS PREACHED,
.. THE BUDDHAS OF THE TEN DIRECTIONS GATHERED ROUND, EACH
.. ACCOMPANIED BY COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF BODHISATTVAS.
THe question for you is, when they preach the Jiga-ge and speak the words declaring the (1) life span of the their Buddha life, (2) the appearance of their Buddha life, (3) their eternal Buddha home, (4) the included others of their Buddha life, (5) their Buddha means and methods, and (6) their Buddha determination and vow: are they lying and only this one human being named Shakyamuni ... doomed to die and become dust and to have his name clan the Shakyas die out and be lost to history almost immediately after him ... only this one man is speaking the truth and all those Buddhas preaching the Jiga-ge elsewhere are lying, when they say:
Lotus Sutra: chapter 16: "Life Span of the Thus Come One", pp. 271-273:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-29
(1) our true lifespan
... Since I attained buddhahood
... the number of kalpas that have passed
... is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands,
... millions, trillions, asamkhyas.
... Constantly I have preached the Law, teaching, converting
... countless millions of living beings,
... causing them to enter the buddha way,
... all this for immeasurable kalpas.
... In order to save living beings,
... as an expedient means I appear to enter nirvana
... but in truth I do not pass into extinction.
... I am always here, preaching the Law.
... I am always here,
... but through my transcendental powers
... I make it so that living beings in their befuddlement
... do not see me even when close by.
(2) our true appearance
... When the multitude sees that I have passed into extinction,
... far and wide they offer alms to my relics.
... All harbor thoughts of yearning
... and in their minds thirst to gaze at me.
... When living beings have become truly faithful,
... honest and upright, gentle in intent,
... single-mindedly desiring to see the Buddha,
... not hesitating even if it costs them their lives,
... then I and the assembly of monks
... appear together on Holy Eagle Peak.
... At that time I tell the living beings
... that I am always here, never entering extinction,
... but that because of the power of expedient means
... at times I appear to be extinct, at other times not,
... and that if there are living beings in other lands
... who are reverent and sincere in their wish to believe,
... then among them too
... I will preach the unsurpassed Law.
... But you have not heard of this,
... so you suppose that I enter extinction.
... When I look at living beings
... I see them drowned in a sea of suffering;
... therefore I do not show myself,
... causing them to thirst for me.
... Then when their minds are filled with yearning,
... at last I appear and preach the Law for them.
... Such are my transcendental powers.
(3) our eternal home
... For asamkhya kalpas
... constantly I have dwelled on Holy Eagle Peak
... and in various other places.
... When living beings witness the end of a kalpa
... and all is consumed in a great fire,
... this, my land, remains safe and tranquil,
... constantly filled with heavenly and human beings.
... The halls and pavilions in its gardens and groves
... are adorned with various kinds of gems.
... Jeweled trees abound in flowers and fruit
... where living beings enjoy themselves at ease.
... The gods strike heavenly drums,
... constantly making many kinds of music.
... Mandarava blossoms rain down,
... scattering over the Buddha and the great assembly.
... My pure land is not destroyed,
... yet the multitude sees it as consumed in fire,
... with anxiety, fear, and other sufferings
... filling it everywhere.
(4) the included others of our life
... These living beings with their various offenses,
... through causes arising from their evil actions,
... spend asamkhya kalpas
... without hearing the name of the three treasures.
... But those who practice meritorious ways,
... who are gentle, peaceful, honest, and upright,
... all of them will see me
... here in person, preaching the Law.
... At times for this multitude
... I describe the Buddha’s life span as immeasurable,
... and to those who see the Buddha only after a long time
... I explain how difficult it is to meet a buddha.
... Such is the power of my wisdom
... that its sagacious beams shine without measure.
(5) our means and methods
... This life span of countless kalpas
... I gained as the result of lengthy practice.
... You who are possessed of wisdom,
... entertain no doubts on this point!
... Cast them off, end them forever,
... for the Buddha’s words are true, not false.
... He is like a skilled physician
... who uses an expedient means to cure his deranged sons.
... Though in fact alive, he gives out word he is dead,
... yet no one can say he speaks falsely.
... I am the father of this world,
... saving those who suffer and are afflicted.
... Because of the befuddlement of ordinary people,
... though I live, I give out word I have entered extinction.
... For if they see me constantly,
... arrogance and selfishness arise in their minds.
... Abandoning restraint, they give themselves up to the five desires
... and fall into the evil paths of existence.
(6) our determination and vow
... Always I am aware of which living beings
... practice the way, and which do not,
... and in response to their need for salvation
... I preach various doctrines for them.
... At all times I think to myself:
... How can I cause living beings
... to gain entry into the unsurpassed way
... and quickly acquire the body of a buddha?
Why would Shakyamuni tell the stories and extol the glories of such persons if they are all a bunch of liars and identity thieves?
Your crazy religious views are so culty and unexamined as to be laughable.
You are a laughingstock.
What Shakyamuni says only makes honest sense if all of these great Buddhas are really the same as he, with each having all living beings as emanations of their Buddha life, and that shared Buddha life has an "actual name of the entity" as "Myoho-Renge," just as Nichiren says.
In all those places in the Gosho, where Nichiren Daishonin is talking about the eternal Buddha with the name Shakyamuni, he has no choice: (1) he is speaking to people who know the Buddha by no other name than Shakyamuni, in their vernacular and (2) he is refuting the competition, which has the vast majority of Buddhists under their evil control with their eternal Buddhas named Amida of Nembutsu, or Mahavairochana of True Word Shingon, or Medicine Master Yakushi of Reiki, or the empty void of Zen, or the gods of Shinto above all the Buddhas. It his use of expedient means, necessary at the time, but with the collateral damage of crazy idolaters like you, worshiping statues of a falsely-deified Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth lke Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. I repeat:
Your crazy religious views are so culty and unexamined as to be laughable.
You are a laughingstock.
-Chas.
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, pp. 260-261:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-217
.. THE VARIOUS BUDDHAS, BODHISATTVAS, AND HEAVENLY AND HUMAN
.. BEINGS DESCRIBED IN THE SUTRAS THAT PRECEDED THE LOTUS MAY
.. SEEM TO HAVE GAINED ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH THE PARTICULAR
.. SUTRAS IN WHICH THEY APPEAR. But in fact they attained
.. enlightenment only through the Lotus Sutra. THE GENERAL VOW
.. TAKEN BY SHAKYAMUNI AND THE OTHER BUDDHAS TO SAVE COUNTLESS
.. LIVING BEINGS FINDS FULFILLMENT THROUGH THE LOTUS SUTRA.
From "The Teaching, Practice, and Proof," WND I, p. 481:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/57#para-26
.. Then, pausing briefly, tell them that the five characters
.. of Myoho-renge-kyo, the heart of the essential teaching of
.. the Lotus Sutra, CONTAIN THE BENEFIT AMASSED THROUGH THE
.. COUNTLESS PRACTICES AND MERITORIOUS DEEDS OF ALL BUDDHAS
.. THROUGHOUT THE THREE EXISTENCES.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-258
.. For the space of a kalpa one may honor and GIVE ALMS TO THE
.. VARIOUS THUS COME ONES WHO ARE AS COUNTLESS AS THE DUST
.. PARTICLES OF THOSE TEN BUDDHA LANDS.
From 'Expedient Means and “Life Span” Chapters,' WND I, p. 70:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/9#para-14
.. If a woman who believes in the Lotus Sutra should ever fall
.. into the evil paths as a result of jealousy or ill temper
.. or because of excessive greed, THEN THE THUS COME ONE
.. SHAKYAMUNI, THE BUDDHA MANY TREASURES, AND THE BUDDHAS OF
.. THE TEN DIRECTIONS WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE GUILTY OF BREAKING
.. THE VOW THEY HAVE UPHELD OVER THE SPAN OF COUNTLESS KALPAS
.. NEVER TO TELL A LIE.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/98#para-26
.. The Venerable Maudgalyāyana put his faith in the Lotus
.. Sutra, which is the greatest good there is, and thus NOT
.. ONLY DID HE HIMSELF ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD, BUT HIS FATHER AND
.. MOTHER DID SO AS WELL. AND, AMAZING AS IT MAY SEEM, ALL THE
.. FATHERS AND MOTHERS OF THE PRECEDING SEVEN GENERATIONS AND
.. THE SEVEN GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOWED, INDEED, OF COUNTLESS
.. LIFETIMES BEFORE AND AFTER, WERE ABLE TO BECOME BUDDHAS. IN
.. ADDITION, ALL THEIR SONS, THEIR WIVES OR HUSBANDS, THEIR
.. RETAINERS, SUPPORTERS, AND COUNTLESS OTHER PERSONS NOT ONLY
.. WERE ENABLED TO ESCAPE FROM THE THREE EVIL PATHS, BUT ALL
.. ATTAINED THE FIRST STAGE OF SECURITY AND THEN BUDDHAHOOD,
.. THE STAGE OF PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
From "On Prayer," WND I, p. 339:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/38#para-24
.. After that, bodhisattvas from this world and from other
.. regions assembled together like gathering clouds or so many
.. stars. AND WHEN THE “TREASURE TOWER” CHAPTER WAS PREACHED,
.. THE BUDDHAS OF THE TEN DIRECTIONS GATHERED ROUND, EACH
.. ACCOMPANIED BY COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF BODHISATTVAS.
Lotus Sutra: chapter 16: "Life Span of the Thus Come One", pp. 271-273:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-29
(1) our true lifespan
... Since I attained buddhahood
... the number of kalpas that have passed
... is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands,
... millions, trillions, asamkhyas.
... Constantly I have preached the Law, teaching, converting
... countless millions of living beings,
... causing them to enter the buddha way,
... all this for immeasurable kalpas.
... In order to save living beings,
... as an expedient means I appear to enter nirvana
... but in truth I do not pass into extinction.
... I am always here, preaching the Law.
... I am always here,
... but through my transcendental powers
... I make it so that living beings in their befuddlement
... do not see me even when close by.
(2) our true appearance
... When the multitude sees that I have passed into extinction,
... far and wide they offer alms to my relics.
... All harbor thoughts of yearning
... and in their minds thirst to gaze at me.
... When living beings have become truly faithful,
... honest and upright, gentle in intent,
... single-mindedly desiring to see the Buddha,
... not hesitating even if it costs them their lives,
... then I and the assembly of monks
... appear together on Holy Eagle Peak.
... At that time I tell the living beings
... that I am always here, never entering extinction,
... but that because of the power of expedient means
... at times I appear to be extinct, at other times not,
... and that if there are living beings in other lands
... who are reverent and sincere in their wish to believe,
... then among them too
... I will preach the unsurpassed Law.
... But you have not heard of this,
... so you suppose that I enter extinction.
... When I look at living beings
... I see them drowned in a sea of suffering;
... therefore I do not show myself,
... causing them to thirst for me.
... Then when their minds are filled with yearning,
... at last I appear and preach the Law for them.
... Such are my transcendental powers.
(3) our eternal home
... For asamkhya kalpas
... constantly I have dwelled on Holy Eagle Peak
... and in various other places.
... When living beings witness the end of a kalpa
... and all is consumed in a great fire,
... this, my land, remains safe and tranquil,
... constantly filled with heavenly and human beings.
... The halls and pavilions in its gardens and groves
... are adorned with various kinds of gems.
... Jeweled trees abound in flowers and fruit
... where living beings enjoy themselves at ease.
... The gods strike heavenly drums,
... constantly making many kinds of music.
... Mandarava blossoms rain down,
... scattering over the Buddha and the great assembly.
... My pure land is not destroyed,
... yet the multitude sees it as consumed in fire,
... with anxiety, fear, and other sufferings
... filling it everywhere.
(4) the included others of our life
... These living beings with their various offenses,
... through causes arising from their evil actions,
... spend asamkhya kalpas
... without hearing the name of the three treasures.
... But those who practice meritorious ways,
... who are gentle, peaceful, honest, and upright,
... all of them will see me
... here in person, preaching the Law.
... At times for this multitude
... I describe the Buddha’s life span as immeasurable,
... and to those who see the Buddha only after a long time
... I explain how difficult it is to meet a buddha.
... Such is the power of my wisdom
... that its sagacious beams shine without measure.
(5) our means and methods
... This life span of countless kalpas
... I gained as the result of lengthy practice.
... You who are possessed of wisdom,
... entertain no doubts on this point!
... Cast them off, end them forever,
... for the Buddha’s words are true, not false.
... He is like a skilled physician
... who uses an expedient means to cure his deranged sons.
... Though in fact alive, he gives out word he is dead,
... yet no one can say he speaks falsely.
... I am the father of this world,
... saving those who suffer and are afflicted.
... Because of the befuddlement of ordinary people,
... though I live, I give out word I have entered extinction.
... For if they see me constantly,
... arrogance and selfishness arise in their minds.
... Abandoning restraint, they give themselves up to the five desires
... and fall into the evil paths of existence.
(6) our determination and vow
... Always I am aware of which living beings
... practice the way, and which do not,
... and in response to their need for salvation
... I preach various doctrines for them.
... At all times I think to myself:
... How can I cause living beings
... to gain entry into the unsurpassed way
... and quickly acquire the body of a buddha?
Why would Shakyamuni tell the stories and extol the glories of such persons if they are all a bunch of liars and identity thieves?
Your crazy religious views are so culty and unexamined as to be laughable.
You are a laughingstock.
What Shakyamuni says only makes honest sense if all of these great Buddhas are really the same as he, with each having all living beings as emanations of their Buddha life, and that shared Buddha life has an "actual name of the entity" as "Myoho-Renge," just as Nichiren says.
In all those places in the Gosho, where Nichiren Daishonin is talking about the eternal Buddha with the name Shakyamuni, he has no choice: (1) he is speaking to people who know the Buddha by no other name than Shakyamuni, in their vernacular and (2) he is refuting the competition, which has the vast majority of Buddhists under their evil control with their eternal Buddhas named Amida of Nembutsu, or Mahavairochana of True Word Shingon, or Medicine Master Yakushi of Reiki, or the empty void of Zen, or the gods of Shinto above all the Buddhas. It his use of expedient means, necessary at the time, but with the collateral damage of crazy idolaters like you, worshiping statues of a falsely-deified Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth lke Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. I repeat:
Your crazy religious views are so culty and unexamined as to be laughable.
You are a laughingstock.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 7, 2018, 9:36:32 AM1/7/18
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Apparently Chas does not know the Origen of his “ common mortal as true Buddha” doctrine -
How could he ? He had no perspective on the Tendai infiltration of his Shoshu lineage - .Chas pnly knows SGI-brand bunk .
Willful ignorance is no laughing matter 😬
~ Katie
How could he ? He had no perspective on the Tendai infiltration of his Shoshu lineage - .Chas pnly knows SGI-brand bunk .
Willful ignorance is no laughing matter 😬
~ Katie
Chas.
Jan 7, 2018, 1:56:57 PM1/7/18
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“Shakyamuni taught that the shallow is easy to embrace, but the profound is difficult. To discard the shallow and seek the profound is the way of a person of courage.”
It is easy to accept that the eternal Buddha is someone outside yourself, gazing up at an enormous statue of Shakyamuni, falsely deified as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
How could anyone accept that little old me is the eternal Buddha, whose "actual name of the entity" is "Myoho-Renge"?
And yet only that acceptance allows the words of the Jiga-ge of the Life Span Chapter, quoted above to be the entire and pure truth coming out of your mouth during Gongyo:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/EdH7dbugZVY/xcssLq5JAwAJ
Only that acceptance allows the words of Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra to be true: where he describes all of those other great Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra complete with the Jiga-ge of the Life Span Chapter to vast multitudes over the ages in different parts of the universe.
In Chapter 1 of the Lotus Sutra:
"buddha named Sun Moon Bright"
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/1#para-274
"Then there was another buddha who was also named Sun Moon Bright, and then another buddha also named Sun Moon Bright. There were twenty thousand buddhas like this, all with the same appellation, all named Sun Moon Bright. And all had the same surname, the surname Bharadvaja."
All of those 20,000 Buddhas with the same name and surname, all of them attaining enlightenment through the Lotus Sutra, all of them preaching the Lotus Sutra to multitudes of followers, all of them reciting the Jiga-ge during the ceremony in the air to their emanations collected from the ten directions and three existences in a single moment of life.
All saying:
Lotus Sutra: 16, "Life Span of the Thus Come One", p. 270-271
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-33
. Since I attained buddhahood
. the number of kalpas that have passed
. is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands,
. millions, trillions, asamkhyas.
. Constantly I have preached the Law, teaching, converting
. countless millions of living beings,
. causing them to enter the buddha way,
. all this for immeasurable kalpas.
. In order to save living beings,
. as an expedient means I appear to enter nirvana
. but in truth I do not pass into extinction.
. I am always here, preaching the Law.
. I am always here,
. but through my transcendental powers
. I make it so that living beings in their befuddlement
. do not see me even when close by.
And for none of those 20,000, or for the countless others saying the same thing, are those words a lie: they are perfectly true!
They are speaking the truth, that Katie Higgins believes is a lie out her mouth, when in fact, it is not a lie for her, either!
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Jan 7, 2018, 9:29:03 PM1/7/18
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Take note, Dave-- disregard of the Buddha's teachings is SLANDER--
Dave and Chas' arbitrary accusations of slander towards those of us who embrace and uphold the Buddha's words IS slander, by definition.
Notice the wrong-headedness of slanderers!! It is just as the Buddha predicted.
~Katie
Chas.
Jan 8, 2018, 2:25:36 PM1/8/18
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 6:29:03 PM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
[snip]
>
> Take note, Dave-- disregard of the Buddha's teachings is SLANDER--
>
> Dave and Chas' arbitrary accusations of slander towards those of us who embrace and uphold the Buddha's words IS slander, by definition.
>
> Notice the wrong-headedness of slanderers!! It is just as the Buddha predicted.
>
> ~Katie
Note that Katie Higgins says this in blatant disregard of the Buddha's MOST IMPORTANT WORDS in the Jiga-ge, the heart of the Life Span (Juryo) chapter of the Lotus Sutra:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/EdH7dbugZVY/0qLmp9OVAwAJ
She denies the heart of the Lotus Sutra while accusing others of slandering that same Sutra.
Crazy. CRAZY!
-Chas.
[snip]
>
> Take note, Dave-- disregard of the Buddha's teachings is SLANDER--
>
> Dave and Chas' arbitrary accusations of slander towards those of us who embrace and uphold the Buddha's words IS slander, by definition.
>
> Notice the wrong-headedness of slanderers!! It is just as the Buddha predicted.
>
> ~Katie
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/EdH7dbugZVY/0qLmp9OVAwAJ
She denies the heart of the Lotus Sutra while accusing others of slandering that same Sutra.
Crazy. CRAZY!
-Chas.
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