ON FACEBOOK----
SCOTT R. KAISER SAID:
This is just some more information from Carlos Quiroga, member of DRE who also knew Oswald. He informed me that he did infiltrate Oswald's FPCC. We had a nice conversation over the phone some time ago. He tried to inform the government that Oswald is innocent of shooting President Kennedy. But do you think the government wanted to listen?
Also, according to Quiroga, he said he had written several letters to the WC asking them if he could testify on the information he was aware of. Guess what? No one at the WC requested for his testimony, knowing full well of what Mr. Quiroga knew. Now, with Mr. Quiroga's permission, I plan on getting his testimony out very shortly.
Thanks for reading my information.
DAVID R. VON PEIN SAID:
I wonder how anything Carlos Quiroga says could manage to erase all that evidence up on the sixth floor of the Book Depository? And how can Quiroga wipe away Oswald's own incriminating actions and lies? Any ideas?
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
You mean all the evidence that the DPD planted there? Yeah, okay, I guess you don't know Carlos. .... Why don't we go head to head. I don't use that research stuff, and I'm no researcher, so what do you say? I'll use what I have and you can talk about Oswald's gun and all that crap, okay?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You wouldn't stand a chance against the evidence, Scott. Better stick with good ol' Carlos. After all, Carlos KNOWS exactly what happened, right? And Carlos KNOWS that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy, right? (No wonder the HSCA didn't want to interview him.)
And it's good to know that you think ALL of the evidence against Oswald was "planted" by the DPD. But I wonder how the DPD got the FBI and Secret Service to JOIN IN the planting festival against that sap named Oswald? Any idea?
Because the DPD didn't initially handle CE399 or the two front-seat bullet fragments--which ALL came from Oswald's rifle. I guess the DPD just got lucky when the OTHER agencies decided they wanted to frame Oswald too, huh?
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
What evidence?
I'll leave it up to you--any place and time. But if you want to find a way out now, just say so. I won't hold it against you, nor will your fans, so don't worry.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Just keep ignoring the evidence, Scott. It's what all good conspiracy quacks do. Why should you break the tradition?
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
Come on, Dave, give me a break! I'll accept that as a no. No hard feelings, man.
BTW, I don't know how many times I have to tell you...I'M NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST...UGH!!!!!
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
So, Scott, you think there WASN'T a conspiracy then?
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
No, what I'm saying is that Oswald was not the shooter. In order to believe a conspiracy, one has to seek the truth out of that conspiracy. A conspiracy is a plot generated by two or more people. I do believe in conspiracies. I'm just not a conspiracy theorist. There is a difference there, Dave. Believe it or not.
Take my father for example. He was a part of many conspiracies to assassinate Fidel Castro. The fact that Castro is not dead is a reason why many of the conspiracies did not work. That's the truth, and the fact that Castro is still alive proves it.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Scott, if you think Oswald was NOT the shooter, you therefore DO believe in a conspiracy in the JFK case. You surely can't argue with that statement, can you?
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
Allow me to clarify myself, so that even a second-grader can understand what I'm saying. This is as clear as it gets -- I do believe in conspiracies. However, I am NOT a Conspiracy Theorist. Those are two very different nouns and pronouns.
I'm what you call more of a verb kind of guy, and since I like action, I'm a truth seeker. A person who seeks the truth out of a conspiracy. Do you understand me now?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Okay, Scott. Whatever. Do you think Oswald shot Tippit? (Just curious.)
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
No way, no how, unless he is the fastest man in the world and he got from point A to point B in the time the WC says he did, there is absolutely no way.
Then the fact that there were bullets that could not be found, then the fact that bullets didn't match his gun. But we're not talking about Tippit, or are we? I thought we were talking about the president. Let's stick with one topic before we jump to the next. You asked if I believed if Oswald was the shooter. The shooter of who--the president or Tippit? Please clarify.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
20 minutes ago, when you said "Oswald was not the shooter", I assumed you were talking about the JFK murder. So I then asked about Tippit separately.
And Oswald's guilt in the Tippit murder couldn't be any clearer. You seem to have fallen for every CT myth in the book--including the one about Oswald not being able to get there in time to shoot Tippit, which is just flat wrong.
Plus, what do you do with all the "Oswald Was There With A Gun" witnesses---like Callaway, Scoggins, Davis, etc.?
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
You're better off joining me rather than providing information that is only provided by the DPD or the WC. You are better off joining me, and then I will provide you with all my material that is opposite of the DPD and the WC. Come into the light, and the truth shall set you free.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You want me to join you in IGNORING all of the evidence? Come now my good man. Don't be absurd.
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
David, that is what I'm trying to save you from. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is no evidence. There is no evidence. There is no evidence. Other than the fact that Oswald could NOT have killed the president.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Scott, now you're just being silly. You think you can sweep away the guns (counting the Tippit murder weapon, which was ON OSWALD'S PERSON when he was arrested), the bullets, the shells, the prints, LHO's actions and lies? You think you can just magically make all of that stuff vanish with a wave of your hand and a triple exclamation of "There is no evidence"?? It's not that easy Scott. And it's difficult to believe you could be so gullible. (Even with a guy named "Carlos" in your hip pocket.)
RAY CALABRESE SAID:
David...I don't know how you can continue to try to reason with these people. You have more patience than I could even dream of.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Well, Ray, it's a slow day here at Langley. (What with the Government shutdown and all.) I guess I just got bored.
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
And just so you know, LBJ didn't believe the WC.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
LBJ told Walter Cronkite he had some doubts about the WC's conclusions, yes. But I always like to use those doubts in MY favor -- because many people think Johnson was BEHIND the assassination. So would he go on TV and say he thought there WAS a conspiracy?
Or do the "LBJ Did It" theorists think that Johnson said that just as a ruse? (No need to answer if you're not in the "LBJ Did It" fraternity.)
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
Here, you may want to do some further reading on Oswald and his guns. Enjoy! Get back to me after you fully understand what you've read...
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20%20Files/Warren%20Commission-Subject/Oswald/Oswald,%20Paraffin%20Tests.pdf
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oh good Lord. Scott's bringing up the paraffin tests. As if Oswald testing negative on his cheek positively means he didn't shoot Kennedy. ~sigh~
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
Don't you just love how the DPD goes back and forth on Oswald. Why? Because the WC had to establish that Oswald was the only shooter [of] both the President and Tippit.
They had to establish Oswald acted alone. Why? To avoid a conflict with Russia. Cuba was no threat, but the anti-Castro were. You above all people should know that.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
What "back and forth" do you mean, Scott? We all know a paraffin test is pretty much useless. So you've got no choice but to toss that aside (or, at the very least, look at the test results in a skeptical manner--regardless of WHAT they show).
And the DPD had no doubt that Oswald was a double-murderer long BEFORE the Warren Commission was ever created---six days before to be exact. Jesse Curry stated on live TV on 11/23 -- "I think this is that man that killed the President."
And why do you think Curry said that if there was no evidence against LHO as you say there isn't?
http://dvp-video-audio-archive.blogspot.com/2012/03/interviews-with-jesse-curry.html
RAY CALABRESE SAID:
I'm gonna chime in for a second, then leave the debate to you guys. I won't say I have all the answers, or that there definitely was no one involved except for Oswald, but saying Oswald wasn't firing from the Book Depository or that he didn't kill Tippit is just turning a blind eye to reality.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
What Ray said.
I truly think Scott Kaiser might benefit from my websites on the JFK case. I'm not saying that EVERY last thing is included on my sites, but a lot of info and facts are included. And I didn't just MAKE UP the source material I often cite. Just like the WARREN COMMISSION didn't just MAKE UP any of the evidence against Oswald.
Many people seem to want to link the EVIDENCE to the WARREN COMMISSION, which is just dumb. The WC boys didn't collect ANY of that physical evidence that hangs Oswald. They merely evaluated it.
http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
DVP has been posting his debate with Jim DiEugenio, but for some weird reason I can't get him to go head to head with me.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
We could save a lot of "debating", Scott, by just simply saying this --- DVP thinks all the evidence in the JFK & Tippit cases is legitimate....while Scott R. Kaiser thinks it's all been faked and planted. [End of debate.]
Of course, to be fair to Scott K., my above debate shortcut could also just as easily apply to almost every Internet conspiracist in the world--including James DiEugenio. Because he, too, thinks all the evidence is phony. And I've gone 92 rounds with him.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/dvp-vs-dieugenio-complete-series.html
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
Please do not confuse me with DiEugenio. I have not said any of the material you, the WC or the DPD provides is phoney. And you may quote me on that. I do however want my fair debate as to whether or not Oswald was in fact the lone assassin you claim him to be. That's all. Please do not provide me with quotes such as, "You and every other conspiracy theorist do not have all the evidence" or "I'll just keep ignoring your evidence Scott" or "The DPD didn't initially handle CE399 or the two front-seat bullet fragments--which ALL came from Oswald's rifle". Or my personal favorite, "You wouldn't stand a chance against the evidence".
Just let me know if you are up to the challenge. If so, I would like to introduce a few rules, if you don't mind, and if that's okay with you.
Okay, your turn.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Eight hours ago, Scott R. Kaiser said this to me --- "You mean all the evidence that the DPD planted there?"
And now, 8 hours later, Scott said this --- "I have not said any of the material you, the WC or the DPD provides is phoney."
Scott doesn't even seem to know what he was advocating just eight hours ago--that the DPD planted a bunch of evidence. Given the above contradictory quotes, I fear that a debate with Scott Kaiser might be akin to a debate against a chameleon.
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
DVP, I'm not into he said, she said, or the past. I'm into here and the now. You are either up to my request for a challenge or you are not. Stop with the excuses, it's getting old. People are starting to yawn. Your answer should be easy. I couldn't make it any simpler for you. It's a yes or no answer. That's it, nothing else. All this alibiing and extended crap is just that--crap. And frankly, I'm starting to get tired myself.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
What people are yawning? It's you, me, and maybe Ray and Ed Cage that are reading these posts. Nobody else cares. And you don't even know what YOU yourself believe (evidently).
My answer: No thanks.
I'm not interested in debating someone who apparently is more than willing to change his stripes every 8 hours (as I proved you did today regarding the DPD).
And if you're "starting to get tired" of my presenting evidence after just a few hours, God help you after I present ALL of the evidence to show Oswald was a double-killer.
Good night. You look worn out.
SCOTT KAISER SAID:
That's okay David, a simple yes or no answer would have been [enough], without all the added alibiing.
Thank you. I still respect you and your work. I know you have put a lot of time, money and effort into it. And don't worry, I will challenge any person who is a lone assassin believer under certain rules, of course. I do also appreciate you taking your time to discuss a possible debate with me. You're a good man, DVP.