On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 11:36:47 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 7:42:19 AM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > (13) During interrogation, Oswald put himself on the sixth floor at the time of the assassination.
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> > It falls upon me to include the supportive material that Ben is deceitfully leaving out...
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> > 13. Although in his interrogation on Friday afternoon, November 22, Oswald said he was having lunch on the first floor of the Book Depository Building at the time of the assassination,35 during Sunday’s interrogation Oswald slipped up and placed himself on the sixth floor at the time of the assassination, making him the only employee of the Book Depository Building who placed himself on the sixth floor, or was placed there by anyone else, at the time we know an assassin shot Kennedy from the sixth floor. In his Sunday-morning interrogation he said that at lunchtime, one of the “Negro” employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he declined, saying, “You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes.” He said before he could finish whatever he was doing, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he “went downstairs,” a policeman questioned him as to his identification, and his boss stated that he was one of their employees.36 The latter confrontation, of course, refers to Officer Marrion Baker, in Roy Truly’s presence, talking to Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom within two minutes after the shooting. Where was Oswald at the time the Negro employee invited him to lunch, and before he descended to the second-floor lunchroom? The sixth floor. Charles Givens testified that around 11:55 a.m., he went up to the sixth floor to get his jacket with cigarettes in it and saw Oswald on the sixth floor. He said to Oswald, “Boy, are you going downstairs…it’s near lunchtime.” He said Oswald answered, “No, sir. When you get downstairs, close the gate to the elevator.”37 There is another very powerful reason why we can know that Oswald, at the time of his confrontation with Baker in the second-floor lunchroom, had just come down from the sixth floor, not up from the first floor, as he claimed. It is an accepted part of conspiracy dogma to believe what Oswald told Fritz during his interrogation—that he had been eating lunch in the lunchroom on the first floor at the time of the shooting and had walked up to the second floor to get a Coke from the Coke machine just before Baker called out to him.38 Assassination literature abounds with references to “the Coca-Cola machine in the second floor lunchroom.” And indeed there was a Coca-Cola machine in the subject room.39 But to my knowledge, there is no direct reference in the assassination literature to a second soft drink machine in the Book Depository Building, and in a phone call to Gary Mack, the curator at the Sixth Floor Museum in the building, he told me he was “unaware” of any other soft drink machine in the building at the time of the assassination.40 What prompted my call to him was not the frequent references in the literature to the Dr. Pepper bottle found on the sixth floor after the shooting,41 since some soft drink machines contain a variety of drinks, but a reference in stock boy Bonnie Ray William’s testimony before the Warren Commission to his getting “a small bottle of Dr. Pepper from the Dr. Pepper machine,”42 and stock boy Wesley Frazier’s testimony that “I have seen him [Oswald] go to the Dr. Pepper machine by the refrigerator and get a Dr. Pepper.”43 Neither Williams nor Frazier expressly said what floor this machine was on, and I was aware, from a photo,44 that there was a refrigerator next to the Coca-Cola machine on the second floor. Through a few phone calls I was able to reach Wesley Frazier, whom I hadn’t talked to since 1986, when he testified for me at the London trial. Still living in Dallas, he told me that “there was a Dr. Pepper machine on the first floor.” Where, specifically, was it? “It was located by the double freight elevator near the back of the building.” Was there a refrigerator nearby? I asked. “Oh, yes, right next to it.” (And indeed, I subsequently found proof of the existence of the machine, with the words “Dr. Pepper” near the top front of it, in an FBI photo taken for the Warren Commission of the northwest corner of the first floor, and it is located right next to the refrigerator.)45 Frazier said that “almost all the guys would get their drinks for lunch from this Dr. Pepper machine. It mostly had Dr. Pepper, but also other drinks like orange and root beer.” I asked him, “What about the Coca-Cola machine in the second-floor lunchroom? Did it have other drinks too?” He said it “only had Coca-Cola in it” and “the only time anybody would go to that machine is if they wanted a Coke, which I did from time to time.” When I asked him whether or not “it was rare” for the workers to go to the second floor to get a Coke, he said, “Yes. We had our own machine on the first floor, where we ate our lunch. It was more convenient to use the machine on the first floor.” Frazier said he could not say whether Oswald ever went to the second floor to get a Coke or ever drank soft drinks other than Dr. Pepper, but “I only recall seeing him with a Dr. Pepper.”46 Author Jim Bishop, in his book The Day Kennedy Was Shot, writes (without a citation, however) that Oswald “invariably drank Dr. Pepper.”47 And we know that Marina told her biographer, Priscilla McMillan, that when he was working at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall in Dallas in 1963, “after supper” he would walk down the street as he often did “to buy a newspaper and a bottle of Dr. Pepper.”48 So we see that apart from all the conclusive evidence that Oswald shot Kennedy from the sniper’s nest, and therefore had to have descended from there to the second floor, his story about going up to the second floor to get a Coke doesn’t even make sense. Why go up to the second floor to get a drink for your lunch when there’s a soft drink machine on the first floor, the floor you say you are already on, particularly when the apparent drink of your choice is on this first floor, not the second floor?
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> > > This is a rather outrageous untruth that Bugliosi is making here.
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> > You didn`t include the content that he used to support it. Pretty dishonest of you, Ben.
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> An assertion isn't evidence.
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> Cite... CITE - the actual evidence that shows that Oswald "slipped up" and place HIMSELF on the 6th floor AT THE TIME OF THE ASSASSINATION.
Refute... REFUTE - Bugliosi`s claim that Oswald "slipped up".
This is what you set out to do and this is what you are failing at.
> You won't be able to do it, no such evidence exists.
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> Bugliosi simply lied.
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> David Von Molester knows this - this is why he remains silent.
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> > > It's true that Oswald was possibly one of the last to leave the 6th floor, sometime around 12 noon, where he was working that day - but he was seen by others, such as Arnold, on the first or second floor after 12 noon.
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> > In what meaningful way can you establish that those encounters did not occur previous to Oswald being on the upper floors when the flooring crew broke for lunch?
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> You *do* know how to tell time, right?
I know an established time from an unestablished time. Do you?
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> > > It's important to note that the Internet's foremost expert on "Reclaiming History" absolutely refuses to respond to this series refuting Bugliosi.
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> > > And "Bud" doesn't know the evidence well enough.
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> > I know it well enough to catch most of your lies. I admit I might not catch all of them.
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> You haven't caught me in *any* lie.
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> You see, all you have to do is QUOTE MY WORDS - then cite the evidence that I'm contradicting.
I`ve done that more than once. It dosen`t stop you from denying you`ve lied.
> But you haven't ever done that, nor will you ever be able to.
Not to your satisfaction. You don`t recognize your own lies as such. Thats where I come in, I can.
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> > > Those facts tell the tale, don't they?
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> > The fact is that you have failed to refute Bugliosi once more.
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> You're lying again, "Bud."
See? I`ve produce the definition of the word "refute" and have shown why what you claim to be refutations fall short. This doesn`t stop you from lying about it.