Debating The John F. Kennedy Assassination (Part 50)
David Von Pein
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SUBJECT -- The JFK Assassination: The Ongoing "Lone Assassin vs.
Conspiracy" Debate.
FEATURED TEXT -- Archived JFK Forum Messages From April 2006, May
2006, and February 2007.
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CTer (A CONSPIRACY THEORIST) -- All riflemen opened up {at} roughly
the same time BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN JFK WAS IN THE SPOT THEY DECIDED TO
MURDER HIM. It would have been rather silly for the men to decide to
shoot at 12:25 - the time he was SUPPOSED to have been there, wouldn't
it?
DVP (DAVID VON PEIN) -- Here's a beautiful "WTF??" moment. And a
pretty nice "LOL" one at that. That theorist actually seems to not
understand what I meant by the killers shooting "at the exact same
time" within the context of a "1-Patsy" plot while utilizing many
guns. But maybe it'll come to him next month some time.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/606503e4d63e74ad
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dd321914097fcd2d
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CTer -- You don't have a single clue to what the conspirators were
thinking, nor can you even name them.
DVP -- An interesting and quite curious comment coming from someone
who DOES seem to know what those conspirators were thinking (and
doing, and shooting, and plotting, and covering up, etc.).
Pot....meet Mr. Kettle.
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CTer -- The unidentified fingerprint in the SN doesn't disturb you in
the least.
DVP -- Did anyone else (whose prints those might have been) also leave
their own gun on the 6th Floor, plus prints on a paper bag in the
Sniper's Nest, plus three shells matching his gun in the Nest too?
Didn't think so.
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CTer -- Witnesses saw LHO on the 1st and 2nd floor after 11:50.
DVP -- Cite one person other than Carolyn Arnold who made such a claim
please. And since Lee Oswald had no alibi at all for 12:30, how does
this argument make Oswald an innocent "patsy"? The assassination
occurred at 12:30....not at 11:55 or 12:15.
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CTer -- Witnesses testified that LHO was wearing different clothes.
DVP -- Per some conspiracists, Lee Harvey Oswald shouldn't be
suspected of murdering President Kennedy because of the conflicting
clothing descriptions provided by some of the witnesses.
Never mind all of that other stuff that says Oswald's guilty of murder
(HIS gun, HIS shells, HIS fingerprints, positive I.D. from witnesses
via non-clothing features, Oswald's own hinky actions, and his obvious
guilt in J.D. Tippit's murder too).
I guess certain CTers think that all of that stuff should definitely
be trumped by the clothing discrepancies. Go figure that kind of
logic.
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CTer -- Davey-boy is free to explain why Parkland felt the need to
insert chest tubes if no damage ever occurred in the chest.
DVP -- Nothing mysterious there.....
Dr. Malcolm Perry said: "I asked someone to put in a chest tube to
allow sealed drainage of any blood or air which might be accumulated
in the right hemothorax".
But at the autopsy, it was concluded there was no significant damage
to the chest or lungs (except for a slight bruising of the pleura
cavity, which was NOT punctured or violated by any missile).
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/perry_m1.htm
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CTer -- It was burned in a fireplace...remember?
DVP -- And please explain the logic of Dr. Humes ADMITTING to burning
ANY documents if he were on a "cover-up mission" re. JFK's
assassination?
In other words, why would Humes say ANYTHING about burning up evidence
in his fireplace when he had no reason to do so within a strictly
"cover-up" mindset?
Dr. Humes has been boiled in hot CT oil for merely TELLING THE TRUTH
about the "fireplace burning", and for actually using some ordinary
common sense when attempting to figure out how JFK was killed.
And Humes has also been strung up by conspiracy-crazed morons for
merely placing into the official record THE ONLY CORRECT AND VALID
AUTOPSY REPORT (post-Perry conversation).
Go figure that.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/deed6f4807c9e2cb
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CTer -- "SBT" means "Single Bullet THEORY". It's never been anything
better than a theory, and one that has both ballistics experts and
medical doctors who disagree with it.
DVP -- And the SBT is also a theory that has many ballistics experts,
doctors, animators, and investigators agreeing with its conclusions.
Shy of a reasonable, believable, based-on-the-evidence-in-the-case
alternate CT theory to replace it....the SBT is still (by far) the
best explanation of the double-man wounding that took place on Elm
Street in Dallas.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bb22792c022c5a2e
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CTer -- Every {SBT} "test" has failed....beginning with the bullets
fired into a cadaver's wrist by the WC, and moving up to the recent
test done in Australia.
DVP -- All together now .... Bull--Shit!!
If you think the Australian 2004 re-creation test "failed" to show the
viability (or at the very least, the "possibility") of the Single-
Bullet Theory, you're as goofy as The Comic Book Guy.
That re-creation verified virtually every aspect of the SBT's
potential "doability"; and anybody outside of CT Kooksville USA could
easily see that was so.
And Dale Myers' SBT work only further cements the Single-Bullet Theory
as closer to "factual" than "theory"....and anybody with one eye who
isn't buried a mile deep in books written by Marrs/Groden/Garrison/
Mellen/Livingstone/and Fetzer could easily see that fact as well.
Apparently, your stack of Fetzer, Marrs, and Garrison tomes is too
tall to see around.
http://jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/intro.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egvc3TYQ9po
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CTer -- The SBT wounds don't align.
DVP -- The wounds align just fine for the Single-Bullet Theory to
work. ....
http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/Autopsy_photos/zeroang.jpg
That bullet came out of JFK's throat (just as the autopsy doctors
determined it MUST have and just as anyone with a brain and some
common sense would have determined it must have) and continued into
Governor Connally, which is the ONLY place the bullet could have gone,
and is the ONLY possible place, given the evidence, that anyone with a
brain could have determined that the bullet went.
To believe otherwise is to believe in CT nonsense of the first order.
Nonsense which CTers seem to enjoy wallowing in daily. Because the
odds of 3 gunmen being able to spray 2 victims with 3 bullets in an
even remotely-acceptable "SBT" pattern are so low as to be deemed
virtually nil.
But, by all means, continue to believe that three gunmen peppered two
victims just perfectly and simultaneously to make the SBT even
remotely feasible. And then continue to believe that all three of
those bullets (or even FOUR if you want to say Connally was hit twice,
as many CTers do, for some reason) just got themselves conveniently
misplaced or were seen by ONLY the pre-arranged Patsy Plotters.
And then remember to hang up your stocking on December 24th too.
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CTer -- And where is the book review {for Mark Fuhrman's JFK book},
David? This treatise is simply a repetition of your well-known
opinion, and ignores the substantive arguments associated with each of
Fuhrman's points.
DVP -- I guess 3,500 words of rebutting and debunking Mr. Fuhrman's
anti-SBT theory just isn't comprehensive enough for some people. .....
And since I fully agree 100% with the REMAINDER of Fuhrman's
hypothesis (i.e., LHO was the lone killer; 3 total shots fired; no
Patsy plan; all shots came from the SN, etc.), there's really no good
reason to dive into those points.
If you want to believe that a bullet travelling at a 24-degree
downward angle can hit nothing (or a make-believe "bone" that was
never damaged inside JFK's body) and then suddenly take off in an
upward fashion as it leaves JFK's neck -- well, by all
means...fantasize along with Mark Fuhrman. Have a ball.
But in so doing, it'd be nice if you had at least some type of
reasonable and common-sense explanations for my 8 points in my review
for Fuhrman's book. I've yet to hear any such reasonable retorts to
date.
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CTer -- The CTers' theory explains the frame-up being performed on
Oswald PRIOR to the assassination (the car lot, the rifle range, the
scope being mounted...).
DVP -- And don't forget those backyard photos as well. Heavens to
Betsy, how could any self-respecting CT-Kook forget those?!!
And since you think LHO was being framed PRIOR to the assassination,
perhaps you can tell us about the brilliant logic of the patsy-framers
using multiple guns to kill JFK on November 22?
These crackerjack conspirators supposedly were performing all kinds of
detailed Oswald-implicating pre-assassination activities....and then
on the big day, they shoot their prey with one or more guns that
couldn't possibly ever lead back to JUST Lee Harvey Oswald.
Talk about throwing caution to the winds!
But apparently the "Real Killers" couldn't have cared less about
throwing that caution to the winds as they sprayed the President with
bullets from directions (and guns) that they had to know wouldn't ever
be connected to their single "Patsy" named Oswald.
Oh well! The evil Government was bound to want to frame that VERY SAME
PATSY...right? So why worry about such trivial and unimportant details
-- details like a Grassy Knoll gunman taking out JFK even though only
the patsy is supposed to be firing from the Book Depository Building.
Heck, after all, if Oliver Stone says such a stupid plot was afoot in
Dealey Plaza, then it MUST be true. Right?
~wink~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9bce073792dae800
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AN AUXILIARY (AND FUN) KOOK-BASHING SESSION:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e089ee8b738cad76
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"DVP -- And the SBT is also a theory that has many ballistics
experts,
doctors, animators, and investigators agreeing with its conclusions.
Shy of a reasonable, believable, based-on-the-evidence-in-the-case
alternate CT theory to replace it....the SBT is still (by far) the
best explanation of the double-man wounding that took place on Elm
Street in Dallas."
DVP:
"CTer -- And where is the book review {for Mark Fuhrman's JFK book},
David? This treatise is simply a repetition of your well-known
opinion, and ignores the substantive arguments associated with each of
Fuhrman's points.
DVP -- I guess 3,500 words of rebutting and debunking Mr. Fuhrman's
anti-SBT theory just isn't comprehensive enough for some people. .....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/discussions/start-thread.ht...
Well said David..
Good points all.
MR ;~D
1025Mar1707
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> CTer -- And where is the book review {for Mark Fuhrman's JFK book},
> David? This treatise is simply a repetition of your well-known
> opinion, and ignores the substantive arguments associated with each of
> Fuhrman's points.
>
> DVP -- I guess 3,500 words of rebutting and debunking Mr. Fuhrman's
> anti-SBT theory just isn't comprehensive enough for some people. .....
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/discussions/start-thread.ht...
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/discussions/start-thread.ht...