JFK Assassination Forum Archives -- Misc. Topics Of Interest (Part 206)

[David Von Pein]

ARCHIVED JFK ASSASSINATION FORUM POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 206):

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THE HOLE IN PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S BACK:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20190&page=5#entry273950
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20190&page=6#entry273995
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20190&page=6#entry273996
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20190&page=6#entry273999


JFK'S HEAD WOUNDS:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8400.msg244330.html#msg244330
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8400.msg244456.html#msg244456
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8400.msg244544.html#msg244544


JOHN CONNALLY AND THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244584.html#msg244584
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244587.html#msg244587
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244600.html#msg244600
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244607.html#msg244607
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244639.html#msg244639
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244645.html#msg244645
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244661.html#msg244661
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244718.html#msg244718
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244719.html#msg244719
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244730.html#msg244730
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8420.msg244731.html#msg244731



MORE POSTS:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8400.msg244289.html#msg244289
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8413.msg244664.html#msg244664




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[aeffects]

On May 21, 1:59 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

the great JFK assassination spam-ster David Von Pein strikes again....

<snip the nonsense> carry on troll!

[Sam McClung]

are there any studies yet on the long-term effects of internet trolling,
besides the living model a.a.j?

[David Von Pein]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/6bf5f22d19b480a8/d65f7a31036df585?#d65f7a31036df585

RALPH CINQUE SAID:

Von Pein, did you read what I wrote about the contrast between how
Ball questioned Arce and how he questioned Lovelady?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

No, Cinque, I sure didn't. I couldn't care less what you have to say
(about anything). I rarely glance at anything you write anymore since
I demolished your Doorway Man idiocy in October of 2012.

But there is no question that Arce, Frazier, and Lovelady were all
IDing the EXACT SAME PERSON ("Doorway Man") as Lovelady when they
looked at CE369 during their individual WC sessions. Only an outright
crackpot could possibly believe otherwise.

Anyway, no further discussion is really necessary, because the post
below will always be around for me to link to whenever I feel like
embarrassing your pathetic and sorry-ass attempts to exonerate a
Presidential assassin named Oswald:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/10/doorway-man-part-2.html


And btw, Cinque, there's yet another place where the film showing
Oswald passing by Lovelady in the DPD pops up (besides just the "Four
Days In November" movie and the 1964 WFAA-TV documentary "A Year Ago
Today").

That third location is in the WFAA-TV live television coverage of
11/22/63 itself. So now you can claim a THIRD "version" of this very
same footage has somehow been "faked" to add the image of Lovelady
into it.

Poor Ralphie. Just when he thought he could rest easier, now he's got
to put on his "It Was Faked" hat yet again and try to get everybody to
believe that WFAA-TV faked this DPD footage ON THE DAY OF THE
ASSASSINATION ITSELF. You'll have to be fast with the pause button to
see Lovelady in this video below, but Lovelady is clearly visible if
you pause fast enough. Good luck in trying to prove this piece of
film, aired within hours of the assassination, is also fake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32gReucRRE&t=448s

[David Von Pein]

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RALPH CINQUE SAID:

And regarding that other version of the WFAA film, why is it so
different from the other? You mentioned yourself that you have to hit
the pause button if you are to catch him at all. The walk-by clip in A
YEAR AGO TODAY was 13 seconds long! So, you mean to say that on the
very day of the assassination, they had the time and the wherewithal
to be editing that clip of Lovelady? Why would they do that?

And just because they are claiming NOW that that's what was shown on
11/22/63, there is no reason to believe it. I've already shown you
that the film was EDITED, and you certainly can't deny it. So, if they
were editing on 11/22/63, they certainly could have edited since then,
including yesterday. It proves nothing, Von Pein. It adds just another
version to a lot that already consists of 5 or 6 others. All of that
effort, and for what? To show a plaid shirt. Too bad the real Lovelady
didn't know anything about it.

Ball: Did you EVER see Lovelady again that day?
Lovelady: No.

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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Cinque thinks that just because WFAA stopped short of showing ALL of
the DPD film on 11/22, this means the film that was briefly shown on
the afternoon of 11/22/63 on WFAA is yet another "version" of the film
and has been "edited" yet again. This is the way a crackpot thinks.

It's funny, too, because Cinque now seems to be implying that WFAA was
deliberately "editing that clip of Lovelady" on 11/22 (although Billy
IS still quite visible in the clip for a couple of seconds).

IOW -- WFAA wanted to REMOVE some of the footage of Lovelady on 11/22,
even though Cinque's whole theory on this "DPD film" subject is that
the plotters wanted to ADD IN the fake image of Lovelady sitting at a
desk while wearing a particular shirt.

So which is it, Cinque -- did WFAA edit the film to REMOVE Lovelady?
Or to ADD IN Lovelady?

Let's watch Ralphie fly by the seat of his pants yet again, as he
tries to think up a reason for anyone wanting to do BOTH of those
things--remove Billy Lovelady AND add him into the film at the same
time.

Also:

Cinque is evidently not capable of properly evaluating (via common
sense) Billy Lovelady's WC testimony when Billy was asked "Did you
ever see him [Oswald] again that day?" -- with Lovelady then answering
"No".

The context of the question was fairly clear (especially given Ball's
previous question to Lovelady) -- Joseph Ball wanted to know if
Lovelady had seen Lee Oswald at any time again IN OR NEAR THE
DEPOSITORY BUILDING (i.e., the scene of the assassination).

Cinque, of course, can't figure this easy stuff out. A third-grader
could figure out what Joe Ball meant by his question to Billy
Lovelady, but Dr. Cinque can't.

In addition, Cinque is also apparently not capable of figuring out
that Lovelady's arrow in CE369 has to be pointing to the same person
in the Altgens picture that Wes Frazier's arrow is pointing to. We
know this to be a fact because of these words spoken by Joe Ball --
"And one in the white pointing toward you."

Cinque, however, needs to be talked through this stuff like a
kindergartner. But since the arrow drawn by Frazier (the one "in the
white") is "pointing toward you [Billy Lovelady]", then it obviously
means that the figure commonly known as "Doorway Man" IS Billy Nolan
Lovelady. The word "YOU" being the key word that Cinque tries to
ignore.

So, Ralph, do you think that Lovelady was acknowledging in his WC
session that he was in TWO different places at the same time in the
CE369 photo? I guess you must think that Lovelady was saying that very
thing, because you seem to think that Billy drew an arrow to someone
OTHER than Doorway Man, even though Lovelady HEARS Ball say "pointing
toward you" when referring to the arrow that is "in the white".

Hint for Ralph -- there can be only ONE "you" [i.e., Lovelady] in
CE369. And it couldn't be more obvious who the "you" is in the Altgens
photograph.

[David Von Pein]

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RALPH CINQUE SAID:

This is just more blatantly obvious deception. Why the discrepancy,
David? Why does he look so different from one film to the next?


DAVID VON PEIN (TEACHING KINDERGARTEN CLASS ONCE AGAIN) SAYS:

Good God! Is it possible for Cinque to be this dense (and silly)?

The film only looks different because of the quality of the
presentation. The "3 Shots That Changed America" (2009) version of the
Butt/WFAA DPD news film is of better quality simply because The
History Channel had the film enhanced and restored to near-perfect
condition before airing it in '09.

The WFAA version on my YouTube channel is of lower quality because it
was taken from WFAA tapes that were not restored and cleaned-up.

Isn't this obvious to everyone (except Cinque)?

Geesh. And Double-Geesh!!

Just how far down "Crazy Street" is Ralph Cinque willing to travel? Or
does that street ever end?

[aeffects]

On May 28, 6:25 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
...

<snip the Von Pein lunacy>

me thinks you whineth too much, troll!

[aeffects]

On May 23, 8:11 am, "Sam McClung" <mccl...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> are there any studies yet on the long-term effects of internet trolling,
> besides the living model a.a.j?

rumor has it, dementia and excessive lone nut pud pulling!

[David Von Pein]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/b8aed51db2e14bdd


Just when you thought Ralph Cinque couldn't make a bigger fool out of
himself, he goes and does it anyway.

Ralph thinks the whole "Lovelady/Oswald" DPD clip is "completely gone"
from my video that he linked above of the "Year Ago Today" program.
But, of course, Ralph is delusional--because the whole thing is there.
From the moment Oswald walks into the outer door of the Homicide &
Robbery office, until the time the clip ends, is about 11 seconds
long. Every bit of the Lovelady footage is there. And yet Cinque wants
WFAA to think it's "completely gone" from that linked video. What a
clown.

Here's the whole clip, starting at the beginning of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Qtj7vSJVI&#t=2341s

[Jason Burke]

On 5/29/2013 2:54 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> Just when you thought Ralph Cinque couldn't make a bigger fool out of
> himself, he goes and does it anyway.
>
> Ralph thinks the whole "Lovelady/Oswald" DPD clip is "completely gone"
> from my video that he linked above of the "Year Ago Today" program.
> But, of course, Ralph is delusional--because the whole thing is there.
> From the moment Oswald walks into the outer door of the Homicide &
> Robbery office, until the time the clip ends, is about 11 seconds
> long. Every bit of the Lovelady footage is there. And yet Cinque wants
> WFAA to think it's "completely gone" from that linked video. What a
> clown.
>
> Here's the whole clip, starting at the beginning of it:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Qtj7vSJVI&#t=2341s
>

Dunno about y'all, but I'm REALLY eager to see how old Ralphie-boy
attempts to wriggle out of this one.

He'll probably claim DVP faked the whole complete entire one hour show.
Yesterday.

[David Von Pein]

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RALPH CINQUE SAID:

Here [below] is the version from Four Days in November, the Dave
Wolper film, and the clip starts at 5:35. It goes for 7 seconds. It is
totally different from the one that David Von Pein submitted
yesterday. As soon as you get into the room, the big cop and Oswald
are already past Lovelady. How did they get by him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GIlbvI5x5rU#t=334s


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The comedy of Cinque just keeps getting better. Cinque thinks that the
Wolper film shows a different version of the DPD/WFAA film simply
because Wolper's editors didn't show the ENTIRE clip of Oswald/
Lovelady. There's a break right after Oswald enters the Homicide
office. Wolper has cut out a second or two and then resumes the clip
again. It's merely a brief cut/edit in the same film....and yet Cinque
screams that it's a totally different "version".

Somebody pinch me...because I find it hard to believe that ANYONE
(even an avowed Anybody But Oswald conspiracy nut) could possibly be
this silly (and ignorant).

And for some incredible reason, Cinque now also thinks the whole
Lovelady DPD clip is "gone" from the '64 WFAA documentary that *I*
myself posted online. But it's not "gone"; it's still there--just as
it's always been.

I'm surprised Ralph didn't accuse me of editing the film. After all,
it's in *my* YouTube material.

As Ike Pappas said -- Holy Mackerel!

What will Cinque's next embarrassment be? Will he pretend that
Oswald's "I'm just a patsy" statement has been "edited" too? I
wouldn't be at all surprised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9F-szqv_RI

[aeffects]

do you trolls ever tire of lying? Ever tire of being a coward? Ever
tire not willing to deal with case evidence? Surely you do something
other than stroking ones private parts, I hope! Just curious.

[Jason Burke]

Focus, shithead. We're talking about one one hour show here. I know that
you probably have some sort of serious heavy metal poisoning from all
those splinters and asbestos up your ass, not mention leakage of dye
from the wig into your skull, but come on. Try to pay attention.

Dave/Ringo, you must be thrilled that someone like Cinque has come
around. He's certainly taken the prize of 'dumbest fuck in the world'
away from you.

[David Von Pein]

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RALPH CINQUE SAID:

What happened to it, Von Pein? I can even tell you exactly where the
Lovelady clip used to be in the WFAA program. It occurred at 5:43. The
reason I know is because above my desk, on a paper taped to the wall,
I have listed all the Dallas PD films and the point in each one at
which the Lovelady walk- by occurs. And for "WFAA" it says "5:43".

How could they remove that entire the clip? It was definitely there as
recently as last month. So, this change is of very recent vintage. I
want to know why. And I want to know how anyone could justify it, how
anyone could consider it innocent. It is not innocent. That entire
incident was fabricated; it never happened. And all I can surmise is
that WFAA must have realized that it was laughably inept, and it was
time for it to go. And they're right, it is a joke. But to remove it
and revamp the film at this late date only shows how corrupt the whole
thing is. From the beginning and all along, it was like a Nazi
propaganda film. And their removing the ridiculous Lovelady footage is
a tacit admission of having concocted a fraud. It's over, Von Pein.
You don't have a leg left to stand on.

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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You're a very confused person, Ralph. The Lovelady footage is all
still there. You're mixing up the ONE-part version of "A Year Ago
Today" that I posted at YouTube with a previous SIX-part version that
I posted in 2010.

Back in 2010, YouTube only permitted people to upload videos that were
a maximum of 10 to 11 minutes in length. So, in order to get the whole
hour-long program uploaded, I had to break it up into smaller 10-
minute segments. Hence, it was a six-part series in 2010.

But in more recent years, YouTube has allowed uploads of longer than
10 minutes, so I re-uploaded the "Year Ago Today" program as a single
hour-long video.

But my six-part version is still on YouTube (as of this writing). I
haven't deleted or edited that six-part version. So that's your error,
Ralph. You thought my hour-long video should have had the Lovelady
footage at the 5:43 mark. But since it's the whole show in one video,
of course the Lovelady footage isn't at the 5-minute mark in the 59-
minute video.

Here's the "5:43" part you were talking about within Part 4 of my
older 6-part series (it's actually closer to 5:57):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=njY87fStTjA#t=357s

You should have just e-mailed me privately, Ralph. I could have
immediately explained to you the difference between my 1-part version
and the 6-parter. You could have saved yourself quite a bit of
embarrassment if you had just contacted me privately.

[David Von Pein]

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RALPH CINQUE SAID:

I maintain that never has a short news clip been "edited" as many
times and in as many ways as this one has.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

But Ralph -- it's ALL THE SAME FILM. And Lovelady is clearly visible
each time the film is shown (regardless of how many seconds of the
film are being shown).

So -- what's your point anyway?

You're claiming that Lovelady was "added" into the WFAA/DPD film, but
since we can clearly SEE Lovelady in ALL of the different "edited
down" versions of the same film--where are you going with this silly
idea that there are 5 or 6 different "versions" of that DPD film?

Time to give this one up, Ralph. Because all sensible people know that
that DPD film was not faked in order to introduce a phony image of
Billy Lovelady. That notion is just plain screwy and you know it.
Particularly since it's also your theory that the whole reason for
adding Lovelady to the DPD film was to show him in the patterned
shirt....which is a shirt that YOU say Doorway Man IS NOT EVEN WEARING
in the Altgens photo!

So the net result of this preposterous hunk of "film fakery" is to
actually EXPOSE the conspiracy that you claim the authorities were
desperately attempting to conceal, because they've put a shirt on
Lovelady's back that YOU say Doorway Man is not even wearing on
11/22!

Can this farce of Cinque's get any sillier than that?