JFK Assassination Forum Archives -- Misc. Topics Of Interest (Part 203)

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RUTH PAINE:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=90#entry272034
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=105#entry272092
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=105#entry272098
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=105#entry272103
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=120#entry272159
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=135#entry272211
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=135#entry272268

THE BACK OF JFK'S HEAD:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272230
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272236
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272238

ACOUSTICS:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272241

BLIND FAITH OR TRUTHFUL EVIDENCE?:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20110&st=165#entry272450
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20165#entry272909

LEE OSWALD, HOWARD BRENNAN, AND MARRION BAKER:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20148&#entry272543

ZAPRUDER FRAME 285:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f9463b4f60e72569

DAVID LIFTON:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19777&page=3#entry272916

THE BOOK SHELF:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20147

MORE STUFF:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&st=15#entry272250
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&st=15#entry272259
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On May 1, 12:49 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

<snip the usual boasting and overt self centeredness>

douche bag, you know the rules...

David Von Pein

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DAVID LIFTON SAID:

If the wounds were inflicted from the front (only), then what you're
witnessing on the sixth floor of the TSBD is a diversion. Is that so
difficult to grasp?

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

But David Lifton seems to totally ignore the VERIFIABLE FACT that he
is DEAD WRONG about the wounds only being inflicted from the FRONT.

The idea that NO shots struck either the President or Governor
Connally from behind is so unbelievably wrong, false, and utterly
STUPID, I don't really need to say anything more.

And it's not just JFK who was PROVABLY struck TWICE from behind with
rifle bullets, but it's also John Connally too, who was PROVABLY
struck one time from BEHIND.

Why do you, David Lifton, feel the need to totally ignore Dr. Robert
R. Shaw's statements and testimony? And what about Gov. Connally
HIMSELF? Connally never once even HINTED that he was shot from any
other direction than FROM BEHIND. He felt a bullet hit him in the
upper back and he always said it "felt like someone hit me with a
balled-up fist" -- IN THE BACK, which had to have come FROM BEHIND the
Governor at the time he was hit.

Question for Mr. Lifton -- Has even ONE other human being on the face
of this planet called "Earth" said they agree with your theory about
NO shots at all striking JFK or John Connally FROM BEHIND? If one such
other person exists on this planet, please provide his name, because
I've never heard about him.

DAVID LIFTON SAID:

So of course the body was altered, and the doctors at Bethesda
recognized that. Immediately. That's why Dr. Humes said--and this was
written down by the two FBI agents witnessing the beginning of the
autopsy--that it was "apparent" that there had been "surgery of the
head area, namely, in the top of the skull."

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The "surgery of the head area" crap is yet another myth that Mr.
Lifton, like a child named Linus who can't bear the thought of getting
rid of his trusty security blanket, refuses to let go of.

Perhaps you, Mr. Lifton, haven't heard the 2005 C-Span interview below
with James W. Sibert, who was one of those two FBI agents who
witnessed portions of JFK's autopsy at Bethesda:

http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/interview-with-james-sibert.html

Of particular interest during the interview are several portions of
Mr. Sibert's detailed re-telling of the things he witnessed during
President Kennedy's autopsy at Bethesda, such as when Sibert talks
about the "surgery of the head area" remark made by lead autopsy
surgeon James J. Humes, with Sibert laying to rest the incorrect
speculation about this remark.

And there's also the important details revealed by Sibert concerning
the bullet fragments that he saw that night in 1963, i.e., the two
very small metal fragments that were removed from President Kennedy's
brain and then handed over to Sibert and placed in a glass jar.

The size of these small fragments, as repeated by Sibert during the
2005 interview, measured 7x2 millimeters and 3x1 millimeters.

The verbatim quote shown below should put to rest the erroneous idea
that any whole (or nearly-whole) "missile" was recovered during any
part of JFK's autopsy on 11/22/63 (regardless of the word "missile"
appearing in a report filed by Sibert and fellow FBI agent Francis X.
O'Neill after the autopsy):

"There was no large bullet of any kind there at Bethesda during
this autopsy that was found." -- James W. Sibert; June 30, 2005

The so-called "missile" handled by Sibert & O'Neill on Nov. 22
consisted of very small FRAGMENTS of metal removed from JFK's head --
fragments only. How do we know this for an absolute ironclad fact? Two
reasons:

1.) Dr. Humes, et al, were searching desperately during the autopsy
for a bullet (or bullets)--ANY signs of a bullet or bullets!--inside
JFK's body. They found NONE. Zero. Zilch. Only the small fragments in
the head. Nothing else. Nothing.

And:

2.) No whole "bullet" (or nearly-whole bullet) was entered into
evidence by Sibert, O'Neill, or anybody else connected in any way to
JFK's autopsy. The only whole bullet in the entire case is CE399.
Period. And that wasn't found at Bethesda.

If a whole "bullet" (or "missile") had been found at Bethesda, then
that bullet would be part of the evidence on the table in this case
TODAY. The reason that none of the three autopsists testified to
seeing a whole bullet during the autopsy is because no such "bullet"
exists....and never did.

The 2005 interview with Sibert also pretty much (all by itself)
destroys the credibility of David Lifton and his fairy-tale book "Best
Evidence", inasmuch as Lifton relied very heavily on the observations
of FBI agent Sibert to try and support a good chunk of the nonsensical
"body alteration" assassination theory that appears in that book.

But, as Sibert explains in no uncertain terms during his 2005
interview, the "surgery of the head area" remark made by Dr. Humes was
not referring to any type of covert "surgery" done by evil
conspirators prior to the Bethesda autopsy (which is covert surgery
that Mr. Lifton firmly believes did take place, in order to alter the
wounds on the President's body). Listen to the 2005 interview and hear
Sibert's explanation for the "surgery" remark.

So much for Mr. Lifton's "Best Evidence".

DAVID LIFTON SAID:

Are you so wedded to the idea that Oswald was a murderer that you
cannot conceive of a plan to frame him for a crime he did not commit?

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

To reciprocate:

Are you, David S. Lifton, so wedded to the impossible notion that Jack
Kennedy's body was secretly stolen off of Air Force One and his wounds
altered by an unknown group of conspirators on November 22, 1963, and
so wedded to the additional foolish belief that every shot that hit
the two limo victims came from in FRONT of the car, that you cannot
even conceive (for even a moment) that your outlandish theories just
MIGHT be inaccurate?

The JFK case has a very curious effect on certain people (such as
David Lifton of Los Angeles) -- They treat the evidence as if it's
something that needs to be MOLDED and CRAFTED into something that it
is not. In plainer terms, they simply IGNORE all the evidence of Lee
Harvey Oswald's lone guilt in the assassination of the 35th President,
and they expect the masses to fall at their feet and give thanks to
these expert "researchers" like Mr. Lifton who have literally made a
mockery out of the true evidence in this case.

Body alteration....casket-switching....bullet-planting...."diversions"
in the Sniper's Nest window....NO SHOTS hit the victims from
behind....and "Oswald Was Nothing But A Patsy" are the mottos endorsed
by this band of JFK conspiracists.

And, incredibly, ALL of the above cloak-and-dagger hocus-pocus (aka:
hogwash) is supposedly, per the likes of David Lifton, providing a
MORE REASONABLE and MORE LOGICAL and MORE RATIONAL and MORE TRUTHFUL
explanation to the events in Dallas on 11/22/63 than to simply believe
that the evidence is this case has NOT been forged, faked, or
manipulated and, therefore, Lee Harvey Oswald was just exactly what
the evidence in this case says he was --- a double-murderer.

Somebody please provide Mr. Lifton with a dictionary -- because he
evidently has no idea what the definitions are for words like
"Reasonable", "Rational", "Logical", and "Truthful".

David Von Pein
May 2013

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ARCHIVED JFK ASSASSINATION FORUM POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 203):

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PHOTO LINKS:
http://Kennedy-Photos.blogspot.com
http://Kennedy-Photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/thumbnails.html
http://JFK-Photos.blogspot.com

DVP BLOG LIST:
https://www.blogger.com/profile/12501570830179992520

DVP VS. JAMES DiEUGENIO:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/dvp-vs-dieugenio-complete-series.html

DVP VS. DAVID LIFTON:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/07/david-von-pein-vs-david-lifton.html

DVP FACEBOOK GROUP:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/243480929145732

DVP's POTPOURRI (JFK INDEXES):
http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/10/john-f-kennedy-index.html
http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/10/jfk-assassination-index.html

THE BACK OF JFK'S HEAD:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272230
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272236
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272238

ACOUSTICS:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20132&#entry272241

BLIND FAITH OR TRUTHFUL EVIDENCE?:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20165#entry272909

LEE OSWALD, HOWARD BRENNAN, AND MARRION BAKER:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20148&#entry272543

ZAPRUDER FRAME 285:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f9463b4f60e72569

THE BOOK SHELF:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20147

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