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John Corliss
Jul 29, 2019, 5:47:33 PM7/29/19
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I've been using the great Classic Shell to make the Windows 7 UI make
more sense. The website is still there:
http://www.classicshell.net/
but the program is no longer under active development. It works on
Windows 7 and up, but I can't verify that it will work without problems
on current versions of W10.
There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
and:
https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
which seems to be still in development. The bad news is that M$ still
isn't getting the point as to why these programs stay popular: i.e.
their UI sucks. Badly.
Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
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more sense. The website is still there:
http://www.classicshell.net/
but the program is no longer under active development. It works on
Windows 7 and up, but I can't verify that it will work without problems
on current versions of W10.
There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
and:
https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
which seems to be still in development. The bad news is that M$ still
isn't getting the point as to why these programs stay popular: i.e.
their UI sucks. Badly.
Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
--
John Corliss BS206. No ad, CD, commercial, cripple, demo, nag, pirated,
share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. I filter out
posts made from Google Groups and recommend you do likewise. I also
filter out all posts from »Q« (a consummate troll) and Kasey, who
doesn't believe in two-way firewalls.
Maurice Helwig
Jul 29, 2019, 6:51:04 PM7/29/19
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On 30/07/2019 7:46 am, John Corliss wrote:
> I've been using the great Classic Shell to make the Windows 7 UI make
> more sense. The website is still there:
>
> http://www.classicshell.net/
>
> but the program is no longer under active development. It works on
> Windows 7 and up, but I can't verify that it will work without problems
> on current versions of W10.
>
> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> and:
>
> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>
> which seems to be still in development. The bad news is that M$ still
> isn't getting the point as to why these programs stay popular: i.e.
> their UI sucks. Badly.
>
> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>
Thank you for posting this.
> I've been using the great Classic Shell to make the Windows 7 UI make
> more sense. The website is still there:
>
> http://www.classicshell.net/
>
> but the program is no longer under active development. It works on
> Windows 7 and up, but I can't verify that it will work without problems
> on current versions of W10.
>
> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> and:
>
> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>
> which seems to be still in development. The bad news is that M$ still
> isn't getting the point as to why these programs stay popular: i.e.
> their UI sucks. Badly.
>
> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>
I have used Classic shell and now Open shell on a test machine with
windows 10 installed.
Some may not have noticed the change.
For me, I cannot operate win 10 without it -- are you listening M$ !!!!!!!
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Maurice Helwig
~~~~~~~~~~~~
pez
Jul 29, 2019, 7:42:05 PM7/29/19
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"John Corliss" <r9j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:qhnphh$7iv$1...@dont-email.me...
=
- thank you -
- thank you -
John Corliss
Jul 30, 2019, 5:28:46 AM7/30/19
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John Corliss wrote:
> I've been using the great Classic Shell to make the Windows 7 UI make
> more sense. The website is still there:
>
> http://www.classicshell.net/
>
> but the program is no longer under active development. It works on
> Windows 7 and up, but I can't verify that it will work without problems
> on current versions of W10.
>
> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> and:
>
> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>
> which seems to be still in development. The bad news is that M$ still
> isn't getting the point as to why these programs stay popular: i.e.
> their UI sucks. Badly.
>
> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
LOL Just bear in mind that this project is being hosted at a website now
> I've been using the great Classic Shell to make the Windows 7 UI make
> more sense. The website is still there:
>
> http://www.classicshell.net/
>
> but the program is no longer under active development. It works on
> Windows 7 and up, but I can't verify that it will work without problems
> on current versions of W10.
>
> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> and:
>
> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>
> which seems to be still in development. The bad news is that M$ still
> isn't getting the point as to why these programs stay popular: i.e.
> their UI sucks. Badly.
>
> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
owned by Microsoft:
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/10/26/microsoft-completes-github-acquisition/
CRNG
Jul 30, 2019, 8:25:53 AM7/30/19
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:41:28 +0200, "pez" <pez.u...@gmail.com> wrote
in <gq9ei9...@mid.individual.net>
>
>- thank you -
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>- thank you -
+1
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pez
Jul 30, 2019, 12:23:02 PM7/30/19
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s|b
Jul 30, 2019, 3:20:51 PM7/30/19
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:46:36 -0700, John Corliss wrote:
> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> and:
>
> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>
> which seems to be still in development.
And you've just discovered this now? Where have you been? ;-o
> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> and:
>
> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>
> which seems to be still in development.
--
s|b
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Jul 30, 2019, 4:15:23 PM7/30/19
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:46:36 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
Planning your move to Windows 10 John ;)
I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
available.
I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
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wrote:
>Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
available.
I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
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Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy,
Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infâme,
the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll,
shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag,
liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav,
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John Corliss
Jul 30, 2019, 9:52:16 PM7/30/19
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Yrrah wrote:
> John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>:
> number of foreign countries:
> https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-countries/
> Tha't not in the spirit of the open-source community imho.
"Hamed Saeedi Fard, a developer based in Iran, wrote in a viral Medium
post that his GitHub account was blocked without any prior notice or the
option to back up his data.
Interestingly, the restrictions are imposed based on a user’s location —
by tracking their IP address and payment history — instead of validating
their nationality and ethnicity, GitHub said on its website, where it
mentions that Cuba and North Korea are also facing the U.S. sanctions.
For those who are considering a workaround by using VPNs (virtual
private networks), GitHub has ruled out that possibility: People in
U.S.-sanctioned countries 'are prohibited from using IP proxies, VPNs,
or other methods to disguise their location when accessing GitHub.com
services.' It remains to be seen how GitHub enforces the rule.
Banned users who believe their accounts have been wrongfully suspended
can fill out an appeal form, where they are required to produce a copy
of their government-issued photo ID to prove their current residency,
along with a selfie, signaling GitHub’s step toward imposing real-name
identity check."
and from Github's home page:
"A better way to work together
GitHub brings teams together to work through problems, move ideas
forward, and learn from each other along the way."
*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
> John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>:
>
>> LOL Just bear in mind that this project is being hosted at a website now
>> owned by Microsoft:
>>
>> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/10/26/microsoft-completes-github-acquisition/
>
> And it's based in the USA, which has repercussions for developers in a
>> LOL Just bear in mind that this project is being hosted at a website now
>> owned by Microsoft:
>>
>> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/10/26/microsoft-completes-github-acquisition/
>
> number of foreign countries:
> https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-countries/
> Tha't not in the spirit of the open-source community imho.
"Hamed Saeedi Fard, a developer based in Iran, wrote in a viral Medium
post that his GitHub account was blocked without any prior notice or the
option to back up his data.
Interestingly, the restrictions are imposed based on a user’s location —
by tracking their IP address and payment history — instead of validating
their nationality and ethnicity, GitHub said on its website, where it
mentions that Cuba and North Korea are also facing the U.S. sanctions.
For those who are considering a workaround by using VPNs (virtual
private networks), GitHub has ruled out that possibility: People in
U.S.-sanctioned countries 'are prohibited from using IP proxies, VPNs,
or other methods to disguise their location when accessing GitHub.com
services.' It remains to be seen how GitHub enforces the rule.
Banned users who believe their accounts have been wrongfully suspended
can fill out an appeal form, where they are required to produce a copy
of their government-issued photo ID to prove their current residency,
along with a selfie, signaling GitHub’s step toward imposing real-name
identity check."
and from Github's home page:
"A better way to work together
GitHub brings teams together to work through problems, move ideas
forward, and learn from each other along the way."
*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
John Corliss
Jul 30, 2019, 9:59:14 PM7/30/19
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>> I've been using the great Classic Shell to make the Windows 7 UI make
>> more sense. The website is still there:
>>
>> http://www.classicshell.net/
>
>
> I have installed Classic Shell 4.3.1 in my Windows 10 1803.
>> more sense. The website is still there:
>>
>> http://www.classicshell.net/
>
>
> No problems.
>
> I see no reason to upgrade to Open Shell.
This is good news for people using W10. However, one of the reasons the
original developer of Classic Shell gave up on developing the UI overlay
was because:
________________________________________________________________________
2) Windows 10 is being updated way too frequently (twice a year) and
each new version changes something that breaks Classic Shell. And
3) Each new version of Windows moves further away from the classic Win32
programming model, which allowed room for a lot of tinkering. The new
ways things are done make it very difficult to achieve the same
customizations
________________________________________________________________________
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8147
This means that Classic Shell might eventually quit working or else
cause some problems with the OS. It might turn out that if you want to
keep using it, your only alternative will be to go with Open Shell.
> but the program is no longer under active development. It works on
> Windows 7 and up, but I can't verify that it will work without problems
> on current versions of W10.
>
> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> and:
>
> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>
> which seems to be still in development. The bad news is that M$ still
> isn't getting the point as to why these programs stay popular: i.e.
> their UI sucks. Badly.
>
> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
no telling how long the new developers will be able to deal with the
problems that caused the original developer to give up.
John Corliss
Jul 30, 2019, 10:01:20 PM7/30/19
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s|b wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>>
>> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>>
>> and:
>>
>> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>>
>> which seems to be still in development.
>
> And you've just discovered this now? Where have you been? ;-o
Busily using W7, which hasn't forced me to look for alternatives to
> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> There is a fork from Classic Shell called "Open Shell/Open Shell Menu:
>>
>> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>>
>> and:
>>
>> https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
>>
>> which seems to be still in development.
>
> And you've just discovered this now? Where have you been? ;-o
Classic Shell yet. And I only noticed Open Shell in passing, thought
that it would be of interest to somebody in this group. Turns out I was
correct in that assumption too.
John Corliss
Jul 30, 2019, 10:08:30 PM7/30/19
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p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
> I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
> available.
>
> I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
> price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
Nothing wrong with that. Believe it or not, I sometimes buy software
myself but I don't talk about such programs in this group unless it's in
the context of describing features I'm looking for in freeware.
So care to mention what payware are you referring to and which
additional features it has Classic Shell doesn't?
> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>
> Planning your move to Windows 10 John ;)
As my late father used to say, "You dirty scut!"
>>
>> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>
> Planning your move to Windows 10 John ;)
> I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
> available.
>
> I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
> price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
myself but I don't talk about such programs in this group unless it's in
the context of describing features I'm looking for in freeware.
So care to mention what payware are you referring to and which
additional features it has Classic Shell doesn't?
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Jul 31, 2019, 3:55:47 AM7/31/19
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:51:19 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
How many years have people been told not to put their data in the cloud.
Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
arse.
I use SVN. Local respository. Just for versioning.
wrote:
>*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
arse.
I use SVN. Local respository. Just for versioning.
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Jul 31, 2019, 4:09:40 AM7/31/19
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:07:34 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>>
>> Planning your move to Windows 10 John ;)
>
>As my late father used to say, "You dirty scut!"
>
>> I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
>> available.
>>
>> I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
>> price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
>
>Nothing wrong with that. Believe it or not, I sometimes buy software
>myself but I don't talk about such programs in this group unless it's in
>the context of describing features I'm looking for in freeware.
>
>So care to mention what payware are you referring to and which
>additional features it has Classic Shell doesn't?
I don't know about additional features. Start10 gave me much less grief.
It's prettier as well. The graphics fit in more comfortably with Windows
10.
wrote:
>p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>>
>> Planning your move to Windows 10 John ;)
>
>As my late father used to say, "You dirty scut!"
>
>> I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
>> available.
>>
>> I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
>> price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
>
>Nothing wrong with that. Believe it or not, I sometimes buy software
>myself but I don't talk about such programs in this group unless it's in
>the context of describing features I'm looking for in freeware.
>
>So care to mention what payware are you referring to and which
>additional features it has Classic Shell doesn't?
It's prettier as well. The graphics fit in more comfortably with Windows
10.
CRNG
Jul 31, 2019, 7:39:26 AM7/31/19
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:55:44 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
<super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote in
<2jh2keh5uabq0tm81...@4ax.com>
>How many years have people been told not to put their data in the cloud.
>
>Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
>arse.
Indeed. In the early 1980s one of the principal reasons for moving
from main-frames to PCs was to have local control of data.
<super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote in
<2jh2keh5uabq0tm81...@4ax.com>
>How many years have people been told not to put their data in the cloud.
>
>Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
>arse.
from main-frames to PCs was to have local control of data.
John Corliss
Jul 31, 2019, 9:56:48 AM7/31/19
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p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:07:34 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>>>
>>> Planning your move to Windows 10 John ;)
>>
>> As my late father used to say, "You dirty scut!"
>>
>>> I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
>>> available.
>>>
>>> I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
>>> price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that. Believe it or not, I sometimes buy software
>> myself but I don't talk about such programs in this group unless it's in
>> the context of describing features I'm looking for in freeware.
>>
>> So care to mention what payware are you referring to and which
>> additional features it has Classic Shell doesn't?
>
> I don't know about additional features. Start10 gave me much less grief.
> It's prettier as well. The graphics fit in more comfortably with Windows
> 10.
Thx. Guess you mean this one:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:07:34 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the above might be of interest to somebody out there.
>>>
>>> Planning your move to Windows 10 John ;)
>>
>> As my late father used to say, "You dirty scut!"
>>
>>> I tried Classic Sell but it sucked in comparison to the payware <cough>
>>> available.
>>>
>>> I use my start menu everyday <no kidding> so my wallet relented. The
>>> price helped to release its jaws. It just wasn't worth the fight.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that. Believe it or not, I sometimes buy software
>> myself but I don't talk about such programs in this group unless it's in
>> the context of describing features I'm looking for in freeware.
>>
>> So care to mention what payware are you referring to and which
>> additional features it has Classic Shell doesn't?
>
> I don't know about additional features. Start10 gave me much less grief.
> It's prettier as well. The graphics fit in more comfortably with Windows
> 10.
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
Wildman
Jul 31, 2019, 1:18:54 PM7/31/19
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:08:06 -0500, FargerG wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:55:44 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
> <super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:51:19 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
>>
>>How many years have people been told not to put their data in the cloud.
>>
>>Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
>>arse.
>>
>>I use SVN. Local respository. Just for versioning.
>>
>>Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
>
> The "Cloud"?
>
> Aren't those servers the same as any other server not in 'The
> Cloud'?
>
> What the FLIP is so much more secure about being in a 'Cloud'?
>
> What an advertising gimmick - 'The Cloud'. : o)
I keep my cloud on a shelf above the monitor. There is a
one-time cost of about $35/TB. My cloud has never been
hacked.
--
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
The cow died so I don't need your bull!
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:55:44 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
> <super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:51:19 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
>>
>>How many years have people been told not to put their data in the cloud.
>>
>>Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
>>arse.
>>
>>I use SVN. Local respository. Just for versioning.
>>
>>Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
>
>
> Aren't those servers the same as any other server not in 'The
> Cloud'?
>
> What the FLIP is so much more secure about being in a 'Cloud'?
>
> What an advertising gimmick - 'The Cloud'. : o)
I keep my cloud on a shelf above the monitor. There is a
one-time cost of about $35/TB. My cloud has never been
hacked.
--
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
The cow died so I don't need your bull!
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Jul 31, 2019, 3:54:45 PM7/31/19
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:08:06 -0500, Far...@INVALIDATED.COM wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:55:44 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
><super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:
>
>On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:55:44 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
><super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:51:19 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
>>
>>How many years have people been told not to put their data in the cloud.
>>
>>Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
>>arse.
>>
>>I use SVN. Local respository. Just for versioning.
>>
>>Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>*sigh* What a fucked up world we live in.
>>
>>How many years have people been told not to put their data in the cloud.
>>
>>Will the great unwashed wake up and stop following fashion. Will they
>>arse.
>>
>>I use SVN. Local respository. Just for versioning.
>>
>>Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
>
>The "Cloud"?
>
>Aren't those servers the same as any other server not in 'The
>Cloud'?
Oh! dear, we have ourselves an expert. How lucky are we. Stand by your
>
>Aren't those servers the same as any other server not in 'The
>Cloud'?
beds. Get ready for inspection. Atten-Hun!
>What the FLIP is so much more secure about being in a 'Cloud'?
subject nor given yourself the benefit of a formal education in
security.
>What an advertising gimmick - 'The Cloud'. : o)
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Jul 31, 2019, 4:18:53 PM7/31/19
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opinions expressed after my reply to John Corliss.
John's post was not about security but about putting data into cloud
services where the legal jurisdiction isn't always clear or at least
that was my interpretation. In this case an Iranian has fallen foul of
US sanctions. As a UK resident I want my data to be subject to UK law
and I suspect most legal entities want similar for their data for it to
be subject to the law of their home country. Almost all should care and
know what they are getting themselves into.
Cloud services use distributed networks. Mirrors can exist in many
countries. This is of course good or bad or both depending on your view
and purpose. Legally, it's a minefield subject it seems in this case to
the whim of the world police.
Again, I don't want you or your partner in crime to worry yourself none.
We aim for high standards here though, and shun inanity when the subject
warrants seriousness. You could try Twitter.
Wildman
Jul 31, 2019, 5:40:31 PM7/31/19
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Shadow
Jul 31, 2019, 9:31:39 PM7/31/19
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:18:50 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
I agree. Most Brazilian websites (ending in .br) store their
data on US servers. So that data is subject to American law, not
Brazilian law.
OTOH, US law is not valid here. So you can store whatever you
want, with no fear of retribution, unless you set foot in the US.
week ago. Couldn't see the results because the "cloud" server was down
in the US. The stupid IT fscks can't even set up a simple data server
here.
>You could try Twitter.
I thought that belonged to the guy on the lower right. I mean
left. Oh sht, one of them. Where's my glasses?
http://asset-3.soupcdn.com/asset/14443/9214_3f31_500.jpeg
[]'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
data on US servers. So that data is subject to American law, not
Brazilian law.
OTOH, US law is not valid here. So you can store whatever you
want, with no fear of retribution, unless you set foot in the US.
>
>Again, I don't want you or your partner in crime to worry yourself none.
>We aim for high standards here though, and shun inanity when the subject
>warrants seriousness.
On a personal level, I did my yearly blood tests just over a
>Again, I don't want you or your partner in crime to worry yourself none.
>We aim for high standards here though, and shun inanity when the subject
>warrants seriousness.
week ago. Couldn't see the results because the "cloud" server was down
in the US. The stupid IT fscks can't even set up a simple data server
here.
>You could try Twitter.
I thought that belonged to the guy on the lower right. I mean
left. Oh sht, one of them. Where's my glasses?
http://asset-3.soupcdn.com/asset/14443/9214_3f31_500.jpeg
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Aug 1, 2019, 4:31:40 AM8/1/19
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:50:31 -0500, Far...@INVALIDATED.COM wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:18:50 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
>This 'Cat' jerk is beginning to sound like that moron Flasherly.
I think you would be better suited to propping up a bar somewhere. You
didn't do your homework on this one. I'm guessing that's the story of
your life. My advice. Take the long hard road to gaining some
enlightenment and earn yourself an education before posting the first
fleeting lazy argument that your under exercised brain dreams up and
apply a bit of self critique before posting like an egocentric 8 year
old.
HTH.
>But then what would expect from some idiot who spends his life
>pretending to be a cat.
Ooooh! That so hurts. Don't forget to post a Utube video. My humble
suggestion for a working title, "FargerG DESTROYS Pooh the Cat!".
Nice.
>On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:18:50 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
I think you would be better suited to propping up a bar somewhere. You
didn't do your homework on this one. I'm guessing that's the story of
your life. My advice. Take the long hard road to gaining some
enlightenment and earn yourself an education before posting the first
fleeting lazy argument that your under exercised brain dreams up and
apply a bit of self critique before posting like an egocentric 8 year
old.
HTH.
>But then what would expect from some idiot who spends his life
>pretending to be a cat.
Ooooh! That so hurts. Don't forget to post a Utube video. My humble
suggestion for a working title, "FargerG DESTROYS Pooh the Cat!".
Nice.
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Aug 1, 2019, 4:53:09 AM8/1/19
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:30:10 -0300, Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:
>http://asset-3.soupcdn.com/asset/14443/9214_3f31_500.jpeg
Commodus and Caligula. Who can deny reincarnation now.
>http://asset-3.soupcdn.com/asset/14443/9214_3f31_500.jpeg
Commodus and Caligula. Who can deny reincarnation now.
Arlen Holder
Mar 9, 2020, 1:12:36 PM3/9/20
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FACT:
The exact Windows XP cascade accordion style menu hierarchy works perfectly
in Windows 10. Literally, the exact files work just fine.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8115171winxp_menu_example01.jpg>
All it takes is a bit of intelligence to realize the facts that exist.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2796904winxp_menu_on_win10.jpg>
I copied my WinXP files over to Windows 10 and "they just work".
o Why does anyone bother to install Classic Shell on Windows if all
they want is the WinXP accordion-style sliding cascade Start Menu?
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2539943taskbar00.jpg>
There's no need, IMHO, for "Classic Shell" or "Open Shell" hacks (if what
you want are the original WinXP cascade accordion style menus).
FACT:
o *The WinXP accordion style cascade menu _never_ left Windows 10*.
--
I believe in facts instead of in whatever MARKETING wishes to feed us.
The exact Windows XP cascade accordion style menu hierarchy works perfectly
in Windows 10. Literally, the exact files work just fine.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8115171winxp_menu_example01.jpg>
All it takes is a bit of intelligence to realize the facts that exist.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2796904winxp_menu_on_win10.jpg>
I copied my WinXP files over to Windows 10 and "they just work".
o Why does anyone bother to install Classic Shell on Windows if all
they want is the WinXP accordion-style sliding cascade Start Menu?
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2539943taskbar00.jpg>
There's no need, IMHO, for "Classic Shell" or "Open Shell" hacks (if what
you want are the original WinXP cascade accordion style menus).
FACT:
o *The WinXP accordion style cascade menu _never_ left Windows 10*.
--
I believe in facts instead of in whatever MARKETING wishes to feed us.
Nicodemus
Mar 9, 2020, 6:18:11 PM3/9/20
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Arlen Holder <arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote in
news:r45te0$v5v$3...@news.mixmin.net:
You are so far away, I wonder if you can be saved, while you toil and
trouble over such childish endeavors, you did not notice the darkness
engulfing you.
news:r45te0$v5v$3...@news.mixmin.net:
trouble over such childish endeavors, you did not notice the darkness
engulfing you.
John C.
Mar 10, 2020, 9:10:26 AM3/10/20
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abysmally piss-poor excuse for a file manager (Windows Explorer, or
whatever it's called now in Winblows 10). CS restored many of the
features that Microsoft removed in their continuing quest to dummy down
the OS.
By the way, FUCK WINDOWS 10.
--
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share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. I filter out
posts made from Google Groups and recommend you do likewise. I also
two-way firewalls, and »Q«, who is just another, but more common troll.
Arlen Holder
Jul 18, 2020, 5:35:09 PM7/18/20
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UPDATE (for the benefit of all in the permanent Usenet record)
(since every post should provide value now & years to come)
Regarding related leverageable links to remember from this post today...
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/NQth1-96ROw/6DrhttQaCgAJ>
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:16:00 +0100, NY wrote:
> I installed Classic Shell to give me a "proper" Start Menu.
I never understood _why_ people go to this much trouble...
o to obtain the WinXP accordion cascade menu that was always there!
o *Why does anyone bother to install Classic Shell on Windows if all
they want is the WinXP accordion-style sliding cascade Start Menu?*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/classic$20start$20menu%7Csort:date/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/dTHKXIdlqcw/1YpoS4ITAQAJ>
If you understand how Windows works, you'll realize, instantly, the WinXP
accordion style menu exists & never left Windows in the first place.
It's EXACTLY the same (i.e., it's just a folder hierarchy of shortcuts).
In fact, I've copied my XP menu to Windows 10 and it works beautifully.
(Note that I maintain the same hierarchy on all machines, which is why
copying the "menu" folder from any of my machines works for all of them).
It's just a hierarchical folder pinned to the taskbar, containing
shortcuts.
--
People grasp at straws when they never had the problem in the 1st place.
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:33:32 +0100, NY wrote:
> I agree that there is a hierarchical folder for third-party applications
> that you install on Win 10,
Hi NY,
To continue, always, to be purposefully helpful to all adults on Usenet...
I realize this is OT, where I was mainly responding to your words, since I
am a fact-based aspy who always tries to figure out the strange reasons why
people do the strange non-factual things they do. :)
I'm well trained in organic chemistry, where, whenever I'm at the gas
station, for example, and some Honda Civic pulls up and the driver puts in
Premium, I ask them "why", and what I get back is utter nonsense (most of
it is utter bull, fed to them by gas advertisers) either about "higher
power" or "increased performance" or "cleaner engines"... which is just
impossible to gain for a stock engine in normal condition under normal use
(yet, they literally _believe_ in the imaginary belief system MARKETING fed
them to believe in).
o FAQ: Automotive Gasoline, by Bruce Hamilton
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part1/>
Same with people who own iPhones: I ask them while I'm waiting in line what
they like about it, and I _always_ get back almost a one-to-one parrot of
what MARKETING fed them to believe (e.g., "no malware", "frequent updates",
"security & safety", etc.), all of which is easily proven MARKETING
bulldunk.
o What is the most brilliant marketing move Apple ever made?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wW-fu0jsvAU>
Same with Classic Shell (and it's variants), where every time someone
mentions it, I simply remind them, nicely, that if all they want are WinXP
cascaded accordion-style menus, they never left Windows 10 in the first
place (they never left ANY Windows version, in fact).
I do though, very much so, ORGANIZE my Windows dual monitors, so I
APPRECIATE your needs, given the capriciousness of the dual-monitor setup,
as I, myself, (together with Paul), have ascertained in the past, e.g.,
o Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors
(only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/OVaj9a326Bo>
> but I haven't found any links for Devices &
> Printers, Control Panel, etc.
Long ago I added to the Usenet tribal record, just for this purpose,
_every_ command known to Windows man already (see links below), e.g.,
this brought up my "Devices & Printers" on Win10 Pro v1909 just now:
o Win+R > Run > control printers
o Win+R > Run > ::{26EE0668-A00A-44D7-9371-BEB064C98683}\2\::{A8A91A66-3A7D-4424-8D24-04E180695C7A}
While this opens up the "device discovery", for example:
o Win+R > Run > ms-settings-connectabledevices:devicediscovery
And this brought up the "Start Menu & Taskbar manager", for example:
o Win+R > Run > devmoderunasuserconfig.msc
And, of course, this opens up the control panel:
o Win+R > Run > control
Where you can get into any specific app wizard if you have the list which
I've provided, long ago, to the Usenet permanent archives for this task,
for example...
o Win+R > Run > control admintools
o Win+R > Run > appwiz.cpl
o Win+R > Run > control.exe /name Microsoft.TaskbarandStartMenu
etc. (we documented _hundreds_ of these commands, see link below)
The point is simply that if you can use "Start Run" to get to the "Devices
& Printers", or to the "Control Panel", then you can make a shortcut to
those commands, which you can give a custom icon, and then you can then put
your custom shortcut in your "menu" folder, which is already pinned to the
taskbar, perhaps under:
o taskbar > menu > os > {your custom shortcut to devices_and_printers.lnk}
o taskbar > menu > os > {your custom shortcut to control panel.lnk}
o taskbar > menu > os > {your custom shortcut to admin tools.lnk}
etc.
How to do all this we've added to the permanent Usenet archives just so
that people like you can do what we discussed long ago, in fact.
See these threads for details on how to do what you need to do:
o Over 250 Start > Run commands (please improve this Start Run commands list)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/cc1lGn3ty0E>
o Please follow this cut-and-paste tutorial to get batch command shortcuts working perfectly on Windows
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1PzeGP4KMTU>
o What Windows 10 default files contain lots of useful icons for shortcuts to be set to?
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/jprmtBFx/what-windows-10-default-files-contain-lots-of-useful-icons-for-shortcuts-to-be-set-to>
o Tutorial for creating custom Windows icons from screenshots using only Irfanview freeware
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xm6aHzaC-D8/jvyr_JLnBAAJ>
Once we figure out how to add what you want to the cascade menu, we should
likely update this thread of useful shortcuts so that all benefit from
every action of ours on Usenet:
o What useful Windows shortcuts would you like to share with users?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/80ZHKKFom0c>
o What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/arlen$20menu|sort:date/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/ySVGbayhLSk/ucth1LPoBAAJ>
Where you need to know how batch/shortcut/target shortcut links differ in
the TARGET line syntax (which is an oddity of Windows it seems):
o What syntax combines 2 commands into a single shortcut TARGET line?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/azQbz6D_v0Y>
o Shutdown or Restart Windows without bickering
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/Ou___EcjwKo>
> Also, it seems to be hit-and-miss whether you get a start menu (Windows 10
> style) or the infamous "mess of tiles" that covers most of the screen with
> huge icons that organise themselves at random (eg Word is not always two
> columns from the left on the third row).
You may not know this, but I've written many tutorials on how to wrest
control over Windows menus, ever since the Win95 days, where I feel, had
Microsoft hired me years ago, the menus would make sense today.
While I always try to gain control over the native menu system, I've
explained in many threads why Microsoft made that simple task difficult,
e.g.,
o Philosophy on a tutorial for setting up Windows in a well organized
KISS philosopy such that search is never needed & reinstall is trivial
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1Gf59YRkaI8>
> I tend not to use the Start Menu on a regular basis, expect for Control
> Panel and Devices & Printers. or for accessing a rarely-used program.
To that end, I keep a shortcut to the "Run" command on my taskbar:
taskbar > Run > control
As described in this thread on pinning the Run icon to the taskbar:
o Is it even possible to pin the RUN command icon to the taskbar
WITHOUT surrendering to a Windows Search?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/Ik_ejNXbrrw>
> For commonly-ones, I locate them in the Start Menu and then copy the shortcut to
> the desktop - and I screen-print the desktop when it's all set up so I can
> restore icons to the places where I've put them (grouped according to
> category) if Windows decides to move them - which seems to happen (but only
> occasionally) if I've accessed my PC's desktop remotely from my phone or
> laptop by Real VNC.
Yes. Indeed. Windows acts in strange ways, just like the proverbial
capricious Gods when it comes to messing up my carefully arranged desktop
also.
I suggest you put NOTHING on your desktop; put those valuable shortcuts in
your data directory (which is the only directory you ever need to back up),
and then you can simply copy that one directory tree to any newly set up
machine, and you're instantly good to go (it's what I do so I know it
works, and I've been doing this since, oh, I guess well into the Win95
days, where that one menu hierarchy works on all machines I've set up).
NOTE: I use a consistent hierarchy organized by FUNCTIONALITY (which almost
never changes over time), such as these samples would indicate:
o Taskbar > menu > archiver > veracrypt.lnk
o Taskbar > menu > browser > firefox.lnk
o Taskbar > menu > cleaner > ccleaner.lnk
etc.
To philosophize, I feel Microsoft screwed up on ORGANIZATION, where it's
trivial to organize a computer, IMHO (see aforementioned threads) if you
think about it ahead of time, since there are very few things you do,
overall, e.g., you "browse" and you "edit" and you "network", etc.,
so my systems (on my phone also) are organized by FUNCTIONALITY:
C:\apps\browsers
C:\apps\editors
C:\apps\networking
etc.
NOTE: I don't use plurals, but I added plurals above for illustrative
reasons, where my names are 8+3 and easily guessed (which is why I don't
use plurals, since it adds zero value & yet has to be typed correctly).
For the _same_ organizational strategy on my phone, see this screenshot:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/hjwRjQWV/homescreen01.jpg>
And, while iOS is shockingly primitive compared to every other common
consumer operating system, you can still organize by a similar
functionality hierarchy, as I have done on my iPads:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/QdmBcwGC/homescreen00.jpg>
In short, while both Microsoft & Google (and Apple) would have benefited
greatly had they hired me to define their overall user interface (i.e., the
whole world would have an easier time with what a lot of people have
trouble with), at least I can help you access everything from what we've
been calling the "start menu" (which is really the "taskbar menu").
> I'm used to Windows 7: I can "drive" it with me eyes closed (almost!) so I
> feel lost and wrong-footed if I try to use vanilla Win 10 without Classic
> Shell.
That's my whole point.
Notice even in Android, my entire system ports over _seamlessly_ from any
device, simply because they're all organized by FUNCTIONALITY (which almost
never changes over time!).
So on ANY Windows, from Win95 up, you copy over ONE menu hierarchy, and it
works OUT OF THE BOX (for the most part, depending on how CONSISTENT you
are) on ALL PC's you, yourself, set up.
All you have to do is be consistent with your organizational strategy,
which is a LOT easier than people think, as we all do the same things
(e.g., we browse, we print, we edit, etc.).
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwdW0vrW/apk01.jpg>
> It's a shame that Win 10 hasn't merged the Control Panel (traditional UI)
> and PC Settings (Modern UI) into a single set.
I'm not sure _what_ Microsoft is doing with the control panel lately...
o Microsoft is reputedly beginning to sunset the Control Panel system applet
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/APpB-RBSBCI>
> It is tedious to have to
> switch between the two because neither on its own can do *everything*.. I
> *much* prefer the traditional UI with a proper menu bar (instead of a
> cog-wheel or three-lines icon) to access settings.
Take a look at the aforementioned thread on the 250 things you can do with
the Start > Run menu, and let us know what's missing that you need.
For example, we added a bright red admin prompt command, as one sample:
o Efficient Windows Admin command prompt of any color in any desired location
<https://alt.msdos.batch.narkive.com/0mQlFn8s/efficient-windows-admin-command-prompt-of-any-color-in-any-desired-location>
The whole point of that permanently archived thread is to allow people like
you to do what we researched (which took lots of time & energy) for you.
If you can't do something you need to do, then it's time to update those
threads, where I consider a thread a permanent reference which can be
updated as long as my news server has the article that I can respond to.
> Modern is too pared-down
> (and dumbed-down) for my liking. Microsoft made a very serious mistake with
> Win 8 in trying to make a tablet-style minimalist UI the default.
Agreed. Paul and I tried to wrest control over the damn tiles, where you
end up in binaries as you dig deeper, so I just gave up on both the Win10
right side (orthogonal) menu and the Win10 left side (alphabetical) menus.
In fact, we've discussed on this ng many related ways to make Win10
efficient and organized, some of which are summarized in this thread:
o Is this the most efficient way to access most-used folders & the entire file system with the LEAST amount of clutter?
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/e8etKofB/is-this-the-most-efficient-way-to-access-most-used-folders-the-entire-file-system-with-the-least>
> They
> should have made it much easier to switch between the two - "Make Windows 10
> look like all previous versions of Windows" versus "Use our new tablet-style
> UI", and that change should be one that can be made at any time on a
> per-user basis, not one that is system-wide and can only be configured at
> installation time.
Um... if you use what I suggest above, EVERY Windows version from about
Win95 to the latest Win10 can use the exact same menu folder.
It's what I do, so I know it works as I've been doing it for a decade or
two (I don't count how many years, and I do improve the organization over
time, but it's essentially the same for all Windows versions out there).
> But all that is a side issue to the problem with the graphics adaptor on VGA
> output. The only reason I use VGA / D-Sub is that my monitor has only one of
> each port (VGA, DVI, HDMI) and I like my main Win 7 PC on DVI to give the
> sharpest picture, with VGA for any other PC that I may connect temporarily
> (Win 10, Ubuntu), and HDMI for devices that *only* have an HDMI port (eg
> Raspberry Pi, on the rare occasions when I need to connect to it monitor and
> keyboard, because something is stopping me accessing it by Real VNC or
> PuTTY). I could get a KVM console switch, I suppose ;-)
Yes. I understand. I have graphics issues myself lately, as shown here:
o Windows 10 BSOD indicates a hardware problem - but what hardware is the problem?
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem>
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Those who purposefully help others on Usenet are few and far between.
(since every post should provide value now & years to come)
Regarding related leverageable links to remember from this post today...
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/NQth1-96ROw/6DrhttQaCgAJ>
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:16:00 +0100, NY wrote:
> I installed Classic Shell to give me a "proper" Start Menu.
I never understood _why_ people go to this much trouble...
o to obtain the WinXP accordion cascade menu that was always there!
o *Why does anyone bother to install Classic Shell on Windows if all
they want is the WinXP accordion-style sliding cascade Start Menu?*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/classic$20start$20menu%7Csort:date/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/dTHKXIdlqcw/1YpoS4ITAQAJ>
If you understand how Windows works, you'll realize, instantly, the WinXP
accordion style menu exists & never left Windows in the first place.
It's EXACTLY the same (i.e., it's just a folder hierarchy of shortcuts).
In fact, I've copied my XP menu to Windows 10 and it works beautifully.
(Note that I maintain the same hierarchy on all machines, which is why
copying the "menu" folder from any of my machines works for all of them).
It's just a hierarchical folder pinned to the taskbar, containing
shortcuts.
--
People grasp at straws when they never had the problem in the 1st place.
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:33:32 +0100, NY wrote:
> I agree that there is a hierarchical folder for third-party applications
> that you install on Win 10,
Hi NY,
To continue, always, to be purposefully helpful to all adults on Usenet...
I realize this is OT, where I was mainly responding to your words, since I
am a fact-based aspy who always tries to figure out the strange reasons why
people do the strange non-factual things they do. :)
I'm well trained in organic chemistry, where, whenever I'm at the gas
station, for example, and some Honda Civic pulls up and the driver puts in
Premium, I ask them "why", and what I get back is utter nonsense (most of
it is utter bull, fed to them by gas advertisers) either about "higher
power" or "increased performance" or "cleaner engines"... which is just
impossible to gain for a stock engine in normal condition under normal use
(yet, they literally _believe_ in the imaginary belief system MARKETING fed
them to believe in).
o FAQ: Automotive Gasoline, by Bruce Hamilton
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part1/>
Same with people who own iPhones: I ask them while I'm waiting in line what
they like about it, and I _always_ get back almost a one-to-one parrot of
what MARKETING fed them to believe (e.g., "no malware", "frequent updates",
"security & safety", etc.), all of which is easily proven MARKETING
bulldunk.
o What is the most brilliant marketing move Apple ever made?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wW-fu0jsvAU>
Same with Classic Shell (and it's variants), where every time someone
mentions it, I simply remind them, nicely, that if all they want are WinXP
cascaded accordion-style menus, they never left Windows 10 in the first
place (they never left ANY Windows version, in fact).
I do though, very much so, ORGANIZE my Windows dual monitors, so I
APPRECIATE your needs, given the capriciousness of the dual-monitor setup,
as I, myself, (together with Paul), have ascertained in the past, e.g.,
o Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors
(only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/OVaj9a326Bo>
> but I haven't found any links for Devices &
> Printers, Control Panel, etc.
Long ago I added to the Usenet tribal record, just for this purpose,
_every_ command known to Windows man already (see links below), e.g.,
this brought up my "Devices & Printers" on Win10 Pro v1909 just now:
o Win+R > Run > control printers
o Win+R > Run > ::{26EE0668-A00A-44D7-9371-BEB064C98683}\2\::{A8A91A66-3A7D-4424-8D24-04E180695C7A}
While this opens up the "device discovery", for example:
o Win+R > Run > ms-settings-connectabledevices:devicediscovery
And this brought up the "Start Menu & Taskbar manager", for example:
o Win+R > Run > devmoderunasuserconfig.msc
And, of course, this opens up the control panel:
o Win+R > Run > control
Where you can get into any specific app wizard if you have the list which
I've provided, long ago, to the Usenet permanent archives for this task,
for example...
o Win+R > Run > control admintools
o Win+R > Run > appwiz.cpl
o Win+R > Run > control.exe /name Microsoft.TaskbarandStartMenu
etc. (we documented _hundreds_ of these commands, see link below)
The point is simply that if you can use "Start Run" to get to the "Devices
& Printers", or to the "Control Panel", then you can make a shortcut to
those commands, which you can give a custom icon, and then you can then put
your custom shortcut in your "menu" folder, which is already pinned to the
taskbar, perhaps under:
o taskbar > menu > os > {your custom shortcut to devices_and_printers.lnk}
o taskbar > menu > os > {your custom shortcut to control panel.lnk}
o taskbar > menu > os > {your custom shortcut to admin tools.lnk}
etc.
How to do all this we've added to the permanent Usenet archives just so
that people like you can do what we discussed long ago, in fact.
See these threads for details on how to do what you need to do:
o Over 250 Start > Run commands (please improve this Start Run commands list)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/cc1lGn3ty0E>
o Please follow this cut-and-paste tutorial to get batch command shortcuts working perfectly on Windows
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1PzeGP4KMTU>
o What Windows 10 default files contain lots of useful icons for shortcuts to be set to?
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/jprmtBFx/what-windows-10-default-files-contain-lots-of-useful-icons-for-shortcuts-to-be-set-to>
o Tutorial for creating custom Windows icons from screenshots using only Irfanview freeware
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xm6aHzaC-D8/jvyr_JLnBAAJ>
Once we figure out how to add what you want to the cascade menu, we should
likely update this thread of useful shortcuts so that all benefit from
every action of ours on Usenet:
o What useful Windows shortcuts would you like to share with users?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/80ZHKKFom0c>
o What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/arlen$20menu|sort:date/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/ySVGbayhLSk/ucth1LPoBAAJ>
Where you need to know how batch/shortcut/target shortcut links differ in
the TARGET line syntax (which is an oddity of Windows it seems):
o What syntax combines 2 commands into a single shortcut TARGET line?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/azQbz6D_v0Y>
o Shutdown or Restart Windows without bickering
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/Ou___EcjwKo>
> Also, it seems to be hit-and-miss whether you get a start menu (Windows 10
> style) or the infamous "mess of tiles" that covers most of the screen with
> huge icons that organise themselves at random (eg Word is not always two
> columns from the left on the third row).
You may not know this, but I've written many tutorials on how to wrest
control over Windows menus, ever since the Win95 days, where I feel, had
Microsoft hired me years ago, the menus would make sense today.
While I always try to gain control over the native menu system, I've
explained in many threads why Microsoft made that simple task difficult,
e.g.,
o Philosophy on a tutorial for setting up Windows in a well organized
KISS philosopy such that search is never needed & reinstall is trivial
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1Gf59YRkaI8>
> I tend not to use the Start Menu on a regular basis, expect for Control
> Panel and Devices & Printers. or for accessing a rarely-used program.
To that end, I keep a shortcut to the "Run" command on my taskbar:
taskbar > Run > control
As described in this thread on pinning the Run icon to the taskbar:
o Is it even possible to pin the RUN command icon to the taskbar
WITHOUT surrendering to a Windows Search?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/Ik_ejNXbrrw>
> For commonly-ones, I locate them in the Start Menu and then copy the shortcut to
> the desktop - and I screen-print the desktop when it's all set up so I can
> restore icons to the places where I've put them (grouped according to
> category) if Windows decides to move them - which seems to happen (but only
> occasionally) if I've accessed my PC's desktop remotely from my phone or
> laptop by Real VNC.
Yes. Indeed. Windows acts in strange ways, just like the proverbial
capricious Gods when it comes to messing up my carefully arranged desktop
also.
I suggest you put NOTHING on your desktop; put those valuable shortcuts in
your data directory (which is the only directory you ever need to back up),
and then you can simply copy that one directory tree to any newly set up
machine, and you're instantly good to go (it's what I do so I know it
works, and I've been doing this since, oh, I guess well into the Win95
days, where that one menu hierarchy works on all machines I've set up).
NOTE: I use a consistent hierarchy organized by FUNCTIONALITY (which almost
never changes over time), such as these samples would indicate:
o Taskbar > menu > archiver > veracrypt.lnk
o Taskbar > menu > browser > firefox.lnk
o Taskbar > menu > cleaner > ccleaner.lnk
etc.
To philosophize, I feel Microsoft screwed up on ORGANIZATION, where it's
trivial to organize a computer, IMHO (see aforementioned threads) if you
think about it ahead of time, since there are very few things you do,
overall, e.g., you "browse" and you "edit" and you "network", etc.,
so my systems (on my phone also) are organized by FUNCTIONALITY:
C:\apps\browsers
C:\apps\editors
C:\apps\networking
etc.
NOTE: I don't use plurals, but I added plurals above for illustrative
reasons, where my names are 8+3 and easily guessed (which is why I don't
use plurals, since it adds zero value & yet has to be typed correctly).
For the _same_ organizational strategy on my phone, see this screenshot:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/hjwRjQWV/homescreen01.jpg>
And, while iOS is shockingly primitive compared to every other common
consumer operating system, you can still organize by a similar
functionality hierarchy, as I have done on my iPads:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/QdmBcwGC/homescreen00.jpg>
In short, while both Microsoft & Google (and Apple) would have benefited
greatly had they hired me to define their overall user interface (i.e., the
whole world would have an easier time with what a lot of people have
trouble with), at least I can help you access everything from what we've
been calling the "start menu" (which is really the "taskbar menu").
> I'm used to Windows 7: I can "drive" it with me eyes closed (almost!) so I
> feel lost and wrong-footed if I try to use vanilla Win 10 without Classic
> Shell.
That's my whole point.
Notice even in Android, my entire system ports over _seamlessly_ from any
device, simply because they're all organized by FUNCTIONALITY (which almost
never changes over time!).
So on ANY Windows, from Win95 up, you copy over ONE menu hierarchy, and it
works OUT OF THE BOX (for the most part, depending on how CONSISTENT you
are) on ALL PC's you, yourself, set up.
All you have to do is be consistent with your organizational strategy,
which is a LOT easier than people think, as we all do the same things
(e.g., we browse, we print, we edit, etc.).
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwdW0vrW/apk01.jpg>
> It's a shame that Win 10 hasn't merged the Control Panel (traditional UI)
> and PC Settings (Modern UI) into a single set.
I'm not sure _what_ Microsoft is doing with the control panel lately...
o Microsoft is reputedly beginning to sunset the Control Panel system applet
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/APpB-RBSBCI>
> It is tedious to have to
> switch between the two because neither on its own can do *everything*.. I
> *much* prefer the traditional UI with a proper menu bar (instead of a
> cog-wheel or three-lines icon) to access settings.
Take a look at the aforementioned thread on the 250 things you can do with
the Start > Run menu, and let us know what's missing that you need.
For example, we added a bright red admin prompt command, as one sample:
o Efficient Windows Admin command prompt of any color in any desired location
<https://alt.msdos.batch.narkive.com/0mQlFn8s/efficient-windows-admin-command-prompt-of-any-color-in-any-desired-location>
The whole point of that permanently archived thread is to allow people like
you to do what we researched (which took lots of time & energy) for you.
If you can't do something you need to do, then it's time to update those
threads, where I consider a thread a permanent reference which can be
updated as long as my news server has the article that I can respond to.
> Modern is too pared-down
> (and dumbed-down) for my liking. Microsoft made a very serious mistake with
> Win 8 in trying to make a tablet-style minimalist UI the default.
Agreed. Paul and I tried to wrest control over the damn tiles, where you
end up in binaries as you dig deeper, so I just gave up on both the Win10
right side (orthogonal) menu and the Win10 left side (alphabetical) menus.
In fact, we've discussed on this ng many related ways to make Win10
efficient and organized, some of which are summarized in this thread:
o Is this the most efficient way to access most-used folders & the entire file system with the LEAST amount of clutter?
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/e8etKofB/is-this-the-most-efficient-way-to-access-most-used-folders-the-entire-file-system-with-the-least>
> They
> should have made it much easier to switch between the two - "Make Windows 10
> look like all previous versions of Windows" versus "Use our new tablet-style
> UI", and that change should be one that can be made at any time on a
> per-user basis, not one that is system-wide and can only be configured at
> installation time.
Um... if you use what I suggest above, EVERY Windows version from about
Win95 to the latest Win10 can use the exact same menu folder.
It's what I do, so I know it works as I've been doing it for a decade or
two (I don't count how many years, and I do improve the organization over
time, but it's essentially the same for all Windows versions out there).
> But all that is a side issue to the problem with the graphics adaptor on VGA
> output. The only reason I use VGA / D-Sub is that my monitor has only one of
> each port (VGA, DVI, HDMI) and I like my main Win 7 PC on DVI to give the
> sharpest picture, with VGA for any other PC that I may connect temporarily
> (Win 10, Ubuntu), and HDMI for devices that *only* have an HDMI port (eg
> Raspberry Pi, on the rare occasions when I need to connect to it monitor and
> keyboard, because something is stopping me accessing it by Real VNC or
> PuTTY). I could get a KVM console switch, I suppose ;-)
Yes. I understand. I have graphics issues myself lately, as shown here:
o Windows 10 BSOD indicates a hardware problem - but what hardware is the problem?
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem>
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