On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 6:08:48 PM UTC-4, James wrote:
> On 06/15/2019 1:07 AM, Debra Dee McQueen Freeman wrote:
> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 9:45:34 PM UTC-4, James wrote
> >
> > a bunch of unbiblical JW crap
> > and blather as usual.
> >
> > The Holy Bible plainly teaches that there is both SPIRIT and SOUL,
> > AND that these two are bound together:
> >
> > HEBREWS 4
> > For the word of God [Old Testament scripture] is living and powerful
> > and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the point of
> > division between soul and spirit, and between the joints and bones
> > and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
> > There is no creature hidden from his sight; but all things are naked
> > and open before the eyes of him to whom we are to answer.
>
> Soul= personality
> Spirit= life force
WRONG, AS USUAL !!!!
SOUL = INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS + INDIVIDUAL WILL
SPIRIT = INDIVIDUAL PORTION OF SPIRIT GOD
> > 1 THESSALONIANS 5
> > May the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;
> > may your spirit and soul and body be preserved without blemish
> > to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> Spirit= life force
> soul = future life
WRONG, AS USUAL !!!!
SOUL = INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS + INDIVIDUAL WILL
SPIRIT = INDIVIDUAL PORTION OF SPIRIT GOD
THE RIGHTEOUS SPIRIT-SOULS WILL BE GLORIFIED.
THE WICKED SPIRIT-SOULS WILL NOT BE GLORIFIED.
PAUL DIRECTLY STATES THAT THE DISINCARNATE RIGHTEOUS DEAD
WILL BE GLORIFIED AND GATHERED TOGETHER TO THE AIR ABOVE
THE CLOUDS ABOVE MOUNT OLIVES FIRSTLY, AND THEN THE
INCARNATE RIGHTEOUS QUICK:
1 THESSALONIANS 4
Now I want you to know, my brethren, that you should not
grieve over those who are dead, as those do who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so those who have died in Jesus, God will bring with him
[when he makes his return or second coming by descending back to
Mount Olives whence he last ascended from it as prophesied by
the two angels in Acts 1 and as depicted in Zechariah 14 and Revelation 19].
For this we say to you by the very word of our Lord,
that we who are alive [quick / incarnate] and remain [on Earth]
until the coming of our Lord, shall not overtake those who are dead
[disincarnate / on other side in the unseen realm].
For our Lord Jesus himself shall descend from heaven,
with a shout and the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God;
and then those [disincarnate Spirit-Souls / dead] who died in Christ will
rise first [be glorified and gathered into the air above the clouds above
Mount Olives to be there to meet greet join Jesus as he continues his
descent back to Mount Olives whence he last ascended from it to effect
his return or second coming only this time for one thousand years straight].
And then we who are alive [quick / incarnate] and remain [on Earth]
shall be caught up together with them [the glorified and gathered
disincarnate righteous dead Spirit-Souls] in the clouds [above Mount Olives]
to meet our Lord in the air [above the clouds above Mount Olives],
and so shall we ever be with our Lord
[remaining there with him while all the lethal frightening cataclysms
occur to kill and or afflict the non-glorified non-gathered wicked
still alive on Earth, starting with the largest earthquake ever
(Revelation 6,16),
and then during an Evening Hour descending through the clouds
above Mount Olives with him,
and then alighting to Mount Olives with him,
and then helping to kill the non-glorified non-gathered wicked with him,
and then beginning the millennium of peace with him
by celebrating with a joyous feast called The Wedding Supper of the Lamb,
and then spending one thousand years straight on the Earth with him,
and then shortly later entering into heavenly etheric New Jerusalem with him
to spend eternity with him and GOD].
Therefore, comfort one another with these words.
RELIGIONIST SHEEPLE JW JAMES
CANNOT DISCERN ANY OF THIS.
HE LEFT HIS BRAIN AT THE DOOR
WHEN HE GAVE HIS SOUL TO THE JW.
> > Thus humankind are physical body + breath + Spirit-Soul,
> > and the Spirit-Soul is the actual individual or person or
> > entity or being, whereas the physical body and its breath
> > is just a temporary house of clay for the Spirit-Soul.
> >
> That is a human definition (Spirit-Soul), it is not in the Bible. There
> is a “spirit” and a “soul”. Not some weird combination.
YOU ARE AN EVIL LIAR.
HEBREWS 4 DIRECTLY STATES THAT SPIRIT AND SOUL ARE BOUND TOGETHER:
HEBREWS 4
For the word of God [Old Testament scripture] is living and powerful
and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the point of
division between soul and spirit, and between the joints and bones
and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
There is no creature hidden from his sight; but all things are naked
and open before the eyes of him to whom we are to answer.
A SPIRIT-SOUL IN A PHYSICAL BODY IS WHAT ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE
> > And all Spirit-Souls were created at once by GOD in the beginning
> > as his first creation, including that Spirit-Soul last incarnate
> > as Jesus of Nazareth which currently now sits at the right hand
> > of GOD in heaven:
>
> Yes, Jesus was a created being.
>
>
> > JAMES 1
> > Do not err, my beloved brethren: Every good and perfect gift is from
> above,
> > and comes down from the Father of light, with whom there is no
> variableness
> > nor shadow of turning. It is he who begot us of his own will with the
> word
> > of truth, that we should be the first fruits of his creatures.
>
> Those going to Heaven are the FIRST fruits. Guess who is the second
> fruits etc?
1.
IT DOES NOT SAY FIRST FRUITS, IT SAYS FIRST FRUITS OF HIS CREATURES.
2.
NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN EXCEPT GLORIFIED SPIRIT-SOUL JESUS.
HE WENT THERE TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR HIS PEOPLE,
AND THAT PLACE IS HEAVENLY ETHERIC JEW JERUSALEM,
WHICH WILL COME DOWN TO THE RIGHTEOUS SPIRIT-SOULS
THE DAY OF THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.
> > HEBREWS 2
> > Both Jesus, who sanctifies,
> > and those who are sanctified,
> > are all of one origin;
> > for this reason he is
> > not ashamed to call them brethren,
> > saying, I will declare thy name to my brethren;
> > in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee [Psalm 22:22]...
> > Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,
> > he also likewise partook of the same...
> > For he did not take on him the likeness of angels;
> > but he did take on him the offspring of Abraham.
> > Therefore, it was meet and proper that in every thing
> > he should resemble his brethren,
> > that he might be a merciful and faithful
> > high priest in the things of God,
> > to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
>
> Yes, they all have the same origin, Jehovah God. (or Yahweh or YHWH
BRETHREN MEANS SIBLING -
A SPIRIT-SOUL SAME AS EACH OF US.
SPIRIT-SOULS WERE GOD'S FIRST CREATION.
> > SEE IT SAYS HE **PARTOOK** OF FLESH AND BLOOD,
> > NOT THAT HE **WAS** FLESH AND BLOOD.
>
> It says the children partook of flesh and blood. (meaning they were all
> human)
WHAT partook? THE SPIRIT-SOUL !!
> Then for Jesus is says, “he also likewise partook of the same...”, thus
> Jesus was also a human.
WHAT partook? THE SPIRIT-SOUL last incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth !!
> > SAYS THE SAME THING HERE:
> >
> > HEBREWS 5
> > Even when he was clothed in the flesh,
> > he offered prayers and supplications,
> > with vehement cries and tears,
> > to him who was able to save him from death;
> > and verily he was heard.
>
> Yes he was 100% human. ( clothed in the flesh”)
LOL !!!!
100% SPIRIT-SOUL CLOTHED IN THE FLESH !!!!
> > SEE IT SAYS HE WAS **CLOTHED** IN THE FLESH,
> > NOT THAT HE **WAS** FLESH.
>
> But actually it says that at John 1:14 +:
>
> “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,“ (RSV)
JOHN 1
The Word [of God - spoken and written (OT)] became flesh
and dwelt among us [in the person of Jesus of Nazareth],
and we saw his [Jesus'] glory, a glory like that of
the first-born of the Father [Adam - his first incarnation],
full of grace and truth. John witnessed concerning him [Jesus]
and cried and said, This is the one about whom I said,
He is coming after me, and yet he is ahead of me,
because he was before me.
> -- Weymouth's New Testament
> Philippians 2:7 Nay, He stripped Himself of His glory, and took on Him
> the nature of a bondservant by becoming a man like other men.
Philippians 2 is questionable - a forge or mistranslation;
Jesus DID NOT consider himself equal to GOD but said on
more than one occasion that GOD is greater than him:
PHILIPPIANS 2
Reason this within you which Jesus Christ also reasoned,
Who, being in the form of God, did not
consider it robbery to be equal with God;
but made himself of no reputation and took upon himself
the form of a servant and was in the likeness of men;
and, being found in the form of a man, he humbled himself
and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross.
> -- New King James
> Hebrews 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and
> blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He
> might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
>
> I think I see what you are getting at. Are you saying he was still a
> powerful spirit being but just put (or was given by God) on a human
> body, similar to like the angels many times did?
That Spirit-Soul last incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth,
currently sitting at the right hand of GOD in heaven,
had numerous previous lifetimes, starting with Adam,
and including Melchizedek. When Melchizedek, was not
born to a woman, had no mother nor father, but was
instantly materialized in human form; same with some
other characters in Old Testament but by GOD's will,
whereas the fallen Angels put on human form by solely
their own will and in order to conjugate with the
daughters of men - experience sex - which resulted in
extremely tall very violent progeny which led to GOD
bringing The Flood to wipe them out and chain those
fallen Angels in darkness unto judgment day so that
they are no longer active on Earth or anywhere
(2 Peter 2) (Jude 1).
> > SO WHAT PARTOOK, WAS CLOTHED?
>
> Jesus was a man, just like Adam was a man:
>
> -- Revised Standard
> 1 Corinthians 15:45 Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a
> living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
>
> Thus when Jesus was resurrected he became a “spirit” being.
ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE PHYSICAL BODY + BREATH + SPIRIT-SOUL.
WHEN THE SPIRIT-SOUL LEAVENS THE PHYSICAL BODY,
THAT IS WHEN THE PHYSICAL BODY NO LONGER EXERCISES ITS LUNGS
AND SO STOPS BREATHING AND BEGINS TO CORRUPT OR DETERIORATE.
WHEN SPIRIT-SOUL JESUS RESURRECTED BACK TO EARTH LIFE,
HE WAS AGAIN IN THE SAME PHYSICAL BODY ONLY NOW A GLORIFIED
SPIRIT-SOUL RATHER THAN JUST A SPIRIT-SOUL!
GOD GLORIFIED HIM AFTER HIS PHYSICAL BODY WAS CRUCIFIED
AND BEFORE HE RESURRECTED BACK TO EARTH LIFE IN THAT SAME PHYSICAL BODY -
WHICH GLORIFICATION HE IS CALLED THE FIRST-FRUIT OF,
AND THEN THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM AT HIS COMING (1 CORINTHIANS 15).
AS THE SPIRIT-SOUL IS CURRENTLY CONFIGURED,
IT IS AMENABLE TO DECREATION IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AKA HELL
BY ITS SEPARATION OF SOUL FROM SPIRIT.
ONLY THE RECONFIGURED OR REGENERATED OR GLORIFIED ARE NOT AMENABLE TO
DECREATION / DESTRUCTION IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AKA HELL OR ANY DESTRUCTION
(REVELATION 2) (REVELATION 20) (REVELATION 21).
> > THAT SPIRIT-SOUL THAT LEFT THAT CRUCIFIED BODY
>
> When Jesus died he 'went' to OT sheol and NT hades.
LOL !!!!
THEY BURIED HIS PHYSICAL BODY IN AN ABOVE GROUND SEPULCHER OR TOMB -
HE WAS NOT BURIED IN ANY GRAVE IN THE GROUND !!
ONLY THE RICH OR SPECIAL OR PRIVILEGED WERE LAIN IN AN ABOVE GROUND
SEPULCHER OR TOMB.
AND WHILE HIS PHYSICAL BODY LAY IN THAT ABOVE GROUND SEPULCHER OR TOMB,
SPIRIT-SOUL HE VISITED THE WICKED DEAD TO PREACH TO THEM AS HE HIMSELF
HAD PROPHESIED WOULD OCCUR [NOTE: JEWS BELIEVED DEAD WICKED SPIRIT-SOULS
WERE IN THE HEART OR CENTER OR INNER PARTS OF THE EARTH]:
MATTHEW 12
The Son of man will be three days...in the heart of the earth.
EPHESIANS 4
Wherefore it is said, He ascended on high and
took possession of heaven, and gave good gifts to men.
Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also
descended first into the inner parts of the earth?
So he that descended is the same also that ascended into heaven
that he might fulfill all things.
1 PETER 3 / 1 PETER 4
For Christ also once suffered for our sins, a just man for sinners,
that he might bring you to God, wherefore while he died in the flesh,
he lives in the Spirit.
And he preached to the souls imprisoned in Sheol,
Those who in the past were disobedient;
and in the days of Noah, when the Spirit of God had patience,
he commanded an ark to be made in the hope of their repentance,
but only eight souls entered into it and were saved by its
floating upon the water.../
For as much then as Christ has suffered for you in the flesh,
arm yourselves also with this very thought;
he who subdues his body ceases from all sin,
That he should no longer live the rest of his time in the flesh
to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
For the time past sufficed to have wrought the will of the pagans
when you lived in lasciviousness, drunkenness, revellings,
indecent singing, and worship of idols.
And behold, they think it strange that you do not indulge with them
in the past excesses, and they blaspheme against you.
And they shall answer to God, who is to judge the quick and the dead.
For, for this cause the gospel was preached also to those who are dead,
that they might be judged according to men in the flesh,
and live according to God in spirit.
> He gave his physical body for the ransom.
NO! HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR THE RANSOM,
IN HIS SHED BLOOD, WHICH RATIFIED THE NEW COVENANT
(NO COVENANT IS RATIFIED WITHOUT BLOOD; LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD):
MATTHEW 20
The Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister,
and to give his life a ransom for many.
> Since was all he had (physical body)
YOU ARE AN UNGODLY LIAR.
LUKE 23
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands
I commend my spirit; and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
> [1 Pet 4:1; 1 John 4:2], God had to
> resurrect him with another body. He gave Jesus a SPIRIT body.
LOL !!!!
IN LUKE 24 AND OTHER SCRIPTURES, RESURRECTED BACK TO EARTH LIFE JESUS
PROVED HE WAS NOT A GHOST / SPIRIT BY EATING BROILED FISH WITH SOME HONEY
AND ALSO SHOWING THE NAIL AND SPEAR PRINTS IN HIS HANDS FEET SIDE !!!!
SAME PHYSICAL BODY. GLORIFIED SPIRIT-SOUL HE ENTERED BACK INTO IT
AND REVIVIFIED IT AND THEN WALKED OUT OF THE TOMB IN IT.
> -- Revised Standard
> 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous
> for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death
> in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;
CRAP TRANSLATION.
THESE ARE MUCH BETTER; AND IS TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND BIRTH BY THE SPIRIT
(JOHN 3) - I.E. HIS SPIRIT-SOUL BEING GLORIFIED BY GOD:
King James Bible
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
American King James Version
For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
THIS IS THE SAME QUICKENING SPOKEN OF HERE:
ROMANS 8
If the Spirit of God who raised our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead
[i.e. back to Earth life] dwells within you, so God...will also quicken
your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells within you.
AND WHICH PAUL SPOKE OF IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15,
AND NUMEROUS OTHER VERSES TALK ABOUT:
WHEN THE SPIRIT-SOUL IS GLORIFIED,
IT THEN CAN MOVE MATERIALIZE DEMATERIALIZE AT WILL
AND HAS ALL POWER OVER MATTER AND SO CAN REVIVIFY
A PHYSICAL BODY AS JESUS DID OF HIS PHYSICAL BODY
LAIN IN THE SEPULCHER / TOMB.
THE PHYSICAL BODY OF A GLORIFIED SPIRIT-SOUL
CAN ALSO BE MADE TO EMIT LIGHT -
THE LIGHT THAT SHALL SHINE FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST
WHEN GLORIFIED JESUS AND THE NEWLY GLORIFIED RIGHTEOUS
BREAK THROUGH THE CLOUDS ABOVE MOUNT OLIVES AND
ALIGHT TO MOUNT OLIVES -
THE SAME LIGHT SPOKEN OF AS "GLORY" IN MANY SCRIPTURES -
GLORY MEANING BRILLIANT OR LUMINESCENT.
THIS IS WHY SCRIPTURE SAYS THEY WILL SHINE LIKE THE SUN
IN THE KINGDOM OF THEIR FATHER.
> Yes, God gave him a spirit body when resurrected.
NO. GOD DID NOT GIVE HIM ANY BODY. GOD GLORIFIED SPIRIT-SOUL HE,
AND THEN SPIRIT-SOUL HE ENTERED BACK INTO THE SAME PHYSICAL BODY
AND WALKED OUT OF THE TOMB - THE PHYSICAL BODY THAT ATE THE FISH
AND HONEY, AND THAT STILL HAD PRINTS FROM NAILS AND SPEAR.
> While in hades he was not conscious. (EC 9:5,10)
YOU ARE SATAN'S LIAR.
BIBLE SAYS HE WAS NOT ONLY CONSCIOUS
BUT PREACHED TO THE WICKED DEAD WHO WERE ALSO CONSCIOUS:
1 PETER 3 / 1 PETER 4
For Christ also once suffered for our sins, a just man for sinners,
that he might bring you to God, wherefore while he died in the flesh,
he lives in the Spirit.
And he preached to the souls imprisoned in Sheol,
Those who in the past were disobedient;
and in the days of Noah, when the Spirit of God had patience,
he commanded an ark to be made in the hope of their repentance,
but only eight souls entered into it and were saved by its
floating upon the water.../
For as much then as Christ has suffered for you in the flesh,
arm yourselves also with this very thought;
he who subdues his body ceases from all sin,
That he should no longer live the rest of his time in the flesh
to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
For the time past sufficed to have wrought the will of the pagans
when you lived in lasciviousness, drunkenness, revellings,
indecent singing, and worship of idols.
And behold, they think it strange that you do not indulge with them
in the past excesses, and they blaspheme against you.
And they shall answer to God, who is to judge the quick and the dead.
For, for this cause the gospel was preached also to those who are dead,
that they might be judged according to men in the flesh,
and live according to God in spirit.
> I believe I made my point, so I am going to stop it here. Please just
> think about the Scriptures presented and their applications.
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