1. On all matters, except the retention of platform planks, the election of Judicial Committee members, Party officers and at-large members of the National Committee, and the nomination of Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates, voting will be by either voice vote or rising vote. If any delegate objects to the Chair's ruling on the outcome of a voice vote, a rising vote shall be conducted. If 20 or more delegates object to the Chair's ruling on the outcome of a rising vote, a counted vote will be held.
I've always thought this should be a mathematical formula as a percentage of the body. When some of the number in bylaws and rules were set, it was prior to 2016 when we didn't have fully packed convention delegations. I was at the 2006 convention which had super-low attendance. Why not 5% or 10% of the delegates? If 10% don't even want to consider the amendment, does it have a snowball's chance in Hades of passing?
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If the percentage is set just like quorum, etc., it's not hard. Just an update to the credential report. 10% is X, majority is Y, 2/3rds is Z....
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I support a set number for a rising second. If we really want to limit frivolity, make it 50—or at least some amount larger than the largest single delegation.
There has been confusion at conventions sorting out the exact delegate count and shifting counts through the week. A percentage of that will also, therefore, be a shifting number.
A set number for a rising second allows certainty for the chair, the body and certainty for the person making the motion if they want to properly organize the seconding of their motion in advance.
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Here is the proposal form
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I personally prefer a solid number for simplicity (I liked 25), but my guess is that the delegates will want it to be a set percentage. I also think that we can use a percentage of the same numbers that are used to determine a quorum at the beginning of the day, like Ken suggested.
But I think it should be a fairly low percentage. If what we're looking for is about 20 or 25 people, and the average convention has about 1000 delegates, we should say maybe 2%.
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Ms. Arrowwood there is no text in your email.
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With a standing second at 25, the large delegations will get their motions much more easily (working in-house among friends) seconded than will the smaller delegations, which will have to team up with individuals outside their affiliation.
Can it be argued that the ability to achieve a second should be just as easy/difficult for all?
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Some states have much more than 50 Delegates such as
CA. TX. Can't remember for sure but most likely our Chair
would know.
1. The Chair may require any motion offered from the convention floor to be in writing, signed by the mover and submitted to the Secretary.
2. All original main motions and adhering amendments originating from the floor must receive a standing second in which 20 delegates rise and stand as seconds to the motion.
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