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Since there appears to be parliamentary shenanigans afoot, I am providing a less perfect alternative to consider as an alternative/amendment that falls within the same level of amendment that we are considering elsewhere. Attached.
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I would like to put it forward as another proposal, that should be considered if the first is ruled out of order or fails for some other technical reason.
I apologize, as I am definitely a bit frustrated. Not just with this proposal, but generally with how this committee has been going. In most committees I've been on, there's been an intentional push to create consensus. That does not appear to be the case with this committee. And it doesn't have to be; I just believe it makes for better proposals and more-functional boards.
As such, I put forward my proposals. And I put a lot of time and effort into trying to craft out a particular balance. This alternative does the same thing, but far less elegantly and will inherently require further amendment in 2026 -- just for the sake of being compliant with RONR.
IMO, this is where RONR detractors get their ammo. Notice is 100% on us to provide, which we have already declared an intent to provide better notice even though the bylaws do not currently require it. Members in convention should have the final say.
We have a mostly-new national board, based upon tossing out leadership what has not worked for 10, 25, 50 years. I think a similar change to bylaws may actually be favored by our current membership. Do they want the same basic structure that has failed us for 50 years, or do they want something different?
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I actually don't believe I would have that right, to bring it from the floor, if it is classified as a revision.
I would like to have it as a separate proposal. Based on how everything else has been going, I suspect the committee won't hear the actual debate on the original proposal. I would like to make my pitch. If the committee votes it down, then so be it.
The debate over the structure of the LNC has been on-going for decades. Changes have happened. At one time, we had 20 regions and (from what I can tell) no at-larges. Our method of electing At-Larges has changed. We've got another proposal to eliminate regional representatives altogether. There's been extra-conventional debate over the efficacy of larger boards versus the representation on smaller boards.
The system is rigged, yes, and therefore we must be willing and able to adapt to changes, or try new approaches, to get around that rigged game to the best of our ability. There's a 10-year cycle in this party. This is the 3rd iteration of the loop I've been in, and it's always the same; nothing new, just new faces. At some point, it feels a whole lot like Groundhog Day.
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I have seen the follow-up emails past Mr Latham's message, but to explain all of this in a meeting would be difficult as it relies on referencing specific words, phrases, and provisions in RONR, our bylaws, and our convention rules of order. If there is a good case for doing various forms of committee business on a mailing list, laying out sections of copy and pasted RONR/Bylaws/Rules with analysis is likely that case. This is argument specific to the point of order.
While LPCO may have considered this question, and it may bring forth good additional research, the national party's bylaws in particular are deficient in a number of ways that may otherwise affect the situation, which I outline in detail below.
TL;DR version:
The details:
Mr Latham is 100% correct, that a revision cannot come from the floor under RONR 12. Nothing in our bylaws authorizes otherwise.
RONR PREFACE
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Some of the other more important points of revision include the following:
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19. Requirement that a bylaws revision is in order only when prepared by a committee authorized to draft it (57:5).
RONR Section 57:5 General Revisions. Changes of the bylaws that are so extensive and general that they are scattered throughout the bylaws should be effected through the substitution of an entirely new set of bylaws, called a revision. Notice of such a revision is notice that a new document will be submitted that will be open to amendment fully as if the society were adopting bylaws for the first time. In other words, in the case of a revision, the assembly is not confined to to consideration of only the points of change included in the proposed revision as submitted by the committee that has drafted it. The revision can be perfected by first-degree and second-degree amendments, but as in the case of any other bylaw amendment, the old document is not pending; and therefore, while the revision can be rejected altogether, leaving the old bylaws intact, the old document cannot be altered with a view to retaining it in a changed form. Consideration of a revision of the bylaws is in order only when prepared by a committee that has been properly authorized to draft it, either by the membership or by an executive board that has the power to refer such matters to a committee.
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