On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 19:52:07 +0100
"Filippo Valsorda" <
fil...@ml.filippo.io> wrote:
> The timeline mismatch is a bit unfortunate, but what is the
> difference to security between a frozen log that's not producing new
> STHs (like Tuscolo2025h2 hasn't since last week) and an unavailable
> log?
>
> In both cases the log operator is asserting no new entries are being
> added to the log beyond those included in the final STH.
The difference is that a new monitor can't confirm that the final
STH doesn't contain unexpired certificates for domains that they're
interested in. (Unless they use BitTorrent to download the archive,
which I don't think is reasonable.)
In this case, the final STH doesn't contain any unexpired certificates,
so the unavailability can't actually lead to monitors missing
certificates. However, it will cause alarms in monitors whose policy
is to try to monitor any Qualified, Usable, or ReadOnly log, which will
blunt the security value of those alarms, which are meant to signal the
possibility that the monitor is missing certificates.
More broadly, this isn't the first time that a log was shut down before
it was Retired, and at some point the lack of coordination could lead to
trusted certificates being unavailable to monitors, depending on the
set of Retired logs at the time. Also, log operators have sometimes
mishandled shutdowns (e.g. [1] [2]) which caused issues that could have
been avoided if the logs were Retired on schedule.
> I don’t think today’s change requires any expedited change by Chrome.
I apologize for making this seem like an emergency, especially on a US
holiday; it certainly doesn't require any action today. I still think
it's pretty important for logs to be transitioned to Retired/Rejected
on or before their shutdown date. To that end, I suggest that Let's
Encrypt's logs be scheduled for retirement ahead of their February 28,
2026 shutdown.
> (If that’s wrong, we can bring this log back temporarily, in case that helps.)
If it's not too much trouble, it would help with not making monitors
alarm.
Regards,
Andrew
[1]
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/ct-policy/c/P5aj4JEBFPM/m/9AEcvY01EQAJ
[2]
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/ct-policy/c/W0GAdMRwZuA