Turn on "without the stats tool" stats collection

[Adrian Fish]

Hi all,

I think we should turn on stats collection in sites without the need
for the stats tool to be added to the site. Having to add the tool is
a throwback to the olden days of yore when we worried more about
backend load. Conversations uses the stats service to store and report
on conversations statistics, but it can be confusing when you don't
see any stats appearing because the stats tool hasn't been added.

So, we can set "collectEventsFor...@org.sakaiproject.sitestats.api.StatsUpdateManager.target=false"

and stats will be collected all the time in every site.

What do you think?

Adrian.

[Adam Marshall]

Totes agree!

Adam

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Hi all,


I think we should turn on stats collection in sites without the need
for the stats tool to be added to the site. Having to add the tool is
a throwback to the olden days of yore when we worried more about
backend load. Conversations uses the stats service to store and report
on conversations statistics, but it can be confusing when you don't
see any stats appearing because the stats tool hasn't been added.

So, we can set "collectEventsFor...@org.sakaiproject.sitestats.api.StatsUpdateManager.targ <mailto:collectEventsFor...@org.sakaiproject.sitestats.api.StatsUpdateManager.targ>et=false"

and stats will be collected all the time in every site.


What do you think?


Adrian.

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[Wilma Hodges]

+1 Great idea.

Having Stats collection on all the time would also avoid the problem that sometimes crops up where instructors all of a sudden decide they want to use Statistics, but they didn't activate the tool at the start of the term, so they don't get any data from the time before it was enabled.

Wilma

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Director of Training & eLearning Initiatives

Longsight, Inc.

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[Adrian Fish]

Exactly. It's always been a performance thing, I think. IMO we need
to deal with the performance issues if they crop up. On all the time
stats are the first stepping stone to built in analytics, if you ask
me. I've just merged a PR into master to turn them on all the time -
you can revert that behaviour by just setting a sakai property, if you
have local issues with performance.

[Charles Severance]

It *think* that if they are on by default - there also needs to be a process that cleans up data so databases don’t get too large. Something like expire data after 3-4 months automatically by default - which can be extended by a property.

Four months means it covers most classes and folks can extend if they like.

Just my $0.02.

/Cjicl

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[Matthew Jones]

From what I remember of this, the data that sitestats generated/aggregated wasn't too big of a problem but more of the size of the event log that continued to grow. There was an Event Log Purge quartz job that could be scheduled but ideally a school may want to just archive their event logs manually or use the external database properties. 

I think it's probably fine to have it run by default and from what I remember was efficient once it did the initial backfill (unless it was always running). But I also don't run any instances in production so 🤷.

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