You can download CAVO 2.7
Erik Visser
Saulo Rodrigues
Beautiful vision & enormous expectation! :-)
> You can download CAVO 2.7 preview-pic's from
> ftp://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27preview/
Best Regards,
Saulo
Rio - Brazil
Luis Felipe
from 2.5 to 2.6, JUST KIDDING. ;)
Luis Felipe, Mexico.
RPSoftware
this is most awaited moments.
just don't know if my 2 large apps will compile with it without error,
though.
--
Regards,
Rene J. Pajaron
RPSoftware
Philippines
www.rpsoftware.cdo.ph
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Luis Felipe
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> nice pics, they changed the VO Icon again? It was the best change they
made
> from 2.5 to 2.6, JUST KIDDING. ;)
>
OMG, They didnt!!!
Erik Visser
I think and hope (but do not know!) we will get errors, because the compiler
is better, recognises more problems so we will get better code.
Erik
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Brian
No, you can not download 2.7, but you can have a look at preview screen
shots. (Make sure to maxamize these in your borowser so you get a clear
image.)
I posted these preview pictures on our FTP site for a couple of reasons.
1. To give you a glimpse of the future of Visual Objects 2.7
(Work in progress)
2. For those who could not attend DevConUSA.
3. To use with our 2.7 pre-order form for 2.7 that should be posted next
week.on http://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27.htm
An explanation of the preview screen shots.
ftp://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27preview/vo_project_dialog.gif
This .gif is a screen shot of VO 2.7's new Project Dialog that comes up when
you start VO 2.7. Note this is the second instance of VO27 running on this
machine. The first instance of VO27 has a project call GrafX Sales tools
open, so, the second instance of VO2.7 shows the project as locked. It will
of course allow you to open any other project.
ftp://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27preview/vo27ExplorerSetup.gif
This gif is a screen shot of VO 2.7 Setup dialog. Some new ways of
displaying Classes and Methods in your repo browser have been added.
ftp://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27preview/vo27MultiRepo.gif
This is a screen shot of VO 2.7 showing three instances of VO running on the
same machine at the same time, with project open in each instance. The last
instance is my samples directory, running the very old To-Do list which will
be update by the time you get VO 2.7 in your hands.
Now back to work for me.
Brian
GrafX Software Development Tools.
RPSoftware
Aha! 2.7 will unmask lousy programmer <g>.
I hope so--I want to know how lousy am I.
--
Regards,
Rene J. Pajaron
RPSoftware
Philippines
www.rpsoftware.cdo.ph
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RPSoftware
Welcome back your VO NG <g>. Been here looking for 2.7 updates...
Hope 2.7 is on the door right now.
I fill up the order form you know what I can do! How to do it again. sorry
to bother you about this--I am not the usual guy who have plastic.
--
Regards,
Rene J. Pajaron
RPSoftware
Philippines
www.rpsoftware.cdo.ph
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ilias
wrote:
>Congratulations Erik,
>
>No, you can not download 2.7, but you can have a look at preview screen
>shots. (Make sure to maxamize these in your borowser so you get a clear
>image.)
>
>I posted these preview pictures on our FTP site for a couple of reasons.
>
>1. To give you a glimpse of the future of Visual Objects 2.7
>(Work in progress)
I would prefere a list of activities, thus i could evaluate how work
is going on, thus i can decide to change the tool, or to stay.
>2. For those who could not attend DevConUSA.
>3. To use with our 2.7 pre-order form for 2.7 that should be posted next
>week.on http://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27.htm
It's already there.
I thought about ordering now, but the design was not attractive to me,
thus i went back.
>
>An explanation of the preview screen shots.
>
> ftp://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27preview/vo_project_dialog.gif
[...]
> ftp://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27preview/vo27ExplorerSetup.gif
[...]
> ftp://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27preview/vo27MultiRepo.gif
[...]
Those images do not show any substantial work.
They do maybe a good job for catching some 2.7 pre-orders.
-
Isn't there any "developement-log" available?
Maybe with a section "low-priority-tasks" or "solution required"?
Thus a VO-enthusiast can contribute a little?
This (and of course an attractive web-site) would make me willing to
place a pre-order.
>Now back to work for me.
I saw on the webpage " 3rd party tools from 2.6 will also be included
in the VO 2.7 release."
Is GrafX aware, that they include 3rd party tools, which have an
unfinished state and additionally no support web-site?
GrafX should insist on a minimum service, or provide it itself. I
think any customer could expect this.
>Brian
>GrafX Software Development Tools.
There are VO-Subsystems which are unfinished, e.g. COM Automation
Server Support (the generator ignores Events). Why are those
Subsystems not Open-Sourced from GrafX?
richard townsend-rose, tdoc
Looks very nice. I like the method:class / class:method option.
presumably we can toggle back and forth.
Also you indicate that the included 3rd party propducts will rermain
the same, and presumabaly includng ReportPro2.11x
rgtr
Tracy Thomas
think the VO community is quite excited about the delivery of 2.7. Rock on!
Best Regards,
Tracy T.
Tracy Thomas
provide the better approach?
You felt inclined to reveal your preferences, perhaps you'll also provide us
a link to demonstrate your improved approach so that the entire community
can benefit from your expertise.
Regards,
TT
Brian
This will be my first and last posting to you. .
> I would prefere a list of activities, thus i could evaluate how work
> is going on, thus i can decide to change the tool, or to stay.
I would prefer if you stop posting on this forum, but we cant get what we
want.<g>
> I thought about ordering now, but the design was not attractive to me,
> thus i went back.
This is the best news I've had all day.<g>
> Those images do not show any substantial work
As with most of your abrasive postings, this statement points out one fact.
you have no idea about what your talking about..
> Is GrafX aware, that they include 3rd party tools, which have an
> unfinished state and additionally no support web-site?
> GrafX should insist on a minimum service, or provide it itself. I
> think any customer could expect this.
Please do us all a favor and go away. The third party has worked very hard
to deliver quality tools for VO 2.6 & 2.7 Your unfounded criticism of the
work
we are doing on VO 2.7 is one thing, However the criticism of the third
party is not to be tolerated. Please if you so unhappy .....go away.
Brian
Brian
> Looks very nice.
Thanks very much. I thought it might be a innovative way to convey
information about 2.7. Posting screens hoots of beta software is not
something most companies will do. Perhaps, now I know why<g>
>I like the method:class / class:method option presumably we can
> toggle back and forth
Yes of course.
> Also you indicate that the included 3rd party products will rermain
> the same, and presumabaly includng ReportPro2.11x
Yes, this is the current plan. It's too early for any more info than that.
Brian
Brian
> nice pics, they changed the VO Icon again? It was the best change they
>made from 2.5 to 2.6, JUST KIDDING. ;)
Glad you like the Screen shots. If it only was as easy as just changing the
Icon. Next thing you know some people will accuse me of making them
in Photoshop<G>
Brian
BTW, just in case its not occured to you Beta testers who are already using
these features are not free to comment on them because of their NDA's.
However here is just one comment from the beta forum.....
"Already I am seeing BIG productivity gains just from two
new features: being able to run the 2.7 IDE alongside either 2.6 or 2.5, and
the
ability to continue to use DLLs created with earlier versions of VO for work
I'm
testing in 2.7. (Although the only one I've tried so far is one from
Vo2Ado.)
This allows me for the very first time to test production-sized apps while
VO is
still in beta. Great job!"
Phil McGuinness
Excellent work and good timing as well.
3 Repos open at once and you can select any of them.
That is a great idea.. Often I have to switch to other repos and I have to
sort of remember what I was working on and come back. Now I will be able to
"be more productive".
It is also good timing with a letter arriving here from XBASE today and
discussing there split up of development and maybe a questionable future
reading between the lines. I am sure these developers will be encouraged to
see an Xbase language powering ahead.
I know VO is going to be working for me for many years to come and is still
the central part of our business and the user base will surely grow.
Phil McGuinness - Sherlock Software
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Ginny Caughey
I don't know about Photoshop, but Anders Vinberg did an entire keynote at
Technicon one year using Astound as I recall. He never said so during the
presentation though.
--
Ginny
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Tracy Thomas
directed at Brian, Grafxsoft, or the rest of the entire reasonable,
rational, helpful, supportive and constructive VO community.
Regards,
Tracy
Walt R. Jesse
It's inconceivable, how nauseating one single person can be.
An author who was born in NRW (NordRhein-Westfalen - a part of Germany
- Köln, Düsseldorf, Oberhausen etc. ) ca 1870, said about his own
people:
'This is a nation who know nothing, but can explain everything'
That's why I guess he's a German who lives in NRW
I think the best we all can do is ignore him. If he notices (I hope he
does) that he can not annoy anyone of us, he will voluntary leave this
NG.
You and your staff are doing a great job.
(What kind of perspectives we all would have now, if you did not have
had the courage to take over the development of Visual Objects.)
Regards
Walt
For all the other people who lives in NRW , there are also a lot of
normal persons out there but 'ilias' is certainly not such one.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:42:15 -0400, "Brian" <br...@grafxsoft.com>
wrote:
Marcos Nogueira
> 3. To use with our 2.7 pre-order form for 2.7 that should be posted next
> week.on http://www.grafxsoft.com/vo27.htm
If I remember correctly, those who have pre-ordered 2.6 would get an
automatic and free upgrade to 2.7. Am I right?
Marcos Nogueira
S. Paulo - Brazil
Marc
> thus i can decide to change the tool, or to stay.
Yes, you really should change to another tool.
-Marc-
Adriano Rui Gominho
Thanks for sharing this. Looking forward to order 2.7
Adriano
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:41:49 -0400, "Brian" <br...@grafxsoft.com>
wrote:
>Congratulations Erik,
Jamal
Don't bother with that person! All he does here is criticize without
thinking and contribute nothing!
Jamal
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ilias
<atth...@btconline.net> wrote:
>Perhaps you can offer a URL to your sales and pre-order website that will
>provide the better approach?
I'm not the right comparision, as i'm not a language manufacturer.
>
>You felt inclined to reveal your preferences, perhaps you'll also provide us
>a link to demonstrate your improved approach so that the entire community
>can benefit from your expertise.
But there are others:
http://www.metrowerks.com/mw/default.htm
or (more in the category of GrafX)
http://www.alaska-software.com/index.html
-
compare the above with this:
(notice: the rotating "X", at top, the CreditCards at buttom)
notice: contrariety "GrafXSoft" (this with the funny rotating "X") and
"GrafX" in the splash screen of VO.
-
Suggestions?.
Apply the basics of "Corporate Identity".
Remove animations.
Remove the "VISA/MASTERCARD/AMEX" grafics at the buttom.
Reduce Font Size.
Use unique Font (see nice example here:)
http://www.metrowerks.com/mw/default.htm
-
>Regards,
>
>TT
>
ilias
wrote:
>Ilias, Or who ever you are.
My name is "ilias".
>This will be my first and last posting to you. .
This sounds not very friendly..
>> I would prefere a list of activities, thus i could evaluate how work
>> is going on, thus i can decide to change the tool, or to stay.
>
>I would prefer if you stop posting on this forum, but we cant get what we
>want.<g>
faulty comparision.
-
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=gjhvgv8lc63q03ph6gdo4av7kn9r4m164f%404ax.com
{no secret status anymore}
Publishing know issues/bugs and status reports.
This should be done immediately (for VOx.xx), and not as a promise for
VO2.7 after releasing it.
>> I thought about ordering now, but the design was not attractive to me,
>> thus i went back.
>
>This is the best news I've had all day.<g>
I am wondering about this comment.
I am an owner of a CAVO2.6 licence.
Is this now "bad news" for GrafX?
>> Those images do not show any substantial work
>
>As with most of your abrasive postings,
I extract, that you've read most of my (abrasive or not) postings.
>this statement points out one fact.
Facts are nice.
>you have no idea about what your talking about..
I know exactly what i'm talking about.
-
"The images do not show any substantial work"
Of course i can argue, although i think GrafX should know what i mean
and that i'm right.
I think many readers, which are not blinded by a few images and their
own enthusiasm, know what i mean, too.
-
"I would prefere a list of activities..."
simply to achieve the goal:
{no secret status anymore}
>> Is GrafX aware, that they include 3rd party tools, which have an
>> unfinished state and additionally no support web-site?
>
>> GrafX should insist on a minimum service, or provide it itself. I
>> think any customer could expect this.
>
>Please do us all a favor and go away.
Please speak for yourself.
GrafX is supported by many people of the community in a way that they
would follow GrafX blindly.
Something like religion. Maybe dependency. Perheps a sub-form of
'idiotism'. I Don't know.
What i know is:
if there's just a 1% of the community, which would not follow GrafX
blindly then...
...i have a reason to stay.
...you have a reason to suppress such statements ("Please do us all a
favor and go away").
>The third party has worked very hard to deliver quality tools for VO 2.6 & 2.7
How does GrafX assure the quality ot those tools?
Maybe: "They worked very hard, thus the quality is good"?
What is your QA-Process for 3rd-Party tools?
-
I can speak for one 3rd-party product: COMSDK.
I have nothing against the authors of this product.
I decouple fully: "the authors" from "the product"
The product: "a 3rd-party-product, which does a a task, which the
main-product does not support (directly, with low effort)".
I've 'worked hard' and lost very much time with this
3rd-party-product, until i realize that GrafX(!) operates on a
semi-professional level, without any QA.
I could assume this 'discussion' at GrafX: "yes, it's unfinished, but
we have no COM AutomationServer Event Support, thus include this for
now and we will see."
But i don't like assumptions.
-
Some remarks to COMSDK:
http://www.abeon.com/usenet/comp/lang/clipper/visual-objects/comsdk.html
>Your unfounded criticism of the work we are doing on VO 2.7 is one thing,
My criticism is founded.
I criticize the "making noise with some screen-shots, whilst
forgetting the essence"
I criticize the "secret status".
I criticize the "lack of QA".
>However the criticism of the third party is not to be tolerated.
Of course it is to be tolerated.
This small community will not (and can not) change rules of democracy.
My criticism does not violated those rules.
What about your statements?
-
Additionally:
It is not the fault of the third-parties, that GrafX has a lack of QA.
I criticize mainly GrafX, not e.g COMSDK authors.
>Please if you so unhappy .....go away.
If someone has to high requirements,
declare him unhappy,
and sent him away.
-
I must say:
The statement "Please if you so unhappy .....go away." is neither of a
professional nor of a semi-professional.
It is the statement of an amateur.
Maybe GrafX is playing in the wrong league.
ilias
-
Isn't there any "developement-log" available?
Maybe with a section "low-priority-tasks" or "solution required"?
Thus a VO-enthusiast can contribute a little?
-
Is GrafX aware, that they include 3rd party tools, which have an
unfinished state and additionally no support web-site?
[e.g.: the COMSDK
http://www.abeon.com/usenet/comp/lang/clipper/visual-objects/comsdk.html
]
-
Jamie Macleod
> Maybe GrafX is playing in the wrong league.
>
Maybe your an idiot.
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Gary Stark
Brian wrote:
> Ilias, Or who ever you are.
>
> This will be my first and last posting to you. .
Bravo!
> > I would prefere a list of activities, thus i could evaluate how work
> > is going on, thus i can decide to change the tool, or to stay.
>
> I would prefer if you stop posting on this forum, but we cant get what we
> want.<g>
I suspect there's a song title somewhere in there ... :)
> > Those images do not show any substantial work
>
> As with most of your abrasive postings, this statement points out one fact.
> you have no idea about what your talking about..
Indeed. Although perhaps he's using 2.8 as his point of comparison? WHich if
course would be a further confirmation of your statement.
> > Is GrafX aware, that they include 3rd party tools, which have an
> > unfinished state and additionally no support web-site?
Is Ilias aware of the arrogance and ignorance he's displaying here?
> > GrafX should insist on a minimum service, or provide it itself. I
> > think any customer could expect this.
>
> Please do us all a favor and go away. The third party has worked very hard
> to deliver quality tools for VO 2.6 & 2.7 Your unfounded criticism of the
> work
> we are doing on VO 2.7 is one thing, However the criticism of the third
> party is not to be tolerated. Please if you so unhappy .....go away.
And so say all of us!
--
g.
Gary Stark
gst...@RedbacksWeb.com
http://RedbacksWeb.com
Gary Stark
Brian wrote:
> Richard,
>
> > Looks very nice.
>
> Thanks very much. I thought it might be a innovative way to convey
> information about 2.7. Posting screens hoots of beta software is not
> something most companies will do. Perhaps, now I know why<g>
Indeed. You try to do something nice, provide some information, and get shot
down by the idiot fringe.
I think that much of the time Ilias opens his mouth is so he can change feet.
> >I like the method:class / class:method option presumably we can
> > toggle back and forth
>
> Yes of course.
Excellent. I noticed this aspect too; looks great!
And the ability to select a project on the way in is nice too. Any more
screenshots of any other changes ?
> > Also you indicate that the included 3rd party products will rermain
> > the same, and presumabaly includng ReportPro2.11x
>
> Yes, this is the current plan. It's too early for any more info than that.
Fair enough.
It looks to me like good progress is being made, Ilias notwithstanding. Maybe
we should all contribute towards buying him a copy of VB? <g>
Drs. D.J.W. van Kooten
wrote:
>Thanks very much. I thought it might be a innovative way to convey
>information about 2.7. Posting screens hoots of beta software is not
>something most companies will do. Perhaps, now I know why<g>
Hello Brian,
I hardly dare to ask it, as our "person non grata" raised the
question, more or less..., but I'll do:
Would it be possible to publish a list of changes - probably compared
to the top 10 and bug reports of users? I can imagine with so many
people reporting not everything could be addressed. (For me, my main
problem is the DHTML which does not work in 2.6 as it drags all
keyboard input to it. This is more important for me than opening
several repros at once, which I like too, by the way. Is that problem
solved?)
Second, many users use ReportPro. I think the majority of the users
would like a major update of this software and are willing to pay for
that. Is there any chance you can get DataPro (or any other party)
prepared to make that update? I raised that question earlier in this
NG but DataPro did not react. From past experience, I know they had an
excellent support.
Dick van Kooten
Gary Stark
Tracy Thomas wrote:
I certainly understood that, and I would expect that most of the VO
community would be astute enough to recognse that as well. However, I
think it's good that posted this clarification.
And yes, I support the comments you directed at Ilias too.
Gary Stark
Jamie Macleod wrote:
> >
> > Maybe GrafX is playing in the wrong league.
> >
>
> Maybe your an idiot.
Rhetorical question on your part? <g>
Gary Stark
> Would it be possible to publish a list of changes - probably compared
From what I've seen so far - Paul and Robert displayed the progress at the
Oz Devcon in April - there are many changes.
Also, remember that 2.7 will be built using a new compiler and much
tighter compiler settings. That augers well for 2.7, but I think it also
mandates that the list of changes will (effectively) be in the 1000s. I'm
certainly looking forward to seeing it when it's ready.
> Second, many users use ReportPro. I think the majority of the users
> would like a major update of this software and are willing to pay for
> that. Is there any chance you can get DataPro (or any other party)
I too would supprt this action. I think the best option would be for Larry
to sell the basic 2.x source to either Brian to enable him to provide the
updates, or else to sell the source to those who wish to buy it.
But the decision is one for Larry to make, not Brian. We need to somehow
convince Larry ...
Geoff Schaller
"Marcos Nogueira" <mar...@arenainformatica.com.br> wrote in message
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ilias
wrote:
>Luis,
>
>> nice pics, they changed the VO Icon again? It was the best change they
>>made from 2.5 to 2.6, JUST KIDDING. ;)
>
>Glad you like the Screen shots. If it only was as easy as just changing the
>Icon. Next thing you know some people will accuse me of making them
>in Photoshop<G>
>
>Brian
>
>BTW, just in case its not occured to you Beta testers who are already using
>these features are not free to comment on them because of their NDA's.
NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement.
Do you really speak about VO here?
Or do you speak about the new core-developement-language for NASA /
FBI / CIA?
I don't believe this.
What about this here?:
{no secret status anymore} ?
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=gjhvgv8lc63q03ph6gdo4av7kn9r4m164f%404ax.com
-
You should make the beta publically available.
Or at minimun to registred VO users.
And of course without any NDA.
Cause another meaning is: NDA = No Democracy Available
Thus users / betatesters have freedom.
They can SCREAM OUT their oppinion.
They can discuss about it.
They can detect design faults.
They can decide.
-
Beta should be available to all registred VO[x.xx] users.
No need to sign an NDA !
User can decide based on a real beta if he likes VO2.7 developement.
After that, a user can support developement by placing a pre-order.
This is called: fairplay!
-
>However here is just one comment from the beta forum.....
[...]
beta-forum, should have at minimum read-only access for all registred
VO[x.xx] users.
{no secret status anymore}
transparency.
Geoff Schaller
Unfortunately you don't seem to live the real world. At least not one in
which commercial products are involved. I was involved with the last VO Beta
and willingly signed and NDA. These are important instruments necessary to
protect the integrity of the beta process. It is important to control the
devleopment of products tightly and control what is said less
misinterpretation or misguided actions spoil the process. And yes, in the
real world, that really happens. NDAs are common with all serious products,
within the IT industry and out. What do you do for a living? Do you have any
commercial product experience? Do you have some other motive to declare?
Geoff
Igor Kaliniak
Thanks, I'm sure it works just as looks.
Hoping that you will read the answers... May I ask you to open (-to-modify) some
sources in System library. At least Unformat() function, and related ones.
The reason: there are many data types for which we haven't equivalent
types/controls in VO. We can write controls, but types... Timestamps, for
example. The natural way is
define ADODATETIMETYPE := "XA"
(say 2-letters beginning from "X" are users types)
Then I add conversion to the Unformat() in situ, create
class AdoDateTimeFS inherit FieldSpec
and that's all.
Now for using AdoDateTimeEdit I have been forced to customize
Gather/Scatter/Value/FieldPut methods and maybe something else which I forget.
This is too complex way.
Igor
Igor Kaliniak
Patrick Vletter (Prive)
> What i know is:
>
> if there's just a 1% of the community, which would not follow GrafX
> blindly then...
>
> ...i have a reason to stay.
Last night i've done some statistical analyses of the whole VO-community
(Brian gave me a list of all the customers he knows and I called about 85%
of them on the phone. Tried to call you too, but "Ilias" was not listed in
the book) and 99.7% decided to follow Grafx blindly!!
Now stick to your promise and leave!
Patrick
Lars-Eric Gisslén
You don't seems to have to much experience in this area.
Last January Microsoft invited me to an internal conference in Seattle (they
also covered all my costs). When I arrived I had to sign an NDA and also had
show an ID card before they let me sign it. I can assure you it was not any
secret FBI/CIA software in that conference. I think even you know it's just
to protect intellectual properties from competitors. I've been participating
in several Beta programs for different products and also signed several
NDA's so it's almost a practice in the software industry to have NDA's.
I bet all knows Microsoft has public Beta's but long before the products
become a public Beta it has passed several Beta stages at selected sites. We
are one of those sites and we have signed NDA's several times.
Regards,
Lars-Eric
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:tfq3iv4vp2a4u6k37...@4ax.com...
Geoff Schaller
I don't follow your logic re data type management. You can write your own
data type converters. In fact, if you have the source code to VO2ADO you can
even copy Robert's. I don't see this as any particular imposition and its no
different to C#, Delphi or C++. Deal with foreign apps/languages and there
will always be a data type conversion issue. Its life.
Geoff
Ed Ratcliffe
Interesting as Ilias claims in a prior message here to be the owner of a
licensed copy of CAVO 2.6.
I wonder who's!
Ed
Igor Kaliniak
Well, let me explain more carefully. There are (at least) two ways to realize
non-existing data objects.
1st, which I use now.
a) We read some data object from server.
b) Then we convert it to the some value which exist in VO, and control holds
this converted value.
c) We format this value to show/edit.
And vice versa, unformat, convert, save.
2nd, what I want
a) We read data object.
b) Control holds this object, and we avoid the conversion.
c) Formatting (which in any case include some kind of conversion).
To realize this way, all what I need is possibility to modify the formatting
functions in the System library.
Say "Pro", Geoff. You can win say non-ugly [Ado]Date[Time]Edit classes<g>
Igor
Chris Pyrgas
> If I remember correctly, those who have pre-ordered 2.6 would get an
> automatic and free upgrade to 2.7. Am I right?
>
i think it was said that there would only be a special price...
but either way i feel that i'm fooling the developers by
paying only $150 to get a much better (as it seems it will be)
version of the tool i use to earn my living...
regards,
Chris Pyrgas
Patrick Vletter (Prive)
Book as in Phonebook.
It was of course quiet some work to call all these people all over the world
and find their phonenumbers on the Internet...
HTH's <BG>
Patrick
"Ed Ratcliffe" <elrat...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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ilias
wrote:
>Richard,
>
>> Looks very nice.
>
>Thanks very much. I thought it might be a innovative way to convey
>information about 2.7. Posting screens hoots of beta software is not
>something most companies will do. Perhaps, now I know why<g>
Hopefully you know now.
Just to be sure:
They don't, as they post the beta itself.
Thus e.g. a customer can contribute and e.g. decide about a
pre-release-order.
-
Some companies post only screen-shots, e.g. to boost
pre-release-sales.
And keep the beta's under NDA, thus maximum control is guaranteed.
Additionally, "Non-Disclusure-Agreement" sounds very important.
Pick a little "NDA",
add a little "DevCon",
ignore the "State-Of-The-Art" (hopefully the community assists),
...you have a world class product...
...from "a world leader in the distribution of specialized database
application development tools"
source: http://www.cavo.com/news/press/vo26.asp
-
I've see many marketing 'jokes'.
But this one is one of the finest.
[...]
>>I like the method:class / class:method option presumably we can
>> toggle back and forth
>
>Yes of course.
'Cosmetics'.
This 'feature' is even not worth the time of discussing it, when
evaluated in the whole context (situation of VO2.6).
GrafX should focus on making the cores stable.
They should focus on add the missing functionality on the programing
level, thus the product reaches "State-Of-The-Art".
I think anyone would prefere the same GUI, but with a stable core and
with some additional functionality.
>> Also you indicate that the included 3rd party products will rermain
>> the same, and presumabaly includng ReportPro2.11x
>
>Yes, this is the current plan. It's too early for any more info than that.
It looks that concentrating on creating a highly configurable GUI on
an instable and incomplete core needs many resources.
Thus there's no time to focus on the issues which are the real pain
for some developers.
>
>Brian
>
>
>
Ed Ratcliffe
Brian would know if he has a registered user with first name Ilias....
Too bad Brian was placed in a position where he had to be rude to a
potential sale, but having been in retail sales myself, I can understand and
approve.
Ed
trollwatcher
Bulat Baltin
Whatever your reasons were, whatever your meaning was, I never heard
the WORST accusations to German people, well, at least NOT since Roman
invasion,... well, I mean THAT one...
You have to, no, you must apologize to our German comrades-in-VO for
such insinuations.
Bulat Baltin.
Walt R. Jesse <wje...@free.fr> wrote in message news:<jfa2ivsi078room82...@4ax.com>...
> Bravo, Brian
>
> It's inconceivable, how nauseating one single person can be.
>
> An author who was born in NRW (NordRhein-Westfalen - a part of Germany
> - Köln, Düsseldorf, Oberhausen etc. ) ca 1870, said about his own
> people:
>
> 'This is a nation who know nothing, but can explain everything'
>
> That's why I guess he's a German who lives in NRW
> I think the best we all can do is ignore him. If he notices (I hope he
> does) that he can not annoy anyone of us, he will voluntary leave this
> NG.
>
> You and your staff are doing a great job.
> (What kind of perspectives we all would have now, if you did not have
> had the courage to take over the development of Visual Objects.)
>
> Regards
>
>
> Walt
>
> For all the other people who lives in NRW , there are also a lot of
> normal persons out there but 'ilias' is certainly not such one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:42:15 -0400, "Brian" <br...@grafxsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Ilias, Or who ever you are.
> >
> >This will be my first and last posting to you. .
> >
> >> I would prefere a list of activities, thus i could evaluate how work
> >> is going on, thus i can decide to change the tool, or to stay.
> >
> >I would prefer if you stop posting on this forum, but we cant get what we
> >want.<g>
> >
> >> I thought about ordering now, but the design was not attractive to me,
> >> thus i went back.
> >
> >This is the best news I've had all day.<g>
> >
> >> Those images do not show any substantial work
> >
> >As with most of your abrasive postings, this statement points out one fact.
> >you have no idea about what your talking about..
> >
> >> Is GrafX aware, that they include 3rd party tools, which have an
> >> unfinished state and additionally no support web-site?
>
> >> GrafX should insist on a minimum service, or provide it itself. I
> >> think any customer could expect this.
> >
> >Please do us all a favor and go away. The third party has worked very hard
> >to deliver quality tools for VO 2.6 & 2.7 Your unfounded criticism of the
> >work
> >we are doing on VO 2.7 is one thing, However the criticism of the third
> >party is not to be tolerated. Please if you so unhappy .....go away.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >> >Brian
> >> >GrafX Software Development Tools.
> >>
trollwatcher
ilias <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message news:<7ol2ivcg5bgqkl445...@4ax.com>...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 06:52:20 -0400, "Tracy Thomas"
> <atth...@btconline.net> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps you can offer a URL to your sales and pre-order website that will
> >provide the better approach?
>
> I'm not the right comparision, as i'm not a language manufacturer.
>
> >
> >You felt inclined to reveal your preferences, perhaps you'll also provide us
> >a link to demonstrate your improved approach so that the entire community
> >can benefit from your expertise.
>
>
> But there are others:
>
> http://www.metrowerks.com/mw/default.htm
>
> http://www.borland.com/
>
> or (more in the category of GrafX)
>
> http://www.alaska-software.com/index.html
>
> -
>
> compare the above with this:
>
> http://www.grafxsoft.com/
>
> (notice: the rotating "X", at top, the CreditCards at buttom)
>
> notice: contrariety "GrafXSoft" (this with the funny rotating "X") and
> "GrafX" in the splash screen of VO.
>
> -
>
> Suggestions?.
>
> Apply the basics of "Corporate Identity".
>
> Remove animations.
>
> Remove the "VISA/MASTERCARD/AMEX" grafics at the buttom.
>
> Reduce Font Size.
>
> Use unique Font (see nice example here:)
> http://www.metrowerks.com/mw/default.htm
>
> -
>
> >Regards,
> >
> >TT
> >
Doug Brong
people about 2400 yrs ago.
Jamie Macleod
--
Geoff Schaller
so I still don't see your problem. It seems to me that VO has it covered!
Geoff Schaller
> You have to, no, you must apologize to our German comrades-in-VO for
> such insinuations.
<BG> ... I don't think so. I'm an Aussie of German heritage and my ancestors
come from Ilmenau and Jena. You want insults? Hear what the more "west"
Germans have to say about their more "east" counterparts <g>. But honestly
Bulat, It wasn't meant in that context - it was from the context of a single
person .... and he is factually correct <g>.
Geoff
Geoff Schaller
and it is in a stage of testing. So what does the "new" user make of bugs?
Does he/she assess the validity of the product based on what they see? No.
beta software should be released and controlled to those who will contribute
actively to the product. It is not a marketing tool and anyone using beta
releases as a marketing tool obviously has little faith in their product.
The other problem with wide release of beta is that you cruel your own
market place. Its relatively easy to hack the date bombs and before you know
it, everyone has a free copy.
Geoff
Gary Stark
> Germans have to say about their more "east" counterparts <g>. But honestly
> Bulat, It wasn't meant in that context - it was from the context of a single
> person .... and he is factually correct <g>.
But that's only if you consider him to be a person. I don't.
:{)}
Walt R. Jesse
Did you also read the last two lines ?
> For all the other people who lives in NRW , there are also a lot of
> normal persons out there but 'ilias' is certainly not such one.
Believe me, I know the Germans, I lived 13 years there
(but not in NRW <BG>)
Regards
Walt
Geoff Schaller
attempt at humour. Not that its humour. Its very transparent.
"Gary Stark" <3071...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote in message
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Gary Stark
Geoff Schaller wrote:
> ...and he's a sicko getting sicker. I hope no-one responds to his latest
I'm not sure that he's got any sense of humour at all.
Come to think of it, I'm rather convinced that he has no sense at all.
Igor Kaliniak
> Ok... you can do both these things right now (that's what Usual is for...)
> so I still don't see your problem. It seems to me that VO has it covered!
Hope I can. At least I did it for AdoDateTime objects and my AdoDateTimeEdit
control. The problem is much more substantional. To realize some new feature
(data object, control, ...) in VO we need to modify sometimes a dozens
SDK-methods. This is absolutely abnormal both for work in team and for language
in general. Actually we (will?) have a situation in which everyone uses own
VO-dialect (the greatest one is Classmate, I think). Another problem with
similar consequences is the message reflection. I really hope that Reflection
properties (command, notify, and m.b. color) will be added to the control class.
Igor
Ok is Vote for, isn't it?
Bulat Baltin
Yes, yes, I read and after consulting history books I felt that my
notion of Roman invasion was as well too far-fetched one.
Now I wonder about that 19-th century guy of yours. You see, his
phrase resembles me the ones of English author Oscar Wilde, who, for
example, wrote something like
"Modern people know the price of everything and value of nothing"
(Sorry, for possible imprecision).
Another good quotation of his is ( very relevant to this thread, so
it should not be considered off-topic )
"To be popular one must be a mediocrity."
Regards,
Bulat Baltin.
P.S. Is it a must to set all <G>s and <BG>s?
Walt R. Jesse <wje...@free.fr> wrote in message news:<eri6ivcd5d7emqkja...@4ax.com>...
Walt R. Jesse
wrote:
>> Did you also read the last two lines ?
>
>Yes, yes, I read and after consulting history books I felt that my
>notion of Roman invasion was as well too far-fetched one.
>
>Now I wonder about that 19-th century guy of yours. You see, his
>phrase resembles me the ones of English author Oscar Wilde, who, for
>example, wrote something like
>
>"Modern people know the price of everything and value of nothing"
>(Sorry, for possible imprecision).
>
>Another good quotation of his is ( very relevant to this thread, so
>it should not be considered off-topic )
>
>"To be popular one must be a mediocrity."
>
>Regards,
>Bulat Baltin.
>P.S. Is it a must to set all <G>s and <BG>s?
No, only if it's a bit funny, you cannot write a smile...<VBG>
Regards
Walt
Geoff Schaller
You've lost me completely. I have no idea what you are getting at.
> Hope I can. At least I did it for AdoDateTime objects and my
AdoDateTimeEdit
Great! See what I mean. So far, so good.
> control. The problem is much more substantional. To realize some new
feature
> (data object, control, ...) in VO we need to modify sometimes a dozens
> SDK-methods. This is absolutely abnormal both for work in team and for
language
So here you have lost me. What you "seem" to be suggesting is that in order
to add a new data type and thus use it throughout the language (ie the GUI
classes etc), lots of methods would need to be modified to accept the new
data type. Well I don't think so. But far from needing new data types (the
language is stable as it is), things like ADO that deal with such things...
well... they deal with such things. The rest of the language base is quite
secure. You could, for example, introduce your own date/time object and deal
with it in the language where its needed.... and that is not often. One or
two base Fieldget/put type things I guess. But gee... take a look at VO2ADO
and you will see just that. What new data types do we need that we can't
deal with now? Can you introduce new data types to C++? To Delphi? To
FoxPro? To C#? Is this what you are saying? That you want something other
language bases don't provide?
> in general. Actually we (will?) have a situation in which everyone uses
own
> VO-dialect (the greatest one is Classmate, I think). Another problem with
Whoa-up there pard'ner! This would be tragic! Its bad enough having
ClassMate out there, which has now totally outlived its usefulness, but to
have multiple versions of VO's GUI classes is 100% counter-productive. .Net
will be next "dialect"... or CULE or something like that but then you have
successfully split the language. Two dialects will be enough: I see reason
for both, but to have individual versions? That's sheer nonsense.
> similar consequences is the message reflection. I really hope that
Reflection
> properties (command, notify, and m.b. color) will be added to the control
class.
Reflections? What do you mean?
...and Notify on a control? What on earth for? But of course if you are
wanting your control to be responding to a server then I guess you can do
this now but I have no idea what you mean by these "features".
Geoff
Igor Kaliniak
> So here you have lost me. What you "seem" to be suggesting is that in order
> to add a new data type and thus use it throughout the language (ie the GUI
> classes etc), lots of methods would need to be modified to accept the new
> data type. Well I don't think so. But far from needing new data types (the
> language is stable as it is), things like ADO that deal with such things...
No, nein, ... I don't want new types in VO (esp. complex ones, although int64
and unicode would be great). It is server provides new data types, eg GUIDs,
Currencies, Int64s, FileTimes, Timestamps... Sometimes we need use them, yes?.
Ok, let see the example how we do it in Robert's Vo2Ado Help, AdoDateTime Class.
Now you ultimately must use Notify and Commit everytime in every owner (NB -
remember reflection) window. Thereas I simply put SLE (in WED!) inherited from
AdoDateEdit, and voila tout!
> well... they deal with such things. The rest of the language base is quite
> secure. You could, for example, introduce your own date/time object and deal
> with it in the language where its needed.... and that is not often. One or
> two base Fieldget/put type things I guess. But gee... take a look at VO2ADO
No, it is not enough, absolutely. Returning to my prev. post, 1st way needed
these scatters etc, 2nd which I want, requires unformat() modification. Well, I
have another idea, m.b. more simple to realize by VO-team:
class Control
protect pfnUnformat as ptr // initially @Unformat()
method RegisterUnformat(pfnNewUnformat) class Control
if pfnNewUnformat = NULL
self:pfnUnformat := @Unformat()
else
self:pfnUnformat := pfnNewUnformat
endif
and using this pfn everythere (in dll-sources) instead of explicit Unformat().
> and you will see just that. What new data types do we need that we can't
> deal with now? Can you introduce new data types to C++? To Delphi? To
> FoxPro? To C#? Is this what you are saying? That you want something other
> language bases don't provide?
Answer is above: "I don't want new types..."
>
> > in general. Actually we (will?) have a situation in which everyone uses
> own
> > VO-dialect (the greatest one is Classmate, I think). Another problem with
>
> Whoa-up there pard'ner! This would be tragic! Its bad enough having
> ClassMate out there, which has now totally outlived its usefulness, but to
> have multiple versions of VO's GUI classes is 100% counter-productive. .Net
> will be next "dialect"... or CULE or something like that but then you have
> successfully split the language. Two dialects will be enough: I see reason
> for both, but to have individual versions? That's sheer nonsense.
You reverces my point of view. Again, I want (2nd) simply inherit separate
control and register my own formatting. And I don't want to change any method in
SDK. Now I (and you, and everyone) willy nilly create own dialect customizing
SDK-methods.
> > similar consequences is the message reflection. I really hope that
> Reflection
> > properties (command, notify, and m.b. color) will be added to the control
> class.
>
> Reflections? What do you mean?
>
> ...and Notify on a control? What on earth for? But of course if you are
> wanting your control to be responding to a server then I guess you can do
> this now but I have no idea what you mean by these "features".
This "feature" available in VC++ many years (beginning from 4.2 version). Search
in MSDN of "ON_CONTROL_REFLECT" and "Handling Reflected Messages". If you want,
I can invent some VO-example.
Igor
Geoff Schaller
At least in part I can see where you are coming from now...
> No, nein, ... I don't want new types in VO (esp. complex ones, although
int64
> and unicode would be great). It is server provides new data types, eg
GUIDs,
Ok, but I don't see how this helps in "regular" processing. In specialist
code where you use GUIDs, for example, it would be enough to create a GUID
data type (a.k.a. class...) and deal with it there. No problem. In fact,
with date/times, this is exactly what we do now. Hence, VO is doing just
fine.
> Currencies, Int64s, FileTimes, Timestamps... Sometimes we need use them,
yes?.
But not in the sense you are suggesting. Date/Time is the closest we come
and that implementation is not universal across data sources anyway.
Sometimes the time component is a waste, for example, so universally
altering our data data type would not be popular. Ints64's.... well the need
is limited but Frans already has created such data types for VO, and the
math to go with them. Hence, VO already has 64 bit datatypes available
within the language. Timestamps.... heck, we're getting a bit obscure now.
just write your own object.
> Ok, let see the example how we do it in Robert's Vo2Ado Help, AdoDateTime
Class.
> Now you ultimately must use Notify and Commit everytime in every owner
(NB -
> remember reflection) window. Thereas I simply put SLE (in WED!) inherited
from
> AdoDateEdit, and voila tout!
No. Why. I don't understand your requirement here. What do you mean by
"reflection". But, if you've solved them problem then what is the issue?
> No, it is not enough, absolutely. Returning to my prev. post, 1st way
needed
> these scatters etc, 2nd which I want, requires unformat() modification.
Well, I
But what is the problem! You write your scatter routine anyhow... just add
the extra few lines to deal with your new "data types".
> have another idea, m.b. more simple to realize by VO-team:
> and using this pfn everythere (in dll-sources) instead of explicit
Unformat().
Ok... but right now you can override the Unformat() function with your own
so the source code does not need modification. Equally, you have the SDKK
code so why not just include it and compile it yourself etc. What you say
"'seems" to be tidier but in truth, the same amount of manipulation is
required. The Unformat function is contained in the Runtime lib so you would
need to speak to Robert more on that but as I say... just override it.
> You reverces my point of view. Again, I want (2nd) simply inherit separate
> control and register my own formatting. And I don't want to change any
method in
Ok, but you can do this now.
> This "feature" available in VC++ many years (beginning from 4.2 version).
Search
> in MSDN of "ON_CONTROL_REFLECT" and "Handling Reflected Messages". If you
want,
> I can invent some VO-example.
Can you explain what you mean please? In your words. I don't want to look it
up in terms of some other language. I suspect you are talking simply of
message redirection... in which case, VO already has this "feature"....
although really its just something you code for just as much as you do in
C++.
So let me try to summarise your suggested requirement: you are seeking to
break down the language another layer so that you can add your own data type
handling. You want VO to become even more "black box". Well, I think you can
already. You have both the GUI class base and the language constructs to
achieve all that you want. I doubt the VO dev team will want to head your
way because (a) its not a requirement for enough people, (b) it will be
difficult to support, (c) its a very advanced concept not easily explained
to the masses, and (d) it goes in the opposite direction to ClassMate, for
example. It is a late bound concept and I'm not sure they want to make VO
any more late bound and weakly typed than it already is.
If you want these kinds of features you would need to put your case to
Robert and Brian.
Good luck.
Geoff
Cin...@nospamhere.com
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:45:52 -0400, "Brian" <br...@grafxsoft.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Luis,
>>
>>> nice pics, they changed the VO Icon again? It was the best change they
>>>made from 2.5 to 2.6, JUST KIDDING. ;)
>>
>>Glad you like the Screen shots. If it only was as easy as just changing the
>>Icon. Next thing you know some people will accuse me of making them
>>in Photoshop<G>
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>BTW, just in case its not occured to you Beta testers who are already using
>>these features are not free to comment on them because of their NDA's.
>
>NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement.
NDAs been around a lot longer than the PC computer industry.
>
>Do you really speak about VO here?
>
>Or do you speak about the new core-developement-language for NASA /
>FBI / CIA?
Do you live in fear of being caught?
>
>I don't believe this.
>
>What about this here?:
>
> {no secret status anymore} ?
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=gjhvgv8lc63q03ph6gdo4av7kn9r4m164f%404ax.com
>
>-
>
>You should make the beta publically available.
>
>Or at minimun to registred VO users.
>
>And of course without any NDA.
>
>Cause another meaning is: NDA = No Democracy Available
>
>Thus users / betatesters have freedom.
>
>They can SCREAM OUT their oppinion.
>
>They can discuss about it.
>
>They can detect design faults.
>
>They can decide.
>
>-
>
>Beta should be available to all registred VO[x.xx] users.
>
>No need to sign an NDA !
>
>User can decide based on a real beta if he likes VO2.7 developement.
>
>After that, a user can support developement by placing a pre-order.
>
>This is called: fairplay!
>
>-
>
>>However here is just one comment from the beta forum.....
>[...]
>
>beta-forum, should have at minimum read-only access for all registred
>VO[x.xx] users.
>
>{no secret status anymore}
>
>transparency.
>
Igor Kaliniak
Well, it seems we can't agree without a few Maßes (you know this word, ja?)
Believe you or not, my suggestions for more clear, rich, and object-oriented VO.
With preserving all current features 'by default'.
I really thought, it is so obvious... My mistake probably.
Igor
Geoff Schaller
ja?)
Yes <g>
> Believe you or not, my suggestions for more clear, rich, and
object-oriented VO.
Maybe. As I said, its "your" interpretation of "rich" and its certainly not
my idea of "clear" <g>. However, I'm not the one to judge such things. Make
a business case of it and present it to Brian and the team. At least this is
the nature of VO now under its new stewardship.
> With preserving all current features 'by default'.
> I really thought, it is so obvious... My mistake probably.
Ok, I didn't... and not necessarily a mistake. I am also not saying that my
opinion is also in any way representative or otherwise. You made some hefty
statements and I wanted to draw out the "why" behind them. I'm still not
convinced personally but maybe others are... or have already trod the path
you walk. I ask for the discussion with all genuine intent. Thank you for at
least persevering. I value such input and I suspect there are other readers
who do too.
Geoff
Igor Kaliniak
>
> Ok, I didn't... and not necessarily a mistake.
My mistake was that "I really thought, it is so obvious..." And I believe, this
one only.<g>
I found one example ("redirection"). My last attempt to convince you.
It was question in the NG: "How to select date on double click in the
MonthCalendar". And the answer
class YourWin // ...
protect dSelDate as date
protect dwSelTime as dword
method MonthCalSelectionChanged(oe) class YourWin
local psc as _winNMSELCHANGE
local dDate as date
local dwTime as dword
super:MonthCalSelectionChanged(oe)
// < here I omit verifying, is this MC that one we need - add a few lines >
if logic(_cast, oe)
if oe:Explicit
dwTime := GetTickCount()
psc := ptr(_cast, oe:lParam)
dDate := ConDate(psc.stSelStart.wYear, psc.stSelStart.wMonth, ;
psc.stSelStart.wDay)
if dDate = self:dSelDate
if dwTime - self:dwSelTime < GetDoubleClickTime()
self:YourMethod(dDate) // selected date
endif
endif
self:dSelDate := dDate
self:dwSelTime := dwTime
endif
endif
return nil
Notice that you must add (by copy/paste) this method and variables to the
owner(!) everytime(!) you need this simple feature of control (not the owner!).
Not very object-oriented, I think.
And now how it may be in more simple and clear VO (2.7?):
class MySmartMC inherit MonthCalendar
protect dSelDate as date
protect dwSelTime as dword
method onSelChange(psc as _winNMSELCHANGE) as long pascal class MySmartMC
local dDate as date
local dwTime as dword
dwTime := GetTickCount()
dDate := ConDate(psc.stSelStart.wYear, psc.stSelStart.wMonth, ;
psc.stSelStart.wDay)
if dDate = self:dSelDate
if dwTime - self:dwSelTime < GetDoubleClickTime()
if IsMethod(self:Owner, #WeSelectThisDateByDoubleClick)
self:Owner:WeSelectThisDateByDoubleClick(self, dDate)
endif
endif
endif
return 0
And now all what you need simply inherit your MC from this one in the WED.
Irrelevant to the owner, no "copy-and-paste". More simple, clear and
object-oriented. Of course argument maybe an event object, not a structure.
For me personally the next would be enough:
Class Control
protect fReflection as logic // and access/assign for this
method OnNotify(pNMHDR as _winNMHDR) as long pascal Class Control
// called in Window/Control:Dispatch() only for controls with fReflection==true
return 0L
Igor
Malcolm Gray
"Igor Kaliniak" <rem4i...@gal.ukrpack.net> wrote in message
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> Notice that you must add (by copy/paste) this method and variables to the
> owner(!) everytime(!) you need this simple feature of control (not the
owner!).
> Not very object-oriented, I think.
:-)
We have code to automatically do some reflection (it subclasses the owner
windows and adds a message filter so that a couple of buttons can call
themselves)
but what I am not sure about as a general feature is whether it makes sense
for the library
to mix the styles (intelligence in control vs intelligence in window).
one option (particularly for new messages) is to add the handling
to your in house standard datawindow subclass.
Marc Verkade
Brian promised us a bug-tracking system at www.cavo.com but did not have the
time to get it in place, that was his last remark about this issue. For now
Brian has not broken any promises ever, so I hope he'll stick to his word
and will activate the bug-tracking / info system so we can see what's
happening to our language...
Grtz, Marc
"Drs. D.J.W. van Kooten" <koo...@ic2remove.this.com> schreef in bericht
news:3f219c73...@news.zonnet.nl...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:42:44 -0400, "Brian" <br...@grafxsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks very much. I thought it might be a innovative way to convey
> >information about 2.7. Posting screens hoots of beta software is not
> >something most companies will do. Perhaps, now I know why<g>
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> I hardly dare to ask it, as our "person non grata" raised the
> question, more or less..., but I'll do:
>
> Would it be possible to publish a list of changes - probably compared
> to the top 10 and bug reports of users? I can imagine with so many
> people reporting not everything could be addressed. (For me, my main
> problem is the DHTML which does not work in 2.6 as it drags all
> keyboard input to it. This is more important for me than opening
> several repros at once, which I like too, by the way. Is that problem
> solved?)
>
> Second, many users use ReportPro. I think the majority of the users
> would like a major update of this software and are willing to pay for
> that. Is there any chance you can get DataPro (or any other party)
> prepared to make that update? I raised that question earlier in this
> NG but DataPro did not react. From past experience, I know they had an
> excellent support.
>
> Dick van Kooten
Geoff Schaller
Oh no! We must not do that for the SAKE of good OOP. What you need is the
class called ControlWindow and this will solve your problem. You are trying
to mix the nature of a window with a control and this distinction is primary
to VO and to Windows. Just as Malcolm said, we too have some auto-callback
methods for "standard" buttons in our window classes which achieve what you
desire here but they are not appropriate for general language inclusion
because it totally complicates the when/where of message processing. Now
that I see where you want to go with this I would argue quite strongly
against it.
Cheers,
Geoff
"Igor Kaliniak" <rem4i...@gal.ukrpack.net> wrote in message
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Igor Kaliniak
> class called ControlWindow and this will solve your problem. You are trying
It is not MY problem. A little language problem only. Just as the first one -
processing of the external data objetcs.
> to mix the nature of a window with a control and this distinction is primary
> to VO and to Windows. Just as Malcolm said, we too have some auto-callback
> methods for "standard" buttons in our window classes which achieve what you
> desire here but they are not appropriate for general language inclusion
> because it totally complicates the when/where of message processing. Now
Oh, yes!
if oControl:Reflection
oConrol:OnNotify()
else
<default processing>
// ...invisible for you, and logic value still equal False by default, and...
Of course this is totally complex.<g> ControlWindow and, as Malcolm said,
"subclasses the owner windows and adds a message filter" much more simple,
effective and natural. <BG>
Now I also understand WHY you so conservative.
OK, gentlemen. Let it be...
Marcos Nogueira
> i think it was said that there would only be a special price...
> but either way i feel that i'm fooling the developers by
> paying only $150 to get a much better (as it seems it will be)
> version of the tool i use to earn my living...
I'm not complaining to pay for the upgrade - I just don't remember clearly
what GrafX offered when they opened the pre-order season for 2.6. BTW, I
don't intend to fool any developer :-(
Best regards,
Marcos Nogueira
S. Paulo - Brazil