Loft 3D

Alpine Dragon

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May 9, 2003, 12:32:04 AM5/9/03

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As I was searching for VRML related material, I came across this site which
was of interest to me as it is probably one of the most detailed
environments created in VRML that I've seen so far.

http://www.visites-3d.com/loft-3d/chat3/

Unfortunately the information on the website is in French and I don't know
much else about what was done here.
But does anyone know what were the Applications/tools involved in creating
this environment?

I'm particularly interested in creating large/ infinite worlds with a high
level of detail and that can be added to over time.

Thanks

P. Flavin

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May 9, 2003, 1:28:45 AM5/9/03

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Loft 3D, the French Blaxxun VRML world for
------- their TV show comparable to our
reality TV shows Survivor, Big Brother, etc.
is rediscoverd:

Alpine Dragon wrote:
>
> I was searching for VRML related material,
> I came across this site which was of interest
> to me as it is probably one of the most detailed
> environments created in VRML that I've seen so far.
>
> http://www.visites-3d.com/loft-3d/chat3/
>

> ...

>
> I'm particularly interested in creating large/ infinite
> worlds with a high level of detail and that can be
> added to over time.
>
> Thanks
>

Yes, that's been discussed before ...

| Subject: Re: vrml commercial usage - what do you think?
|
| Newsgroups: comp.lang.vrml
| Date: 2002-08-12 10:44:36 PST
|
| Hi,
|
| Even I can't show here my buisness work made in VRML,
| here are some demo sites that show what VRML can do.
|
| You need BLAXXUN CONTACT 5.1+DirectX7 installed and
| it's best viewed with a 3D video card such as Geforce.
|
| All the places are multiuser.
|
http://www.visites-3d.com/multiuser home walktrhough
http://www.loft-3d.com french real tv "BIG BROTHER" loft
http://www.loft-3d.com/donjon french monuments
http://www.loft-3d.com/tragane fantastic midle age place
|
| all those worlds use a lot of new VRML (BLAXXUN's extensions)
| rendering features such :
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=aj8s64%24t1v%241%40wanadoo.fr

| Subject: ANN : a new 3d chat will disappear soon :-(
|
|
| Hi,
|
| Yesterday, I announced here the birth of a new 3d chat here.
|
| http://www.loft-3d.com
|
| Today, I have to announce a sad new :
|
| the imminent death of the same 3d chat....
|
| Let me tell you the short history :
|
| One month ago, we had the idea :
|
| make a 3d chat, based on the TV show
|
| "LoftStory", the french "Big Brother"...
| -------------------------------------
|
| As I said yesterday, The goal was to take
| advantage of the great media impact of
| this show, to present vrml and the blaxxun technology....
|
| We didn't think at this time that our project
| can harm to the TV show or the TV channel.
| On the contrary, we thought that it can be
| a good promotion tool...
|
| But, 2 or 3 weeks before the opening,
| we heard that the TV channel M6 had
| the same project, based on the SCOL
| technology by Cryo Networks :-(
|
|
| At this time, our project became in
| competition with the official project,
|
| which is a paying 3d chat !
|
| So the french TV channel M6 ask us today
| to remove our work...
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=4ccf96fce62ac581&seekm=3cd5059c%40news.mhogaming.com#link1

Ah, what tools to use ...

And for some of us the more interesting question
is how to make more ___ interesting interactions ___
rather than just stuffing more stuff into the scene,

Java is the answer for that !

Java let's you do things like
Chess Players you can control that can move
objects, and finger spelling animation of
Web3d.org's VRML based H-Anim avatars, which
you can do with Java.

Many of the complex scenes are created with
the high end and high priced 3d Studio Max
package that costs more than $1,000.

Large 3d VRML Worlds: Military Combat Simulation ( Dis-Java-VRML )
------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.web3d.org/WorkingGroups/vrtp/dis-java-vrml/examples.html
http://web.nps.navy.mil/~brutzman/vrtp/dis-java-vrml/SoftwareReference.html

The above uses VRML EAI / Java and requires Cosmo.

The old style VRML plug-ins and Microsoft's Internet Explorer
have "compatibily" and "security" problems ( or "inconsistencies" )
which is why some people, research groups, educational instutions,
and professionals use: Java

Human Animation with VRML & Java3d, VRML & Java and without Java3d
------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/H-Anim_Avatars.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html

-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator.
--------------------------------------
Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard

Cecile Muller

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May 9, 2003, 11:09:40 AM5/9/03

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> Java is the answer for that !

Ah yes ? Then make the loft using your loader,
i'm curious.

> Many of the complex scenes are created with
> the high end and high priced 3d Studio Max
> package that costs more than $1,000.

One program gathering many tools vs combining several
free ones for an almost-the-same/inferior result
for doing the same task, that may explain why.
I mean: 3dsmax isn't made just for vrml, or even just
realtime graphics.

Plus, if we want to bring pro designers from the outside to
make vrml or x3d (people that don't obviously actually *know* vrml),
we can't tell them to use notepad to create the scenes
(ok i exagerate, there are intermediary tools too, but you
see what i mean).

P. Flavin

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May 9, 2003, 12:09:21 PM5/9/03

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I did not say the VRML plug-in was the wrong tool
-------------- for this applicaton and in general
I have not done so, the VRML plug-ins are a reasoably
good solution for displaying 3d content with :

high polygon counts & relative simple interaction.

What I'm interested in, and what

Java is good at is:
------------------

relatively complicated interactions & animation
-----------------------------------------------

Thinks like having a human character:

walk, talk, play chess, play darts, do Finger Spelling

These things Java does well and I have done these things
with Java and have been rightly offended that lies and
criminally fraudulent claims and acts from NIST staffers,
the Yumetech.com & Prentice-Hall frausters have betrayed
their professional obligations and violated US laws, and
hurt our community & our country.

VRML Loaders working with Java3d & the Sun VRML Loaders
---------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html

I wrote specfically about 3d with __ interesting interactions __

| Ah, what tools to use ...
|
| And for some of us the more interesting question
| is how to make more ___ interesting interactions ___
| rather than just stuffing more stuff into the scene,
|

| Java is the answer for that !

| ----------------------------

http://groups.google.com/groups?frame=right&th=75156664706128d8&seekm=h0Hua.51415%24O06.32340%40twister.nyroc.rr.com

Human Animation from Motion Capture Data : Controlable
-------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/gait_model.html

Human Animation: Chess Player with Multiple Joints
--------------- Pick & Place objects, multiple Joints
--------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/H-Anim_Avatars.html

VRML Loaders Working with Java3d: Finger Spelling
------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html

Fashion Show: You control what they wear, how the walk
------------------------------------------------------
|
| The Macy's Fashion Show featured forty outfits
| donated from six of the world's leading designers,
|
| all animated using real-time skeletal deformation
| --------------------------------------------------
|
| and rendered in 360° panoramic backgrounds.
|
http://www.eyematic.com/demos_java.html

For human animation Java is great.

The lies and fraud of the "Couch-Bietler Flame War"
--------------------------------------------------

was and is an intentional, criminal fraud done with the
-------------------------------------------------------
knowedge, consent, and criminal cooperation of NIST staffers
and have they hurt our country and our community.

The VRML plug-ins are fine for things like "Loft 3D"

but Yumetech.com, NIST, NSF, US Navy PGS use Java
for good reasons, and they lied and violated US Laws
for bad reasons, with malice and criminal intent.

-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator
--------------------------------------
Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a keyboard

Eckhard M. Jäger

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May 9, 2003, 12:10:10 PM5/9/03

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@ P.Flavin shut up and stop infecting the group rookie

@ Alpine Dragon
you can create thing like this using 3dsmax and the free blaxxun vrml
exporter that supports most options of blaxxun contact or Contact vrml
like nurbs, particle, multitexuring, reflections:

http://developer.blaxxun.com/download/index.

Karamba!

::Bart::VRMLsuck
http://www.neeneenee.de/vrml/
http://www.neeneenee.de/vrml/forum/

Herbert Stocker

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May 9, 2003, 2:46:33 PM5/9/03

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Alpine Dragon wrote:
>
> I'm particularly interested in creating large/ infinite worlds with a high
> level of detail and that can be added to over time.

if you are interested in infinte worlds, have a look at
http://www.hersto.de/index.html
The world on this page has infinite size.

i tried to make this world browser independend, but in Cortona
the Elevationgrid of the ground does not show guroud shading
and the sky is not faded by the fog. - Can anybody help me
with this?

The world works as follows:
There is an elevationgrid for the floor.
It is repeated four 8 times with the USE statement, so there
is a grid of 9 such tiles.

+----+----+----+
| | | |
| | | |
+----+----+----+
| | | |
| | | |
+----+----+----+
| | | |
| | | |
+----+----+----+

The user is in the center tile. A Fog node prevents
the user from seeing the border of the outer tiles.
When the user crosses the border of the center tile,
a Script moves all tiles by the width of a tile. This
makes the user again be in the center tile. The user
does not see this transition, since it takes place
immediately.

The URL of the world is http://www.hersto.de/MyWorld.wrl

Herbert

--
Herbert Stocker (aka hersto)
http://www.hersto.de/VRML

P. Flavin

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May 9, 2003, 7:46:44 PM5/9/03

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Java offers greater OOPs support for 3d than
------------------------ VRML PROTOs with Javascript.

3d Terrain generation with dynamic Continuous Level of Detail

offers high performance, flexible, and portable 3d terrain
generation and rendering ...

The vis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de folks have an excellent
demonstration of Terrain Generation & Rendering with some of
the best modern methods ( links below )

Posted in honor of Joerg Scheurich aka MUFTI ( who works there ):

Web Demo with Free Source code
------------------------------

Real-Time Generation of Continuous Levels of Detail for Height Fields
---------------------------------------------------------------------
| Features of the algorithm:
|
| * Continuous Level of Detail (i.e. dynamic mesh).
| * Top-Down approach.
| * Geomorphing.
| * Quadtree based (i.e. fast; easy view frustum culling).
|
| [ * also feature solid surface - wire mesh toggle ]
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/data/StudArbAus_MB.ps

Terrain Visualization with Java 3D ( Web Demo + Sourcecode )
---------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/Hawaii/index.html

http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/data/TeVi.tgz
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/eng/research/fields/current/chemvis/

| Control
|
| Action Description
| ------------------
|
| w Increase speed
| s Decrease speed
| a Strafe left
| d Strafe right
| Space Stop movement
| r Back to starting point
| i Invert mouse up/down
| p Autopilot (get into orbit looking at the center)
| Mouse click+move (drag) Look around
| 1 Textures on
| 2 Textures off (wireframe mode)
| 3 Decrease quality
| 4 Increase quality
| g Geomorphing on/off
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/data/StudArbAus_MB.ps

http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.lang.vrml&selm=3EBBF789.3080108%40hersto.de

Ack ! The Script Node Javascript PROTO code in that
----- code is demonstrably inferior the Java code above.

People should not be continue to be mislead by the self-serving
misreprestentations of Aaron Walsh and Prentice-Hall Publishing
as he tried mislead the most clueless of the 3d & VRML newbies
so he could present himself as leader and innovator when his
ideas and technology were really old, obsolete, and better left
in the dust bin from which the would-be "expert" found them
so he falsely & fraudulently claim Sun's Loaders can't
animate Web3d.org's VRML - H-Anim Avatars for Finger Spelling.

Computer Science * is * a Science and Truth prevails.

Think, Learn & Make your animation work on the Web: Use Java.

Nasa Uses VRML, Java & the Sun VRML Loaders for 3d Web Animation
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html

Blaxxun / Bitmanagemen creates some VRML content I like:
-------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bitmanagement.de/demo/s55/contact_j/s55_high_tour.html

-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator
--------------------------------------

Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard

n°6

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May 10, 2003, 9:27:25 AM5/10/03

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The Loft-3D has been created by 4 guys : Raphael VANDENDRIESSCHE, Vincent
GARDET, Jean-Michel FLAMANT, and me ;) Laurent PRIVAT.

The only "secret" thing in this place is radiosity lighting, but the rest
is... work... work and work. and the need to show that VRML can shows other
things that cubes, cones or spheres...

"> I came across this site which
> was of interest to me as it is probably one of the most detailed
> environments created in VRML that I've seen so far."

Thanks, but this world isnt the only one ;)

Check out :

http://www.allomaison.fr/web3dart2003/index.htm

or

http://www.allomaison.fr/valente-construction/medias/contact/scene.wrl

or

http://www.villes-3d.com

or

http://www.visites-3d.com/loft-3d/tragane/

or

http://www.visites-3d.com/

I still wonder when someone would release such worlds working under Cortona
;)....

Laurent PRIVAT

"Alpine Dragon" <usenet...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:3ebb2f01$1...@news.orcon.net.nz...

Robert Ludewig

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May 10, 2003, 1:49:40 PM5/10/03

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Very nice, but

what about the textures? Are there any algorythms that allow
increasement/decreasement of thedetail of the textures on distance-changing
?

P. Flavin

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May 10, 2003, 6:14:01 PM5/10/03

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Free 3D modelling programs:
--------------------------

| Art of Illusion is a free, open source
| =============== ----------------------
|
| 3D modelling and rendering studio.
| ---------------------------------
|
| It is written entirely in Java, and should be
| usable on any Java Virtual Machine which is compatible
| with JDK 1.1 or later.
|
| The current version is 1.4, released February 15, 2003.
|
| This version is both stable and powerful enough
| to be used for serious, high end animation work.
|
| Many of its capabilities rival those found in
| commercial programs.
|
| Some of the highlights include
|
| subdivision surface based modelling tools,
| skeleton based animation, and
| a graphical language for designing procedural
| textures and materials.
|
http://aoi.sourceforge.net/screenshots
http://aoi.sourceforge.net/index

3d Editor with VRML export: MJBWorld
--------------------------------------
| This Program is a general purpose __ 3D editor __
| which allows you to create 3D worlds by graphically
| selecting and dragging objects on the screen.
|
http://www.martinb.com/

| 3d modelling ... ways to represent solid objects:
| ------------
|
| * constructive solid geometry
| * boundary representations
| * spatial decomposition
|
| Animation ... how to animate the model:
| ----------
|
| * Using physics to control movement
| * Data Structures for 3D physics
| * Collision detection
| * Particle systems
| * Keyframing
| * Motion Capture
|
| Games ...
| Human Animation
| Rendering ... how to display a 3D model on a 2D screen.
|
http://www.martinb.com/threed/index.htm

Sun's Java3d Scenegraph Editor showing a Nasa VRML model
--------------------------------------------------------
| uses the Sun VRML Loaders, source code available and is free.
|
|
http://java3d.netbeans.org/j3deditor_intro.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html#Scenegraph_Editor

Eckhard M. Jäger wrote:
>
>
> @ P.Flavin shut up and stop infecting the group rookie
>
>

http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=3ebb2f01%241%40news.orcon.net.nz

Infection vulernability is very high with the VRML-plugin viewers
------------------------------------
with Microsoft's Internet Explorer and ActiveX and the PROTOs
you use.

The people using the old, inefficient ( for the developer )
and not very portable, not viewable without plug-ins most
people on the web don't have, and won't download just because
you think your content is "kewl".

Times change, new & better tools evolve.

The "only works with Microsoft's Internet Explorer" crowd
shouldn't rudely tell people to " shut up " as you did
just because you feel bad about your decision to use the
old, clumsy, klutzy, inefficient, unreliable, unportable
web - unfriendly "Walsh Wart" pseudo " Pseudo OOPs with PROTOs "
methods of the fraudster Aaron Walsh.

Eckhard M. Jäger wrote:
>
> you can create thing like this using 3dsmax ...
>
> Karamba!
>
> ::Bart::VRMLsuck
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=3ebb2f01%241%40news.orcon.net.nz

Wow, I wish I had written that, Oh, I did:

|
| Many of the complex scenes are created with

| the high end and high priced ___ 3d Studio Max ____

| package that costs more than $1,000.
|

http://groups.google.com/groups?&selm=h0Hua.51415%24O06.32340%40twister.nyroc.rr.com

I also noted it was expensive and most newbies
don't drop casually spend $1,000+ after just being
amused by a pretty 3d scene.

You don't like the U.S. Navy PGS Combat Simulation ?

Why ?

Because Cosmo is what Don Brutzman reccomends for it ?

Because it Microsoft's Internet Explorer isn't required ?

Because it uses Java ?

|
| Download Netscape Install Netscape 4.77
|

| Testing under [ Microsoft's ] Internet Explorer

| will resume when we work around
|

| __ cross-platform ___ security ___ inconsistencies. ___
|
|
| * We currently support CosmoPlayer. ...

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=h0Hua.51415%24O06.32340%40twister.nyroc.rr.com

Nasa, NIST, Navy PGS, NSF Chemistry Lab use Java for 3d animation
-----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/virtual_chemistry_lab.html

The Yumetech.com liars and fraudsters Justin Couch & Alan Hudson
falsely & fraulently claim the Sun VRML Loaders can't animate
NSF Funded Web3d.org VRML H-Anim Finger Spelling for the Deaf.

Criminals at the NIST including Sandy Ressler have participated
in the criminal fraud with fraudsters Aaron Walsh & Prentice-Hall
management to convince you: you are too stupid to do what I've done:

Animate Web3d.org H-Anim Avatars with the Sun VRML Loaders
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/ani_finger_spelling_java3d.gif

Mr. Jäger your post was unfriendly and your rude comments
were unfortunate and uninformative and unhelpful and I hope
you will not repeat them. I survived the "Couch-Beitler Flame War",
you have a lot to learn before you can be a major fraudster like Couch.

P. Flavin

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May 10, 2003, 7:34:32 PM5/10/03

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Eckhard, try not to be such an insipid insolent idiot.

Eckhard M. Jäger wrote:
>
> shut up and stop infecting the group rookie ...

>
>
> Karamba!
>
> ::Bart::VRMLsuck
>
> http://www.neeneenee.de/vrml/
>

http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=3ebb2f01%241%40news.orcon.net.nz

The people using the old, inefficient ( for the developer )
and not very portable, not viewable without plug-ins most
people on the web don't have, and won't download just because
you think your content is "kewl".

Infection vulernability is very high with the VRML-plugin viewers
------------------------------------
with Microsoft's Internet Explorer and ActiveX and the PROTOs
you use.

Times change, new & better tools evolve.

The "only works with Microsoft's Internet Explorer" crowd
shouldn't rudely tell people to " shut up " as you did
just because you feel bad about your decision to use the
old, clumsy, klutzy, inefficient, unreliable, unportable
web - unfriendly "Walsh Wart" pseudo " Pseudo OOPs with PROTOs "
methods of the fraudster Aaron Walsh.

Free 3D modelling programs:

Hoppy Thing

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May 11, 2003, 12:25:08 AM5/11/03

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"P. Flavin" <anim...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3EBD7A3C...@rochester.rr.com>...

>
> Infection vulernability is very high with the VRML-plugin viewers
> ------------------------------------
> with Microsoft's Internet Explorer and ActiveX and the PROTOs
> you use.
>
> The people using the old, inefficient ( for the developer )
> and not very portable, not viewable without plug-ins most
> people on the web don't have, and won't download just because
> you think your content is "kewl".
>
> Times change, new & better tools evolve.
>
> The "only works with Microsoft's Internet Explorer" crowd
> shouldn't rudely tell people to " shut up " as you did
> just because you feel bad about your decision to use the
> old, clumsy, klutzy, inefficient, unreliable, unportable
> web - unfriendly "Walsh Wart" pseudo " Pseudo OOPs with PROTOs "
> methods of the fraudster Aaron Walsh.

You don't like PROTOs because your Sun VRML Loader doesn't work with
them. So you can't view all the great VRML content created with
PROTOs (from the NIST, the NSF, and the Navy) with your program. But
you can with Xj3D from Couch and Hudson or with a modern plugin like
Cortona.

Imagining your Image

P. Flavin

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May 11, 2003, 10:23:21 AM5/11/03

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The lies of the U.Penn- Yumetech.com flame war of Couch-Beitler-Hudson
continues by an anonymous liar designate so the
federal employees may continue their criminal activities, the
crimes of the federal employees hurts our community & country.

Hoppy Thing wrote:
|
> [ quoted text of previous message: ] ...

>
>>
>> The "only works with Microsoft's Internet Explorer" crowd
>> shouldn't rudely tell people to " shut up " as you did
>> just because you feel bad about your decision to use the
>> old, clumsy, klutzy, inefficient, unreliable, unportable
>> web - unfriendly "Walsh Wart" pseudo " Pseudo OOPs with PROTOs "
>> methods of the fraudster Aaron Walsh.
>
>

> [ "Hoppy Thing" lies, prepetuating the Prentice-Hall fraud: ]

>
> You don't like PROTOs because your Sun VRML Loader
> doesn't work with them.
>
> So you can't view all the great VRML content created with
> PROTOs (from the NIST, the NSF, and the Navy) with your program.
>
> But you can with Xj3D from Couch and Hudson or with
> a modern plugin like Cortona.
>
>

http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=41f79d6d.0305102025.4ab978db%40posting.google.com

Bzzt. Wrong answer.

That's another lie.

The Sun VRML Loaders can handle PROTOs.

The Sun VRML Loaders do animate Web3d.org's H-Anim Avatars

-------------------- with PROTOs, TouchSensors, and animation.

Your false assertion is nothing but a repition of

the original Justin Couch lie that has already been
------------------------------

refuted by one of the Sun Engineers that implemented
your false, fraudulent, unsubstatiented, unethical lie.

Justin Couch can lie and does lie for himself.
Justin Couch is "best and most consistant" liar.
Justin Couch can lie without your "anonymous" lies.
Justin Couch is a "better liar" than you.

Don Brutzman has used the Sun VRML Loaders.
------------

Don Brutzman is an Associate Professor at
------------ the U.S. Navy Post Graduate School.

Don Brutzman is a Web3d.org board member.
------------

Don Brutzman : stop betraying his professional obligations.
------------

Don Bruzman would reply to your ignorant false statements
----------- if you posted to the Web3d.org list.

Don Brutzman can & should speak the truth.
------------

Don Brutzman your conduct violates the Military Code of Conduct.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Do you want the truth or just be a criminal participant in the
"Couch-Beitler Flame War" with the NIST criminal Sandy Ressler,

| Web3d.org Board of Directors
| -----------------------------
|
| Current Board of Directors 2002-2003 ...
|
| Don Brutzman - brut...@nps.navy.mil
| ------------------------------------
|
| Associate Professor - Naval Postgraduate School, USA
| ----------------------------------------------------
|
| Alan Hudson - gi...@yumetech.com, President - Yumetech Inc.
| --------------------------------
|
| Sandy Ressler - sres...@nist.gov
| ------------- National Institute of Standards and Technology, USA
|
| Matt Beitler - bei...@graphics.cis.upenn.edu
|
| Tony Parisi - tpa...@mediamachines.com
|
|
http://web3d.org/aboutus/bod.htm

The NIST & Navy PGS fraud you are perpetuting
hurts the NIST & Navy PGS, our group & our country

Web3d.org Avatars have animated with Sun VRML Loaders
-----------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/ani_finger_spelling_java3d.gif

|Human Animation: NSF Finger Spelling: VRML & Java3d & JMF
| -------------------------------------------------------
http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/fingerspelling_nsf_jmf.html
|
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/ani_finger_spelling_java3d.gif
http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/media/finger_spelling_cvid.mov
http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/Ani/fingerspell.mov
|
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html
|
|
NSF Finger Spelling in a browser with Java 1.1 & Shout3d.com
---------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/avatar_builder.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/H-Anim/girl_flexible_H-Anim.wrl
|
^-- wait for it to fully load, then double click on "Finger Spelling"
-------- then wait again for a really long time, click on her chest !
|
Finger Spelling Avatar: You Pose with your VRML plug-in
------------------------------------------( VRML EAI Java )
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/HAnimPoser.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Avatars/asl_jen_az.wrl
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/seamless_avatars.html
^-- For more information on H-Anim Avatars, Norman Badler, & Babski
|
|
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0304&L=java3d-interest&P=50159
http://groups.google.com/groups?&selm=pBZra.68791%245f4.55023%40twister.nyroc.rr.com
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A3=ind0304&L=java3d-interest&P=3614808&E=2&B=--------------040200000303040502080204&N=ani_finger_spelling_java3d.gif&T=image/gif

Why do you want to hurt our community & country ?

The NIST Fraud hurt hurts our community & country.

Don't commit fraud just because NIST staffers do it.

-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator
--------------------------------------
Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard

cc: The NIST, US Navy PGS, & NSF Fraudsters:
-------------------------------------------

NIST, NSF, Navy Fraudsters: consult a better lawyer.
-------------- The Clintonesq "don't recall" defence won't work.

Don Brutzman nps.navy.mil <brut...@nps.navy.mil> & Web3d.org Head
-----------------------------
"Michael Zyda, nps.navy.mil" <zy...@nps.navy.mil>,
----------------------------
"Michael Zyda, Director, Moves Institute" <zy...@movesinstitute.org>,
"DR Clark ( US Navy, JAG)" <drc...@nps.navy.mil>,

"Arden Bement ( NIST, Director )" <arden....@nist.gov>,
"Sandy Ressler ( NIST )" <sres...@nist.gov>,
"Dr Sharon Laskowski ( NIST, vvrg )" <sharon.l...@nist.gov>,

"Rita Colwell (NSF,D)" <rcol...@nsf.gov>,
"Factual Errors (Prentice Hall)" <Communi...@pearsoned.com>,
"Wendy Spiegel (V.P. Pearson Ed)" <wendy....@pearsoned.com>,
"Factual Errors (Prentice Hall)" <Communi...@pearsoned.com>,
|
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0305&L=java3d-interest&P=12101
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0304&L=java3d-interest&P=24264

P. Flavin

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May 11, 2003, 10:40:59 AM5/11/03

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correcting some typos, spelling & gramatical errors:

Your false assertions are nothing but a repetition of

the original lies from Justin Couch that have already been
-----------------------------------

refuted by one of the Sun Engineers that implemented

the features that exist and function and

animate Web3d.org's H-Anim Avatars including Finger Spelling
------------------------------------------------------------

and your false, fraudulent, unsubstantiated, unethical lies
_______________ do ___ nothing ___ but continue

the criminal fraud that _____ hurts our community. _____
--------------------------------------------------------

Original text, full of errors ( sorry about that ) ;^(

Joerg Scheurich aka MUFTI

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May 12, 2003, 11:14:56 AM5/12/03

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> The vis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de folks have an excellent
> demonstration of Terrain Generation & Rendering with some of
> the best modern methods ( links below )

> Posted in honor of Joerg Scheurich aka MUFTI ( who works there ):

Sorry, wrong.

I do not work at the

Institut für Visualisierung und Interaktive Systeme (VIS)

at the university stuttgart

(http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de)

i work at the

Institut für Computeranwendungen, Abteilung II
Computer Simulation and Visualization

at the university stuttgart

(http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de)

so long
MUFTI
--
Der 500 gesund-Erfolg den WAV Akten mit Masterclip einschlossen,
kann zu Windows Funktionen befestigt werden die den Gesunden
Kontrolleur benutzen.
(aus einem Software-Handbuch: Stichwort: Sound)

P. Flavin

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May 12, 2003, 1:49:53 PM5/12/03

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Java __ without __ Javascript & the plug-ins
___________________ is how these very capable

3d animations are created at

_______ The University of Stuttgart _______
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

for:

* 3d terrain generation,
* medical volumetric imaging
* molecular modeling
* animating Wolfram Research Mathematica objects

Exactly the way I have been saying is a good way.
------------------------------------------------

The object-oriented programming cabilities
with "compile time" type checking, passing
of user defined objects with inheritance
and polymorphism is why professional research
groups increasing use Java rather than
Javascript.

The lies & fraud from Yumetech.com, Prentice-Hall,
----------------------------------- Aaron Walsh,
and criminal NIST Fraudsters mislead some newbies
but those with intelligence & integrity will tell
you the truth:

Java is better for complex animation including
the animation of Web3d.org's H-Anim Avatars for
important things like animating NSF Funded
Finger Spelling for the Deaf, with the Sun Loaders.

The liars at Yumetech.com lie & say it's not true,
but the lies of Yumetechocom fraudsters ...

______ is nothing but lies & criminal fraud ______

I notice you and "they" are in different
departments, and I did __ not __ say you
worked in the __ same department __
but sitting here 3,000 miles to your east
my eyes can only resolve:

You and they work at : the University of Stuttgart.
--------------------------------------------------

Why don't you meet them, learn from them,

and join the winning team.

3d animations with Java.

Don't to Scripts with the Script kiddies.

Use the better modern methods as is done
in the ___ examplary ___ Terrain Rendering ____
and generation demo & with source from the
fine researchers at your fine institution:

____ the Univesity of Stuttgart ____

-- Paul

rusm...@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/

-- rusm...@helpdesk.rus. ___ uni-stuttgart.de ___
http://wwwvis.informatik. ___ uni-stuttgart.de ___ /javatevi/

Terrain Visualization with Java 3D ( Web Demo + Sourcecode )
---------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/Hawaii/index.html

http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/data/TeVi.tgz
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/eng/research/fields/current/chemvis/

| OpenQVis released on Sourceforge !
|
| OpenQVis is a GPL project for the visualization of
| 3D volume data on rectilinear grids, as they arise
| from tomographic measurement and simulation in
| computational science and engineering.
|
| It uses QT and OpenInventor/Coin3D to achieve
| cross-platform compability.
|
| OpenQVis is available for
|
| Linux,
| Windows 98/ME, Windows NT/2000/XP and
| SGI IRIX. ... a MacOSX 10.2 build [ is in progress ]
|
| http://openqvis.sourceforge.net/gallery.html
|
| The OpenQVis project implements methods for
| interactive high-quality volume visualization
| on general purpose hard-ware such as
| commodity desktop computers with graphics cards
| designed for computer games and multimedia.
|
| The aim of this project is to achieve high image
| quality comparable to traditional ray-casting
| solutions at interactive frame rates on inexpensive
| hardware platforms.
|
| Based on collaborative research projects of the
| Computer Graphics Group of the University of Erlangen Nuremberg
| and the VIS Group at the University of Stuttgart, Germany,
|
| efficient volume rendering techniques have been developed,
| targeting the advanced features of modern PC graphics boards
| such as multi-stage rasterization, pixel shaders and
| dependent texture lookup
|
http://openqvis.sourceforge.net/background.html
http://openqvis.sourceforge.net/
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~engel/
---------------------------

More 3d done the uni-stuttgart.de way .... with Java:
----------------------------------------------------
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~kraus/LiveGraphics3D/
|
| Chemical Visualization on the Internet:
| --------------------------------------
| Embedded dynamic and interactive high-end graphics
| in digital documents for the visualization of complex
| factual relationships.
|
|
| * For more projects and services refer to this site:
|
http://www2.ccc.uni-erlangen.de/projects/ChemVis/projects.html
http://www2.ccc.uni-erlangen.de/projects/ChemVis/projects.html
|
http://www2.chemie.uni-erlangen.de/research/information_visualization/demo.html
http://www2.chemie.uni-erlangen.de/research/information_visualization/
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/eng/research/fields/current/chemvis/

Logo of vis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de ( 3d )
---------------------------------------
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~engel/logo/index.html

|
http://groups.google.com/groups?&selm=3EBB5AD8.70000%40rochester.rr.com

Joerg Scheurich aka MUFTI wrote:
>>The vis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de folks have an excellent
>>demonstration of Terrain Generation & Rendering with some of
>>the best modern methods ( links below )
>
>
>>Posted in honor of Joerg Scheurich aka MUFTI ( who works there ):
>
>
> Sorry, wrong.
>
> I do not work at the
>
> Institut für Visualisierung und Interaktive Systeme (VIS)
>
> at the university stuttgart
>
> (http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de)
>
> i work at the
>
> Institut für Computeranwendungen, Abteilung II
> Computer Simulation and Visualization
>
> at the university stuttgart
>
> (http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de)
>
> so long
> MUFTI

| > --------------------------------------------------------------
| >
|
|
| Wrong.
|
| This are the theoreticians in the
| information science faculty of
|
| ------------- the university of stuttgart. ---------------
|
| I work at the "Institute for Computer Application ,
| department for computer simulation and visualisation
|
| (csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de)" at
|
| --------------- the university of stuttgart, -----------------
|
| which is now part of the computer center/high
| performance computer center of
|
| --------------- the University of stuttgart ---------------
|

Please don't say I'm wrong when I'm not wrong.

You felt the need ( I don't know why ) to
clarify it and explicitly state you work in
different departments ( fine, no objection )
but you and they work at the University of Suttgart ...

Just like you wrote:

--------------- the university of stuttgart. ---------------

--------------- the university of stuttgart, -----------------

--------------- the University of stuttgart ---------------

You, they, work there: at the University of Stuttgart.

Like I said.

And the guys doing 3d animation with Java3d
are doing cooler stuff than the guys doing
3d with javascript, in part, because they :

are using better and more appropriate tools: Java.
__________________________________________________

Which noone can deny.

Well, people with intelligence & integrity
would acknowledge that truth,

the Yumetech.com & Prentice-Hall fraudsters would lie
and say just about anything, but their disrepute is known.

You have to admit, the Univesity of Stuttgart
Terrain Demo is ___ way cool ___ & __ very impressive ___

P. Flavin

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May 13, 2003, 7:58:20 PM5/13/03

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If the excellent

Dynamic Terrain Generation & Rendering with Java3d
--------------------------------------

from the Univesity of Stuttgart doesn't have all the
features you want ( apparently so ) and you want
dynamic multiples levels of details with images textures
you're going to have to add them yourself,

fortunately the source code is available ( see below ).

Fracatal terrains may be an interesting and attractive
addition, some links are included below.

My primary interest is the animation of articulated
figures like attractive, scantily clad girls and
Mars robotic rovers, and maybe having one chase the
other over a Martian Terrain ...

http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=59Rva.60510%24O06.42278%40twister.nyroc.rr.com

[ referring to this messge : ]

Web Demo with Free Source code
------------------------------
|
Real-Time Generation of Continuous Levels of Detail for Height Fields
--------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Features of the algorithm:
|
| * Continuous Level of Detail (i.e. dynamic mesh).
| * Top-Down approach.
| * Geomorphing.
| * Quadtree based (i.e. fast; easy view frustum culling).
|
| [ * also feature solid surface - wire mesh toggle ]
| http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/data/StudArbAus_MB.ps
|
Terrain Visualization with Java 3D ( Web Demo + Sourcecode )
---------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/Hawaii/index.html
|
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/javatevi/data/TeVi.tgz
http://wwwvis.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/eng/research/fields/current/chemvis/
|

http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0305&L=java3d-interest&P=R13706&m=37702

Fractal Mountains
---------------------------------------------
http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/3Dapp/Mount.htm
http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/VRML/Terra/terra.htm
http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/VRML/Terra/TerraHex.java
http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/VRML/Web3D/Web3D.htm

Tutorial, Web Demo, free Source code: Fractal Mountains
-------------------------------------------------------
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-08-1998/jw-08-step.html
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-1997/jw-07-howto.html

Terrain Rendering, Nasa using Java3d & the Sun VRML Loaders
-----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html

> > ... Java over javascript ... Perfomance is my main
> > concern here. What's really fastest ?
> > ( I'll most likely be using CosmoPlayer. )
>
> " Due to JIT compiler Java applets are more then 20 times
> faster then Java Script ! "
>
> http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/VRML/3DLab.htm
>
> You can test it with the "Mandelbrot's mountains" applet and
> "Generated "on-the-fly" scenes" (the last works under NC only).
> I didn't finish JS MHill.wrl because big JavaScripts are unstable
> ("Out of Memory" error).
>
Evgeny Demidov <dem...@ipm.sci-nnov.ru> wrote
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=EVEb5.8806%24PD4.305206%40typhoon.nyroc.rr.com

| From: Evgeny Demidov ( ipm.sci-nnov.ru )
|
| Subject: Re: Fractal Terrains, Trees & Meshes : Speed Issues, etc.
| Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.3d, comp.lang.vrml, sci.fractals
| Date: 2000/07/05
|
| Hi Paul
|
| I made "animated" octahedron with Blaxxun3D
|
http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/VRML/Test/anim.htm
http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/VRML/Test/examine.htm
|
| It was very simple.
|
| I'll try Ice Mountains at al. after I learn Blaxxun3D EAI.
|
| Evgeny
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3962E5E9.74CE938%40ipm.sci-nnov.ru

| Java is superior for complex animations and complex
| behaviors, and where portability is important or necessary,
| and where higher productivity of the programmer is important.
|
| | > "3D Solid State Crystal models"
| | > (NaCl, GaAs, Si, HTSC et al.): ...
| | > http://www.people.nnov.ru/fractal/VRML/cryst/cryst.htm or
| | > http://www.ipm.sci-nnov.ru/~DEMIDOV/VRML/cryst/cryst.htm
| |
| | Very cool stuff ... the javascript you wrote is totally elegant !
| |
| | Sandy
| [ Sandy Ressler, NIST, (before his "life of crime" as NIST Fraudster)
|
| Yes, your work is very impressive, both the individual projects
| and the especially the collective work, and the variety of
| techniques used ... to improve your productivity ( it's hugely
| impressive as it is ! ) rather than using multiple techniques,
| languages, and tools ( Java, Javascript, VRML PROTOs,
| multiple VRML plug-ins ) please consider using Java exclusively,
| as you said it's 20 times faster than Javascript, it has
| better support for Object-Oriented Programming, and you
| don't have to create different pages to accommodate
| the different plug-in viewers.
|

Evgeny Demidov wrote:
|
| Mandelbrot's mountains ...
|
| Due to JIT compiler Java applets are
| __ more then 20 times faster then Java Script ! ___
| ... Cortona will ask you for 4 "privileges" ...
| If you don't trust "Parallel Graphics LLC" use
| "on-the-fly" VRMLs. ....
|
http://www.ipm.sci-nnov.ru/~demidov/VRML/3DLab.htm
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=NGO55.9426%24Bc.316605%40typhoon.nyroc.rr.com&rnum=7

Java3D may give additional benefits ...

| Mesh Deformations : Human Animation with Seamless Flexing
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------
| " A Seamless Shape For H-Anim Compliant Bodies " ( VRML 99 Paper )
| ----------------------------------------------------------
| - by Christian Babski & Daniel Thalmann, Swiss F.I.T.
| - EXCELLENT paper ! ! ! _ a MUST READ _ ( 9 pages, 2 meg )
|
| Overview, Paper ( Great ! ! ), Demo :
| http://ligwww.epfl.ch/~babski/StandardBody/Deformation/
| http://ligwww.epfl.ch/~babski/StandardBody/Deformation/vrml99.pdf.gz
| http://ligwww.epfl.ch/~babski/StandardBody/Deformation/
| Worlds/Cow/Scenes/cow_scene.wrl
|
| | 3.4.2 Language Choice
| |
| | The presented method was first implemented in javascript [13]
| | ... However depending on the amount and type of calculation to
| | be performed, this interpreted language only allows to obtain
| | a low framerate ... the framerate decreases drastically down
| | to an unacceptable level ( less than one frame per second )...
| |
| | some functionalities, such as rotation vector manipulation,
| | [ are ] not well implemented in some plug-ins.
| |
| | For all the reasons, we switched to ___ Java ___ ...
| | It offers the needed power of a compiled language
| | for performing this kind of calculation.
| |
| Note : Javascript, the method that was tried and rejected for
| failing to meet performance and reliability requirements is
| the same " PROTO and Script " technique loudly proclaimed
| as the solution by those with less experience and expertise.
|
| Java works, Scripts have failed : they proved to be too slow
| and the plug-in viewers failed to provide reliable support, and
| they support modern Object-Oriented-Programming styles too weakly
| with respect to competing solutions ( Java is clearly superior ).
|
http://www.web3d.org/WorkingGroups/h-anim/hypermail/2000/0138.html
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=EVEb5.8806%24PD4.305206%40typhoon.nyroc.rr.com

You can animate Finger Spelling Avatars in a web page
-----------------------------------------------------
Animations developed with NSF Funded, Web3d.org H-Anim Avatars
are animated with ___ Sun's VRML Loaders ___ and Java3d for
high performance, high quality animation of Finger Spelling
for the Deaf.

Yumetech.com fraudsters & the fraudulent Prentice-Hall Publishing
/ " Pearson Education " claim you can't: but they are fraudulent liars.

| The "Core Web3d" book by __ Aaron Walsh ___
| also is also critical of the [ Sun ] VRML Loaders,
|
| and claims they fail ( though mine work )
| and Mr. Walsh credits Justin Couch for contributing
| to the Java3d section that indicates the
| [ Sun ] VRML Loaders fail ...
|
| Web3d's H-Anim, MPEG-4, and VRML standards are at
| a critical point, and I hope that Mr. Walsh would
| update the web site to properly indicate that the
| Java3d VMRL Loaders can be used to for H-Anim Animation.
|
| It's Java ... you have the source ...
|
| Mr. Walsh -- in the book -- promised updates on the web
| site, but all we have is the book which states incorretly
| that the VRML Loaders don't work ... which is not true.
|
http://www.coreweb3d.com/chapters.htm
http://www.coreweb3d.com/code/
http://www.coreweb3d.com/code/13/
Listing%2013.3%20VView%20(Example%202).java
|
| I have demos of 3d animation with Java 1.1 on
| the web:
|
|
| " Darts Game On-Line " -- same Avatar as above !
| -------------------- Java3d: Fast, Java 1.1: Portable.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/avatar_builder.html
|
| ...
|
| Java3d has been on the web more than a year with
| the good old VRML Loaders [ from Sun ]
|
http://www.web3d.org/WorkingGroups/web3d-mpeg/hypermail/2001/0159.html

People with Intelligence & Integrity know so & say so.