O13, public awareness & education, our future

[Benjamin Goodman]

Hello all,

The pressure for change has been mounting. I'm sure you've felt it.

While perhaps not the most outgoing personality, I have remained active in the movement for social change which is ultimately what has brought us together in the first place.

Also, while it is true that I do not spend my life with you all, I have been keeping tabs on some of you via Facebook. I believe that many of us could greatly benefit from some good ol' social service. I know that I could, and do have the time to contribute to such activities.

There is a global Occupy rally coming up in just under two months. There is still widespread support for social change in our communities. I think that these opportunities have a great chance to converge into something good.

Therefore, I would like to cordially invite you all to start a conversation with a new face and inform them as to the current state of affairs regarding our economy and prospective future of this little social experiment we call civilization. I firmly believe that as the relative few people who understand this stuff, we have an even greater responsibility to share what we know with people and help more understand it as we do. Whether this remains on a personal 1-on-1 level or manifests into something greater like a public forum is totally up to our contributions to the process and how we manage this very real public desire for a positive new social direction.

I have quite a bit of free time to devote to this, but strength surely comes in numbers though I am more than capable of holding my own in a heavy debate. I am very interested in meeting with anyone willing and able to contribute anywhere in the metro areas. I could even give you a ride.

Please let me know through email, Facebook, or text message if you are interested in joining me and when you are able to meet up. Let's get to work.

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[Darrel Johannes]

Benjamin , Thanks for sharing your thoughts . I have also been feeling a pull the last few days to gather and combine our energies and talents for some kind of a future . Looks to me like its a 'perfect' storm of economic failure , climate chaos , social unrest driven by hoarding of the worlds resources and depletion of natural resources happening all at about the same time . Other than that things are great ! I have been working allot this summer for the first time in years . I think the current upturn is certainly temporary and is most likely only happening because of a money printing binge a year or so ago . People have told me ' save your money while times are good ' and I have but really having some digits in a bank brings me little assurance knowing that the whole system is as phony as can be . My gardening has brought me more joy and sense of accomplishment that anything this summer . I have been trying new things some working well some not so well but all along learning and growing . I work in construction/HVAC and have actually been surprized to find the level of understanding about current trends among my fellow workers to be generally higher than I expected . IE there may be more reason to have hope than I thought . I have been missing our Zeitgeist gatherings and can see us getting active again. We could have a movie night / potluck at my place within the next month or so if anyone is interested . I have a new film/dvd called Collapse that is perty cool . Ya its depressing but what isn't . We could counter it at the end with ideas and solutions . Do kind of a point , counter point thing where we try to prove him wrong . The film is based on Michael Ruppert and his lifes work of journalism . He is kind of a gruff chain smoking ex LA Cop  that cusses allot and speaks without filtering . Hey when I reply to this does it go up for all on the list to read ? I hope it does .  Darrel  , Hi Jesse , Manny , Stan . 

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[Nick Polimeni]

To Ben and Johannes, and all others in this endeavor,

I've also been feeling the pressure mounting, not just because of global events, but also my own age... having just turned 70. I've been pursuing within the quite inactive Global Dev Team, methods of global reach of communication, very slow, and with fits and starts.

At the same time I've been watching the world, and world events, having the opportunity to more or less, regularly reading different sources of news, in various languages, and various ideological persuasions.

I've also been watching groups of all kinds forming, and developing their ideologies, and missions.

We are faced with the gargantuan task of uniting mankind into united action, and at the same time, trying to bridge the mind set gap, which makes the task of united action practically impossible.

So I've arrived at a focus which defuses ego, and begins to tear the selfish motives that generally drives most of us. To answer this point, I've embraced what you might call a technology of consciousness that without providing a target for action, helps clear the mind to help expand the context of human existence, with the very real possibility of some rational unity. I'll let you judge for yourselves, and it begins with a model that can be named: The Dynamic Circle of Human Endeavor.

To this effect I attach an early version of a book written by Joe van Stadden (the latest version is due out in a few months). 

Next, a source of news which I follow (narrowed down from all the sources I do read), which includes writers from different ideologies, but in some way connected by the desire to change the lot of man:

This is Tom's Dispatch.  The link is for a sort of broad view article. But when you're there, you might go home and examine the archives, where you will see a wealth of information about what's going on in the world, and why. http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175578/.

Then, there is what I believe to be some of the most promising areas of technology, especially in free energy, which I sifted from probably a few hundred innovation on the matter. What I include here are my opinion on my own sense of importance. Some may even sound strange.

Here's the Keshe Foundation, which claims to have the most liberating technology in existence today, and they are for all mankind. To avoid the technology from being sequestered by the powers that be, Keshe is releasing all the papers, documents, drawings, research to each and every country in the world sometime this coming September (or November?). These innovations are hard to be believed... but much of it is extension and expansion of Nicola Tesla's inventions, and discoveries.

This is the link to the forum showing some important topics; but you can remove all but the home address to see the home page:

http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=10.

There is also one organization which in many ways looks and sounds like TZM, but their proposed agenda is limited by the current, modern thinking we are trying to get away from. That's the Thrive group.

TZM's own media Festival has in some way changed it's mission to one that sounds significantly better than what we've seen. (I think most of you will have received mail on that?)

Ultimately, a uniting communication method is still missing. Jesse worked on something like that... and GDT is still working on such ideas, but still at its infancy.  But people everywhere, from this group, or wherever, should be united in such a way that things do come to pass ... as we had hoped for... The Venus Project is still on its own target, and its contribution will also add to the forward motion.

Coordinating, and bringing all these forces into a system of cooperative communication is the rub, and the really difficult task, I think. But maybe it can turn out to be easier in these times.

There's more, but I'll let others throw in some ideas!

So that's all for now.

Nick

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[Manuel Muro]

Hi Everyone,

I had a really cool discussion over the phone with Ben, sometimes
doing the e-mail thing just does not cut it for me! However, during
the conversation I told Ben about a 19-year old female student in
Egypt that has a great vision to get into outer space without using
any fuel at all! Instead she plans to use the energy that is readily
available throughout everywhere in the universe! Here is the link for
everyone to enjoy...I did!!!

http://www.fastcompany.com/1837966/mustafas-space-drive-egyptian-students-quantum-physics-invention

Hope for a better tomorrow is very much alive in my mind thanks to
efforts by people like this the world over! In the end, WE are all one
big family called Humanity! :)

For those non-technical people on this list-serve, the concept she
describes has been used since the invention of AM and physics concepts
that have been around for decades! With just a simple electronic
device called the diode, sometimes referred to as a crystal, along
with a few other simple electrical components, anybody can build a
"cystal" radio that is powered by the energy in the radio signal
itself and does not need to have a battery or any other energy source.
The difference between the student's invention and the "crystal" radio
is that her design is able to tap into much high frequencies that are
in the gamma ray spectrum. Gamma rays are signals which penetrate
everything, hence they are available everywhere in the universe.

Regards,


Manny

[Darrel Johannes]

Thanks Nick & Manny for your ideas . I heard a saying a while back that I think of at least once a week when considering our current global situation .  " If a man/woman waits until he/she is thirsty to dig a well is it to late"    For me that says it all . I know there are some really good energy alternatives , better ways of growing food , more humane ways of distributing the worlds goods and on and on .  But will we make it in time ?  All I can say when considering the REACTIVE nature of generally LAZY humans is I don't know . The problem is as I see it that the time to make positive lasting changes is while things are relatively calm and prosperous not when all Hell breaks loose . The more stressed people are the worse decisions they make and the more prone they are to Demagogs and giving their person power away to any father figure who promises to save them . Don;t get me wrong I still have hope and I take positive PROACTIVE actions weekly but to be real I think nothing less than a radical change of what is inside humanity is going to save this wonderfull world that we have been blessed with .    Darrel 

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Nick Polimeni <npol...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Ray A Curtis]

Gentlemen,
Thank you for all the positive ideas.  I keep hoping that there is something we can do to make a positive change for the better other than education and talking to people.   While I understand that it is important, it leaves me with the feeling of standing still while being passed by those that are actively trying to destroy our social structure, intentionally or not.  While I don't have much hope for politics as a source of positive change, I believe that we need to engage in it, at least in so far as voting.  If nothing else we need to vote to fight a rear guard action against the people who are using politics to rape, pillage and plunder our environment and society.   If nothing else we can prevent them from achieving their agendas, while we work toward a rational solution.   Money and politics are how things are controlled today.  If we are forced to participate in one (money), and refuse to participate in the other we are giving up what little power we have until we have built sufficient mass to make viable changes.   I would urge you all to Register and Vote in the upcoming elections.  If we can all vote for the things that represent the things that are closest to what we believe in, perhaps we can hold back the forces of darkness long enough to make a difference.  We will not improve our world by insisting that it be perfect before we support it, but by building alliances with the people who believe and work for things that are in the same direction we want to go.  I would like to use the analogy of a sailing boat.  By tacking in a direction that is slightly off course we can use the wind in our sails to make progress in the general direction we want to go, even if the wind is against us.  By voting for the candidates and issues most closely aligned with our directions we are at least making a statement of the direction we want to go.  By abdicating what little political power we have, we are simply empowering those that are working against us.
- Ray Curtis

[Nick Polimeni]

I don't really think people are lazy.  Most can't spare the time to dedicate at least one hour a week to dedicate to some kind of action or research about the future. They are too busy working sometimes two jobs, and feed the family, and care for the kids. I've one child that demands tons of time and attention. Fortunately, I am retired, and a small pension keeps me in room and board.

Another problem people have is being able to sift through enough information to figure out exactly what's going on, and even some such as myself, who have tons of time to read publications from around the world, find some perplexing situations, that obscure the real causes, and directions. To me this is now fairly clear, and I have a fairly clear idea of what to focus on. I talked about these things in my last post, and gave information on things I found worth while looking into.

I also sent a book that deals with people's ability to review and revise if necessary their take on reality, and unblock one's ability to evaluate what's happening, and so on.

I am personally training myself in the subject of energy, and ways to achieve eventual free energy. I also associate with people working on this, and the objective is to acquire some concrete solutions that can be implemented, because the technology has been resolved. In fact it has, but it's spread all over hell's acres, and one has to read hundred or thousands of pages to begin to see what's happening in this field.

I also plan to streamline my own web site to gather a lot of information on these topics, and hopefully, we'll get something out of the GDT, I think I mentioned last time...

What I suggest is that people, members of this community start communicating how they see things, and what they are doing they feel is worthwhile sharing with others.

Cheers,

Nick

[Nick Polimeni]

One big problem is getting others to buy into our idea of what to do. I don't bother voting anymore because whoever is up, is the same thing, and often when we thought it might be better, it's worse. I follow politics with special attention to what's being done in congress, and it's an uphill battle. Many people are already on it, so I do sometimes contribute money to specific issues; never to elect candidates. I don't know them, and have little or no time to learn about them; even good ones are seriously outnumbered.

As thing continue to worsen, as they have, basic survival will be important. There are groups of people in many regions of the US learning about food growth, permaculture, and other stuff. That is something anyone can do, that is, get with some such group and learn the basics necessary to survive. That each will have to do anyway, and it will not be a waste of time.

As I remember, Douglass Mallette with the Technology team (former coordinator, now spokesman) is running his own invested project for food production. Search him out on facebook, and from there, you can find out about his project.

So there is something anyone can do now, and it can be done close to home. Food sources will be important to survive.

I'm working on food project for the area I live in-...

Cheers,

Nick

[Nick Polimeni]

Hi, Manuel,

I've been living in China for a little over 10 years, and I believe you're in the Northwestern US... I can't imagine where we might have met. Anyway, when you get this mail, you should see my google email, and can see a picture in my profile... the picture is when I was around ten years ago or little more.

I am following MTKeshe foundation work (expanding Tesla's work and beyond), and the Nicola Tesla's work. I'm not an electrical engineering, or sufficiently familiar to build something myself now, but I'm talking to people that may be able, but if worse came to worse, I'm learning and training should it ever come to pass that building something falls on me.

As I mentioned in another post, I'm going to use my own domain to gather things I deem important to the work... and whenever I find something people are doing that might be useful.

You have 3 kids.  I think these are your best team, and you should encourage them to read up in these topics of energy, electricity, etc. (or whatever area of interest they might want to follow) for the future... I think kids haven't yet been told or bought into the "can't be done syndrome" and with your help and guidance, you can do something in your own back yard.
I think what you suggested may evolve naturally in what we do. Like a topic for the week, or whatever, can very well be initiated in this group for a while, until there is better software to handle large volume of communication. When I get better info, I will pass it on... and you can do the same when you find something that might be ready now....

Cheers,

Nick

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Manuel Muro <manny...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Nick,

     It would be great to meet up with you in person some time, we
probably met once at a meeting or event, but I am having trouble
putting a face to your name! ;)

      I really love your energy and awareness at your age! I am 41
years old with three young kids (7,8 & 10) along with work and a
strong desire to save the planet, i.e. not just America, life does and
seems to get rather crazy at time! :(

     However, reading what you have posted on this e-mailing group,
the idea came to me that we could work together as a communal group to
put together a generational perspective blog. Since you are retired,
you can pick the topic of concern for the day, week or month (possibly
all three) and then have banks of people from different age groups to
chime on the topic from their generational perspective. There would be
the teens (yes, they are active in the movement and are awaken in
general), 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70, and 80s and leave some space
for active 90'ers. What I am certain we will see is that we can all
come together to solve any problem and we will re-affirm that we are
ALL in this together! I would think that this would be a hot blog and
might even get "attacked" by "our" government for giving people too
much information and/or too much hope for a better tomorrow, but we
need to do something like this. We should have a community action
section where people could learn about projects that people are
working on where people can volunteer their time to help out on moving
the project(s) forward at a greater pace than would otherwise be
possible. I know of some projects and some I am working on myself!

   P.S. - I am in the rat race at the present, but if you are in the
Beaverton/Hillsboro/Tanasborne area of Portland Metro feel free to
give me a call on my cell phone at (503) 713-8056 and maybe we can
grab lunch sometime!

Regards,


Manny

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[JonDYou]

My guess is he is a former Republican - to them everyone else is lazy.  Anyone who is not a sucessful business person is a lazy fat ass.  I see it all the time.  GOP brainwashing.  Ignore it.

[Manuel Muro]

Hi Nick,

   I guess we have not met, since you have been in China. Yes, I live in the Portland, Oregon area!

   Actually, I am an electrical engineer and I have already taught my kids how to build electric circuits...including well over 150 elementary students in the Portland metro area. Something that I plan to continue to do, as education and technology are the two things, as from my kids, that keeps me excited about waking up the next day. As you can tell by this list serve group we are all very active and I am certainly connecting with others on projects to help eliminate our dependancies on governments and/or corporations!

    Well, if I find myself in China, I will certainly try to sync up with you if that is possible or allowable!

Regards,

Manny

[Nick Polimeni]

I think Reagan with his attack on poor people, and welfare queen stuff created an image trashing people... making them feel guilty for things they have little or no control over. "The great communicator" had a way of making normal, look bad such as he did...

That's why I thought if people used the information in the Consciousness I posted, they would be able to re-evaluate their opinion and relate it more closely to fact, rather than PR way of expressing or re-naming things with false nuances, by using clever truth sounding nonsense.

Nick

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:28 AM, JonDYou <jon...@yahoo.com> wrote:

My guess is he is a former Republican - to them everyone else is lazy.  Anyone who is not a successful business person is a lazy fat ass.  I see it all the time.  GOP brainwashing.  Ignore it.

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[Nick Polimeni]

Manuel,

What you are telling me I find as incredibly good news... with students you have, and the fact you are an electrical Engineer... To me that means the resources to build something like what Tesla had in mind. Kids love projects... and I have no doubts they'd like to get involved in a long term project of this type... lots of research, tests of this that and the other...

I would urge you to engage young minds into the process...

I'm going to send some private mail so as not to burden this group with a lot of technical information (people interested in technical details can write you/me and ask for it). But I would like to keep this group informed on what is happening. Who knows, maybe we end up finding some angels who can help fund the research and development.

Cheers,

Nick

[Ray A Curtis]

Nick,
I have been following this thread with some interest.  I have some background in electronics, mainly computers and telecommunications at a technician level rather than an engineering but can follow and contribute to most engineering discussions.  I followed up on your link to the Keshe Foundation and found it interesting but relatively unconvincing I was expecting something other than a coke bottle with some nails in it, but couldn't find anything that was built past that.   None the less, I am interesting in anything you have researched that you find interesting and worth pursuing.

Ray Curtis
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[Nick Polimeni]

Ray,

The Keshe Foundation is interesting to me because of what MTKeshe talks about with regards to releasing their "world changing" technology to all governments. I have only marginally inspected each invention... and there isn't enough to evaluate, but I'm also attracted by it because there's a lot that is based on Tesla's discoveries.  We'll have to see what it's really about when the stuff is released to the world. Meanwhile, Manuel, a member of this community, is also interested in doing some energy project with his students. ...

I'm sure it will be worthwhile keeping in touch with him, and see how thing develop.

Not being an electrical engineer, all I can do is follow someone's lead that knows better than me, and keep learning. I've met a fellow who has already built some tests of aspects of the Tesla stuff, and so far, successful. In the coming days, I'll get him together with this project. We'll see what can be done!

Cheers,
Nick
Nick

[JonDYou]

Still having some trouble navigating this site.  Confusing.

Well put.  It is hard to impliment an alternative, and They have made many laws that make it near impossible.  Hell, we can't even feed the poor without a license.  Or have anyone do any work without the Labor Laws applying.

 

What we need to do is be ready.  We may not be able to do it now, but we can be ready when this system collapeses.  Spell chck?  Nope.  Sorry.  I'm terrible.

 

I'm also not working.  I think it's up to us to get things going, whatever we can get going.  Food, shelter, and clothing are the first of the primary needs that should be any starting point.  

 

Forest service is ordering thousands of rounds of hollow point.  Guess going to the forest post-collapse it out.  Bastards.

 

So perhaps defence should be in the list somewhere.  Energy.  We should all know how to make hydrogen for cooking and power.  So much.  But the journey of a thousand miles.

 

Jon 

 

[Nick Polimeni]

Let's hope some member of this community will help install some better method than this for communication. There are many, but for now, we can manage.

Buckminster Fuller made an interesting, and quite intelligent remark, which I believe applies here:

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

We can't focus on barriers, other than to study them in order to circumvent them, even if through civil disobedience. We didn't make those laws; they were made by those who want to control us.

To feed the poor we start with the poor at home, and our community, and those who can and want, should join food production projects. Labor laws were originally made to protect protect children from slave labor; later to protect common people against abuse by oppressive bosses.

We don't oppress, and we don't harm others. Nobody can take away our right to help others... not even laws.

We can't engage in violence with governments or police, as from that, only blood baths come... and more Wacko's. But we do need to be clever and, yes, have some kinds of plans to avert their attacks, which if they take place, would be unwarranted.

Working community will most likely prevent such attacks, because they normally get generated within the community internal strifes, and often against a 'close group" that the community tends to reject. We want to be inclusive, and when our productivity begins to increase, cautious and alert, and have ways to protect it...

Cheers,

Nick

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, JonDYou <jon...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Still having some trouble navigating this site.  Confusing.

Well put.  It is hard to impliment an alternative, and They have made many laws that make it near impossible.  Hell, we can't even feed the poor without a license.  Or have anyone do any work without the Labor Laws applying.

 

What we need to do is be ready.  We may not be able to do it now, but we can be ready when this system collapeses.  Spell chck?  Nope.  Sorry.  I'm terrible.

 

I'm also not working.  I think it's up to us to get things going, whatever we can get going.  Food, shelter, and clothing are the first of the primary needs that should be any starting point.  

 

Forest service is ordering thousands of rounds of hollow point.  Guess going to the forest post-collapse it out.  Bastards.

 

So perhaps defense should be in the list somewhere.  Energy.  We should all know how to make hydrogen for cooking and power.  So much.  But the journey of a thousand miles.

 

Jon 

 

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(this is a test - just posted a reply, but I got it back as undelivered. Funny, since I have posted in this group before.)

[Ai: Man]

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” - that`s exactly how I see it; but to me it`s called ignoring the current society where it builds on illusive rules. 

The following words came back in my inbox, "undelivered". Dunno why. I therefore try sending again:

Hi,

My two cents on this: No voting; we can not continue using what is causing social unrest. As a matter of fact, by demonstrating at weekends, going to work during the week, we keep supporting the regime. I have dropped everything in my hands, I only use money when - if otherwise - it would kill me. We all need to eat!! You all know what keeps the stagnating wheels going; we gotta avoid that. Don`t pay back loans, don`t get yourself any new loans!! If you got money in the bank, get it out, check in for welfare checks (if you live in a country that has it!!), earn some money outside the tax system if possible (and - off course - only if you need to). You know what drives this system, and you can use it to your advantage. Don`t follow manmade rules as a guideline. You are allowed to do anything that does not kill yourself or anyone else. 

"I am your greatest responsibility, you are mine". No insurance company will ever be able to top that one - as it is free and true security.  

Solution must be to live the change you want to see, means, educating ourselves, talking to the community around us - everyone every day, BUILDING a community OUTSIDE the regime. We have to portray how this is done. We have to show to others what they could have. This is psychology; most people can not grasp a world outside money. To some money is like water and air; life does not exist without it. We all know that`s an illusion, but nevertheless.. that`s what we have on a daily basis, a world population living an illusion. 

It would be nice if someone would help me and sign up for this: http://www.blurb.com/user/Use32twelve 

Take a look at "The Thin Grey Duke :31,21". It`s a statement, and you can be demonstrative about the current situation even while you are  asleep. It`s taking a stand; it´s the future culture of sharing in order to survive, no longer it is doing business for survival. In the future we (truly) help each other, means we understand reality for a change, and we`re not punishers, weighed down my opinion. There is only one catch to it, BLURB wants one copy sold when you create an account, but the paper book edition is cheap.. and I can`t possible pay for every copy donated! I am flat broke due to the current protest I am aiming at society. Here is an example though, and I know the one using it never got a copy for himself; in otherwise words, if you sign up, not paying for a private copy, your edition might very well stay up in their shop. 

Here is an example on how it could be done (at least that`s how he liked it to be): http://www.blurb.com/user/AiBooks1-1 ..it`s a free project, and anything is possible. 

If you`re on Facebook, here are some links related to the project: http://www.facebook.com/memorialsymbolofm0netaryeconomics & http://www.facebook.com/AiG.soUND 

It`s no surprise Facebook fights this, I have the feeling it`s "filtered"; in other words.. it could use some support. It wants social change, it seeks a boycott of the monetary system. System, to be clear, is the nice nickname for "regime". 

If I may point at something that is highly enlightening, it has to be the following: http://archive.org/details/RobertSapolsky-BiologyAndHumanBehavior It does explain a lot about why we`re still not that evolved. It makes me swallow the current situation a bit easier.  

Let`s gather. Let`s be an example. I am currently located in Denmark, where are you kind people from?

Constructive regards,

A.