>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been > working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years > should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things > that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several > jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development > environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out > buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements > will apply anyway.
> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer > should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the > more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the > original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter > is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery).
jhilgeman wrote: >> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been > working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years > should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things > that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several > jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development > environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out > buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements > will apply anyway.
> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer > should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the > more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the > original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter > is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I > don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings > from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" > built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral > bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in > Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so those >> of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >> reality, please enlighten me.
>> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be a >> master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> organization and communication skills.
>> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? >> Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >> gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >> well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, >> but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >> "... monitoring >> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> Thoughts?
>> e
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime position in Baltimore, MD
>>> Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>>> *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >>> design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based >>> services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants to >>> work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>>> The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>>> . Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, this >>> position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >>> testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, interactive >>> forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The PHP >>> Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build web >>> applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >>> authentication server, and databases.
>>> . This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web sites >>> using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, JavaScript, >>> AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >>> modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps and >>> written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end components.
>>> . The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content Management >>> System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS based >>> Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >>> settings, and web environment requirements.
>>> . This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale web >>> application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents, and >>> HTML), and dynamic data.
>>> . The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical and >>> non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, technical >>> specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web applications.
>>> . This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online >>> technologies.
>>> . The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with monitoring >>> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
>>> *Requirements:*
>>> . Bachelor's degree with three or more years experience in designing, >>> programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or equivalent >>> years combination of education and significant related experience).
>>> .Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >>> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >>> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >>> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >>> organization and communication skills.
>>> *Preferred:*
>>> .Experience working with APIs such as Google Apps, relational database >>> concepts, PL/SQL, Java, web monitoring concepts and reporting tools, mass >>> emailing software such as Lyris or Listserv, project management and >>> ecommerce.
>>> Please include sample URLs or an online portfolio with your resume.
>>> Will provide employer name during discussion of position.
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For the record, this is just wrong: " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
[mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements will apply anyway.
The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: > So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so those > of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment > reality, please enlighten me.
> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be a > master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent > organization and communication skills.
> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? > Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, > gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as > well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, > but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: > "... monitoring > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> Thoughts?
> e
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime position in Baltimore, MD
> > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
> > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, > > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based > > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants to > > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
> > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
> > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, this > > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, > > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, interactive > > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The PHP > > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build web > > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, > > authentication server, and databases.
> > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web sites > > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, JavaScript, > > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other > > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps and > > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end components.
> > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content Management > > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS based > > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security > > settings, and web environment requirements.
> > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale web > > application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents, and > > HTML), and dynamic data.
> > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical and > > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, technical > > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web applications.
> > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online > > technologies.
> > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with monitoring > > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
> > *Requirements:*
> > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, > > programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or equivalent > > years combination of education and significant related experience).
> > •Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for > > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern > > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, > > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent > > organization and communication skills.
> > *Preferred:*
> > •Experience working with APIs such as Google Apps, relational database > > concepts, PL/SQL, Java, web monitoring concepts and reporting tools, mass > > emailing software such as Lyris or Listserv, project management and > > ecommerce.
> > Please include sample URLs or an online portfolio with your resume.
> > Will provide employer name during discussion of position.
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM, @Jobmatchbox <em...@jobmatchbox.com> wrote: > For the record, this is just wrong: > " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. > Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and > the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). > It's > why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original > company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
> There are four ways recruiters make money. If you want to know what they > are there is an article that clarifies this here:
> -----Original Message----- > From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com > [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM > To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group > Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
> > All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been > working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years > should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things > that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several > jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development > environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out > buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements > will apply anyway.
> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer > should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the > more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the > original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter > is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I > don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings > from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" > built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral > bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in > Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so > those > > of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment > > reality, please enlighten me.
> > This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to > be > a > > master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
> > Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for > > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in > modern > > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, > > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent > > organization and communication skills.
> > So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP > expert? > > Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, > > gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as > > well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, > > but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: > > "... monitoring > > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
> > All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> > Thoughts?
> > e
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker > <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime > position in Baltimore, MD
> > > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
> > > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, > > > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and > web-based > > > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants > to > > > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
> > > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
> > > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, > this > > > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, > > > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, > interactive > > > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The > PHP > > > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build > web > > > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, > > > authentication server, and databases.
> > > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web > sites > > > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, > JavaScript, > > > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other > > > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps > and > > > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end > components.
> > > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content > Management > > > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS > based > > > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security > > > settings, and web environment requirements.
> > > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale > web > > > application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents, > and > > > HTML), and dynamic data.
> > > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical > and > > > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, > technical > > > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web > applications.
> > > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online > > > technologies.
> > > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with > monitoring > > > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
> > > *Requirements:*
> > > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, > > > programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or > equivalent > > > years combination of education and significant related experience).
> > > •Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS > for > > > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in > modern > > > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, > > > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent > > > organization and communication skills.
> > > *Preferred:*
> > > •Experience working with APIs such as Google Apps, relational database > > > concepts, PL/SQL, Java, web monitoring concepts and reporting tools, > mass > > > emailing software such as Lyris or Listserv, project management and > > > ecommerce.
> > > Please include sample URLs or an online portfolio with your resume.
> > > Will provide employer name during discussion of position.
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> Did the jobmatchbox site just get PHP-dotted? Wandered down to the recent > comments rail (lower right) and none of them load ...
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM, @Jobmatchbox <em...@jobmatchbox.com>wrote:
>> For the record, this is just wrong: >> " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. >> Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and >> the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). >> It's >> why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original >> company >> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >> company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
>> There are four ways recruiters make money. If you want to know what they >> are there is an article that clarifies this here:
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman >> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM >> To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group >> Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>> > All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been >> working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years >> should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things >> that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several >> jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development >> environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out >> buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements >> will apply anyway.
>> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer >> should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the >> more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the >> original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter >> is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I >> don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company >> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >> company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
>> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings >> from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" >> built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral >> bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
>> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in >> Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
>> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so >> those >> > of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >> > reality, please enlighten me.
>> > This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to >> be >> a >> > master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>> > Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >> > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in >> modern >> > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> > organization and communication skills.
>> > So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP >> expert? >> > Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >> > gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >> > well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for >> sure, >> > but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >> > "... monitoring >> > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>> > All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> > Thoughts?
>> > e
>> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker >> <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime >> position in Baltimore, MD
>> > > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>> > > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >> > > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and >> web-based >> > > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who >> wants >> to >> > > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>> > > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>> > > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, >> this >> > > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >> > > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, >> interactive >> > > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The >> PHP >> > > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to >> build >> web >> > > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >> > > authentication server, and databases.
>> > > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web >> sites >> > > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, >> JavaScript, >> > > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >> > > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps >> and >> > > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end >> components.
>> > > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content >> Management >> > > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS >> based >> > > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >> > > settings, and web environment requirements.
>> > > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and >> scale >> web >> > > application code, web content (including images, rich media, >> documents, >> and >> > > HTML), and dynamic data.
>> > > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical >> and >> > > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, >> technical >> > > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web >> applications.
>> > > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online >> > > technologies.
>> > > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with >> monitoring >> > > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
>> > > *Requirements:*
>> > > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, >> > > programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or >> equivalent >> > > years combination of education and significant related experience).
>> > > •Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS >> for >> > > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in >> modern >> > > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> > > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> > > organization and communication skills.
>> > > *Preferred:*
>> > > •Experience working with APIs such as Google Apps, relational database >> > > concepts, PL/SQL, Java, web monitoring concepts and reporting tools, >> mass >> > > emailing software such as Lyris or Listserv, project management and >> > > ecommerce.
>> > > Please include sample URLs or an online portfolio with your resume.
>> > > Will provide employer name during discussion of position.
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While I understand your post tries to say that there are many ways that agencies make money and that not all of them are bad, I have to disagree with the statement that they are only a few cases where highway robbery is committed.
Me and my gf recently moved to the DC metro area and she got a job though an agency. Her job so happen to be for a small company and she was the office manager. Part of her duties was payroll. She actually cut the check for her normal salary for 6 months and watched her check come back to her with a 45% cut off the top. So for the first 6 months she had to accept half salary. This agency was not a small shop either they were a large company placing thousands of people. At that rate they are making a killing.
I know there are good agencies out there but the bad ones are more than just a few. Especially when the large agencies placing a large number of people are the bad ones. It takes a lot of smaller agencies doing it better to out weigh that.
PS. I founded and ran for 3 years the Jacksonville, FL PHP user group. My policy on job posts from recruiters was simple. Make an improper post and you will be kicked and your post deleted. Most of the rules surrounded being open and honest.
To me this is not just a PHP list is goes deeper to the fact that PHP is open source which has a different nature all to itself. A posting has to include not only information about the job but information about the company, including specific information like company name, website, etc. Looking for a job is a 2 way street. It is not just a company looking for a good employee but also an employee looking for a good company.
Many recruiters would not provide that on fear that you can go around them. To me that is the first sign of someone I do not want to work with. If the company that hires you doesn't trust you with their HR then why should I trust you. If the agency was a good business providing a good service at a good cost, no one would want to go around you because they would lose you as a resource. Only someone that has something fear has something to hide.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:14, @Jobmatchbox <em...@jobmatchbox.com> wrote: > For the record, this is just wrong: > " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. > Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and > the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's > why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
> -----Original Message----- > From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com > [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM > To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group > Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been > working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years > should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things > that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several > jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development > environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out > buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements > will apply anyway.
> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer > should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the > more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the > original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter > is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I > don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings > from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" > built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral > bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in > Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so > those >> of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >> reality, please enlighten me.
>> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be > a >> master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> organization and communication skills.
>> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? >> Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >> gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >> well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, >> but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >> "... monitoring >> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> Thoughts?
>> e
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker > <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime > position in Baltimore, MD
>> > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>> > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >> > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based >> > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants > to >> > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>> > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>> > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, > this >> > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >> > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, > interactive >> > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The > PHP >> > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build > web >> > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >> > authentication server, and databases.
>> > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web > sites >> > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, > JavaScript, >> > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >> > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps > and >> > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end > components.
>> > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content > Management >> > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS > based >> > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >> > settings, and web environment requirements.
>> > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale > web >> > application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents, > and >> > HTML), and dynamic data.
>> > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical > and >> > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, technical >> > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web applications.
>> > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online >> > technologies.
>> > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with > monitoring >> > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
>> > *Requirements:*
>> > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, >> > programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or > equivalent >> > years combination of education and significant related experience).
>> > •Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS > for >> > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in > modern >> > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> > organization and communication skills.
>> > *Preferred:*
>> > •Experience working with APIs such as Google Apps, relational database >> > concepts, PL/SQL, Java, web monitoring concepts and reporting tools, > mass >> > emailing software such as Lyris or Listserv, project management and >> > ecommerce.
>> > Please include sample URLs or an online portfolio with your resume.
>> > Will provide employer name during discussion of position.
"Only someone that has something fear has something to hide."
With respect, I really hope you only mean that in the context of business. Because, if not, the ghosts of every person on earth who fell in battle against oppression of freedom, privacy, or happiness, may beg to disagree with you. :)
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:06 AM, dragonwize <dragonw...@gmail.com> wrote: > @Jobmatchbox
> While I understand your post tries to say that there are many ways > that agencies make money and that not all of them are bad, I have to > disagree with the statement that they are only a few cases where > highway robbery is committed.
> Me and my gf recently moved to the DC metro area and she got a job > though an agency. Her job so happen to be for a small company and she > was the office manager. Part of her duties was payroll. She actually > cut the check for her normal salary for 6 months and watched her check > come back to her with a 45% cut off the top. So for the first 6 months > she had to accept half salary. This agency was not a small shop either > they were a large company placing thousands of people. At that rate > they are making a killing.
> I know there are good agencies out there but the bad ones are more > than just a few. Especially when the large agencies placing a large > number of people are the bad ones. It takes a lot of smaller agencies > doing it better to out weigh that.
> PS. I founded and ran for 3 years the Jacksonville, FL PHP user group. > My policy on job posts from recruiters was simple. Make an improper > post and you will be kicked and your post deleted. Most of the rules > surrounded being open and honest.
> To me this is not just a PHP list is goes deeper to the fact that PHP > is open source which has a different nature all to itself. A posting > has to include not only information about the job but information > about the company, including specific information like company name, > website, etc. Looking for a job is a 2 way street. It is not just a > company looking for a good employee but also an employee looking for a > good company.
> Many recruiters would not provide that on fear that you can go around > them. To me that is the first sign of someone I do not want to work > with. If the company that hires you doesn't trust you with their HR > then why should I trust you. If the agency was a good business > providing a good service at a good cost, no one would want to go > around you because they would lose you as a resource. Only someone > that has something fear has something to hide.
> -- > Alan Doucette
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:14, @Jobmatchbox <em...@jobmatchbox.com> wrote: >> For the record, this is just wrong: >> " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. >> Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and >> the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's >> why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company >> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >> company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman >> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM >> To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group >> Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been >> working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years >> should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things >> that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several >> jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development >> environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out >> buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements >> will apply anyway.
>> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer >> should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the >> more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the >> original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter >> is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I >> don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company >> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >> company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
>> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings >> from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" >> built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral >> bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
>> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in >> Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
>> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so >> those >>> of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >>> reality, please enlighten me.
>>> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be >> a >>> master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>>> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >>> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >>> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >>> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >>> organization and communication skills.
>>> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? >>> Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >>> gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >>> well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, >>> but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >>> "... monitoring >>> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>>> Thoughts?
>>> e
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker >> <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime >> position in Baltimore, MD
>>> > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>>> > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >>> > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based >>> > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants >> to >>> > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>>> > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>>> > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, >> this >>> > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >>> > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, >> interactive >>> > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The >> PHP >>> > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build >> web >>> > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >>> > authentication server, and databases.
>>> > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web >> sites >>> > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, >> JavaScript, >>> > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >>> > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps >> and >>> > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end >> components.
>>> > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content >> Management >>> > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS >> based >>> > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >>> > settings, and web environment requirements.
>>> > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale >> web >>> > application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents, >> and >>> > HTML), and dynamic data.
>>> > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical >> and >>> > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, technical >>> > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web applications.
>>> > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online >>> > technologies.
>>> > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with >> monitoring >>> > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
>>> > *Requirements:*
>>> > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, >>> > programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or >> equivalent >>> > years combination of education and significant related experience).
>>> > •Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS >> for >>> > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in >> modern >>> > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >>> > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:34, Marcel Esser <marcel.es...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Only someone that has something fear has something to hide."
> With respect, I really hope you only mean that in the context of > business. Because, if not, the ghosts of every person on earth who > fell in battle against oppression of freedom, privacy, or happiness, > may beg to disagree with you. :)
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:06 AM, dragonwize <dragonw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> @Jobmatchbox
>> While I understand your post tries to say that there are many ways >> that agencies make money and that not all of them are bad, I have to >> disagree with the statement that they are only a few cases where >> highway robbery is committed.
>> Me and my gf recently moved to the DC metro area and she got a job >> though an agency. Her job so happen to be for a small company and she >> was the office manager. Part of her duties was payroll. She actually >> cut the check for her normal salary for 6 months and watched her check >> come back to her with a 45% cut off the top. So for the first 6 months >> she had to accept half salary. This agency was not a small shop either >> they were a large company placing thousands of people. At that rate >> they are making a killing.
>> I know there are good agencies out there but the bad ones are more >> than just a few. Especially when the large agencies placing a large >> number of people are the bad ones. It takes a lot of smaller agencies >> doing it better to out weigh that.
>> PS. I founded and ran for 3 years the Jacksonville, FL PHP user group. >> My policy on job posts from recruiters was simple. Make an improper >> post and you will be kicked and your post deleted. Most of the rules >> surrounded being open and honest.
>> To me this is not just a PHP list is goes deeper to the fact that PHP >> is open source which has a different nature all to itself. A posting >> has to include not only information about the job but information >> about the company, including specific information like company name, >> website, etc. Looking for a job is a 2 way street. It is not just a >> company looking for a good employee but also an employee looking for a >> good company.
>> Many recruiters would not provide that on fear that you can go around >> them. To me that is the first sign of someone I do not want to work >> with. If the company that hires you doesn't trust you with their HR >> then why should I trust you. If the agency was a good business >> providing a good service at a good cost, no one would want to go >> around you because they would lose you as a resource. Only someone >> that has something fear has something to hide.
>> -- >> Alan Doucette
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:14, @Jobmatchbox <em...@jobmatchbox.com> wrote: >>> For the record, this is just wrong: >>> " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. >>> Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and >>> the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's >>> why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company >>> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >>> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >>> company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
>>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM >>> To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group >>> Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>>>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>>> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been >>> working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years >>> should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things >>> that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several >>> jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development >>> environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out >>> buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements >>> will apply anyway.
>>> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer >>> should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the >>> more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the >>> original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter >>> is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I >>> don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company >>> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >>> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >>> company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
>>> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings >>> from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" >>> built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral >>> bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
>>> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in >>> Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
>>> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so >>> those >>>> of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >>>> reality, please enlighten me.
>>>> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be >>> a >>>> master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>>>> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >>>> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >>>> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >>>> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >>>> organization and communication skills.
>>>> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? >>>> Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >>>> gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >>>> well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, >>>> but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >>>> "... monitoring >>>> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>>>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> e
>>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker >>> <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime >>> position in Baltimore, MD
>>>> > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>>>> > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >>>> > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based >>>> > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants >>> to >>>> > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>>>> > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>>>> > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, >>> this >>>> > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >>>> > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, >>> interactive >>>> > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The >>> PHP >>>> > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build >>> web >>>> > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >>>> > authentication server, and databases.
>>>> > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web >>> sites >>>> > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, >>> JavaScript, >>>> > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >>>> > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps >>> and >>>> > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end >>> components.
>>>> > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content >>> Management >>>> > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS >>> based >>>> > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >>>> > settings, and web environment requirements.
>>>> > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale >>> web >>>> > application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents, >>> and >>>> > HTML), and dynamic data.
>>>> > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical >>> and >>>> > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, technical >>>> > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web applications.
>>>> > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online >>>> > technologies.
>>>> > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with >>> monitoring >>>> > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
>>>> > *Requirements:*
>>>> > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, >>>> > programming, and planning web sites
[mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dragonwize Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:07 AM To: @Jobmatchbox Cc: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group Subject: Re: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
@Jobmatchbox
While I understand your post tries to say that there are many ways that agencies make money and that not all of them are bad, I have to disagree with the statement that they are only a few cases where highway robbery is committed.
Me and my gf recently moved to the DC metro area and she got a job though an agency. Her job so happen to be for a small company and she was the office manager. Part of her duties was payroll. She actually cut the check for her normal salary for 6 months and watched her check come back to her with a 45% cut off the top. So for the first 6 months she had to accept half salary. This agency was not a small shop either they were a large company placing thousands of people. At that rate they are making a killing.
I know there are good agencies out there but the bad ones are more than just a few. Especially when the large agencies placing a large number of people are the bad ones. It takes a lot of smaller agencies doing it better to out weigh that.
PS. I founded and ran for 3 years the Jacksonville, FL PHP user group. My policy on job posts from recruiters was simple. Make an improper post and you will be kicked and your post deleted. Most of the rules surrounded being open and honest.
To me this is not just a PHP list is goes deeper to the fact that PHP is open source which has a different nature all to itself. A posting has to include not only information about the job but information about the company, including specific information like company name, website, etc. Looking for a job is a 2 way street. It is not just a company looking for a good employee but also an employee looking for a good company.
Many recruiters would not provide that on fear that you can go around them. To me that is the first sign of someone I do not want to work with. If the company that hires you doesn't trust you with their HR then why should I trust you. If the agency was a good business providing a good service at a good cost, no one would want to go around you because they would lose you as a resource. Only someone that has something fear has something to hide.
-- Alan Doucette
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:14, @Jobmatchbox <em...@jobmatchbox.com> wrote: > For the record, this is just wrong: > " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. > Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and > the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's > why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
> There are four ways recruiters make money. If you want to know what they > are there is an article that clarifies this here:
> -----Original Message----- > From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com > [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM > To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group > Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been > working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years > should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things > that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several > jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development > environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out > buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements > will apply anyway.
> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer > should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the > more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the > original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter > is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I > don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings > from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" > built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral > bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in > Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so > those >> of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >> reality, please enlighten me.
>> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be > a >> master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> organization and communication skills.
>> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? >> Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >> gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >> well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, >> but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >> "... monitoring >> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> Thoughts?
>> e
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker > <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime > position in Baltimore, MD
>> > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>> > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >> > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based >> > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants > to >> > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>> > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>> > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, > this >> > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >> > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, > interactive >> > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The > PHP >> > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build > web >> > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >> > authentication server, and databases.
>> > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web > sites >> > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, > JavaScript, >> > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >> > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps > and >> > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end > components.
>> > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content > Management >> > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS > based >> > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >> > settings, and web environment requirements.
>> > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale > web >> > application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents, > and >> > HTML), and dynamic data.
>> > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical > and >> > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, technical >> > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web applications.
>> > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online >> > technologies.
>> > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with > monitoring >> > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
>> > *Requirements:*
>> > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, >> > programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or > equivalent >> > years combination of education and significant related experience).
>> > •Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS > for >> > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in > modern >> > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> > organization and communication skills.
Just the messenger - I do not know the hiring team.
Talented Engineer/Activist Tech position at Doctors for America ----------------
Doctors for America, a grassroots, non-profit advocacy organization that utilizes on on-line organizing tools to mobilize physicians in favor health care reform, is looking for a three month, temporary IT whiz to help us with pending website redesign, creation of custom CMS, web tool design and update and database management. Must be available full time starting March 1st. The right candidate could become fulltime, full benefits in June. Ideal applicant would have experience developing websites with custom CMSs; 2-3 years experience with PHP development, mysql databasing, javascript; 2-3 years experience with javascript, HTML, css; prefer experience with AJAX based development and highly prefer experience with development of tools for advocacy groups. Campaign IT experience and familiarity with non-traditional work schedules a plus.
Responsibilities:
* Creation of a custom site CMS for - addition and management of content - tracking of member activities - integration of online advocacy tools (petitions, donations, etc.)
* Porting of existing online infrastructure - import of existing pages into CMS - import of numerous mysql databases containing user information and activities
* Development of online advocacy tools - creation of online tools for calling congress, writing Letters to the editor, fundraising, story banking, creating petitions, etc.
- emphasis on streamlined user experience, customizable tools and analyzable aggregate data
* Development of campaign management infrastructure - create a shared campaign management system for collaborative campaign execution by a dispersed field team - such a system would track progress towards individual and regional goals - provide real time feedback on campaign progress to organizers and participants Compensation: $4,000 per month. To apply: Email resume, cover letter and at least three links to your online work to: _drsforamerica.resu...@gmail.com
> Probably not optimal to have your error page toss quite that much > information ...
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Did the jobmatchbox site just get PHP-dotted? Wandered down to the recent >> comments rail (lower right) and none of them load ...
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM, @Jobmatchbox <em...@jobmatchbox.com>wrote:
>>> For the record, this is just wrong: >>> " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. >>> Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k >>> and >>> the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). >>> It's >>> why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original >>> company >>> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >>> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >>> company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
>>> There are four ways recruiters make money. If you want to know what they >>> are there is an article that clarifies this here:
>>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM >>> To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group >>> Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>>> > All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>>> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been >>> working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years >>> should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things >>> that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several >>> jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development >>> environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out >>> buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements >>> will apply anyway.
>>> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer >>> should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the >>> more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the >>> original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter >>> is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I >>> don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company >>> still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% >>> "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the >>> company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
>>> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings >>> from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" >>> built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral >>> bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
>>> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in >>> Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
>>> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger <ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so >>> those >>> > of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >>> > reality, please enlighten me.
>>> > This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to >>> be >>> a >>> > master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>>> > Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >>> > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in >>> modern >>> > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >>> > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >>> > organization and communication skills.
>>> > So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP >>> expert? >>> > Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all >>> that, >>> > gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy >>> as >>> > well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for >>> sure, >>> > but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >>> > "... monitoring >>> > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>>> > All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>>> > Thoughts?
>>> > e
>>> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker >>> <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime >>> position in Baltimore, MD
>>> > > Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>>> > > *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides >>> development, >>> > > design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and >>> web-based >>> > > services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who >>> wants >>> to >>> > > work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>>> > > The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>>> > > • Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools, >>> this >>> > > position is the lead developer for planning, developing, >>> implementing, >>> > > testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules, >>> interactive >>> > > forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. >>> The >>> PHP >>> > > Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to >>> build >>> web >>> > > applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >>> > > authentication server, and databases.
>>> > > • This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web >>> sites >>> > > using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML, >>> JavaScript, >>> > > AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and >>> other >>> > > modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design >>> comps >>> and >>> > > written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end >>> components.
>>> > > • The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content >>> Management >>> > > System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS >>> based >>> > > Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >>> > > settings, and web environment requirements.
>>> > > • This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and >>> scale >>> web >>> > > application code, web content (including images, rich media, >>> documents, >>> and >>> > > HTML), and dynamic data.
>>> > > • The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical >>> and >>> > > non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, >>> technical >>> > > specifications, and requirements for new web sites and web >>> applications.
>>> > > • This position will evaluate and recommend emerging web / online >>> > > technologies.
>>> > > • The PHP Developer will support Information Systems staff with >>> monitoring >>> > > sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security.
>>> > > *Requirements:*
>>> > > • Bachelor’s degree with three or more years experience in designing, >>> > > programming, and planning web sites and applications required (or >>> equivalent >>> > > years combination of education and significant related experience).
>>> > > •Must have demonstrable mastery of *PHP*, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, >>> CSS >>> for >>> > > layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in >>> modern >>> > > web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >>> > > experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >>> > > organization and communication skills.
>>> > > *Preferred:*
>>> > > •Experience working with APIs such as Google Apps, relational >>> database >>> > > concepts, PL/SQL, Java, web monitoring concepts and reporting tools, >>> mass >>> > > emailing software such as Lyris or Listserv, project management and >>> > > ecommerce.
>>> > > Please include sample URLs or an online portfolio with your resume.
>>> > > Will provide employer name during discussion of position.
>>> > > -- >>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > > Group: "Washington, DC PHP Developers Group" -http://www.dcphp.net >>> > > To post, send email to
@Jobmatchbox wrote: > Just the messenger - I do not know the hiring team.
> Talented Engineer/Activist Tech position at Doctors for America > ----------------
> Doctors for America, a grassroots, non-profit advocacy organization that > utilizes on on-line organizing tools to mobilize physicians in favor health > care reform, is looking for a three month, temporary IT whiz to help us > with pending website redesign, creation of custom CMS, web tool design and > update and database management. Must be available full time starting March > 1st. The right candidate could become fulltime, full benefits in June. > Ideal applicant would have experience developing websites with custom > CMSs; 2-3 years experience with PHP development, mysql databasing, > javascript; > 2-3 years experience with javascript, HTML, css; prefer experience with > AJAX based development and highly prefer experience with development of > tools > for advocacy groups. Campaign IT experience and familiarity with > non-traditional work schedules a plus.
> Responsibilities:
> * Creation of a custom site CMS for > - addition and management of content > - tracking of member activities > - integration of online advocacy tools (petitions, donations, etc.)
> * Porting of existing online infrastructure > - import of existing pages into CMS > - import of numerous mysql databases containing user information and > activities
> * Development of online advocacy tools > - creation of online tools for calling congress, writing Letters to the > editor, fundraising, story banking, creating petitions, etc.
> - emphasis on streamlined user experience, customizable tools and > analyzable aggregate data
> * Development of campaign management infrastructure > - create a shared campaign management system for collaborative campaign > execution by a dispersed field team > - such a system would track progress towards individual and regional goals > - provide real time feedback on campaign progress to organizers and > participants > Compensation: $4,000 per month. > To apply: Email resume, cover letter and at least three links to your > online work to: _drsforamerica.resu...@gmail.com
No it's not. What you describe as "Fee for Placement" in your blog post is a recruiter-friendly way of talking about the same thing. What I'm describing is more realistic because it takes hiring budgets into account.
Example: You have Company offering a Job for $100,000 a year.
Your way: Billy Recruiter gets involved and places the employee full-time with an 18% of the employee's first-year salary as his fee ($18,000). Company has now paid a total of $118,000 for the first year for that employee, while the employee gets $100,000. This is fine, assuming the company has an extra $20k sitting around in a hiring budget.
My way (more realistic): The Company has a maximum budget of $100,000, so they have to lower the salary to adjust for the fee. They lower the salary to about $85,000, so the 18% fee, which is about $15,000, all adds up together to fit into the original $100,000. So Company ends up paying $100,000 while the employee gets a lower starting salary.
As far as 18% - that is the average negotiated end in my experience. Most recruiters seem to start at 21% and can be talked down to 18% without too much trouble. I've never seen any recruiter willing to negotiate below 15%. Regardless of the negotiation, the Company is still paying fees out the nose for the placement.
Staff Augmentation Maybe it's just my personal experience but I've only come across "Staff Augmentation" once (and even then, the recruiter was trying to push the employee into a normal full-time or contract-to-hire scenario in order to get an additional fee). The benefits portion of this deal isn't necessarily stable, which is a detriment to the job seeker.
Contract-to-Hire What you described in your bog post is a valid point, but the Company still has to work out additional paperwork and can't just "be done with" the process. This benefits the recruiter in that he/she feels like he/she has an "in" to place even more people, although it typically ends up costing the Company more in the long run.
Hourly/Salary Recruiters Maybe this is true for internal recruiters, but at this point, they are less of a "recruiter" and more of an employee trying to get referral bonuses. There's no penalty to the company (chances are that there are enough recruiting needs to make that position available in the first place, so they're saving money over normal recruiters), and no penalty to the employee for taking advantage of the offer.
What's worse is that recruiters are constantly trying to gobble up new job hunters so that they can make sure that even if the job hunter COULD have found the position via Monster or something, they can have a document that says, "We found him first - Company needs to pay us to get him or else." I've only had that situation come up once, and at that point, I just tossed the resume (which was unfortunate for that job hunter). Ultimately, the headhunters (the majority of which are pushing Fee for Placement) are getting out of control and are causing more problems for both companies and job hunters than they're solving.
I have no problem with internal recruiters, but everything else has really gone overboard.
> For the record, this is just wrong: > " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. > Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and > the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's > why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
> -----Original Message----- > From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com > [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM > To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group > Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been > working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years > should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things > that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several > jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development > environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out > buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements > will apply anyway.
> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer > should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the > more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the > original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter > is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I > don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings > from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" > built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral > bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in > Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger<ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so
> those
>> of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >> reality, please enlighten me.
>> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be
> a
>> master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> organization and communication skills.
>> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? >> Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >> gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >> well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, >> but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >> "... monitoring >> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> Thoughts?
>> e
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker
> <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime > position in Baltimore, MD
>>> Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>>> *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >>> design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based >>> services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants
> to
>>> work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>>> The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>>> Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools,
> this
>>> position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >>> testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules,
> interactive
>>> forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The
> PHP
>>> Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build
> web
>>> applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >>> authentication server, and databases.
>>> This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web
> sites
>>> using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML,
> JavaScript,
>>> AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >>> modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design comps
> and
>>> written descriptions into web sites, applications, and front-end
> components.
>>> The PHP Developer will maintain and extend the custom Content
> Management
>>> System developed in Drupal including a custom module set, custom CSS
> based
>>> Drupal theme, custom page templates, scalable permission and security >>> settings, and web environment requirements.
>>> This position will collaborate to maintain, debug, upgrade, and scale
> web
>>> application code, web content (including images, rich media, documents,
> and
>>> HTML), and dynamic data.
>>> The PHP Developer will work with project teams (including technical
> and
>>> non-technical staff) to develop site architecture, navigation, technical >>> specifications, and requirements for
True of so much in the world today. Too many people making money for doing nothing or getting paid for someone else's work. A societal problem, though. Not one specific to tech recruiters.
On this specific subject, however, the issue of recruiters having high fees I think will only get worse as sites like monster.com get better and better at connecting talent to employers. The recruiting industry is changing their prices and practices to adjust for loss of volume.
My two cents.
- Frank
fstovi...@dcigroup.com | Phone: (202) 777.3702 | Cell: (202) 870.3578 | 1828 L Street N.W. Washington, DC 20036
[mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hilgeman Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:31 PM To: 'Washington, DC PHP Developers Group' Subject: [Spam]: Re: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
> For the record, this is just wrong:
No it's not. What you describe as "Fee for Placement" in your blog post is a recruiter-friendly way of talking about the same thing. What I'm describing is more realistic because it takes hiring budgets into account.
Example: You have Company offering a Job for $100,000 a year.
Your way: Billy Recruiter gets involved and places the employee full-time with an 18% of the employee's first-year salary as his fee ($18,000). Company has now paid a total of $118,000 for the first year for that employee, while the employee gets $100,000. This is fine, assuming the company has an extra $20k sitting around in a hiring budget.
My way (more realistic): The Company has a maximum budget of $100,000, so they have to lower the salary to adjust for the fee. They lower the salary to about $85,000, so the 18% fee, which is about $15,000, all adds up together to fit into the original $100,000. So Company ends up paying $100,000 while the employee gets a lower starting salary.
As far as 18% - that is the average negotiated end in my experience. Most recruiters seem to start at 21% and can be talked down to 18% without too much trouble. I've never seen any recruiter willing to negotiate below 15%. Regardless of the negotiation, the Company is still
paying fees out the nose for the placement.
Staff Augmentation Maybe it's just my personal experience but I've only come across "Staff Augmentation" once (and even then, the recruiter was trying to push the employee into a normal full-time or contract-to-hire scenario in order to get an additional fee). The benefits portion of this deal isn't necessarily stable, which is a detriment to the job seeker.
Contract-to-Hire What you described in your bog post is a valid point, but the Company still has to work out additional paperwork and can't just "be done with"
the process. This benefits the recruiter in that he/she feels like he/she has an "in" to place even more people, although it typically ends
up costing the Company more in the long run.
Hourly/Salary Recruiters Maybe this is true for internal recruiters, but at this point, they are less of a "recruiter" and more of an employee trying to get referral bonuses. There's no penalty to the company (chances are that there are enough recruiting needs to make that position available in the first place, so they're saving money over normal recruiters), and no penalty to the employee for taking advantage of the offer.
What's worse is that recruiters are constantly trying to gobble up new job hunters so that they can make sure that even if the job hunter COULD
have found the position via Monster or something, they can have a document that says, "We found him first - Company needs to pay us to get
him or else." I've only had that situation come up once, and at that point, I just tossed the resume (which was unfortunate for that job hunter). Ultimately, the headhunters (the majority of which are pushing Fee for Placement) are getting out of control and are causing more problems for both companies and job hunters than they're solving.
I have no problem with internal recruiters, but everything else has really gone overboard.
On 2/17/2010 9:14 AM, @Jobmatchbox wrote: > For the record, this is just wrong: > " The lower the salary, the more the headhunter can take off the top. > Chances are that the original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and > the headhunter is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's > why I don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary."
> There are four ways recruiters make money. If you want to know what they > are there is an article that clarifies this here:
> -----Original Message----- > From: washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com > [mailto:washington-dcphp-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jhilgeman > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:30 AM > To: Washington, DC PHP Developers Group > Subject: [dcphp-dev] Re: PHP Developer
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
> The skillset isn't that hard to find. Most developers that have been > working for small-to-medium-sized companies for at least 5 years > should have that type of experience. Plus, there are a lot of things > that probably aren't even real requirements. I've applied to several > jobs that mentioned J2EE and they didn't even have a Java development > environment, much less existing J2EE code. It's easier to throw out > buzzwords and hope that candidates meeting most of the requirements > will apply anyway.
> The 75k is the bigger issue (by 5 years in, that type of developer > should probably be around $95-$105k, IMHO). The lower the salary, the > more the headhunter can take off the top. Chances are that the > original company is willing to pay about $90-$95k and the headhunter > is trying to get about 18-20% of that (highway robbery). It's why I > don't like dealing with headhunters / recruiters. The original company > still ends up paying full price, while the new employee gets a 18-20% > "penalty" in his/her salary, and probably isn't AS satisfied with the > company as he/she could have been with a full salary.
> I think it would be far better for DC PHP members to post openings > from their own workplaces. That way, at least there's some "trust" > built into the referral, the member will probably get some referral > bonus, and there shouldn't be any penalties to the job hunter.
> There are offices all over the U.S. but there's a branch over in > Herndon, VA for us DC metro residents.
> On Feb 15, 8:31 pm, Ed Holzinger<ed.holzin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So maybe i've been cloistered in my own little world for too long, so
> those
>> of you out there with a better understanding of the current employment >> reality, please enlighten me.
>> This job pays "about" $75K, yet requires the lucky winner of the gig to be
> a
>> master of PHP, MySQL, well, let's review the pertinent paragraph:
>> Must have demonstrable mastery of PHP, MySQL, JavaScript / DOM, CSS for >> layout, (X)HTML (with and without a WYSIWIG editor), proficiency in modern >> web techniques (sIFR, JavaScript frameworks, etc) and best practices, >> experience with Macromedia Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and excellent >> organization and communication skills.
>> So this developer must be a database expert, a UI expert and a PHP expert? >> Oh, and you gotta know Dreamweaver and Photoshop AND on top of all that, >> gotta have a fabulous bedside manner? And be well-versed in diplomacy as >> well, apparently (liaise? you're kidding, right?). I can't tell for sure, >> but it also sounds like the candidate might need to be a sysadmin: >> "... monitoring >> sites and servers for usage, and systems stability and security."
>> All this for $75K? Does this person even exist?
>> Thoughts?
>> e
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Nancy Barker
> <nbar...@barkersearch.com>wrote:> *PHP Developer* needed for a fulltime > position in Baltimore, MD
>>> Salary to about 75k, excellent benefits
>>> *Description:* Position is part of a team that provides development, >>> design, and analysis of web sites, web-based applications, and web-based >>> services. We want someone innovative to think outside the box who wants
> to
>>> work with leading edge web tools focused around PHP.
>>> The primary duties and responsibilities of the job:
>>> * Using advanced PHP, MySQL, and Drupal coding methodologies / tools,
> this
>>> position is the lead developer for planning, developing, implementing, >>> testing, and supporting custom web applications, drupal modules,
> interactive
>>> forms, social networking platforms, and data presentation widgets. The
> PHP
>>> Developer will liaise with database and automations developers to build
> web
>>> applications, reports, and modules linked directly to a custom CRM, >>> authentication server, and databases.
>>> * This person will develop and maintain the intranet and extranet web
> sites
>>> using CSS for (tableless) layout, valid and accessible(X)HTML,
> JavaScript,
>>> AJAX, semantic web presentation layer development standards, and other >>> modern web technologies. The PHP Developer will translate design
