Hey all.. In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect full name and an Email address.
Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to collect SOME information and keep it on file. The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a little survey:
*Survey *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why or why not? Feel free to single out single items: * A secondary email * A telephone number * Full registered address * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary information page) * Photo copy of medical insurance card
Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance: * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
> *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why > or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
yes
> * A telephone number
maybe
> * Full registered address
no
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary information page)
no
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
no
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel > about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
no
I don't feel the need to explain why it would make me uncomfortable. But I've refused to give
some of this information to previous employers in the past when given no legal justification
beyond "someone might ask for it sometime".
While I am not a member now I am hoping that once I have solid funds
to change that, so I guess for me the question is why is this
information needed.
Name, Email addresses, home address don't bother me so much. Passport
information, drivers license, or forgeiner registration information
bother's me a lot. It's kind of like back in the states where people
ask for your SSI number. I only give that to the IRS and my employer,
because I need them to have it to pay my taxes.
I can see having a copy of my insurance card on file as being a good
thing. If I become seriously hurt while doing something at the hacker
space. Someone has access to my information to provide. Same with my
home phone for an emergency contact.
My passport or my foreigner registration I don't see why the HS would
need such information. By law am I required to be legally in Japan to
be a member? Can't I be a supporting member from the US? Does
Japanese law require you to collect that information?
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
>> *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
>> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
>> * A secondary email
> yes
>> * A telephone number
> maybe
>> * Full registered address
> no
>> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary information page)
> no
>> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> no
>> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
>> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel
>> about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
> no
> I don't feel the need to explain why it would make me uncomfortable. But I've refused to give
> some of this information to previous employers in the past when given no legal justification
> beyond "someone might ask for it sometime".
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> *Survey
> *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information?
> Why or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
no (not necessary)
> * A telephone number
ok i think
> * Full registered address
no, maybe only city-name
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or
> primary information page)
no
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
no
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel
> about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all..
> In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not
> collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect
> full name and an Email address.
> Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to collect
> SOME information and keep it on file.
> The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
> So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a
> little survey:
> Survey
> Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
> * A telephone number
> * Full registered address
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary
> information page)
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about
> providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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* A secondary email
Yup,
* A telephone number
Yup,
* Full registered address
If secured in a way from fraud (e.g. a single time printed version
(application form) only accessible by the members officer). I am also
ok to give away city, and local area name to make it possible for
other to contact me if they plan to visit or ask about my place...
Nothing I would like to read on a giant black board.
* Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or
primary information page)
No, however, I would be ok with given my nationality and my language
skills, since this might help to help others in some way. Plus THS
could contact my embassy if shit really hits the fan.
* Photo copy of medical insurance card
No, but an solid emergency contact (wife, hubby, boss, close friend,
parents, etc.) would be ok
Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
* If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel
about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership
officer?
I think its ok if there is a solid reason to see them. E.g., to proof
the correctness of details on an application form. The question is
does THS really need that?
My two cents....
Totti
On 1 October 2012 19:06, Furkan Mustafa <furkanmust...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Survey
>> Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
>> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
>> * A secondary email
> no (not necessary)
>> * A telephone number
> ok i think
>> * Full registered address
> no, maybe only city-name
>> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or
>> primary information page)
> no
>> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> no
>> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
>> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel
>> about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
> i think this should be ok too.
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taken the rather small amount of members, does not everyone has at
least some rough idea to whom he/she is talking?
Is there really the need to collect more data if everyone already
stored addresses and phone-numbers of several members?
Just wondering
Totti
On 1 October 2012 18:26, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all..
> In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not
> collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect
> full name and an Email address.
> Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to collect
> SOME information and keep it on file.
> The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
> So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a
> little survey:
> Survey
> Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
> * A telephone number
> * Full registered address
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary
> information page)
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about
> providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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While that may be the case now, if the group is trying to grow the
space, it is best to be prepared for future growth instead of rolling
with it when it happens.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Torsten Wagner <torsten.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the other hand,
> taken the rather small amount of members, does not everyone has at
> least some rough idea to whom he/she is talking?
> Is there really the need to collect more data if everyone already
> stored addresses and phone-numbers of several members?
> Just wondering
> Totti
> On 1 October 2012 18:26, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey all..
>> In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not
>> collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect
>> full name and an Email address.
>> Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to collect
>> SOME information and keep it on file.
>> The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
>> So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a
>> little survey:
>> Survey
>> Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
>> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
>> * A secondary email
>> * A telephone number
>> * Full registered address
>> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary
>> information page)
>> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
>> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
>> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about
>> providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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Well, I was one of the officers who suggested more info collecting. So I will write down my answers with storage and usage possibilities.
* A secondary email
Not really needed. Can't see any use.
* A telephone number
OK if it is stored on a form and locked in the safe at THS. Only usage should be cases like "Hey asshole, you dumped all your old PCs here and we don't like it. So we are giving you 2 days to come clean it up or somebody gonna got a hurt real bad!" No for other storage options and uses.
* Full registered address
Again OK if it is stored on a form and locked in the safe at THS. Only usage should be cases like me being a giant asshole not picking up my old PCs after being warned so you come and dump them in front of my door (or better yet send it with COD). Another possibility is that we are sharing the space with others and we will get keys, they can be more comfortable if we have this info on hand.
* Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary information page)
Nope, under no storage conditions and no usage conditions. THS does not need this.
* Photo copy of medical insurance card
If I am using the mill, maybe. Along with some emergency contact info. But the problem is this info must be stored somewhere with easy access, so no putting it in safe. But now looking at it I see that it has my birthdate and address, so if it is not in safe, I'm not comfortable. So no!
Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
*
If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
Foreign card is OK for address verification. And membership officer (me) can call to confirm the number is correct and not for Dominos pizza. Medical insurance is also OK, so that it is known that I am insured and what type of insurance I have. Maybe a description of where I keep my insurance card is good too for possible emergencies (in the wallet, in the bag inside a credit card case, taped to my belly...)
________________________________
From: MRE <epreme...@gmail.com>
To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 6:26 PM
Subject: [THS:20431] Survey
Hey all..
In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect full name and an Email address.
Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to collect SOME information and keep it on file.
The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a little survey:
Survey
Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
* A secondary email
* A telephone number
* Full registered address
* Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary information page)
* Photo copy of medical insurance card
Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
* If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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> *Survey
> *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why > or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
yup.
> * A telephone number
yup.
> * Full registered address
OK.
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary > information page)
no.
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
no.
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel > about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
> Hey all..
> In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect full name and an Email address.
> Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to collect SOME information and keep it on file.
> The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
> So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a little survey:
> Survey
> Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
> * A telephone number
> * Full registered address
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary information page)
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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> While I am not a member now I am hoping that once I have solid funds
> to change that, so I guess for me the question is why is this
> information needed.
> Name, Email addresses, home address don't bother me so much. Passport
> information, drivers license, or forgeiner registration information
> bother's me a lot. It's kind of like back in the states where people
> ask for your SSI number. I only give that to the IRS and my employer,
> because I need them to have it to pay my taxes.
> I can see having a copy of my insurance card on file as being a good
> thing. If I become seriously hurt while doing something at the hacker
> space. Someone has access to my information to provide. Same with my
> home phone for an emergency contact.
I have info on my insurance card I don't feel comfortable disclosing.
> My passport or my foreigner registration I don't see why the HS would
> need such information. By law am I required to be legally in Japan to
> be a member? Can't I be a supporting member from the US? Does
> Japanese law require you to collect that information?
> Just my ¥2
> James
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
>>> *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
>>> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
>>> * A secondary email
>> yes
>>> * A telephone number
>> maybe
>>> * Full registered address
>> no
>>> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary information page)
>> no
>>> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
>> no
>>> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
>>> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel
>>> about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
>> no
>> I don't feel the need to explain why it would make me uncomfortable. But I've refused to give
>> some of this information to previous employers in the past when given no legal justification
>> beyond "someone might ask for it sometime".
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I would give my telephone number and secondary email address to most of the people, if asked.
For THS: I would give my Full registered address, telephone number and secondary address, if THS would become a registered NGO and if it is demanded by law.
In this case I would prove the registration address to the membership officer with the registration card once.
Photo copys would be a no go.
> Hey all..
> In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not > collecting too much information about members. We generally only > collect full name and an Email address.
> Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to > collect SOME information and keep it on file.
> The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
> So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers > alike, a little survey:
> *Survey
> *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following > information? Why or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
> * A telephone number
> * Full registered address
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or > primary information page)
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel > about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership > officer?
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> I would give my telephone number and secondary email address to most of
> the people, if asked.
> For THS: I would give my Full registered address, telephone number and
> secondary address, if THS would become a registered NGO and if it is
> demanded by law.
> In this case I would prove the registration address to the membership
> officer with the registration card once.
> Photo copys would be a no go.
> Cheers, Romedius
> Am 01.10.2012 18:26, schrieb MRE:
> Hey all..
> In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not
> collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect
> full name and an Email address.
> Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to
> collect SOME information and keep it on file.
> The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
> So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a
> little survey:
> *Survey
> *
> Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
> * A telephone number
> * Full registered address
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or
> primary information page)
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel
> about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
> or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
It will be hard for me to choose secondary e-mail address, I have too
many, but I don't see a reason to collect this info.
> * A telephone number
ok, I'd add mobile.
> * Full registered address
not sure that is needed, but no problem since I consider it public.
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary
> information page)
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
NG, photo copies have been abused before (some guy registered a phone
on my name) for me. No use of this info anyway.
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about
> providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
Yes, verification is OK, although it will be hard to do with passport.
I think for residents in Japan (95% of members?) gaijin card or the
new residence card should be presented.
Full name, and optional nickname (Akiba & MRE, you listening?)
I'll add a photo (and I'm opening a can of worms) in digital or analog
form, that may actually go to the web site for storing in the profile.
Actually, I'd rather have a poster on the wall with all current
members with photo and name (or nick).
For emergencies, I'd say optional info:
* emergency contact: Name (First, Family), preferred language (en/ja),
(mobile) phone, relationship
* citizenship (to call embassy if all fails)
As for the problem of making otherwise closed details available on
emergency, one could think of these metal containers with a glass front
which requires to break the glass. Or any other way of sealed container
which requires an emergency situation to justify to break it.
Totti
On Oct 1, 2012 6:26 PM, "MRE" <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all..
> In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not
> collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect
> full name and an Email address.
> Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to
> collect SOME information and keep it on file.
> The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
> So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a
> little survey:
> *Survey
> *Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information?
> Why or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
> * A secondary email
> * A telephone number
> * Full registered address
> * Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or
> primary information page)
> * Photo copy of medical insurance card
> Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
> * If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel
> about providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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I think in general, THS should be as anonymous as its members want to be.
Info collection should be limited to what members want to give up. There
hasn't been much discussion on how the data would be used or why it's
needed, although Taylan did give some details. Since MRE brought this up,
it's obvious that there's no nefarious plan to sell us all out to facebook
or the feds, but any info THS wants should be optional and the owners should
be able to completely control it. That said, there's nothing I want to
divulge to THS that can't be found on my social media.
If prodded correctly, I would be willing to pose for compromising pictures,
though. And by prodding, I mean.
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[mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Torsten Wagner
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To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [THS:20458] Survey
As for the problem of making otherwise closed details available on
emergency, one could think of these metal containers with a glass front
which requires to break the glass. Or any other way of sealed container
which requires an emergency situation to justify to break it.
Totti
On Oct 1, 2012 6:26 PM, "MRE" <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all..
In the past, THS has been pretty relaxed and comfortable about not
collecting too much information about members. We generally only collect
full name and an Email address.
Moving forward, the Board of Directors acknowledges that we need to collect
SOME information and keep it on file.
The question is: WHAT information, and HOW MUCH?
So, I would like to throw out there to our members and nonmembers alike, a
little survey:
Survey
Would you feel comfortable if THS asked for the following information? Why
or why not? Feel free to single out single items:
* A secondary email
* A telephone number
* Full registered address
* Photo copy of Foreign registration card or passport (Visa page or primary
information page)
* Photo copy of medical insurance card
Regarding Foreign registration/Visa and Medical insurance:
* If you are not comfortable providing photocopies, how would you feel about
providing them for a VISUAL ONLY inspection by the membership officer?
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It sounds like we are trending towards basic info (name, and at least one email OR telephone number) and some form of emergency contact.. info to be secured. Sound right?
Brainstormed reasons for more or less info More: * Theft - ability to report fully to police. Would onlt matter if we had you on video * Shared space. For peace of mind of the co-renters * emergency. You are unconscious due to heart attack or mill mangling.
Less: * theft - cant do much anyway, even with a metric tone of evidence. At least, not without spending lawyer cash. * its accusatory of members. * emergency: unless you are a crazy weirdo, everything needed is in your wallet anyway.
At our meeting we tentatively concluded that: 1: as unobtrusive as possible while still providing a minimum level of info necessary to conduct our business 2 - through a more deliberate vetting process, we will all have a good feel for people before becoming members. As it stands now, membership is affectively available on your first visit. We dont want the process to be complicated. Only that it not be instant.
We are close to human cloning.
Thus, I would like to add my mother maiden name to the list. People
could ask me the "secret" question to make sure its me and not an evil
clone.
Totti
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> It sounds like we are trending towards basic info (name, and at least one email OR telephone number) and some form of emergency contact.. info to be secured.
> Sound right?
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I've been thinking about shaving my head and having my ssh or gpg private key
tattooed on my scalp.
Let the hair grow back, and no-one will know. But when a clone does come along
and challenges you, you just shave your head and use your key to decrypt a message
or whatever. Foolproof.
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 12:17:06PM +0900, Torsten Wagner wrote:
> We are close to human cloning.
> Thus, I would like to add my mother maiden name to the list. People
> could ask me the "secret" question to make sure its me and not an evil
> clone.
> Totti
> On 2 October 2012 11:04, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It sounds like we are trending towards basic info (name, and at least one email OR telephone number) and some form of emergency contact.. info to be secured.
> > Sound right?
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More serious this time...
I guess an somehow official application form which might include
otherwise not stored details (e.g. Full Name, home (in Japan) address,
telephone, emergency contact, email) would create an easy to do burden
to a new member. This application form can also be handed with a set
of rules and regulations people agreed so far silently (the amount of
membership fees, cancellation rules, usage and access of the space,
reliabilities, freedoms, etc.). Having a page of rules and
regulations to agree too and needing to fill in a form and sign it,
avoids most potential membership faking and its something you do not
on day one.
I believe this is also the first step towards becoming an official NGO
since they are required to have such a list of written regulations
which in detail explain membership details and NGO purpose (not sure
in Japan but at least that is the case in Germany).
The forms could be stored in a way only accessible by the membership officer.
Just an idea
Totti
On 2 October 2012 11:21, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brainstormed reasons for more or less info
> More:
> * Theft - ability to report fully to police. Would onlt matter if we had you on video
> * Shared space. For peace of mind of the co-renters
> * emergency. You are unconscious due to heart attack or mill mangling.
> Less:
> * theft - cant do much anyway, even with a metric tone of evidence. At least, not without spending lawyer cash.
> * its accusatory of members.
> * emergency: unless you are a crazy weirdo, everything needed is in your wallet anyway.
> At our meeting we tentatively concluded that:
> 1: as unobtrusive as possible while still providing a minimum level of info necessary to conduct our business
> 2 - through a more deliberate vetting process, we will all have a good feel for people before becoming members. As it stands now, membership is affectively available on your first visit. We dont want the process to be complicated. Only that it not be instant.
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> I've been thinking about shaving my head and having my ssh or gpg private key
> tattooed on my scalp.
> Let the hair grow back, and no-one will know. But when a clone does come along
> and challenges you, you just shave your head and use your key to decrypt a message
> or whatever. Foolproof.
> Only problem is I'm rapidly going bald. Hmmm..
> On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 12:17:06PM +0900, Torsten Wagner wrote:
>> We are close to human cloning.
>> Thus, I would like to add my mother maiden name to the list. People
>> could ask me the "secret" question to make sure its me and not an evil
>> clone.
>> Totti
>> On 2 October 2012 11:04, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > It sounds like we are trending towards basic info (name, and at least one email OR telephone number) and some form of emergency contact.. info to be secured.
>> > Sound right?
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> On 2 October 2012 12:26, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
> > I've been thinking about shaving my head and having my ssh or gpg
> private key
> > tattooed on my scalp.
> > Let the hair grow back, and no-one will know. But when a clone does come
> along
> > and challenges you, you just shave your head and use your key to decrypt
> a message
> > or whatever. Foolproof.
> > Only problem is I'm rapidly going bald. Hmmm..
> > On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 12:17:06PM +0900, Torsten Wagner wrote:
> >> We are close to human cloning.
> >> Thus, I would like to add my mother maiden name to the list. People
> >> could ask me the "secret" question to make sure its me and not an evil
> >> clone.
> >> Totti
> >> On 2 October 2012 11:04, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > It sounds like we are trending towards basic info (name, and at least
> one email OR telephone number) and some form of emergency contact.. info to
> be secured.
> >> > Sound right?
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On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> or program it on a rfid and insert it under your skin
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Torsten Wagner <torsten.wag...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> To too Mikele about UV-light-tattoo ink ;)
>> On 2 October 2012 12:26, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
>> > I've been thinking about shaving my head and having my ssh or gpg
>> private key
>> > tattooed on my scalp.
>> > Let the hair grow back, and no-one will know. But when a clone does
>> come along
>> > and challenges you, you just shave your head and use your key to
>> decrypt a message
>> > or whatever. Foolproof.
>> > Only problem is I'm rapidly going bald. Hmmm..
>> > On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 12:17:06PM +0900, Torsten Wagner wrote:
>> >> We are close to human cloning.
>> >> Thus, I would like to add my mother maiden name to the list. People
>> >> could ask me the "secret" question to make sure its me and not an evil
>> >> clone.
>> >> Totti
>> >> On 2 October 2012 11:04, MRE <epreme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > It sounds like we are trending towards basic info (name, and at
>> least one email OR telephone number) and some form of emergency contact..
>> info to be secured.
>> >> > Sound right?
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