New Member Wrote: My testimony is summarized in my nickname - I am too Blessed To Be Stressed - 09 year of revelation. Back in 1990 the Lord laid on my mind that he loved a cheerful giver and to give as the Holy Spirit leads me. That year I had no income but gave as the spirit led and God blessed me abundantly I did not lack for anything. However I am now battling the mindset that I am cursed and robbing God because I do not agree with the tithing doctrine.
Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring
in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have
something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was
set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood.
Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of
the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and
revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being
changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is
so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again
and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But
ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath
called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in
the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And
he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is
shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw
that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be
fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an
end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that
ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be
FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught
even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a
part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something
different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore,
brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living
sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable
service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but
%100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me
to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He
tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man
according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not
grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. You
do not need to fear a curse because of Malachi - Mal 3:11 - And I will
rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the
fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before
the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This was said to
the nation of Israel, while they were still under the Law of Moses,
before Jesus came and died for us, and at a time when the people were
breaking His law in many ways. But Jesus destroyed the works of the
enemy for us on the cross. He did the work. We have been saved from
bondage to Satan by the work Jesus has already done. He defeated Satan
once and for all. He is not cursed because of anything we do any more,
except that we must receive the work of Christ and be born again. Eph.
2:5,9+10 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (made alive)
us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved.) 9 Not of works, lest
any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship ... Satan does not
want you to know the liberty that is yours. Satan does not want
you to walk in the freedom Jesus paid a great price to give you. I
encourage you to - Ga 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty
wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with
the yoke of bondage. Do not let the enemy drag you back into a
bondage that Jesus has freed you from. Do not do what the Galations
did - Ga 3:1 - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye
should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been
evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 - This only would I learn
of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the
hearing of faith? Ga 1:6 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from
him that called you into the GRACE OF CHRIST unto another gospel:
Remember friend that - Joh 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you
free, ye shall be free indeed. Do not allow the enemy to condemn
you and bring fear to your heart because you have accepted the work of
Christ and are willing to live in the New Covenant He has given you.
Instead go ahead and - Jas 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God.
Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And rest assured that
- 1Jo 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out
fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect
in love. Jesus did the work - Eph 2:15 - Having abolished in his
flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in
ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making
PEACE; 2Co 3:13 - And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face,
that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of
that which is ABOLISHED: What did Moses was this that was
abolished? The old Law of Moses! which Jesus abolished in His flesh.
That law served a purpose at one time. Gal. 3:23+24 But before FAITH
CAME, we were kept under the law, shut up UNTO the FAITH which should
AFTERWARDS be revealed. 24 Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to
bring us TO Christ. Now dear friend go ahead and - 5:1 -Stand fast
therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be
not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. And - Php 4:4 -
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. I have written a
manuscript on tithing and the law called Money Changers in the Temple.
You might like to read it.But I warn you it is a long study, that
hopefully covers any questions you might have. If you should read it,
plese start with chapter one and read them in order. :)
http://www.moneychangersinthetemple.blog...
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, jared <jbb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> New Member Wrote:
> My testimony is summarized in my nickname - I am too Blessed To Be Stressed
> - 09 year of revelation. Back in 1990 the Lord laid on my mind that he loved
> a cheerful giver and to give as the Holy Spirit leads me. That year I had no
> income but gave as the spirit led and God blessed me abundantly I did not
> lack for anything. However I am now battling the mindset that I am cursed
> and robbing God because I do not agree with the tithing doctrine.
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Tithing & Stewardship group.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> tithe+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
That's about as good an answer as you get - but following through on that is a beast. The early church did 100% Acts 4:34-35 but I don't and perhaps missionaries do but not the Church. Actually under the influence of this group I quit tithing and over time directing contributions wherever it pleased me to feel led, what happened over time is I took jurisdiction of "my" money to this day I contribute nothing at all and envy the past where at least I tithed.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com>
Sender: tithe@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:26:42 To: <tithe@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: tithe@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring
in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have
something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was
set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood.
Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of
the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and
revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being
changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is
so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again
and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But
ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath
called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in
the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And
he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is
shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw
that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be
fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an
end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that
ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be
FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught
even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a
part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something
different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore,
brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living
sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable
service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but
%100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me
to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He
tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man
according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not
grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. You
do not need to fear a curse because of Malachi - Mal 3:11 - And I will
rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the
fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before
the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This was said to
the nation of Israel, while they were still under the Law of Moses,
before Jesus came and died for us, and at a time when the people were
breaking His law in many ways. But Jesus destroyed the works of the
enemy for us on the cross. He did the work. We have been saved from
bondage to Satan by the work Jesus has already done. He defeated Satan
once and for all. He is not cursed because of anything we do any more,
except that we must receive the work of Christ and be born again. Eph.
2:5,9+10 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (made alive)
us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved.) 9 Not of works, lest
any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship ... Satan does not
want you to know the liberty that is yours. Satan does not want
you to walk in the freedom Jesus paid a great price to give you. I
encourage you to - Ga 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty
wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with
the yoke of bondage. Do not let the enemy drag you back into a
bondage that Jesus has freed you from. Do not do what the Galations
did - Ga 3:1 - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye
should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been
evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 - This only would I learn
of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the
hearing of faith? Ga 1:6 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from
him that called you into the GRACE OF CHRIST unto another gospel:
Remember friend that - Joh 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you
free, ye shall be free indeed. Do not allow the enemy to condemn
you and bring fear to your heart because you have accepted the work of
Christ and are willing to live in the New Covenant He has given you.
Instead go ahead and - Jas 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God.
Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And rest assured that
- 1Jo 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out
fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect
in love. Jesus did the work - Eph 2:15 - Having abolished in his
flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in
ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making
PEACE; 2Co 3:13 - And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face,
that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of
that which is ABOLISHED: What did Moses was this that was
abolished? The old Law of Moses! which Jesus abolished in His flesh.
That law served a purpose at one time. Gal. 3:23+24 But before FAITH
CAME, we were kept under the law, shut up UNTO the FAITH which should
AFTERWARDS be revealed. 24 Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to
bring us TO Christ. Now dear friend go ahead and - 5:1 -Stand fast
therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be
not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. And - Php 4:4 -
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. I have written a
manuscript on tithing and the law called Money Changers in the Temple.
You might like to read it.But I warn you it is a long study, that
hopefully covers any questions you might have. If you should read it,
plese start with chapter one and read them in order. :)
http://www.moneychangersinthetemple.blog...
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, jared <jbb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> New Member Wrote:
> My testimony is summarized in my nickname - I am too Blessed To Be Stressed
> - 09 year of revelation. Back in 1990 the Lord laid on my mind that he loved
> a cheerful giver and to give as the Holy Spirit leads me. That year I had no
> income but gave as the spirit led and God blessed me abundantly I did not
> lack for anything. However I am now battling the mindset that I am cursed
> and robbing God because I do not agree with the tithing doctrine.
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Tithing & Stewardship group.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> tithe+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
When all that we are and all that we have is given to the Lord, we are freed to allow Him to have His way. Whether we do this or not is another story. But maybe Vince, there is a problem with your concept of giving. Remember that in the Old Testament even tithing was not money. It was animals and produce. In the New Testament we are told that - Mt 10:42 - And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward. Giving involves a lot more than money. If you give someone a ride when they have a need, you have used money to purchase the gas that was used to transport that person. If you buy someone a meal, that takes money, but taking time to listen to a person needing a friend, or taking time to pray and intercede for others, these do not take money but are certainly important giving. I guess the question to ask yourself is "Am I listening to the voice of the Lord and am I willing to obey when He gives me a direction?" He may not always ask you for money, then again He may ask you for more than you would be comfortable to give, if it were not for your love for Him and your trust in Him. If you lack love for Him or others, then tithing will not solve that problem. And love is what God is and what He wants from us. If you lack anything, including love, that God wants you to have, He is willing to help you in that area when you seek Him with a willing heart. Gal. 6:2 - Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: I personally do not believe we need to judge ourselves on the amount of monetary giving we do or do not so. Reckon yourself to be dead to sin and alive to Christ. Put yourself before Him in submission and say "yes" when He speaks to your heart. Practice this full surrender and it will become more and more natural. But simply disciplining yourself so you make certain you are always giving money will never change your heart or draw you closer to the Savior of the world. Ro 6:11 - Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:16 PM, <vi...@lavello.net> wrote: > That's about as good an answer as you get - but following through on that is a beast. The early church did 100% Acts 4:34-35 but I don't and perhaps missionaries do but not the Church. Actually under the influence of this group I quit tithing and over time directing contributions wherever it pleased me to feel led, what happened over time is I took jurisdiction of "my" money to this day I contribute nothing at all and envy the past where at least I tithed. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com> > Sender: tithe@googlegroups.com > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:26:42 > To: <tithe@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: tithe@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
> Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring > in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have > something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was > set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood. > Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of > the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and > revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being > changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is > so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again > and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But > ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a > peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath > called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in > the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And > he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is > shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw > that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be > fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an > end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that > ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be > FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught > even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a > part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something > different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore, > brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living > sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable > service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but > %100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me > to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He > tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man > according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not > grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. You > do not need to fear a curse because of Malachi - Mal 3:11 - And I will > rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the > fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before > the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This was said to > the nation of Israel, while they were still under the Law of Moses, > before Jesus came and died for us, and at a time when the people were > breaking His law in many ways. But Jesus destroyed the works of the > enemy for us on the cross. He did the work. We have been saved from > bondage to Satan by the work Jesus has already done. He defeated Satan > once and for all. He is not cursed because of anything we do any more, > except that we must receive the work of Christ and be born again. Eph. > 2:5,9+10 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (made alive) > us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved.) 9 Not of works, lest > any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship ... Satan does not > want you to know the liberty that is yours. Satan does not want > you to walk in the freedom Jesus paid a great price to give you. I > encourage you to - Ga 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty > wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with > the yoke of bondage. Do not let the enemy drag you back into a > bondage that Jesus has freed you from. Do not do what the Galations > did - Ga 3:1 - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye > should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been > evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 - This only would I learn > of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the > hearing of faith? Ga 1:6 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from > him that called you into the GRACE OF CHRIST unto another gospel: > Remember friend that - Joh 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you > free, ye shall be free indeed. Do not allow the enemy to condemn > you and bring fear to your heart because you have accepted the work of > Christ and are willing to live in the New Covenant He has given you. > Instead go ahead and - Jas 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. > Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And rest assured that > - 1Jo 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out > fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect > in love. Jesus did the work - Eph 2:15 - Having abolished in his > flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in > ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making > PEACE; 2Co 3:13 - And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, > that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of > that which is ABOLISHED: What did Moses was this that was > abolished? The old Law of Moses! which Jesus abolished in His flesh. > That law served a purpose at one time. Gal. 3:23+24 But before FAITH > CAME, we were kept under the law, shut up UNTO the FAITH which should > AFTERWARDS be revealed. 24 Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to > bring us TO Christ. Now dear friend go ahead and - 5:1 -Stand fast > therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be > not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. And - Php 4:4 - > Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. I have written a > manuscript on tithing and the law called Money Changers in the Temple. > You might like to read it.But I warn you it is a long study, that > hopefully covers any questions you might have. If you should read it, > plese start with chapter one and read them in order. :) > http://www.moneychangersinthetemple.blog...
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, jared <jbb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> New Member Wrote: >> My testimony is summarized in my nickname - I am too Blessed To Be Stressed >> - 09 year of revelation. Back in 1990 the Lord laid on my mind that he loved >> a cheerful giver and to give as the Holy Spirit leads me. That year I had no >> income but gave as the spirit led and God blessed me abundantly I did not >> lack for anything. However I am now battling the mindset that I am cursed >> and robbing God because I do not agree with the tithing doctrine.
>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Tithing & Stewardship group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> tithe+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
I believe that what you have said is true only in so far as it affects your attitude and decisions with money. I feel trapped now by the decisions I have made the last 2-3 years and am facing a fight to get back what I lost in the area of tithing - and yes; money.
Money because I am modern - I don't deal in crops or animals. Money because Jesus said do not store up treasures on earth. Money because Jesus was observing 'how' they were giving... money.. when he praised the widow for her mites. Money because the early church were selling their houses and property and bringing the proceeds (money) to the Apostles.
If my giving was only deeds - then how would that meet all the needs?
All I know is that listening to the advice found here led me off course to a strange place where I am the arbiter of truth and I decide what God does with His money - whereas when I tithed - I released a significant amount of my income and I had to be a lot more wise with the rest in order to get by. Which makes Jon Coursons statement ring true: "God is not trying to raise cash, he is trying to raise kids"
I agree with you that Tithing will not fix a heart that lacks love and true devotion - it could make it worse if as you said if I am not given 100% to the Lord. But if I see myself as 100% the Lords, and I discipline myself in tithing - my giving cannot stop at 10%! When I am the Lords I will follow through with charity - which the public face of love. Selah I don't really know anymore. When I tithed and gave above that - I felt guilty that my kids were missing out on what I could provide - however my kids are still walking with the Lord. My attitude towards God seems to have transferred. Which is something I could not have bought. But... But with some of "my" tithe money now my son gets drum lessons. The teacher - moderately christian but is exposing him to good drummers... Meaning worldly music. Maybe the jokes on me.
I am rambling yes? I close with - pray for me. As Luther "I have mislaid my former certainties.."
I want that Proverbs 2 wisdom. Thanks for listening if you made it this far. Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com>
Sender: tithe@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:48:13 To: <tithe@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: tithe@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
When all that we are and all that we have is given to the Lord, we are
freed to allow Him to have His way. Whether we do this or not is
another story. But maybe Vince, there is a problem with your concept
of giving. Remember that in the Old Testament even tithing was not
money. It was animals and produce. In the New Testament we are told
that - Mt 10:42 - And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these
little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily
I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward. Giving
involves a lot more than money. If you give someone a ride when they
have a need, you have used money to purchase the gas that was used to
transport that person. If you buy someone a meal, that takes money,
but taking time to listen to a person needing a friend, or taking time
to pray and intercede for others, these do not take money but are
certainly important giving. I guess the question to ask yourself is
"Am I listening to the voice of the Lord and am I willing to obey when
He gives me a direction?" He may not always ask you for money, then
again He may ask you for more than you would be comfortable to give,
if it were not for your love for Him and your trust in Him. If you
lack love for Him or others, then tithing will not solve that problem.
And love is what God is and what He wants from us. If you lack
anything, including love, that God wants you to have, He is willing to
help you in that area when you seek Him with a willing heart.
Gal. 6:2 - Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of
Christ. James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the
scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: I
personally do not believe we need to judge ourselves on the amount of
monetary giving we do or do not so. Reckon yourself to be dead to sin
and alive to Christ. Put yourself before Him in submission and say
"yes" when He speaks to your heart. Practice this full surrender and
it will become more and more natural. But simply disciplining yourself
so you make certain you are always giving money will never change your
heart or draw you closer to the Savior of the world. Ro 6:11 -
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but
alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:16 PM, <vi...@lavello.net> wrote:
> That's about as good an answer as you get - but following through on that is a beast. The early church did 100% Acts 4:34-35 but I don't and perhaps missionaries do but not the Church. Actually under the influence of this group I quit tithing and over time directing contributions wherever it pleased me to feel led, what happened over time is I took jurisdiction of "my" money to this day I contribute nothing at all and envy the past where at least I tithed.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com>
> Sender: tithe@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:26:42
> To: <tithe@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: tithe@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
> Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring
> in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have
> something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was
> set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood.
> Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of
> the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and
> revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being
> changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is
> so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again
> and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But
> ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
> peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath
> called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in
> the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And
> he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is
> shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw
> that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be
> fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an
> end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that
> ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be
> FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught
> even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a
> part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something
> different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore,
> brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living
> sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable
> service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but
> %100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me
> to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He
> tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man
> according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not
> grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. You
> do not need to fear a curse because of Malachi - Mal 3:11 - And I will
> rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the
> fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before
> the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This was said to
> the nation of Israel, while they were still under the Law of Moses,
> before Jesus came and died for us, and at a time when the people were
> breaking His law in many ways. But Jesus destroyed the works of the
> enemy for us on the cross. He did the work. We have been saved from
> bondage to Satan by the work Jesus has already done. He defeated Satan
> once and for all. He is not cursed because of anything we do any more,
> except that we must receive the work of Christ and be born again. Eph.
> 2:5,9+10 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (made alive)
> us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved.) 9 Not of works, lest
> any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship ... Satan does not
> want you to know the liberty that is yours. Satan does not want
> you to walk in the freedom Jesus paid a great price to give you. I
> encourage you to - Ga 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty
> wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with
> the yoke of bondage. Do not let the enemy drag you back into a
> bondage that Jesus has freed you from. Do not do what the Galations
> did - Ga 3:1 - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye
> should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been
> evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 - This only would I learn
> of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the
> hearing of faith? Ga 1:6 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from
> him that called you into the GRACE OF CHRIST unto another gospel:
> Remember friend that - Joh 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you
> free, ye shall be free indeed. Do not allow the enemy to condemn
> you and bring fear to your heart because you have accepted the work of
When a Christian fully understands the commands, purpose and mission of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit will direct him as to who, when, what, how and where to give if that Christian desires to do so.
________________________________ From: "vi...@lavello.net" <vi...@lavello.net> To: tithe@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
That's about as good an answer as you get - but following through on that is a beast. The early church did 100% Acts 4:34-35 but I don't and perhaps missionaries do but not the Church. Actually under the influence of this group I quit tithing and over time directing contributions wherever it pleased me to feel led, what happened over time is I took jurisdiction of "my" money to this day I contribute nothing at all and envy the past where at least I tithed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com>
Sender: tithe@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:26:42 To: <tithe@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: tithe@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood. Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but %100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. You do not need to fear a curse because of Malachi - Mal 3:11 - And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This was said to the nation of Israel, while they were still under the Law of Moses, before Jesus came and died for us, and at a time when the people were breaking His law in many ways. But Jesus destroyed the works of the enemy for us on the cross. He did the work. We have been saved from bondage to Satan by the work Jesus has already done. He defeated Satan once and for all. He is not cursed because of anything we do any more, except that we must receive the work of Christ and be born again. Eph. 2:5,9+10 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (made alive) us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved.) 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship ... Satan does not want you to know the liberty that is yours. Satan does not want you to walk in the freedom Jesus paid a great price to give you. I encourage you to - Ga 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Do not let the enemy drag you back into a bondage that Jesus has freed you from. Do not do what the Galations did - Ga 3:1 - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 - This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Ga 1:6 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the GRACE OF CHRIST unto another gospel: Remember friend that - Joh 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Do not allow the enemy to condemn you and bring fear to your heart because you have accepted the work of Christ and are willing to live in the New Covenant He has given you. Instead go ahead and - Jas 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And rest assured that - 1Jo 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Jesus did the work - Eph 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making PEACE; 2Co 3:13 - And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is ABOLISHED: What did Moses was this that was abolished? The old Law of Moses! which Jesus abolished in His flesh. That law served a purpose at one time. Gal. 3:23+24 But before FAITH CAME, we were kept under the law, shut up UNTO the FAITH which should AFTERWARDS be revealed. 24 Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to bring us TO Christ. Now dear friend go ahead and - 5:1 -Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. And - Php 4:4 - Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. I have written a manuscript on tithing and the law called Money Changers in the Temple. You might like to read it.But I warn you it is a long study, that hopefully covers any questions you might have. If you should read it, plese start with chapter one and read them in order. :) http://www.moneychangersinthetemple.blog...
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, jared <jbb...@gmail.com> wrote: > New Member Wrote: > My testimony is summarized in my nickname - I am too Blessed To Be Stressed > - 09 year of revelation. Back in 1990 the Lord laid on my mind that he loved > a cheerful giver and to give as the Holy Spirit leads me. That year I had no > income but gave as the spirit led and God blessed me abundantly I did not > lack for anything. However I am now battling the mindset that I am cursed > and robbing God because I do not agree with the tithing doctrine.
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________________________________ From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com> To: tithe@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood. Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but %100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. You do not need to fear a curse because of Malachi - Mal 3:11 - And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This was said to the nation of Israel, while they were still under the Law of Moses, before Jesus came and died for us, and at a time when the people were breaking His law in many ways. But Jesus destroyed the works of the enemy for us on the cross. He did the work. We have been saved from bondage to Satan by the work Jesus has already done. He defeated Satan once and for all. He is not cursed because of anything we do any more, except that we must receive the work of Christ and be born again. Eph. 2:5,9+10 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (made alive) us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved.) 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship ... Satan does not want you to know the liberty that is yours. Satan does not want you to walk in the freedom Jesus paid a great price to give you. I encourage you to - Ga 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Do not let the enemy drag you back into a bondage that Jesus has freed you from. Do not do what the Galations did - Ga 3:1 - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 - This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Ga 1:6 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the GRACE OF CHRIST unto another gospel: Remember friend that - Joh 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Do not allow the enemy to condemn you and bring fear to your heart because you have accepted the work of Christ and are willing to live in the New Covenant He has given you. Instead go ahead and - Jas 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And rest assured that - 1Jo 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Jesus did the work - Eph 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making PEACE; 2Co 3:13 - And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is ABOLISHED: What did Moses was this that was abolished? The old Law of Moses! which Jesus abolished in His flesh. That law served a purpose at one time. Gal. 3:23+24 But before FAITH CAME, we were kept under the law, shut up UNTO the FAITH which should AFTERWARDS be revealed. 24 Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to bring us TO Christ. Now dear friend go ahead and - 5:1 -Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. And - Php 4:4 - Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. I have written a manuscript on tithing and the law called Money Changers in the Temple. You might like to read it.But I warn you it is a long study, that hopefully covers any questions you might have. If you should read it, plese start with chapter one and read them in order. :) http://www.moneychangersinthetemple.blog...
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, jared <jbb...@gmail.com> wrote: > New Member Wrote: > My testimony is summarized in my nickname - I am too Blessed To Be Stressed > - 09 year of revelation. Back in 1990 the Lord laid on my mind that he loved > a cheerful giver and to give as the Holy Spirit leads me. That year I had no > income but gave as the spirit led and God blessed me abundantly I did not > lack for anything. However I am now battling the mindset that I am cursed > and robbing God because I do not agree with the tithing doctrine.
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Vince, if you feel like you should tithe, then do so. There is nothing in the Bible that says you cannot give %10 of your income. There is nothing in the scriptures that directs you to do so either. I cannot tell you that the Bible requires something of you when it does not. I see that you are troubled. Leaving one mindset that you have had for a long time is not always easy and the enemy certainly does not want it to be easy. In 2 Cor. chapter three, the Jewish believers in Paul's day had their difficulty as well. Paul told them in verse 6 that God had made him (and others) "able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." Satan does not want anyone to learn to walk in the spirit where there is life, rather than in the old letter of the law. Speaking of the law, ( and tithing was an integral part of the old law) he told the Galations this - 5:4 - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Grace is, according to the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, - charis; graciousness ...(abstr. or concr,; lit. or fig. or spiritual: especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): ... When you leave a mindset of following the letter of the law, you then need to walk in grace. To be 'in' Christ is to be in a place where your life is led and guided by the Holy Spirit. You cannot simply look at a list and check off each deed as you do it, but you are at the mercy of the Lord. Gal. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. Vince you must have faith that God will lead you into all truth and teach you how to walk in the Spirit and live by grace. By grace, not the law, are we saved. This is a very safe place to be, though it may not feel so at first . Concerning the law, the apostle states the dilemma in Gal. 5:7-9 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8. This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. As far as a little leaven leavening the whole lump, this is said in another place speaking of sin. But here the writer is speaking of the law. If you try to live by a small part of the law, it is going to spread and effect your whole mindset. Again, back in 2 Cor. 3 Paul called the Mosaic law the ministration of death and the ministration of condemnation. And he lets the people know that if the law (ministration of condemnation) had glory or we might say it was glorious, the ministration of righteuosness exceeds in glory to the point that in comparison the law had no glory at all. The glory of the ministration of righteuosness exceeds it in glory so much that it has no glory at all. (2Cor.3:7-11) This might sound confusing, but it comes down to this. 1Ti 1:9 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, ... The law is for those who do not walk in the Spirit and are not ruled by righteousness. I feel, from what you say that you do not have confidence that you will walk according to the heart of God if you do not tithe. It sounds as though you feel condemnation. That in fact you feel you have made some poor choices with your money since not tithing. Vince if you chose to pay for drum lessons for your son and you find he is being taught things you do not approve of, as a father you can stop those lessons and find him another teacher or wait and let him learn on his own. This has nothing to do with whether or not tithing is taught or required by God. You lack confidence in the decisions you make. Let me share with you what happens when a person attempts to be justified by keeping a part of the law. 2 Cor. 3:13-18 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: (note: what was abolished and is referred to here is the law) 14 But their minds were blinded: for until THIS DAY remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. Vince the people of Israel had a veil over their minds and here we are told that this same veil remains over the minds of those reading the old testament. This veil is only done away with 'in' Christ. Ii believe this means reading it to live by it. The main teaching for tithing that has been used over the years from many pulpits is Malachi chapter 3, an old testament writing that was to the people of Israel while they were under the law. It is here in this old testament scripture that a curse and robbing God is mentioned. But in reading the old testament, we are told in 2 Cor., there is a veil that remains and this veil blinds the mind. Verse 15 - But even unto THIS DAY, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it (the heart) shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD. If you are going to walk away from tithing, you need to walk away from the mindset of the law and allow the Lord to renew your mind. If you are going to question whether or not you are being cursed according to the old testament and whether or not the Lord will truly lead you by His Spirit, you may have stopped doing the one thing but not really given up that part of the law, in your heart. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. You cannot see God's will clearly with a veil over your mind and heart. If, however you will turn your heart to the Lord and His word, given in the New Covenant and will, through the Spirit, wait for the hope of righteousness, by faith, you can come to know a liberty and peace you have never yet experienced. You are in need of being - Ro 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. You may have made some mistakes in your choices, I do not know. But If you will turn your mind away from that subject and focus it on Jesus Himself, His heart and His will, and will hope to see His righteousness fulfilled in your life, there are better things to come. The 'hope' spoken of in the Bible is - elpis; (to anticipate, usually with pleasure); expetaion (abstr. or concr.) or confidence: - faith. WOW! This 'hope' is not some game of chance or possibility! It includes faith. It is the thing you KNOW is coming and you anticipate it. you look for it and expect it. God wants to take you to a better place in Him, Vince, but you will not get there by going back to old ways or being guided by a law that Jesus died and abolished. Ro 8:24 - For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Ro 8:25 -But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.Ro 5:2 -By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Ro 5:4 -And patience, experience; and experience, hope: Ro 5:5 -And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:01 AM, David James <sandd...@yahoo.com> wrote: > That couldn't be clearer Sis Brown. Thank you.
> ________________________________ > From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com> > To: tithe@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
> Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring > in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have > something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was > set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood. > Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of > the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and > revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being > changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is > so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again > and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But > ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a > peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath > called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in > the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And > he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is > shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw > that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be > fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an > end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that > ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be > FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught > even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a > part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something > different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore, > brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living > sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable > service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but > %100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me > to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He > tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man > according as he purposeth in
-----Original Message----- From: David James Sent: 23/04/2012, 11:17 To: tithe@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
When a Christian fully understands the commands, purpose and mission of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit will direct him as to who, when, what, how and where to give if that Christian desires to do so.
________________________________ From: "vi...@lavello.net" <vi...@lavello.net> To: tithe@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
That's about as good an answer as you get - but following through on that is a beast. The early church did 100% Acts 4:34-35 but I don't and perhaps missionaries do but not the Church. Actually under the influence of this group I quit tithing and over time directing contributions wherever it pleased me to feel led, what happened over time is I took jurisdiction of "my" money to this day I contribute nothing at all and envy the past where at least I tithed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com> Sender: tithe@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:26:42 To: <tithe@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: tithe@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood. Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. If I am His %100, then so is all that I have. Not %10 but %100 and in order to give the way He wants me to and when He wants me to, it would behoove me to walk in the Spirit and let Him guide me. He tells us in the New Testament, how to give 2Co 9:7 - Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. You do not need to fear a curse because of Malachi - Mal 3:11 - And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This was said to the nation of Israel, while they were still under the Law of Moses, before Jesus came and died for us, and at a time when the people were breaking His law in many ways. But Jesus destroyed the works of the enemy for us on the cross. He did the work. We have been saved from bondage to Satan by the work Jesus has already done. He defeated Satan once and for all. He is not cursed because of anything we do any more, except that we must receive the work of Christ and be born again. Eph. 2:5,9+10 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened (made alive) us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved.) 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship ... Satan does not want you to know the liberty that is yours. Satan does not want you to walk in the freedom Jesus paid a great price to give you. I encourage you to - Ga 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Do not let the enemy drag you back into a bondage that Jesus has freed you from. Do not do what the Galations did - Ga 3:1 - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 - This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Ga 1:6 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the GRACE OF CHRIST unto another gospel: Remember friend that - Joh 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Do not allow the enemy to condemn you and bring fear to your heart because you have accepted the work of Christ and are willing to live in the New Covenant He has given you. Instead go ahead and - Jas 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And rest assured that - 1Jo 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Jesus did the work - Eph 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making PEACE; 2Co 3:13 - And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is ABOLISHED: What did Moses was this that was abolished? The old Law of Moses! which Jesus abolished in His flesh. That law served a purpose at one time. Gal. 3:23+24 But before FAITH CAME, we were kept under the law, shut up UNTO the FAITH which should AFTERWARDS be revealed. 24 Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to bring us TO Christ. Now dear friend go ahead and - 5:1 -Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. And - Php 4:4 - Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. I have written a manuscript on tithing and the law called Money Changers in the Temple. You might like to read it.But I warn you it is a long study, that hopefully covers any questions you might have. If you should read it, plese start with chapter one and read them in order. :) http://www.moneychangersinthetemple.blog...
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, jared <jbb...@gmail.com> wrote: > New Member Wrote: > My testimony is summarized in my nickname - I am too Blessed To Be Stressed > - 09 year of revelation. Back in 1990 the Lord laid on my mind that he loved > a cheerful giver and to give as the Holy Spirit leads me. That year I had no > income but gave as the spirit led and God blessed me abundantly I did not > lack for anything. However I am now battling the mindset that I am cursed > and robbing God because I do not agree with the tithing doctrine.
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Vince, if you feel like you should tithe, then do so. There is nothing > in the Bible that says you cannot give %10 of your income. There is > nothing in the scriptures that directs you to do so either. I cannot > tell you that the Bible requires something of you when it does not. I > see that you are troubled. Leaving one mindset that you have had for a > long time is not always easy and the enemy certainly does not want it > to be easy. In 2 Cor. chapter three, the Jewish believers in Paul's > day had their difficulty as well. Paul told them in verse 6 that God > had made him (and others) "able ministers of the new testament; not of > the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit > giveth life." Satan does not want anyone to learn to walk in the > spirit where there is life, rather than in the old letter of the law. > Speaking of the law, ( and tithing was an integral part of the old > law) he told the Galations this - 5:4 - Christ is become of no effect > unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen > from grace. Grace is, according to the Strong's Exhaustive > Concordance, - charis; graciousness ...(abstr. or concr,; lit. or fig. > or spiritual: especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its > reflection in the life; including gratitude): ... When you leave a > mindset of following the letter of the law, you then need to walk in > grace. To be 'in' Christ is to be in a place where your life is led > and guided by the Holy Spirit. You cannot simply look at a list and > check off each deed as you do it, but you are at the mercy of the > Lord. Gal. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of > righteousness by faith. Vince you must have faith that God will lead > you into all truth and teach you how to walk in the Spirit and live by > grace. By grace, not the law, are we saved. This is a very safe place > to be, though it may not feel so at first . Concerning the law, the > apostle states the dilemma in Gal. 5:7-9 Ye did run well; who did > hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8. This persuasion > cometh not of him that calleth you. 9. A little leaven leaveneth the > whole lump. As far as a little leaven leavening the whole lump, > this is said in another place speaking of sin. But here the writer is > speaking of the law. If you try to live by a small part of the law, it > is going to spread and effect your whole mindset. Again, back in 2 > Cor. 3 Paul called the Mosaic law the ministration of death and the > ministration of condemnation. And he lets the people know that if the > law (ministration of condemnation) had glory or we might say it was > glorious, the ministration of righteuosness exceeds in glory to the > point that in comparison the law had no glory at all. The glory of the > ministration of righteuosness exceeds it in glory so much that it has > no glory at all. (2Cor.3:7-11) This might sound confusing, but it > comes down to this. 1Ti 1:9 - Knowing this, that the law is not made > for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the > ungodly and for sinners, ... The law is for those who do not walk in > the Spirit and are not ruled by righteousness. I feel, from what you > say that you do not have confidence that you will walk according to > the heart of God if you do not tithe. It sounds as though you feel > condemnation. That in fact you feel you have made some poor choices > with your money since not tithing. Vince if you chose to pay for drum > lessons for your son and you find he is being taught things you do not > approve of, as a father you can stop those lessons and find him > another teacher or wait and let him learn on his own. This has nothing > to do with whether or not tithing is taught or required by God. You > lack confidence in the decisions you make. Let me share with you what > happens when a person attempts to be justified by keeping a part of > the law. 2 Cor. 3:13-18 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his > face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the > end of that which is abolished: (note: what was abolished and is > referred to here is the law) 14 But their minds were blinded: for > until THIS DAY remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of > the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. Vince the > people of Israel had a veil over their minds and here we are told that > this same veil remains over the minds of those reading the old > testament. This veil is only done away with 'in' Christ. Ii believe > this means reading it to live by it. The main teaching for tithing > that has been used over the years from many pulpits is Malachi chapter > 3, an old testament writing that was to the people of Israel while > they were under the law. It is here in this old testament scripture > that a curse and robbing God is mentioned. But in reading the old > testament, we are told in 2 Cor., there is a veil that remains and > this veil blinds the mind. Verse 15 - But even unto THIS DAY, when > Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it > (the heart) shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. 17 > Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, > there is liberty. 18. But we all, with open face beholding as in a > glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from > glory to glory, even as BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD. If you are going > to walk away from tithing, you need to walk away from the mindset of > the law and allow the Lord to renew your mind. If you are going to > question whether or not you are being cursed according to the old > testament and whether or not the Lord will truly lead you by His > Spirit, you may have stopped doing the one thing but not really given > up that part of the law, in your heart. A little leaven leavens the > whole lump. You cannot see God's will clearly with a veil over your > mind and heart. If, however you will turn your heart to the Lord and > His word, given in the New Covenant and will, through the Spirit, wait > for the hope of righteousness, by faith, you can come to know a > liberty and peace you have never yet experienced. You are in need of > being - Ro 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye > transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is > that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. You may have > made some mistakes in your choices, I do not know. But If you will > turn your mind away from that subject and focus it on Jesus Himself, > His heart and His will, and will hope to see His righteousness > fulfilled in your life, there are better things to come. The 'hope' > spoken of in the Bible is - elpis; (to anticipate, usually with > pleasure); expetaion (abstr. or concr.) or confidence: - faith. WOW! > This 'hope' is not some game of chance or possibility! It includes > faith. It is the thing you KNOW is coming and you anticipate it. you > look for it and expect it. God wants to take you to a better place in > Him, Vince, but you will not get there by going back to old ways or > being guided by a law that Jesus died and abolished. > Ro 8:24 - For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: > for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? > Ro 8:25 -But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience > wait for it.Ro 5:2 -By whom also we have access by faith into this > grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. > Ro 5:4 -And patience, experience; and experience, hope: > Ro 5:5 -And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed > abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:01 AM, David James <sandd...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> That couldn't be clearer Sis Brown. Thank you.
>> ________________________________ >> From: Rebecca Brown <sewonsewfo...@gmail.com> >> To: tithe@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Tithing & Stewardship Group] New Member
>> Dear friend if Jesus did not die, fulfill the Law of Moses and bring >> in a new and better covenant with better promises, then you have >> something to worry about. But He did do all this and more. Tithing was >> set up in the old Testament, to provide for the Levitical priesthood. >> Of the 12 tribes of Israel one tribe, the Levites, received tithes of >> the other eleven. But we have been told something very interesting and >> revealing in the New Testament. Heb 7:12 -For the priesthood being >> changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This is >> so revealing. The priesthood has been changed! All who are born again >> and now a part of the body of Christ are His priesthood! 1Pe 2:9 -But >> ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a >> peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath >> called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Now we are in >> the New Testament which Jesus shed His blood to give us. Mr 14:24 And >> he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is >> shed for many. We entered into this New Testament after Jesus saw >> that ALL things had been accomplished that the scriptures might be >> fulfilled; when He had accomplished everything to bring the old to an >> end and usher in the New. John 19:28 - After this, Jesus knowing that >> ALL THINGS were now ACCOMPLISHED, that the scripture might be >> FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. After He died tithing was not taught >> even one time by any of the writers of the New Testament. It was not a >> part of the New Covenant or the new priesthood. He requires something >> different and even harder to give. Ro 12:1 -I beseech you therefore, >> brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your
